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Brandin Cooks to the Texans

Speedy

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Is it true that Cooks has no guaranteed money left?

If so, couldn't the Texans just cut him and use part of the $12M to sign another veteran player?

As it is, if the Texans keep Cooks for 2 years, it would be like a $25.5M 2-yr deal.

Could they find somebody better with a similar deal or somebody for less with roughly the same potential (but with less risk in case of a concussion)?
Cooks is an Easterby guy. He wasn't going anywhere.
 

thunderkyss

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Is it true that Cooks has no guaranteed money left?

If so, couldn't the Texans just cut him and use part of the $12M to sign another veteran player?

As it is, if the Texans keep Cooks for 2 years, it would be like a $25.5M 2-yr deal.

Could they find somebody better with a similar deal or somebody for less with roughly the same potential (but with less risk in case of a concussion)?
:sigh:
 

badboy

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Ian Rapoport reporting that Brandin Cooks has been restructured saving over 6 million dollars on the salary cap for 2020

Dang I missed earlier Barshop post. I read back several ..sorry. thought they were talking about trading for him.
 
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steelbtexan

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Why? It's a take out the trash year. They could've of had twice as much cap space by trading him. No high profile FA are coming to the Houston dumpster fire and while DW4 is unsettled.
They want a vet for the new QB and Wr's to learn from. It appears to they have chosen Cooks to be that guy.
 

Texian

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Is it true that Cooks has no guaranteed money left?

If so, couldn't the Texans just cut him and use part of the $12M to sign another veteran player?

As it is, if the Texans keep Cooks for 2 years, it would be like a $25.5M 2-yr deal.

Could they find somebody better with a similar deal or somebody for less with roughly the same potential (but with less risk in case of a concussion)?
True, there was no dead money attached to Cooks before his restructure. When Cooks becomes a FA in 2023 it comes with $5MM in dead money, it will ,be time to pay the piper. Another reason why it was a bonehead move. Cooks gets the same money only now he most of it upfront and they push $5MM into 2023 and 2024. The Cooks wanted to stay story came out before all of the DW4 bruhaha started.
 

76Texan

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True, there was no dead money attached to Cooks before his restructure. When Cooks becomes a FA in 2023 it comes with $5MM in dead money, it will ,be time to pay the piper. Another reason why it was a bonehead move. Cooks gets the same money only now he most of it upfront and they push $5MM into 2023 and 2024. The Cooks wanted to stay story came out before all of the DW4 bruhaha started.
What do you think Corey Davis and Curtis Samuel will go for?
 

JB

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True, there was no dead money attached to Cooks before his restructure. When Cooks becomes a FA in 2023 it comes with $5MM in dead money, it will ,be time to pay the piper. Another reason why it was a bonehead move. Cooks gets the same money only now he most of it upfront and they push $5MM into 2023 and 2024. The Cooks wanted to stay story came out before all of the DW4 bruhaha started.

If the contract is null and void, how is there any dead money?
 

steelbtexan

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When you know you're going to SUCK you've to embrace the suckage. The more you SUCK the greater you build your draft capital. That's the purpose of sucking.
They're going to suck regardless of whether Cooks is on the roster or not. I just think there needs to be guys to mentor the young guys. Apparently Caserio thinks the same way and has chosen Cooks to mentor the WR's like AJ did with DHop.
 

Texian

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They're going to suck regardless of whether Cooks is on the roster or not. I just think there needs to be guys to mentor the young guys. Apparently Caserio thinks the same way and has chosen Cooks to mentor the WR's like AJ did with DHop.
Exactly and that's why freeing up $10MM in cap space and improving draft capital substantially in a WR rich draft is the wisest most prudent thing one can do for rebuilding the team. I understand that now that you have made the decision to sleep with Nick you must defend him. I have not, therefore I err on the side what is best for improving the team. A good WR coach is what is best for teaching a rookie about the offensive game plan, especially in a rookie coach's first year.
 

steelbtexan

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Exactly and that's why freeing up $10MM in cap space and improving draft capital substantially in a WR rich draft is the wisest most prudent thing one can do for rebuilding the team. I understand that now that you have made the decision to sleep with Nick you must defend him. I have not, therefore I err on the side what is best for improving the team. A good WR coach is what is best for teaching a rookie about the offensive game plan, especially in a rookie coach's first year.
Just because I value veteran leadership doesn't mean I'm sleeping with Nick. The young guys need to learn from somebody. I'm still on the fence when it comes to Nick. For instance I didn't like the DJ re-signing although I understood why it happened. I liked his clearing of the books when it comes to Martin/WFV/Watt etc...

Let's just agree to disagree on this one and move on. Time will tell how Caserio does.
 

76Texan

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Exactly and that's why freeing up $10MM in cap space and improving draft capital substantially in a WR rich draft is the wisest most prudent thing one can do for rebuilding the team. I understand that now that you have made the decision to sleep with Nick you must defend him. I have not, therefore I err on the side what is best for improving the team. A good WR coach is what is best for teaching a rookie about the offensive game plan, especially in a rookie coach's first year.
I agree with what you said, but I think an NFL team has certain obligation to its fans.
The Texans have to show an effort to put a no. 1 receiver on their roster.
 

Decim8

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Just because I value veteran leadership doesn't mean I'm sleeping with Nick. The young guys need to learn from somebody. I'm still on the fence when it comes to Nick. For instance I didn't like the DJ re-signing although I understood why it happened. I liked his clearing of the books when it comes to Martin/WFV/Watt etc...

Let's just agree to disagree on this one and move on. Time will tell how Caserio does.
Randall Cobbs?
 

CloakNNNdagger

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I'm seeing some real downplaying of difficulty of the WR transitioning to the NFL. It takes a lot of teaching from many different sources (coaches AND vet players) in order to lessen a usually relatively long, steep and arduous learning curve. And it takes a lot of "learnin" on the part of the neophyte WR. Take away any potential "teachers" and expect that most transitioning WRs to flounder, no matter how great they appeared to be in college.

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Why is transition to NFL difficult for wide receivers? Former Eagles 1st-round pick Freddie Mitchell, others share their stories
Posted Dec 04, 2019
 

76Texan

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Why? Jags and Jets are models of teams that jettisoned many of their top players and don't have a #1 WR on their roster and yet the NFL seems just fine with it.
The Jets still had Crowder who commanded no. 1 money, albeit on the low end.
Marquise Lee was disappointing for the Jags so they drafted another WR in the second round.
They were a run-oriented team anyway. Sure, they let Founette go just before the regular season, but that was only because Robinson really came on, and they have a boat load of RBs, two of them are adapt in catching the ball.
But really, it's hard for teams to jettison players for long.
Each still has the same draft picks and they still have to spend certain amount of cap space within a time window.

Personally, I'm not all warmed and fuzzy with the restructuring either, but only because of the risk of another concussion.
And this could be an effort to pacify Watson if at all possible.
Kelly was retained as OC could be a move in the same vein, most likely.
 

Earl34

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I'm seeing some real downplaying of the difficulty of the WR transitioning to the NFL. It takes a lot of teaching from many different sources (coaches AND vet players) in order to lessen a usually relatively long, steep and arduous learning curve. And it takes a lot of "learnin" on the part of the neophyte WR. Take away any potential "teachers" and expect that most transitioning WRs to flounder, no matter how great they appeared to be in college.

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Why is transition to NFL difficult for wide receivers? Former Eagles 1st-round pick Freddie Mitchell, others share their stories
Posted Dec 04, 2019
It is difficult and we can use Coutee as an example. Like Coutee, many WRs are coming from spread systems where they are not running the complete NFL route tree. Some of them are basically running slants, flys/gos, and post patterns. They are basically beating their opponents on raw talent and scheme without attention to details on technique and route running.

Then Coutee gets to the NFL and instead of just running 3-4 basic pre defined routes, the route tree has now expanded to 12-15 routes. He now is at the LOS and has to adjust his routes based on defensive coverages. He has to pay attention to the DB and if they are shading him one way or the other. He has to be on the same page as the QB. He has to improve his route running technique and be more precise with this routes. You cannot round off your routes or run at the incorrect depth. They have to be precise. Otherwise, INTs and benchings are in their near future.

It's ironic that college QBs have become more prepared to play in the NFL while many WRs are still struggling with the mental aspect of the game. WR coaches that are good teachers are needed more now than ever. Go figure.
 

Texian

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I'm seeing some real downplaying of difficulty of the WR transitioning to the NFL. It takes a lot of teaching from many different sources (coaches AND vet players) in order to lessen a usually relatively long, steep and arduous learning curve. And it takes a lot of "learnin" on the part of the neophyte WR. Take away any potential "teachers" and expect that most transitioning WRs to flounder, no matter how great they appeared to be in college.

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Why is transition to NFL difficult for wide receivers? Former Eagles 1st-round pick Freddie Mitchell, others share their stories
Posted Dec 04, 2019
I agree with the learning curve. There are several options that IMO are more favorable than Cooks latest deal. You could hire Andre Johnson as WR coach at a much reduced non cap salary. You could sign free agent Danny Amendola for a year at half the price. Amendola spent 5 years in the Pats so he is also familiar with their offense. A Cooks trade would've freed up $10MM and brought a high draft pick. And to get those good rookie WRs you need early draft picks which you have none. Now there may be no rookie WR for Cooks to mentor. Come 2023, after 2 years in the cellar, Cooks $5MM in dead money will have a rather noxious taste.
 

steelbtexan

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You give him the same number of targets and the same caliber of QB play, Sanders may have better numbers.
In fact, when he had that, his best season was clearly better than Cooks'.
- Sanders is 7 years older than Cooks
- Sanders (141,137,136) top years for targets are greater than Cooks (129,119,117)
- Both have played with great QBs: Sanders (Big Ben, Peyton and Brees) vs Cooks (Brees and Brady)
 

76Texan

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- Sanders is 7 years older than Cooks
- Sanders (141,137,136) top years for targets are greater than Cooks (129,119,117)
- Both have played with great QBs: Sanders (Big Ben, Peyton and Brees) vs Cooks (Brees and Brady)
Dig deeper; don't just look at the surface.

At any rate, in this situation, there's a very strong case for Sanders over Cooks with the Texans.
They aren't going anywhere; might as well save some cap money.
Or they can spread it out so as not to put it all in one basket.
A couple extra mils for a better Center. A couple of mils for that speedster that ran 4.23 at the combine a few years ago (John Ross).
And they would still have a couple of mils left over for beers.n :)
 
Dig deeper; don't just look at the surface.

At any rate, in this situation, there's a very strong case for Sanders over Cooks with the Texans.
They aren't going anywhere; might as well save some cap money.
Or they can spread it out so as not to put it all in one basket.
A couple extra mils for a better Center. A couple of mils for that speedster that ran 4.23 at the combine a few years ago (John Ross).
And they would still have a couple of mils left over for beers.n :)
Yes there are always other factors but those were responses to your exact points so we won't keep digging :friends:.
 

76Texan

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Yes there are always other factors but those were responses to your exact points so we won't keep digging :friends:.
No, you need to keep digging.
Peyton Manning and Drew Brees in their respective last year is just a shell of themselves, and Osweiler was in there, too.
Why only look at Peyton's last year? Sanders' 141 targets were the season before that and Manning had a good year.
Thank you for agreeing with me. :)
 


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