Cooks is coming off his worst season as a pro and hasn't played a down for the Texans. Let's cool the guaranteed $$$$ talk until after it's warranted.Yep, but the guaranteed $$$$ has run out, so he can be re-signed on a cheaper deal with
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Cooks is coming off his worst season as a pro and hasn't played a down for the Texans. Let's cool the guaranteed $$$$ talk until after it's warranted.Yep, but the guaranteed $$$$ has run out, so he can be re-signed on a cheaper deal with
Not the point I'm trying to make.Cooks is coming off his worst season as a pro and hasn't played a down for the Texans. Let's cool the guaranteed $$$$ talk until after it's warranted.
I’d prefer more guaranteed money talk please.Cooks is coming off his worst season as a pro and hasn't played a down for the Texans. Let's cool the guaranteed $$$$ talk until after it's warranted.
LMAOI’d prefer more guaranteed money talk please.
Steel's point seems to be correct and on target, pointing out Cook may be cut or renegotiated to Texans benefit. He was not suggesting increasing GTD $ in future. I think you mis-read or mis-understood. This is exactly type info we should be posting.Cooks is coming off his worst season as a pro and hasn't played a down for the Texans. Let's cool the guaranteed $$$$ talk until after it's warranted.
He was not suggesting increasing GTD $ in future. I think you mis-read or mis-understood.
Have I entered the twilight zone? Where more guaranteed money does not mean increasing guaranteed money?Yep, but the guaranteed $$$$ has run out, so he can be re-signed on a cheaper deal with more guaranteed $$$$.
I'm talking about renegotiating his contract after this season. After you get an idea if Cooks can stay healthy. It's not a matter of health with Cooks. What do you think a new contract would look like if Cooks stays healthy and is productive? The point is the Texans will be in good cap shape after this yr, whether they keep DJ and Cooks or they let them walk because there are avenues to lower or cut them for cap savings if they dont produce.Have I entered the twilight zone? Where more guaranteed money does not mean increasing guaranteed money?
Next, you'll tell me left is right. Up is down.
Lol got em coachHave I entered the twilight zone? Where more guaranteed money does not mean increasing guaranteed money?
Next, you'll tell me left is right. Up is down.
youHave I entered the twilight zone? Where more guaranteed money does not mean increasing guaranteed money?
Next, you'll tell me left is right. Up is down.
I meant and I think Steel meant the future of his current deal has no guaranteed money. Steel also said that he hoped that Cook would have the kind of a season that would lead to a future contract with GTD $. Irregardless, several of us on the MB want to discuss this sort of things . Of course you do not have to.Have I entered the twilight zone? Where more guaranteed money does not mean increasing guaranteed money?
Next, you'll tell me left is right. Up is down.
I know I held my breath there for a second.I didn’t realize how small he is.
Dude took a whack to the head though, no concussion.
Cooks has nothing to worry about, concerning a trade. No team is trading for his over priced contract (3 years @ $39 million). The question is, will Cooks be willing to take a pay cut to stay in Houston? That's what I expect the next regime to find out.Cooks refuses to be traded again.
DW4 doesn't need anybodyCooks needs Watson for his next contract
Watson doesn't need cooks
DW4 doesn't need anybody
He's the Houston Watson's
What opinion? That he's good but not elite?Pretty much the only worthwhile thing this season was watching Watson mature. Have you matured past your initial opinion yet?
Deshaun Watson doesn't need Houston, they're still the Houston Shites.....even with Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes, etc.....they're still the shiteiest overall organization in the NFL. Gotta fix the organization and team before you try to isolate a single player's issues.DW4 doesn't need anybody
He's the Houston Watson's
Besides taking on Johnson's contract in that trade, on the surface it isn't as horrible as perceived looking back.
The value is terrible. Cooks had nothing to do with the return value for HopkinsBesides taking on Johnson's contract in that trade, on the surface it isn't as horrible as perceived looking back.
lotta good that did for AZ.....Midgets needs to be on greatest show on turf offense......... Hop and days of winning tough catches are gone
based on what AZ did and Nuk’s numbers this year vs Cooks.....& DW4 responding by having his best season yet.....The best season a QB has ever had in franchise history, I think it’s pretty clear Nuk’s value was overestimated...especially on this website.The value is terrible. Cooks had nothing to do with the return value for Hopkins
My thoughts exactly. I love Nuke, but he is replaceable....as Cooks proved this season.based on what AZ did and Nuk’s numbers this year vs Cooks.....& DW4 responding by having his best season yet.....The best season a QB has ever had in franchise history, I think it’s pretty clear Nuk’s value was overestimated...especially on this website.
Cooks put up the numbers he did missing 2 games and receiving 40 less targets...
Good thing is they can easily get out from under DJ's contract this offseason with a minimal cap hit. This is the reason I didn't have an issue with DJ being in the trade.Besides taking on Johnson's contract in that trade, on the surface it isn't as horrible as perceived looking back.
Hopkin's value to the team may have been overvalued... but I don't think we overvalued a 3 time all-pro. We should have got more in return.My thoughts exactly. I love Nuke, but he is replaceable....as Cooks proved this season.
by virtue of us basing his value off his credentials from the past on our team, we ARE overvaluing him....maybe not by a lot, but we are overvaluing.Hopkin's value to the team may have been overvalued... but I don't think we overvalued a 3 time all-pro. We should have got more in return.
No, that's not my logic.using your logic, a trade of JJ Watt a former 3X DPOY and 5X all-pro should net us a boatload in return...
And having Fuller getting most of the looks during those games that Fuller was actually playing. So he was the #2 most of the year. Hopkins was/is the not debatable #1, he should get all those targets.Cooks put up the numbers he did missing 2 games and receiving 40 less targets...
Like all Bill O'Brien screwups, you have to look at the cascading effects of his buffoonery:Besides taking on Johnson's contract in that trade, on the surface it isn't as horrible as perceived looking back.
Hopkin's value to the team may have been overvalued... but I don't think we overvalued a 3 time all-pro. We should have got more in return.
Wonder if he got guaranteed $$$$$?
Best I can tell by looking @ Over the Cap there is 0 guaranteedWonder if he got guaranteed $$$$$?
Looking back at this thread is laughable.
Cooks got restructured just as predicted.
Another real bonehead decision from this new management team. Before restructuring Cooks was a $10MM cap savings if cut or TRADED, now he's $9.8MM in Dead Money. With or without Cooks Texans are bottom dwellers in 2021 and 2022. After that Cooks is free agent. Trade him with DW4 and get some high draft picks for the rebuild is the smart thing to do. Bassackward thinking here by Caserio.
eh , they have to have someone to chuck the ball too .... Cooks is as good as any for under $6m cap hit.Another real bonehead decision from this new management team. Before restructuring Cooks was a $10MM cap savings if cut or TRADED, now he's $9.8MM in Dead Money. With or without Cooks Texans are bottom dwellers in 2021 and 2022. After that Cooks is free agent. Trade him with DW4 and get some high draft picks for the rebuild is the smart thing to do. Bassackward thinking here by Caserio.
Maybe they want to keep Cooks around a couple of more yrs to be a vet receiving option for a young QB or to help teach new young WR's how to be a pro. Or if DW4 stays he obviously likes throwing to Cooks. You gotta have some vets to teach the young guys the ropes.Another real bonehead decision from this new management team. Before restructuring Cooks was a $10MM cap savings if cut or TRADED, now he's $9.8MM in Dead Money. With or without Cooks Texans are bottom dwellers in 2021 and 2022. After that Cooks is free agent. Trade him with DW4 and get some high draft picks for the rebuild is the smart thing to do. Bassackward thinking here by Caserio.
Cooks has been a 1000 yd receiver 4 of the last 5 years. Yeah he's better than most. If you could reduce cap by $10MM and get a high draft pick(s) as part of the rebuild why not do it? Cooks is going to waste away in Houston the next 2 years while Texans are cellar dwellers and then become a free agent in 2023. This year's draft class has an unusually high number of very good WRs.eh , they have to have someone to chuck the ball too .... Cooks is as good as any for under $6m cap hit.
I like this move much more than restructuring David Johnson - at least Cooks has been reasonably productive.
That's what coaches are for.Maybe they want to keep Cooks around a couple of more yrs to be a vet receiving option for a young QB or to help teach new young WR's how to be a pro. Or if DW4 stays he obviously likes throwing to Cooks. You gotta have some vets to teach the young guys the ropes.
Maybe they wanted the extra cap room for FA?That's what coaches are for.
They didn't have to do the restructure now. They could've waited until after the draft or until the DW4 situation had been settled to do the restructure.
Why? It's a take out the trash year. They could've of had twice as much cap space by trading him. No high profile FA are coming to the Houston dumpster fire and while DW4 is unsettled.Maybe they wanted the extra cap room for FA?
Is it true that Cooks has no guaranteed money left?That's what coaches are for.
They didn't have to do the restructure now. They could've waited until after the draft or until the DW4 situation had been settled to do the restructure. If they trade DW4 and Cooks they could use a late 1st or early 2nd to draft Kadarius Toney from FL. That's how you rebuild.