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Andre Johnson Thread

Lord Bills said:
so what does that tell you?

btw,

its the coaching staf particularly kubiak that needs to handle the blitz better.

You have to call plays that beat the blitz, not help.
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So are you saying once Schaub came in, Kubiak started calling better plays to stop the blitz?
 
Lord Bills said:
so what does that tell you?

btw,

its the coaching staf particularly kubiak that needs to handle the blitz better.

You have to call plays that beat the blitz, not help.
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Are u kidding me? They called PLENTY of bubble screens and quick slants. Once again, the defense KNOWS keenum wants to get rid of the ball quickly when they blitz...they're simply covering up the short stuff long enough to let the blitz get home..
 
MEGA SWATT said:
Is anyone asking for you or anyone's sadness or sentiment? No. OP is simply saying AJ may demand a trade to get out of this mess. Not sure why income has anything to do with that statement.
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He took the money to stay in the same situation (.500 team), with the same coaching staff(Minus Wade) and the same quarterback. Could he have demanded a trade? Sure, but he opted for the money instead.

A trade involving AJ would more than likely end up with him on a team that could just as terrible are Texans. Smith would try to get the best possible pick(s)/players for AJ and could careless if that team is a winner.

The OP made it sound like like Kubiak and #8 will be here next year and that is the reason AJ and Watt will ask for a trade. Could both of those guys still be here next season? Sure, but that decision would rest squarely on would McNair's shoulders.
 
nytexan said:
And you'll hear it for 10 more years if you get your wish and Keenum remains the starting QB
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What's with the anti-keenum hardon? Schaub gets 6+ years and we still want to give him more rope, and after 4 weeks everyone has decided that Keenum's 8 TDs and 1pick are simply not good enough.
 
nytexan said:
And you'll hear it for 10 more years if you get your wish and Keenum remains the starting QB
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haha why because while keeum was the starter we lost 3 games by 7 points, and had like 5 kissed FGs. And he has had no foster, no O.D. Give the kid a fair chance and 3 1/s games he has thrown 8 Tds and 1 Int. Come on now. If schaub gets 5+ years surely Case gets more that 3 1/2 games.
 
dream_team said:
So are you saying once Schaub came in, Kubiak started calling better plays to stop the blitz?
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Once Schaub came in the Raiders didn't blitz almost at all. No need. He simply isn't good enough for them to worry about him having a lot of time int he pocket.
 
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Andre Johnson when asked if he wants to
stay with the team "I'm under contract.
I'm going to play my contract out."
#Texans
 
No Anti-Keenum hardon, I just don't think he's an NFL starting QB. Our best bet is to lose out and pick one of the QB's in next years draft.
Schaub needs to go, the whole coaching staff needs to go and Keenum needs to go back to being a benchwarmer.
 
nytexan said:
No Anti-Keenum hardon, I just don't think he's an NFL starting QB. Our best bet is to lose out and pick one of the QB's in next years draft.
Schaub needs to go, the whole coaching staff needs to go and Keenum needs to go back to being a benchwarmer.
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8 TDs and 1 Int in 3 1/2 games says other wise. But after seeing Schaub today i doubt we need to have this debate anymore. Cause Kubiak is a moron and he will ride Schaub into the sun set.
 
midway said:
Once Schaub came in the Raiders didn't blitz almost at all. No need. He simply isn't good enough for them to worry about him having a lot of time int he pocket.
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Texans were two yards away from winning the game. Bad decision by them then. In all honesty, though, Schaub did beat the blitz a couple of times... enough for the Raiders to think twice about sending another blitz.
 
dream_team said:
Texans were two yards away from winning the game. Bad decision by them then. In all honesty, though, Schaub did beat the blitz a couple of times... enough for the Raiders to think twice about sending another blitz.
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They didnt send the blitz until late in the forth and he completed one pass for 7 yards against the blitz.
 
nytexan said:
No Anti-Keenum hardon, I just don't think he's an NFL starting QB. Our best bet is to lose out and pick one of the QB's in next years draft.
Schaub needs to go, the whole coaching staff needs to go and Keenum needs to go back to being a benchwarmer.
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Two years too late to suck for Luck.
 
nytexan said:
No Anti-Keenum hardon, I just don't think he's an NFL starting QB. Our best bet is to lose out and pick one of the QB's in next years draft.
Schaub needs to go, the whole coaching staff needs to go and Keenum needs to go back to being a benchwarmer.
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Even then, wouldn't it be better to have a benchwarmer with more experience and with some learning how to pick up the blitz next season? Keenum may not be the long term solution but if he's worth keeping on the roster next year while Schaub is sent packing, I'd rather invest in Keenum's development than sticking with Schaub.
 
Fili said:
That's what it was. You could see his frustration. Keenum can finish, Schaub can't finish.
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Are you joking?

Keenum hasn't finished one game this season and has had the ball in his hands at the end of the game almost every week he has started.

I'm not defending schaub because I think he sucks but saying keenum can finish is ridonkulous.

I'm also ok with kubiak benching keenum. He was playing awful. What pisses me off is he has never held schaub to the same degree. Schaub only got benched due to injury. I don't think keenum is the answer for the texans but I do think he should start for the rest of the season.
 
Lord Bills said:
so what does that tell you?

btw,

its the coaching staf particularly kubiak that needs to handle the blitz better.

You have to call plays that beat the blitz, not help.
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Schaub handled the blitz great. He got rid of the ball and moved the team without a run game with little time. Unfortunately, without a run game clicking, schaub lacks the arm and athleticism to make plays in the red zone consistently.

Keenum is struggling to process the blitz and make the hot reads. I also think teams are sending pressure up the middle realizing he can't see the field with the traffic in front of him due to his lack of heights.

The biggest game day play calling mistake was the 3rd and 1 from the two to a hobbled and injured Tate. Otherwise, the issue was poor execution, which can also be blamed on coaches in terms of personnel decisions and preparation this week.
 
dalemurphy said:
Schaub handled the blitz great. He got rid of the ball and moved the team without a run game with little time. Unfortunately, without a run game clicking, schaub lacks the arm and athleticism to make plays in the red zone consistently.
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We must have been watching different games. Schaub almost never got blitzed by the Raiders. Yes, he has a quicker release and checks down better. But sometimes I think he checks down too quickly because he has no ability to avoid the rush.

And don't say it's because they knew Schaub could handle the blitz. Do we remember the last few games before Schaub got hurt? He was getting destroyed by the blitz. Plus they knew that Schaub couldn't beat them deep.

dalemurphy said:
The biggest game day play calling mistake was the 3rd and 1 from the two to a hobbled and injured Tate. Otherwise, the issue was poor execution, which can also be blamed on coaches in terms of personnel decisions and preparation this week.
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Yes, that whole entire final series of downs was terrible (and predictable) play calling. The Raiders saw every one of those plays coming. And that predictability in play calling has bitten them in the ass too many times.
 
Keenum has a lot to learn, but he's also played only 3.5 games.
Keenum needs to learn to read the blitz and find a checkdown receiver. It's his desire to make a big play on every play that's hurting him more than anything else.

They stopped blitzing Schaub because they realized all they had to do was drop 8 in coverage and Schaub couldn't stop them.
 
dalemurphy said:
And why do you think they blitzed schaub less?...
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Well because they know he cant beat them deep anyways, why do you think they went soft zone the entire 2nd half on Schaub. Schaub cant beat the blitz, he goes fetile before he's even touched most of the time.
 
EllisUnit said:
8 TDs and 1 Int in 3 1/2 games says other wise. But after seeing Schaub today i doubt we need to have this debate anymore. Cause Kubiak is a moron and he will ride Schaub into the sun set.
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You are making a pro-schaub argument.. Great stats but not clutch late and not winning games. Keenum is 0-4 As a starter and has not moved the team in the second half of any of his games.

I like keenum but clearly the offensive problems don't disappear when keenum enters and schaub leaves... We just trade one set of issues for another. Neither player, at this point in their career, is capable of winning consistently if the rest of the team is playing poorly.
 
I know this is also going to be HERESY on this board and I'm as big an Andre fan as there is but it did look like he stopped on that 4th down pass in the end zone.
 
nytexan said:
I know this is also going to be HERESY on this board and I'm as big an Andre fan as there is but it did look like he stopped on that 4th down pass in the end zone.
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AJ said he quit on his route in the post game interviews. Nobody should be mad that you're saying exactly what happened.
 
dalemurphy said:
And why do you think they blitzed schaub less?...
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Just simple adjustments. The numbers are there. Schaub has horrible numbers against the blitz and pressure. So don't take it to mean Schaub is that much better under pressure cause he actually isn't. Difference in one guy is young and practically a rookie and the other a vet that is 30+ in age. Not saying either is the answer as if seems clear Schaub is not and Kubiak has decided on keenum. Guess time to look at potential Draft picks.
 
Brisco_County said:
You start really bad threads. Of course none of these things are going to happen.
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You post really bad comments. Andre has already publicly stated he is just "playing out his contract". Think he wants to be here? Think his agent wont try to get him out? Wake up ...
 
kingtexan said:
You post really bad comments. Andre has already publicly stated he is just "playing out his contract". Think he wants to be here? Think his agent wont try to get him out? Wake up ...
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The ONLY way AJ decides to stay here is if we clean house and bring in a prolific head coach with a prolific staff surrounding him.
 
dalemurphy said:
You are making a pro-schaub argument.. Great stats but not clutch late and not winning games. Keenum is 0-4 As a starter and has not moved the team in the second half of any of his games.

I like keenum but clearly the offensive problems don't disappear when keenum enters and schaub leaves... We just trade one set of issues for another. Neither player, at this point in their career, is capable of winning consistently if the rest of the team is playing poorly.
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Nice, sums things up at qb. New coach will invest top 3 pick in a qb
 
It amazes me how AJ wont finish a simple route for Schaub but he just runs down the field and makes amazing plays and TD catches for Keenum. Just saying, maybe he was deflated when he saw Schaub back out there.
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9...on-texans-downplays-sideline-spat-matt-schaub

HOUSTON -- Andre Johnson left the field after being pushed away from quarterback Matt Schaub during a sideline spat Sunday, walking into the Houston Texans' locker room to cool off.

Following Houston's 28-23 loss to the Oakland Raiders, the teammates talked about their argument, which stemmed from Schaub's incompletion in the end zone to Johnson on the final play of the game.

"You can see the frustration on his face, frustration on my face," Johnson said. "I'm not worried about that. I think you all are making a big deal about it.


"We talked about it -- it's over with. I mean, me and Matt are fine. I have no problems with Matt. We played a lot of football together. Me and Matt have a good relationship."
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This Fromm several years ago.

mussop said:
“There are times they do things that have me scratching my head,” Johnson said. “I can't lie about that. I mean, really scratching my head.”

“There are times I am sitting around wondering if it is ever going to happen here.

“Do I have to go to another team for it to happen?”

Pretty telling statements!!! Bring in Cowher now before anymore of Johnsons career is wasted or he decides enough is enough. He deserves better than Kubiak.
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the end of the article is the most telling....It is obvious he no longer wants to be here

"I'm under contract, so, I have to play my contract out," Johnson said. "I can't do anything about that."

Johnson also was asked if he would be willing to go through lean years again.

"I've always said this this is where I wanted to be, so I don't really have anything to say about that," he said. "I still have an ongoing contract."
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Only other time Dre has lost it was the innegan incident.

Dre apologized then, played it down and moved on.

I still can't get over Schaub thinking he's in any position to question anyone about what they're doing.

Where was all this fire and passion when you were on the sidelines sulking?
 
Rey said:
Only other time Dre has lost it was the innegan incident.

Dre apologized then, played it down and moved on.

I still can't get over Schaub thinking he's in any position to question anyone about what they're doing.

Where was all this fire and passion when you were on the sidelines sulking?
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Even when Schaub was playing Case was still pasing the sideline screaming things at the team, Schaub looked like the little brat child sitting in the corner crying because he out grew his scooter and his little brother was riding it.
 
Rey said:
Only other time Dre has lost it was the innegan incident.

Dre apologized then, played it down and moved on.

I still can't get over Schaub thinking he's in any position to question anyone about what they're doing.

Where was all this fire and passion when you were on the sidelines sulking?
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AJ liked catching some Tds with Case .
 
EllisUnit said:
the end of the article is the most telling....It is obvious he no longer wants to be here
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That is pretty telling.

Talking about having to finish his contract out.

I think the organization is going to have to make a drastic change otherwise I think Dre will quietly ask for a trade.

Might want to consider WR in the first round too.
 
EllisUnit said:
It amazes me how AJ wont finish a simple route for Schaub but he just runs down the field and makes amazing plays and TD catches for Keenum. Just saying, maybe he was deflated when he saw Schaub back out there.
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Correct. This is why coaches have to think about the big picture. You have to think about what will spark the entire team, and ignore trying to please one person. These players were done with Matt weeks ago.


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"We talked about it -- it's over with. I mean, me and Matt are fine. I have no problems with Matt. We played a lot of football together. Me and Matt have a good relationship."

Note that Dre never calls Matt a friend.
 
Bob ... the best player in Texan's history has had it with this unicorn and lollipops show . He's going to tell the guy who could replace him with this title , to take the 1st bus out . Unless of course he cashes in cause his elbow is screwed up .

Clean house while you are still better than your expansion bunch , who won 4 games .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
AJ liked catching some Tds with Case .
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He had one in his hands from schaub... An easier play than a few of those keenum TDs. Wide receivers love playing with QBs that can extend plays, etc... I remember when every WR in the NFL wanted to play with Vick. Who cares? AJ will prepare each week and show himself on Sundays. I don't think anyone that matters care about his assessment of the QB play.

There is a lot to be frustrated with when the team is 2-8... If winning is vital to him, I am sure the Texans would agree to restructure his contract in order to create more cap room to bring in more talent on offense.
 
Also, he should consider not quitting on his routes when the game is on the line... He did it twice in the red zone in the 4th quarter... Not to mention letting a TD get defended away because he tried to body catch it instead of grabbing it with his hands as he has been taught for the past 20 years of his football life.
 
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