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With new general manager Brian Gaine having completed his first draft, Texans are making some changes to scouting dept, let go of director of college scouting Jon Carr, assistant director of college scouting Mike Martin and college scout Seth Turner, according to league sources

12:10 PM - Apr 29, 2018


Texans also dismissed assistant general manager Jimmy Raye and college scouting coordinator Matt Jansen

12:23 PM - Apr 29, 2018

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/990646046375268353

The Texans also let go of scouting intern Rory Pommerening

12:36 PM - Apr 29, 2018
 
zshawn10 said:
With new general manager Brian Gaine having completed his first draft, Texans are making some changes to scouting dept, let go of director of college scouting Jon Carr, assistant director of college scouting Mike Martin and college scout Seth Turner, according to league sources

12:10 PM - Apr 29, 2018


Texans also dismissed assistant general manager Jimmy Raye and college scouting coordinator Matt Jansen

12:23 PM - Apr 29, 2018


The Texans also let go of scouting intern Rory Pommerening

12:36 PM - Apr 29, 2018
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zshawn10 said:
With new general manager Brian Gaine having completed his first draft, Texans are making some changes to scouting dept, let go of director of college scouting Jon Carr, assistant director of college scouting Mike Martin and college scout Seth Turner, according to league sources

12:10 PM - Apr 29, 2018


Texans also dismissed assistant general manager Jimmy Raye and college scouting coordinator Matt Jansen

12:23 PM - Apr 29, 2018


The Texans also let go of scouting intern Rory Pommerening

12:36 PM - Apr 29, 2018
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The only person on the list of FO firings I disagree with dismissing is Mike Martin.
 
zshawn10 said:
With new general manager Brian Gaine having completed his first draft, Texans are making some changes to scouting dept, let go of director of college scouting Jon Carr, assistant director of college scouting Mike Martin and college scout Seth Turner, according to league sources

12:10 PM - Apr 29, 2018


Texans also dismissed assistant general manager Jimmy Raye and college scouting coordinator Matt Jansen

12:23 PM - Apr 29, 2018


The Texans also let go of scouting intern Rory Pommerening

12:36 PM - Apr 29, 2018
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Assistant gm Raye just got rolled like Ned Stark.

 
zshawn10 said:
With new general manager Brian Gaine having completed his first draft, Texans are making some changes to scouting dept, let go of director of college scouting Jon Carr, assistant director of college scouting Mike Martin and college scout Seth Turner, according to league sources

12:10 PM - Apr 29, 2018


Texans also dismissed assistant general manager Jimmy Raye and college scouting coordinator Matt Jansen

12:23 PM - Apr 29, 2018


The Texans also let go of scouting intern Rory Pommerening

12:36 PM - Apr 29, 2018
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The old Smith regime is being shown the door. No doubt who was making draft decisions. From everything I have been told recently, all the past organizational "leaks/rumors" that supposedly came from O'Brien's camp, were in actuality routinely coming from Smith and his cronie underlings. This became more and more clear unbearably irritating in the past few months to those in charge.........all leading to the changes we have seen since the end of the season. Without relatively close alignment between the GM and the HC, resultant undermining is inevitable........and never a formula for a successful franchise.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The old Smith regime is being shown the door. No doubt who was making draft decisions. From everything I have been told recently, all the past organizational "leaks/rumors" that supposedly came from O'Brien's camp, were in actuality routinely coming from Smith and his cronie underlings. This became more and more clear unbearably irritating in the past few months to those in charge.........all leading to the changes we have seen since the end of the season. Without relatively close alignment between the GM and the HC, resultant undermining is inevitable........and never a formula for a successful franchise.
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Was there an instance in this draft when a prospect we were gaga for was scooped up just before our pick? Was there a trade just before us to get him? I didn't see it this year for the first time in a long time.

Is the mole gone?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The old Smith regime is being shown the door. No doubt who was making draft decisions. From everything I have been told recently, all the past organizational "leaks/rumors" that supposedly came from O'Brien's camp, were in actuality routinely coming from Smith and his cronie underlings. This became more and more clear unbearably irritating in the past few months to those in charge.........all leading to the changes we have seen since the end of the season. Without relatively close alignment between the GM and the HC, resultant undermining is inevitable........and never a formula for a successful franchise.
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Most of the leaks painted Rick in a bad light (he wanted to start savage over watson, he wanted osweiler, he didn't want to cut mallet, etc) so I'm not sure about that theory
 
This draft has somewhat reinvigorated my excitement for the team.

I thought this was a well balanced draft. Solid picks, high upside picks, special team picks, value picks, project picks...And also position wise I thought we did a good job of balancing offense and defensive and special teams help.

So far I like what Gaine is doing.
 
TheKDog said:
Most of the leaks painted Rick in a bad light (he wanted to start savage over watson, he wanted osweiler, he didn't want to cut mallet, etc) so I'm not sure about that theory
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Agree 100%. Now that Smith is gone, it's very easy to minimize O'Brien's role in the nonsense that has gone on over the past 4 years. I'm not buying it. If Smith and his cronies were leaking, I can guarantee you, O'Brien, his cronies and even his agent was doing the same.
 
Well, now all we gotta do is wait and see what the Texans are truly like withOUT Rick Smith. I'm not a real big OB fan, but maybe he'll do better without Rick Smith hanging about. Maybe he and Gaine are a good pair. Maybe Maybe Maybe.

I hope all this stuff that's happened turns around the Texans and they become something special. It'd be a nice change from the crap we've been getting.
 
powda said:
I was referring to this teams draft history not this crop. Are you arguing we have a good track record on mid round picks?

If you include Watson in this year it's not bad. I don't hate Akins. I hate him in the 3rd round.
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I'm only talking about the 2018 draft.
I don't really care what the talking heads say about where 'they think' a guy should fall. Any resemblance between "their big boards" and the draft boards of actual NFL teams is, IMO, purely accidental.
 
I don't know if I saying anything unique, but I wanted this recorded so that I could come back to it. Thus far in terms of player acquisition Gaine has shown a definite plan of the types of players that he desires..the priorities as I see them

1) Height, weight, speed combo even over pure production
2)personal Familiarity in terms of character
3) multiple position flex, especially with an ability to play on 4th downs

My negative is that in a league where trades have become much more of a norm, the Texans made none thus far in the initial free agency and did the now rare no trades during the draft. I hope that this abnormal.

More generally, the moves signal a coach/GM combo this is comfortable that they are going to be able to construct a roster with a clear joint vision. This meant less radical needed filling moves versus roster building moves.
 
ObsiWan said:
I'm only talking about the 2018 draft.
I don't really care what the talking heads say about where 'they think' a guy should fall. Any resemblance between "their big boards" and the draft boards of actual NFL teams is, IMO, purely accidental.
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I will post this here instead of the draft thread. I love the Akin pick. Not because I know or like the player, but it is good evidence that Gaine is working off a Texans specific draft board that is tailored to the vision of the current coach and GM. Even if this pick (or any) fails, I want the Texans winning or losing based on the clear vision of BOB/Gaine so that THEY can be JOINTLY responsible for what's on the field.

and yes, the actual event called the draft is not wrong about a specific player's real value versus the guessed at value. the speculation from media sources and even the most serious draftnik is just that projection and speculation.
 
TheKDog said:
Most of the leaks painted Rick in a bad light (he wanted to start savage over watson, he wanted osweiler, he didn't want to cut mallet, etc) so I'm not sure about that theory
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You don't remember all the leaks that were being blamed on O'Brien with the explanation that he was trying to get fired because he wanted out of Houston? O'Brien never wanted out.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
You don't remember all the leaks that were being blamed on O'Brien with the explanation that he was trying to get fired because he wanted out of Houston? O'Brien never wanted out.
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I remember leaks that O'Brien wanted to leave and that he would have multiple offers from other teams. And that he would be the #1 coach on the market.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
You don't remember all the leaks that were being blamed on O'Brien with the explanation that he was trying to get fired because he wanted out of Houston? O'Brien never wanted out.
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The only person I recall beating that drum was steelb and he was going by a tweet from Jay Glazer.
 
Remember there was supposed to be a showdown between Rick Smith and O'Brien in front of McNair after the season?
 
TheKDog said:
Remember there was supposed to be a showdown between Rick Smith and O'Brien in front of McNair after the season?
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I remember the rumors going around saying this, then Rick Smith just decided it was time to take his leave. I’m sure his wife (not knocking her, and may god bless her) was battling cancer before this went down, and made a break for it to avoid that awkward situation. I guess O’Brien had a really good case because we know Rick Smith was probably the safest guy in the building went it came to employment.
 
ObsiWan said:
The only person I recall beating that drum was steelb and he was going by a tweet from Jay Glazer.
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Glazer is one of the best at what he does.

I haven't seen him just throw crap out there, but if you can find instances where he has I would like to see them.

As for BOB, It's pretty clear Ricky/BOB couldn't work together, one of them had to go. I was actually in favor of both of them going and starting all over again. # Fresh Start
 
steelbtexan said:
Glazer is one of the best at what he does.

I haven't seen him just throw crap out there, but if you can find instances where he has I would like to see them.

As for BOB, It's pretty clear Ricky/BOB couldn't work together, one of them had to go. I was actually in favor of both of them going and starting all over again. # Fresh Start
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A common theme around here since I've been on the board is that McNair was mired in mediocrity because of loyalty to RSmith (The Godfather). Don't know exactly where you stood on that, but do you (or any others who may have felt that way) give McNair any credit for picking BOB over RSmith? Seems like that mantra didn't hold up.
 
Mangler said:
I remember the rumors going around saying this, then Rick Smith just decided it was time to take his leave. I’m sure his wife (not knocking her, and may god bless her) was battling cancer before this went down, and made a break for it to avoid that awkward situation. I guess O’Brien had a really good case because we know Rick Smith was probably the safest guy in the building went it came to employment.
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I always thought the showdown was completely fabricated because Rick was planning a leave all along, but you may be right there
 
Max said:
A common theme around here since I've been on the board is that McNair was mired in mediocrity because of loyalty to RSmith (The Godfather). Don't know exactly where you stood on that, but do you (or any others who may have felt that way) give McNair any credit for picking BOB over RSmith? Seems like that mantra didn't hold up.
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I cant give McNair any credit because he should've fired Ricky when he fired Kubiak. Same as McNair should've fired BOB when he fired Ricky.

Only difference is this time atleast BOB/Gaine are on the same page, just like Ricky/Kubiak were.
 
Neil Stratton@InsideTheLeague
https://twitter.com/InsideTheLeague/status/991343719537369089

#Cardinals scout John Ritcher is heading to the #Texans, where he'll take over the southeast region as an area scout. Also hearing that #Patriots national scout James Liipfert is Houston-bound as college director.

10:48 AM - May 1, 2018

Neil Stratton@InsideTheLeague
https://twitter.com/InsideTheLeague/status/991344427758178305

Also considerable buzz that #Jets college director Matt Bazirgan is headed to Houston for a senior position, perhaps replacing former Asst GM Jimmy Raye III.

10:51 AM - May 1, 2018 · Houston, TX
 
steelbtexan said:
I cant give McNair any credit because he should've fired Ricky when he fired Kubiak. Same as McNair should've fired BOB when he fired Ricky.

Only difference is this time atleast BOB/Gaine are on the same page, just like Ricky/Kubiak were.
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I agree with keeping BOB. He has his negatives, but he has shown enough over the last four years to see what he can accomplish with a GM who is on the same page - especially considering what he was able to accomplish offensively with Watson. Watson is really something special, but you have to give some of the credit for what he accomplished to BOB.
 
zshawn10 said:
Neil Stratton@InsideTheLeague

#Cardinals scout John Ritcher is heading to the #Texans, where he'll take over the southeast region as an area scout. Also hearing that #Patriots national scout James Liipfert is Houston-bound as college director.

10:48 AM - May 1, 2018

Neil Stratton@InsideTheLeague

Also considerable buzz that #Jets college director Matt Bazirgan is headed to Houston for a senior position, perhaps replacing former Asst GM Jimmy Raye III.

10:51 AM - May 1, 2018 · Houston, TX
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Those are some damn good moves! Nice...
 
zshawn10 said:
Neil Stratton@InsideTheLeague

#Cardinals scout John Ritcher is heading to the #Texans, where he'll take over the southeast region as an area scout. Also hearing that #Patriots national scout James Liipfert is Houston-bound as college director.

10:48 AM - May 1, 2018

Neil Stratton@InsideTheLeague

Also considerable buzz that #Jets college director Matt Bazirgan is headed to Houston for a senior position, perhaps replacing former Asst GM Jimmy Raye III.

10:51 AM - May 1, 2018 · Houston, TX
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Change is in the air.
 
steelbtexan said:
Change is in the air.
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What it has been like the last couple of years...
 
Aaron Wilson reporting that the Texans are hiring New York Jets director of college scouting Matt Bazirgan for a high-level job in their personnel department.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Aaron Wilson reporting that the Texans are hiring New York Jets director of college scouting Matt Bazirgan for a high-level job in their personnel department.
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Honest question, is this a good move? Haven’t heard anything about the guy. I hope it’s not just another loser like Jimmy Raye.
 
Mangler said:
Honest question, is this a good move? Haven’t heard anything about the guy. I hope it’s not just another loser like Jimmy Raye.
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Looks like he's had the full endorsement of Maccagnan while with the Jets. Background from a Jun 2017 article.:

According to a report by the NYDN, the New York Jets will stay in house in naming their own Matt Bazirgan as their new College Scouting Director.

Rex Hogan who previously held the position left the Jets last month to join the Indianapolis Colts in a front office position under new GM Chris Ballard. Hogan had only been with the Jets since 2015, being hired by Mike Maccagnan to fill the role as senior college scouting director.

Instead of looking at external candidates the Jets have decided to stay in-house, selecting longtime scout Matt Bazirgan to fill the role. Matt has been with the Jets since 2004 where he was an area scout. John Idzik promoted him to assistant pro-personnel director in 2013. Mike Maccagnan then removed the assistant part of his job title two years ago, and it seems he's impressed Maccagnan enough to warrant a new promotion.

It's always good to see someone climb the ranks. It's important to remember that with Mike Maccagnan's extensive history in scouting, he still has a lot of responsibility in this area.
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