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Andre Johnson Thread

dalemurphy said:
He had one in his hands from schaub... An easier play than a few of those keenum TDs. Wide receivers love playing with QBs that can extend plays, etc... I remember when every WR in the NFL wanted to play with Vick. Who cares? AJ will prepare each week and show himself on Sundays. I don't think anyone that matters care about his assessment of the QB play.

There is a lot to be frustrated with when the team is 2-8... If winning is vital to him, I am sure the Texans would agree to restructure his contract in order to create more cap room to bring in more talent on offense.
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AJ has restructured countless times already.
 
dalemurphy said:
He had one in his hands from schaub... An easier play than a few of those keenum TDs. Wide receivers love playing with QBs that can extend plays, etc... I remember when every WR in the NFL wanted to play with Vick. Who cares? AJ will prepare each week and show himself on Sundays. I don't think anyone that matters care about his assessment of the QB play.

There is a lot to be frustrated with when the team is 2-8... If winning is vital to him, I am sure the Texans would agree to restructure his contract in order to create more cap room to bring in more talent on offense.
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I bet he carries some stroke , I bet AJ wishes Matt would go to the open guy when the Raiders are dedicating half the team to him .
 
dalemurphy said:
Also, he should consider not quitting on his routes when the game is on the line... He did it twice in the red zone in the 4th quarter.
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It prob became habit that he never gets looked at by Schaub in the endzone, i'm sure he was shocked when the ball did go his way.
 
dalemurphy said:
Also, he should consider not quitting on his routes when the game is on the line... He did it twice in the red zone in the 4th quarter... Not to mention letting a TD get defended away because he tried to body catch it instead of grabbing it with his hands as he has been taught for the past 20 years of his football life.
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Oh it's AJs fault Schaub failed on 4th and 7. You can't rag on a guy who has given everything he has to this team .
 
EllisUnit said:
It amazes me how AJ wont finish a simple route for Schaub but he just runs down the field and makes amazing plays and TD catches for Keenum. Just saying, maybe he was deflated when he saw Schaub back out there.
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It amazes me that a professional would completely quit on a route on 4th and 2 that could have been a TD.
 
It wasn't AJ's fault. If he had run the wrong pattern, Schaub would never have seen him. He was double covered and would have been wherever he went. Schaub was the problem, trying to force the ball in there instead of looking for the tight end. Keenum should have been in for that last play, at least.
 
just watched the replay, looks like dre ran a curl route and matt threw an in route.....dre took blame, fine. blame him. but id still bet it was matts fault
 
Schaub should of never been out there. Kubiaks lame excuse about we needed to make a switch is funny. How come no switch was made when Schaub was throwing pick 6s to every team we played cause he was so predictable. But yet just because a team is blitzing us he makes a switch haha
 
Think AJ didn't play 100% because it was Schaub. I think he lost hope when Schaub was put back in. Not saying it's right, but seems to me that Schaub has lost AJ, and maybe a bunch of the other guys.
 
eriadoc said:
Think AJ didn't play 100% because it was Schaub. I think he lost hope when Schaub was put back in. Not saying it's right, but seems to me that Schaub has lost AJ, and maybe a bunch of the other guys.
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I agree AJ played inspired with Case out there, and rightfully so when all his 5 TDs have come in 2 games with Case. And yes we are 0-3 with Case BUT to lose 3 games by 7 points and have 5 missed FGs is very telling.
 
yup aj quit on his route :cool:

just like the pick 6 vs the seahawks was ajs fault for not "fighting for the ball more".....thats what schaub does. blames others and never credits himself with fault....its always "we" or "us".....i will never believe dre just stopped running, imo he ran a different route.....and matt threw into triple coverage...of course hed blame dre
 
EllisUnit said:
I agree AJ played inspired with Case out there, and rightfully so when all his 5 TDs have come in 2 games with Case. And yes we are 0-3 with Case BUT to lose 3 games by 7 points and have 5 missed FGs is very telling.
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I think any objective observer would say that Keenum has some issues (OMG! A rookie has issues?!?!), but he gave the team a better chance to win. When Schaub was out there, they were getting blown out. So the team has more issues than just QB, but at least with Keenum, things like missed FGs mattered.
 
EllisUnit said:
I agree AJ played inspired with Case out there, and rightfully so when all his 5 TDs have come in 2 games with Case. And yes we are 0-3 with Case BUT to lose 3 games by 7 points and have 5 missed FGs is very telling.
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yup, but haters and blind loyalists on this message board fail to see that
 
eriadoc said:
Think AJ didn't play 100% because it was Schaub. I think he lost hope when Schaub was put back in. Not saying it's right, but seems to me that Schaub has lost AJ, and maybe a bunch of the other guys.
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If AJ quit it was because the ball shouldn't have been thrown to him . It's at the 4:04 mark . he was in the slot at the inside of the T and the ball ended up at the E in Texans , with a lot of Raiders around .

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013111703/2013/REG11/raiders@texans#tab=recap&menu=highlights
 
eriadoc said:
I think any objective observer would say that Keenum has some issues (OMG! A rookie has issues?!?!), but he gave the team a better chance to win. When Schaub was out there, they were getting blown out. So the team has more issues than just QB, but at least with Keenum, things like missed FGs mattered.
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Thats 1 way to look at it....
 
nytexan said:
No Anti-Keenum hardon, I just don't think he's an NFL starting QB. Our best bet is to lose out and pick one of the QB's in next years draft.
Schaub needs to go, the whole coaching staff needs to go and Keenum needs to go back to being a benchwarmer.
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Unless there is a change at HC & GM we'd get the one guy that doesn't become a great one.
 
Keenum can make something out of a busted play, Schaub can't anymore. At one point in his career Schaub was a damn good QB, we all remember those days. Keenum would never have taken Schaub's job back then. But then isn't now. Schaub isn't what he used to be and because of it Keenum looks better because of his exciting play.

That's all there is to it folks. Football players wear down. Schaub is worn down. Keenum is fresh and new and has good skills. This shouldn't be a new situation to any football fan.
 
Where's Nitro when you need him .... Need someone to read Schaub's lips and tell us what he said in response to #80.
 
Lord Bills said:
the coaching staff cannot adjust to the blitz.

all out blitz coming???

empty the backfield and call for a long developing pass.
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Sorry but failure to see the blitz coming is all on Case. Just like we fans see the jailbreak blitz coming Case damn sure should. Yet he fails time and again to check to the hot route and make them pay. He did it once against K.C. and has not since.

You want to know why Case got benched? That's it. I would bet a paycheck they go over how to recognize the blitzes - and what to do about it - in post-game film breakdown every Monday and come gametime Case still doesn't get it. To Kubiak, that's equivalent to a RB fumbling. Both mistakes will get you benched.
 
Corrosion said:
Where's Nitro when you need him .... Need someone to read Schaub's lips and tell us what he said in response to #80.
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Matt said: Oh, I'm sorry Andre but I've really sucked this year... really going back to last year... and I don't know why I was even in the game.

And then he made this face:
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dalemurphy said:
Also, he should consider not quitting on his routes when the game is on the line... He did it twice in the red zone in the 4th quarter... Not to mention letting a TD get defended away because he tried to body catch it instead of grabbing it with his hands as he has been taught for the past 20 years of his football life.
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Are you serious?

I'm at a loss for words when reading some people's posts.
 
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nfl.com has an article that says dre yelled at schaub earlier in the game when schaub missed him deep down field.....the 4th and goal just boiled the feud more
 
lot of misinformation out there...lets clear dre right now



(on what happened on the last play of the game) “I messed up I’ll just put it like that. I messed up.”

not an admittance of stopping on the route

(on the last play did Matt Schaub tell you that you messed up) “No, I mean there was just words exchanged. You could see the frustration on his face, and the frustration on my face. Like I said I’m not worried about that. I think you all are making a big deal about it. We talked about it it’s over. I have no problems with Matt we’ve played a lot of football together. We have a good relationship.”

(on if it’s important to admit you messed up) “I mean it’s part of it. I didn’t do my part. I could’ve made a play that would have had a different outcome.”

no where in those words say dre stopped or ran the wrong route...its him saying matt sucks and you can blame me, i dont give a damn
 
What I saw in the AJ play is a throw into triple coverage in which one defender stepped in front of AJs route. I don't see what AJ could have done differently, except maybe get absolutely smashed and still not catch the ball.
 
TexansSeminole said:
What I saw in the AJ play is a throw into triple coverage in which one defender stepped in front of AJs route. I don't see what AJ could have done differently, except maybe get absolutely smashed and still not catch the ball.
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Yeah, that's what I saw too. Even if Dre ran the right route, he's still triple covered and the ball was thrown directly to a defender.
 
JCTexan said:
Yeah, that's what I saw too. Even if Dre ran the right route, he's still triple covered and the ball was thrown directly to a defender.
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Ya, and I don't even think he ran the wrong route. I think he just quit running when he saw the defender in the air about to catch the ball. There was really nothing he could have done from what I saw.

But, you know, some people see what they want to see.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Are you serious?

I'm at a loss for words when reading some people's posts.
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AJ is a great player and a special athlete. What I can't understand is why people are so quick to blame everything on a lesser talent (Schaub, for instance), who has a great work ethic, attitude, and sacrifices for the team as well... even things that aren't within his control. Yet, when one of the most gifted humans on the earth fails to run his route on a game deciding play or fails to complete a catch for a TD earlier in the game because of poor technique, nobody wants to hold him accountable for it.

I know AJ is a better player than Matt Schaub and, if there was a way to chart it, AJ would be more responsible for more wins/successes than Schaub...

But, the energized hate and blame the fan base continues to focus on Schaub is outrageous and bizarre. Schaub has been a winner for the organization and has played a lot of good football. He has continued to perform to the best of his abilities but his play has slipped since his injury. His poor play contributed to a disappointing 2-4 start this season... Since he was benched, the Texans have continued to lose (0-4). Still, when he enters the game because Keenum is unable to handle some of the pressure packages in the second half, the crowd booed with so loud and so long that the offense had to go to a silent snap at home... Meanwhile, the same crowd caused no problems for the opposing, rookie QB.

The Texans are not 2-8 because of Matt Schaub. The defense has been brutal in the red zone and inconsistent throughout the year. The special teams has been an unmitigated disaster, and the offensive line has been terrible. None of that is Schaub's fault, nor should he be blamed for going into the game when the coach tells him to.
 
the defense of schaub and gary on this board is insane....half of you are just brain dead......i need to go to sleep before i get hot headed and in trouble. good night gentlemen/ladies.
 
kingtexan said:
You post really bad comments. Andre has already publicly stated he is just "playing out his contract". Think he wants to be here? Think his agent wont try to get him out? Wake up ...
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Andre's response meant the question is irrelevant. He has four years left.

Watt has played in four playoff games in his 2.5 years in Houston. To claim he wants a trade is just you throwing a fit.

Your threads reflect some of the worst behavior of sports fandom. You advocate throwing ice at players and applauding their injuries, and you refer to a player's family in your rants. You don't know how to draw the line between your personal pride and entertainment. And here we have another thread produced by the same childish venting absent of any logical premise. People with football insight and supported arguments come here for interesting discussion, not to deal with unsupervised kids.
 
amazing80 said:
wheres your proof dre didnt run the route
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What route do you think he was running? Where is the "post and slow to a 50% trot" on the route tree?... By the way, it was man coverage. He was not hunting for a hole in the zone. Check the video. He did it on the earlier red zone drive also- on the same route.

How many times did Michael Irvin run a post into tight coverage but commit to getting across the corner back? Hundreds of times! Both times, if AJ ran the route with conviction, he would have had an opportunity to make the play (though neither appeared to be great throws)... Still, he needs to be where he is supposed to be. How many games have we won because AJ made a great, physical play in traffic? This could have been another one, maybe... but, he robbed himself of the opportunity.
 
dalemurphy said:
What route do you think he was running? Where is the "post and slow to a 50% trot" on the route tree?... By the way, it was man coverage. He was not hunting for a hole in the zone. Check the video. He did it on the earlier red zone drive also- on the same route.

How many times did Michael Irvin run a post into tight coverage but commit to getting across the corner back? Hundreds of times! Both times, if AJ ran the route with conviction, he would have had an opportunity to make the play (though neither appeared to be great throws)... Still, he needs to be where he is supposed to be. How many games have we won because AJ made a great, physical play in traffic? This could have been another one, maybe... but, he robbed himself of the opportunity.
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dre looks like he ran a curl and when he turned matt was throwing the ball so dre tried to get there but couldnt.....dre is an all pro hof player who wants a super bowl, to suggest he stopped running is asinine and stupid. its much more logical to think matt threw a bad pass, especially since hes known for it AND his reps have been significantly reduced during the week....but hey blame our all pro wide out on giving up if it makes you feel better mr schaub
 
dalemurphy said:
What route do you think he was running? Where is the "post and slow to a 50% trot" on the route tree?... By the way, it was man coverage. He was not hunting for a hole in the zone. Check the video. He did it on the earlier red zone drive also- on the same route.

How many times did Michael Irvin run a post into tight coverage but commit to getting across the corner back? Hundreds of times! Both times, if AJ ran the route with conviction, he would have had an opportunity to make the play (though neither appeared to be great throws)... Still, he needs to be where he is supposed to be. How many games have we won because AJ made a great, physical play in traffic? This could have been another one, maybe... but, he robbed himself of the opportunity.
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if you are right... this means AJ does not want to play with Schaub.

i do not blame him, and will back him up on this one.
 
dalemurphy said:
AJ is a great player and a special athlete. What I can't understand is why people are so quick to blame everything on a lesser talent (Schaub, for instance), who has a great work ethic, attitude, and sacrifices for the team as well... even things that aren't within his control. Yet, when one of the most gifted humans on the earth fails to run his route on a game deciding play or fails to complete a catch for a TD earlier in the game because of poor technique, nobody wants to hold him accountable for it.

I know AJ is a better player than Matt Schaub and, if there was a way to chart it, AJ would be more responsible for more wins/successes than Schaub...

But, the energized hate and blame the fan base continues to focus on Schaub is outrageous and bizarre. Schaub has been a winner for the organization and has played a lot of good football. He has continued to perform to the best of his abilities but his play has slipped since his injury. His poor play contributed to a disappointing 2-4 start this season... Since he was benched, the Texans have continued to lose (0-4). Still, when he enters the game because Keenum is unable to handle some of the pressure packages in the second half, the crowd booed with so loud and so long that the offense had to go to a silent snap at home... Meanwhile, the same crowd caused no problems for the opposing, rookie QB.

The Texans are not 2-8 because of Matt Schaub. The defense has been brutal in the red zone and inconsistent throughout the year. The special teams has been an unmitigated disaster, and the offensive line has been terrible. None of that is Schaub's fault, nor should he be blamed for going into the game when the coach tells him to.
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AJ is far and away a more reliable player than Schaub. The last play was pretty clear from what I saw, a forced throw into triple coverage. Why would you blame it on AJ? How is he failing to run his route when the throw is into triple coverage, straight at a defender? What is it that you are expecting?

The problem with Schaub is that he playing to the best of his abilities isn't worth watching. He's not at all a good player and hasn't been for some time now. And now he wants to start calling AJ out for what, not doing what exactly? Diving into triple coverage on a fourth down throw in which a defender is in perfect position to intercept? That's not what good teammates do. That's not what a leader does. That's what a piss poor player does when he realizes his career is done.

To be quite honest, you are always taking a stance in which I do not agree. There are only a few posters in which I disagree with more often, so it's not all that surprising. I don't mean it as an attack, just simply saying that I disagree with most of what you say. We can agree on the most obvious things, such as "the offensive line is playing poorly," or "this defense isn't performing well," but when it comes to analyzing things that aren't blatantly obvious, I tend to disagree with you.

You say that you watched the Cowboys in their glory days but couldn't watch them anymore because they weren't doing it the "right way" and you despised the leaders of the team. You either a) didn't really watch them play, which I doubt, or b) didn't know what you were watching, because your ability to break things down confuses most everyone it seems. You'd think after decades of watching football, someone would be able to understand better what they are watching.
 
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on that last play Hopkins and Garrett were wide OPEN


Hopkins was damm near sittin on the 5 yard line

I don't know why u throw it to ANdre when hes blanketed by like 4 Raiders


also matt throw the ball 2 soon he could of stood in the pocket a lot longer the rusher on his left fell right on his face
 
dalemurphy said:
AJ is a great player and a special athlete. What I can't understand is why people are so quick to blame everything on a lesser talent (Schaub, for instance), who has a great work ethic, attitude, and sacrifices for the team as well... even things that aren't within his control. Yet, when one of the most gifted humans on the earth fails to run his route on a game deciding play or fails to complete a catch for a TD earlier in the game because of poor technique, nobody wants to hold him accountable for it.

I know AJ is a better player than Matt Schaub and, if there was a way to chart it, AJ would be more responsible for more wins/successes than Schaub...

But, the energized hate and blame the fan base continues to focus on Schaub is outrageous and bizarre. Schaub has been a winner for the organization and has played a lot of good football. He has continued to perform to the best of his abilities but his play has slipped since his injury. His poor play contributed to a disappointing 2-4 start this season... Since he was benched, the Texans have continued to lose (0-4). Still, when he enters the game because Keenum is unable to handle some of the pressure packages in the second half, the crowd booed with so loud and so long that the offense had to go to a silent snap at home... Meanwhile, the same crowd caused no problems for the opposing, rookie QB.

The Texans are not 2-8 because of Matt Schaub. The defense has been brutal in the red zone and inconsistent throughout the year. The special teams has been an unmitigated disaster, and the offensive line has been terrible. None of that is Schaub's fault, nor should he be blamed for going into the game when the coach tells him to.
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All valid points, but Schaub has already been identified as damaged goods, and the fans see his presence on field as a step in the wrong direction.
 
Brisco_County said:
All valid points, but Schaub has already been identified as damaged goods, and the fans see his presence on field as a step in the wrong direction.
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I get it. But, there is a level of respect and civility also. Again, they are 0-4 since he was benched. Boo at the end of the game. Yell at the coaches. Boo a bad play. But, come on!
 
I honestly thought when Matt went to the side line he was like, "Coach... uh... I've done about all I can do here, put the kid in."
 
Granted, I don't know as much as some, but I don't see how Andre continuing that route fixes anything. He was in triple coverage.

I think he was surprised Schaub even threw it.
 
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