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Brandin Cooks to the Texans

badboy

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Cooks is coming off his worst season as a pro and hasn't played a down for the Texans. Let's cool the guaranteed $$$$ talk until after it's warranted.
Steel's point seems to be correct and on target, pointing out Cook may be cut or renegotiated to Texans benefit. He was not suggesting increasing GTD $ in future. I think you mis-read or mis-understood. This is exactly type info we should be posting.
 

Lucky

Not like this. Not like this.
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He was not suggesting increasing GTD $ in future. I think you mis-read or mis-understood.
Yep, but the guaranteed $$$$ has run out, so he can be re-signed on a cheaper deal with more guaranteed $$$$.
Have I entered the twilight zone? Where more guaranteed money does not mean increasing guaranteed money?

Next, you'll tell me left is right. Up is down.
 

steelbtexan

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Have I entered the twilight zone? Where more guaranteed money does not mean increasing guaranteed money?

Next, you'll tell me left is right. Up is down.
I'm talking about renegotiating his contract after this season. After you get an idea if Cooks can stay healthy. It's not a matter of health with Cooks. What do you think a new contract would look like if Cooks stays healthy and is productive? The point is the Texans will be in good cap shape after this yr, whether they keep DJ and Cooks or they let them walk because there are avenues to lower or cut them for cap savings if they dont produce.

The cap situation would've been worse if the had kept Nuk on his current deal while he was unhappy. Or in even worse shape if they had re-signed Nuk to a 20 mil per yr deal over 5 yrs. To me Nuk, while a really good WR isn't worth 20 mil per yr.

This has nothing to do with this yr.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Have I entered the twilight zone? Where more guaranteed money does not mean increasing guaranteed money?

Next, you'll tell me left is right. Up is down.
you
Have I entered the twilight zone? Where more guaranteed money does not mean increasing guaranteed money?

Next, you'll tell me left is right. Up is down.
I meant and I think Steel meant the future of his current deal has no guaranteed money. Steel also said that he hoped that Cook would have the kind of a season that would lead to a future contract with GTD $. Irregardless, several of us on the MB want to discuss this sort of things . Of course you do not have to.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
DW4 doesn't need anybody

He's the Houston Watson's
Deshaun Watson doesn't need Houston, they're still the Houston Shites.....even with Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes, etc.....they're still the shiteiest overall organization in the NFL. Gotta fix the organization and team before you try to isolate a single player's issues.
 
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Mr teX

Hall of Fame
The value is terrible. Cooks had nothing to do with the return value for Hopkins
based on what AZ did and Nuk’s numbers this year vs Cooks.....& DW4 responding by having his best season yet.....The best season a QB has ever had in franchise history, I think it’s pretty clear Nuk’s value was overestimated...especially on this website.

Cooks put up the numbers he did missing 2 games and receiving 40 less targets...
 

theCATALYST

Football Messiah
based on what AZ did and Nuk’s numbers this year vs Cooks.....& DW4 responding by having his best season yet.....The best season a QB has ever had in franchise history, I think it’s pretty clear Nuk’s value was overestimated...especially on this website.

Cooks put up the numbers he did missing 2 games and receiving 40 less targets...
My thoughts exactly. I love Nuke, but he is replaceable....as Cooks proved this season.
 

steelbtexan

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Besides taking on Johnson's contract in that trade, on the surface it isn't as horrible as perceived looking back.
Good thing is they can easily get out from under DJ's contract this offseason with a minimal cap hit. This is the reason I didn't have an issue with DJ being in the trade.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Hopkin's value to the team may have been overvalued... but I don't think we overvalued a 3 time all-pro. We should have got more in return.
by virtue of us basing his value off his credentials from the past on our team, we ARE overvaluing him....maybe not by a lot, but we are overvaluing.

using your logic, a trade of JJ Watt a former 3X DPOY and 5X all-pro should net us a boatload in return...and obviously we know that’s not at all an accurate representation of his value at this point in his career.......even though he also had more ints than some of our starting CB’s, and also led the team in sacks....
 

thunderkyss

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using your logic, a trade of JJ Watt a former 3X DPOY and 5X all-pro should net us a boatload in return...
No, that's not my logic.

If he just came off his 3rd DPOY season, or his 5th All-Pro season, yes. We should expect a boatload. But if we're coming off the first full season he's played in the last 4 seasons, not so much.
 
Besides taking on Johnson's contract in that trade, on the surface it isn't as horrible as perceived looking back.
Like all Bill O'Brien screwups, you have to look at the cascading effects of his buffoonery:

We traded: Hopkins, a top 7 WR the past 4 years (per PFF) who was signed for 2020, 2021, and 2022
For:
  1. One year rental of David Johnson (HIGHLY overpaid, RB whom the Cards couldn't give away). David Johnson rated #53 of 70 RBs by PFF Grade.
  2. 2nd round pick (used on Ross Blacklock, Rated #130 of 130 Interior Defenders by PFF…yes, dead last). LIKELY BUST at this point, albeit early.
  3. 2021 4th round pick (likely to be about pick #130).
That was a terrible haul for a perennial all-pro in his prime, and under contract for 3 years. It also necessitated BOB the buffoon backfilling Hopkins with two other moves:
  1. Signing Randall Cobb to a 3-year $27 million contract, with $18 million guaranteed (with all 3 years in his age 30 seasons). The contract stupidly includes a $12.5 Cap hit if we cut him this offseason...which leaves us with little flexibility to use the WR dollars on Cooks or Fuller.
  2. Trading a second round pick (used by the Rams to draft WR Van Jefferson, PFF grade of 67.1 as a rookie) for Brandin Cooks, who's had a half dozen concussions, and had a similar contract as Hopkins. Thank goodness he made it through 2020 without another concussion issue, and had a really good season. However, given his salary cap numbersfor 2021 and 2022, Cooks could still be only a rental...particularly if we make a push to re-sign Fuller. We can't afford both, given the Cobb contract.
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
I never had a problem with the Cooks trade. He's been a good, productive wr every yr except on. At 13m next season, he's a good value. Every team in college throws the ball alot, there will be wrs in the mid rounds of the draft. Coutee can play and Hanson looks like he can also. They can add a outside another outside wr from the draft or someone on the cheap like Josh Reynolds .
 


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