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Andre Johnson Thread

SchaubApologist said:
that's not enough... rick smith HAS to go as well.
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Oh.. we're getting a complete new admin

Wade will be gone as well... as will his dumbass man coverage.


The last defensive staff we had couldn't get out of the zone and I bitched and moaned about it. This moron can't get out of man coverage despite the fact that we don't have man corners outside of Joseph and running that type of coverage isn't successful if the pass rush doesn't get there... and it's not getting there at all.

Main problem is, Wade's defense is too dam predictable. He blitzes more than any other team in the league and runs nothing but man coverage... so opposing offenses know exactly what's coming to them.. a blitz and nothing but man coverage. When you already know what to expect and know what's coming, then you have a advantage.

I hope the next D coord. that we hire can actually time his blitzes and can mix up his coverage schemes.. we need a mixture of both man and zone to throw opposing offenses off/keep them guessing which will allow us to actually be able to force turnovers.
 
Brisco_County said:
The last thing this team and fanbase needs is isolating Andre Johnson. The guy is more hungry for winning than anyone else, and he's put up with a lot of crap over the years.
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This is my desktop background until Gary Kubiak is gone.
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cstyle42 said:
As far as extending the play... Schaub's mental lapses under pressure combined with his scared thoughts of being hit or just plain failing is the worst I've ever seen. Name someone worst in that one category... don't sit up here and think I'm just posting to post and talk meaningless trash. Think about this regarding to Matt Schaub as a qb. This is his first year where his line was average to below average and nfl defenses forced him to extend plays 8 out of 10 times... now you can see plain as day what Matt Schaub is and always was. As far as Kubiak goes there needs to be no explanation.
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i have to agree with this.

when has schaub ever showed up in a big game?
 
SchaubApologist said:
i have to agree with this.

when has schaub ever showed up in a big game?
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I know I'm not hating on Matt Schaub. Simply the truth either comforts or offends. I don't even blame Schaub I blame the man that allows him to play and the one above him and the other one above him. Elite and some above average qb's are good to great in pressure moments consistently. Schaub is just not. Steve Young said during a texans vs eagles game on a monday night 3 years ago Schaub is never the reason why the Texans win and that's a issue because he is your qb. Low and behold years later he's literally losing games once the team around him gets a little weaker in certain areas. One would hope the qb could pick up some slack just as other players had been doing for him for the last 4-5 years but that's not what Schaub does... so ultimately Gary Kubiak becomes the only security blanket he has left.
 
infantrycak said:
I haven't seen people complaining about Keenum wearing his helmet standing by himself yesterday. Hmmm. Maybe neither one is sulking.

People have not Schaub's gomer pyle/droopy dog demeanor for as long as he has been here. It didn't become sulking over night or at least it shouldn't.



Well that is odd because I would have said exactly the opposite. Schaub notably stayed away the first start Keenum got. Said at the time that was the right move. He has increasingly been talking to Keenum and the QB coach, pointing at the overheads, etc. since then.



Well barring some better indication I will trust Keenum's own statements that Schaub has been very involved and helpful.
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I'm not saying that you're not right to do so but I have reached a point where I no longer can tell when a player is telling the truth or saying what's expected of him. I'm not saying Case isn't being honest. I'm just saying that I don't take that for granted anymore.

For all we know he's simply been being gracious and polite while trying to not upset the apple cart any more than his promotion already has.
 
dalemurphy said:
I have a lot of respect for AJ as a person and teammate. I have no idea where you get the idea that Matt Schaub is an attention whore, though. That is out of left field. Schaub is consistently classy and yesterday's little episode on the sideline is the exception that proves the rule. Schaub never does anything to call out another teammate... it is an example of how frustrated he is and how frustrated AJ is. For those who have played team sports before- this is not a big deal. Disagreements happen all the time in the heat of the moment.

The Texans are 2-8. There is plenty to be frustrated about and nearly any player on the team has contributed some pretty big blunders to be in this position. Plenty of blame, no doubt, and Schaub shoulders a fair amount of it. Still, he's not "the" reason for it and watching the Texans lose 4 games in a row with Keenum starting should highlight that point pretty clearly.
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leaving the field (especially at home) without shaking hands with the opposition is as classless as it gets. Schaubby definitely did that yesterday.

AJ was guilty of that yesterday as well, but I give him a pass because I believe he was trying to make a statement without having to make one.
 
infantrycak said:
I haven't seen people complaining about Keenum wearing his helmet standing by himself yesterday. Hmmm. Maybe neither one is sulking.

People have not Schaub's gomer pyle/droopy dog demeanor for as long as he has been here. It didn't become sulking over night or at least it shouldn't.

Well that is odd because I would have said exactly the opposite. Schaub notably stayed away the first start Keenum got. Said at the time that was the right move. He has increasingly been talking to Keenum and the QB coach, pointing at the overheads, etc. since then.

Well barring some better indication I will trust Keenum's own statements that Schaub has been very involved and helpful.
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Well I'll take your word for it as I was not at the game.

Perhaps just two different perceptions from two different people at the same game.

And I'm not going toe-to-toe with anyone about Schaub. His best days are well behind him and it's time to move on.

As far as Keenum's statements, I expect nothing less from the guy. He's basically a rookie QB and knows his job is not secure, does not have the confidence of his head coach, and certainly does not want to rock the boat.

Of course he's going to say all the nice things about Schaub. Acting like it means anything is just ignoring the obvious.

Hervoyel said:
I'm not saying that you're not right to do so but I have reached a point where I no longer can tell when a player is telling the truth or saying what's expected of him. I'm not saying Case isn't being honest. I'm just saying that I don't take that for granted anymore.

For all we know he's simply been being gracious and polite while trying to not upset the apple cart any more than his promotion already has.
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Speaking your mind as a player and being brutally honest when things are less than rainbows and sunshine is not the "Texans Way ®".

Which is why I am amazed that AJ did what he did, because now he's got a black mark in Gary's notebook. AJ will get a memo to report to the nearest Indoctrination Center to receive more training on how to properly convey a happy demeanor during an 8 game losing streak.
 
AJs piece on nfl.com can be read in many different ways, on the one hand it's great that he is loyal about his contract, on the other he makes a point that he could get himself gone if he wanted.

All the years of absolute ****e, constant rebuilding etc the one bright spot was aj, and he obviously feels let down for good reason.

The one thing I couldn't help but wonder though was, the media are reporting it like its some kind of major rebuilding project were heading into, I'm unsure, on O we have all the playmaking positions except QB and maybe running back sorted, RB is what like a 3rd round pick? You roll with case next year to both fix the oline, and see what you've got, no point drafting a rookie if he's going to be limited by outside factors while you are trying to develop him, while case is already thrust into that unfortunate position.

So you draft OL, and rather than giving up on the ones we already drafted, say hey, if they all work out, we can get rid of vet contracts to free up cap space.

Then you go 4-3 on D, we got 2 guys failing at olb who could be given a chance across from watt, smith and Mitchell plus a rookie at DT and were set to develop for a year, move Cush back to olb, draft ilb, sign a cheap vet at the other olb.

The secondary, draft 3rd CB, but leave it as is for now and simply have someone run a less obvious coverage scheme, and most of all trust that the pass rushing talent fits a 4-3 well enough to take the pressure off the back end some.

I don't see the huge rebuilding effort needed, the o can be fixed this offseason and the d improved, the following offseason the d can be finished off and then were back to drafting bpa again but with a coaching staff that actually has a clue about current nfl tactics instead of this outdated bull**** we've been seeing them l regress under.

The move to 3-4 was a short term stop gap, it doesn't seem to have worked to me.
 
SchaubApologist said:
leaving the field (especially at home) without shaking hands with the opposition is as classless as it gets. Schaubby definitely did that yesterday.

AJ was guilty of that yesterday as well, but I give him a pass because I believe he was trying to make a statement without having to make one.
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I don't like Schaub. Never have and never will but... Schaub went into the locker room early to clear things up with AJ before everyone else came in. His priority was his relationship with AJ over ceremonial handshaking. I can't fault Schaub for that. Heck, I can't fault Schaub for anything that happened in the game. That was Kubiak's fault. 100%.
 
Exascor said:
I don't like Schaub. Never have and never will but... Schaub went into the locker room early to clear things up with AJ before everyone else came in. His priority was his relationship with AJ over ceremonial handshaking. I can't fault Schaub for that. Heck, I can't fault Schaub for anything that happened in the game. That was Kubiak's fault. 100%.
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Schaub is still not man enough to own up to his mistakes... never says "I" he is still saying "we."
 
welsh texan said:
AJs piece on nfl.com can be read in many different ways, on the one hand it's great that he is loyal about his contract, on the other he makes a point that he could get himself gone if he wanted.

All the years of absolute ****e, constant rebuilding etc the one bright spot was aj, and he obviously feels let down for good reason.

The one thing I couldn't help but wonder though was, the media are reporting it like its some kind of major rebuilding project were heading into, I'm unsure, on O we have all the playmaking positions except QB and maybe running back sorted, RB is what like a 3rd round pick? You roll with case next year to both fix the oline, and see what you've got, no point drafting a rookie if he's going to be limited by outside factors while you are trying to develop him, while case is already thrust into that unfortunate position.

So you draft OL, and rather than giving up on the ones we already drafted, say hey, if they all work out, we can get rid of vet contracts to free up cap space.

Then you go 4-3 on D, we got 2 guys failing at olb who could be given a chance across from watt, smith and Mitchell plus a rookie at DT and were set to develop for a year, move Cush back to olb, draft ilb, sign a cheap vet at the other olb.

The secondary, draft 3rd CB, but leave it as is for now and simply have someone run a less obvious coverage scheme, and most of all trust that the pass rushing talent fits a 4-3 well enough to take the pressure off the back end some.

I don't see the huge rebuilding effort needed, the o can be fixed this offseason and the d improved, the following offseason the d can be finished off and then were back to drafting bpa again but with a coaching staff that actually has a clue about current nfl tactics instead of this outdated bull**** we've been seeing them l regress under.

The move to 3-4 was a short term stop gap, it doesn't seem to have worked to me.
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Great post. This team has talent, so it is much different than 2005 in that regard.

And we have recent examples of a new head coach taking over an under-achieving team with talent and quickly turning it around.

The front office and coaching staff needs a rebuild, but I don't think the entire team has to be sold for scrap and everyone replaced.
 
infantrycak said:
I haven't seen people complaining about Keenum wearing his helmet standing by himself yesterday. Hmmm. Maybe neither one is sulking.

People have not Schaub's gomer pyle/droopy dog demeanor for as long as he has been here. It didn't become sulking over night or at least it shouldn't.



Well that is odd because I would have said exactly the opposite. Schaub notably stayed away the first start Keenum got. Said at the time that was the right move. He has increasingly been talking to Keenum and the QB coach, pointing at the overheads, etc. since then.



Well barring some better indication I will trust Keenum's own statements that Schaub has been very involved and helpful.
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That's because Keenum wasn't doing that. he was running up and down the sidelines, clapping his hands and calling things out. When the offense was off the field, he was sitting next to Schaub with his helmet off going over the pictures. Schaub never did that when he was the backup. Only thing I ever saw him do was low five the field goal unit.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
That's because Keenum wasn't doing that. he was running up and down the sidelines, clapping his hands and calling things out. When the offense was off the field, he was sitting next to Schaub with his helmet off going over the pictures. Schaub never did that when he was the backup. Only thing I ever saw him do was low five the field goal unit.
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Exactly....
 
EllisUnit said:
Exactly....
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What was really funny was seeing Schaub try to act like Keenum in the huddle. I have never seen him clap his hands so much and kneel like he was about to kick some ass. It was usually hands over his helmet leaning towards the sidelines, slow walk to the huddle, and a calm break.
 
awc713 said:
compete for the playoffs. looks, im just as pissed as everyone else around here. its been a long year.

we clearly need a coaching overhaul. BUT, the reason we are all so upset is that we know this team has a lot of talent.

With a good draft, we can cure a lot of problems. We have a good talent base. Far better than a lot of teams. AJ realizes that. Watt does as well. We've been shot in the foot for 3+ years with injuries, but that isn't an excuse anymore.

My point in my post was that AJ nor Watt will demand or ask for a trade. We have the pieces to compete next year. You can turn it around in the NFL in a year or two.
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Exactly. Just look at KC.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
That's because Keenum wasn't doing that. he was running up and down the sidelines, clapping his hands and calling things out. When the offense was off the field, he was sitting next to Schaub with his helmet off going over the pictures. Schaub never did that when he was the backup. Only thing I ever saw him do was low five the field goal unit.
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Exactly what I was pointing out to a buddy of mine.
 
Good lord, I have been reading comments on different sites about this situation, and there a quite a few people calling AJ a "spoiled brat", "quitter", "sore loser" etc.

People like this really piss me off. They are obviously bandwagon fans and have no idea what the fvck they are talking about.

Just had to get that off my chest. :)
 
False Start said:
Good lord, I have been reading comments on different sites about this situation, and there a quite a few people calling AJ a "spoiled brat", "quitter", "sore loser" etc.

People like this really piss me off. They are obviously bandwagon fans and have no idea what the fvck they are talking about.

Just had to get that off my chest. :)
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Haven't seen that but you're right. :bravo:
 
False Start said:
Good lord, I have been reading comments on different sites about this situation, and there a quite a few people calling AJ a "spoiled brat", "quitter", "sore loser" etc.

People like this really piss me off. They are obviously bandwagon fans and have no idea what the fvck they are talking about.

Just had to get that off my chest. :)
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There are a lot of morons out there who don't know football, and can't recognize that a QB throwing into triple coverage is the one at fault.
 
SchaubApologist said:
...when has schaub ever showed up in a big game?
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They are all big games in the NFL.

September 19th, 2010 is the only one I can think of off hand. Matt really came through on that one.

That beautiful highlight reel pass to AJ for the tie with 2:11 to go in the 4th. We won in OT. Matt Schaub QBR of 114. 497 yards passing. 3TDs and a pick.

Come to think of it, that's pretty sh!tty when I can only think of 1.

There's gotta be more, right? :thinking:
 
Lucky said:
How many forums is dalemurphy a member of?
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Regarding football, just this one... And, I have never written that AJ is a quitter, sore loser, or spoiled brat. I simply pointed out the truth that AJ pulled up on his route, which he should not have. No name-calling involved. Unlike so many "Texan" fans, I can criticize a player for a mistake without demonizing him.
 
EVOLVIST said:
They are all big games in the NFL.

September 19th, 2010 is the only one I can think of off hand. Matt really came through on that one.

That beautiful highlight reel pass to AJ for the tie with 2:11 to go in the 4th. We won in OT. Matt Schaub QBR of 114. 497 yards passing. 3TDs and a pick.

Come to think of it, that's pretty sh!tty when I can only think of 1.

There's gotta be more, right? :thinking:
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Well, without exercising my brain too much, there were the first two games of this year when he brought the team back from large deficits late in the game.
 
EVOLVIST said:
They are all big games in the NFL.

September 19th, 2010 is the only one I can think of off hand. Matt really came through on that one.

That beautiful highlight reel pass to AJ for the tie with 2:11 to go in the 4th. We won in OT. Matt Schaub QBR of 114. 497 yards passing. 3TDs and a pick.

Come to think of it, that's pretty sh!tty when I can only think of 1.

There's gotta be more, right? :thinking:
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Special day in our house...the moment my wife obtained enlightenment. She flew off the couch with both arms in the air yelling "I want an Andre Johnson jersey!" when he made that catch.

Brings tears to my eyes every time I think about it.
 
You don't have to be Cortland Finnegan*to know you're not winning a fight with Andre Johnson. Not in Houston.
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Johnson deserves better than these Texans, than this washed up Schaub, than a coaching decision that inexplicably benches the franchise's hope in his fourth career start. Andre Johnson is starting to look an awful lot like Barry Sanders, a blinding talent doomed to play for a franchise that just can't see the light.
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Andre Johnson wins any fight with Matt Schaub: Case Keenum, No. 80 both deserve much better by Chris Baldwin
 
Dutchrudder said:
There are a lot of morons out there who don't know football, and can't recognize that a QB throwing into triple coverage is the one at fault.
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yep. Nevermind the fact that Case was putting the ball in places for AJ to make some spectacular catches that clearly reveal he's still got it.

No, Schaub had to lock on to one receiver and force a pass into stupid coverage while completely ignoring other receivers who would have caught TDs to win the game.

AJ sees the same thing we see.
 
Double Barrel said:
yep. Nevermind the fact that Case was putting the ball in places for AJ to make some spectacular catches that clearly reveal he's still got it.

No, Schaub had to lock on to one receiver and force a pass into stupid coverage while completely ignoring other receivers who would have caught TDs to win the game.

AJ sees the same thing we see.
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yeah but Brett Favre says "Completions are way more awesome than you force them through triple coverage"

Or at least that guy pretending to be Brett Favre says that. Is a guy pretending to be Brett Favre actually a better QB than we've ever had here in Houston with the Texans?

Maybe. I'd listen to him. He looks a lot like a future Hall of Famer.
 
Hervoyel said:
yeah but Brett Favre says "Completions are way more awesome than you force them through triple coverage"

Or at least that guy pretending to be Brett Favre says that. Is a guy pretending to be Brett Favre actually a better QB than we've ever had here in Houston with the Texans?

Maybe. I'd listen to him. He looks a lot like a future Hall of Famer.
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Favre has the kinda gun to wait until the last second and fire it in there . Schaub is more of a poor man's Dan Fouts where he tries to anticipate the guy coming open and has to throw it early so it will get there in time . That's what is so funny because he threw it where he thought Andre should be . AJ saw that there was a long line waiting for the ball and curled in .
 
Hervoyel said:
yeah but Brett Favre says "Completions are way more awesome than you force them through triple coverage"
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lol! Yeah, perhaps there is a reason why Favre holds the NFL all-time interception record, too. ;)

Of course, Favre had something to overcome those bad decisions. The clutch factor and the ability to extend plays, those intangibles that cannot be taught and we are seeing in Keenum.
 
dalemurphy said:
Well, without exercising my brain too much, there were the first two games of this year when he brought the team back from large deficits late in the game.
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But only AFTER Schaub put us in the hole to begin with!

First offensive play of the year, Gary called his new play, the "Pick 6," but Matt flubbed it. Oh, but it was still a pick and San Diego scored one play later.

Titans game - To Schaub's credit he was able to execute Gary's newest play to perfection this time. To Gary's credit he knew Schaub had to get warmed up first, so Gary waited until the 4th quarter to call it. These aren't like the Washington game, at all.

These games are like somebody totaling my car, and then I'm like, "Oh well, at least the battery is still good."
 
EVOLVIST said:
They are all big games in the NFL.

September 19th, 2010 is the only one I can think of off hand. Matt really came through on that one.

That beautiful highlight reel pass to AJ for the tie with 2:11 to go in the 4th. We won in OT. Matt Schaub QBR of 114. 497 yards passing. 3TDs and a pick.

Come to think of it, that's pretty sh!tty when I can only think of 1.

There's gotta be more, right? :thinking:
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that is the first game I've seen of the texans, that game made me a fan :)
 
False Start said:
Good lord, I have been reading comments on different sites about this situation, and there a quite a few people calling AJ a "spoiled brat", "quitter", "sore loser" etc.

People like this really piss me off. They are obviously bandwagon fans and have no idea what the fvck they are talking about.

Just had to get that off my chest. :)
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MSR, but I agree with you.

I can honestly say the LAST thing I would have EVER said seeing AJ walk off the field like that is "what a baby".

I said a few words I couldn't say on TV along with, "Good job Kubiak, you not only wasted this teams time. You also managed to make one of the most dedicated of Texans, rethink his dedication."

I think that should have been the last straw and an instant firing taking place of Kubiak. The season is a wash.... there is no reason to lose one of the greatest players this team has ever seen in the process.
 
I remember being pissed at AJ during training camp. Now I just feel bad for him. I owe him an apology, he was right, the QB situation wasn't addressed (not that there were options, other than rookies, not sure any were the answer) and the team is in shambles. Who knows maybe they pull it together and start to look like a pro team before week 17. However looks a lot like last season......

I disagree with those that say this team doesn't have enough talent to be decent, but it's hard to tell at this point. I wonder if AJ fell for the 3 and 1 start or if he saw the season for what it is.
 
Big Lou said:
I remember being pissed at AJ during training camp. Now I just feel bad for him. I owe him an apology, he was right, the QB situation wasn't addressed (not that there were options, other than rookies, not sure any were the answer) and the team is in shambles. Who knows maybe they pull it together and start to look like a pro team before week 17. However looks a lot like last season......

I disagree with those that say this team doesn't have enough talent to be decent, but it's hard to tell at this point. I wonder if AJ fell for the 3 and 1 start or if he saw the season for what it is.
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AJ is our Barry Sanders. Hall of Fame talent stuck on a perpetually mediocre team (except for the two playoff years, where they were an above average team ;)).

At least Barry made it to an NFC Championship Game...
 
Andre Johnson rides to Ryan Fitzpatrick’s defense

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When Texans receiver Andre Johnson was staying away this offseason, amid reports he was disturbed about the team’s rebuilding phase, it was natural to assume he wasn’t happy with the quarterback, or lack thereof.

But even as coach Bill O’Brien said Ryan Fitzpatrick made some bad reads and missed Johnson for some big gains recently, the veteran receiver came to the defense of the journeyman quarterback.

“When you don’t win, everybody needs to look at themselves and see what they can do better,” Johnson said, via Dale Robertson of the Houston Chronicle. “We all need to pick our play up, fix the mistakes we’re making and do what we need to do to win. You can’t dwell on one person or one guy. Head coaches and quarterbacks are going to get the bulk of the criticism because of the positions they’re in.”

Johnson said if anything, “better communication” would fix the problems between himself and his quarterback.

“He has a tough job, a lot to think about on every play,” Johnson said. “You just have to communicate with him, let him know what you’re seeing, stuff like that. Everybody makes mistakes. I make mistakes. Nobody’s perfect.”

Of course, if Johnson really wanted more open lines of communication with Fitzpatrick, he had an offseason full of chances to build them, but he declined.
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playa465 said:
Andre Johnson rides to Ryan Fitzpatrick’s defense

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Andre Johnson has always been a class act, which is why he should be inducted into the Hall of Fame, because he will never say anything bad about his qb's, no matter how poorly they're playing.
 
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