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Andre Johnson Thread

dalemurphy said:
I get it. But, there is a level of respect and civility also. Again, they are 0-4 since he was benched. Boo at the end of the game. Yell at the coaches. Boo a bad play. But, come on!
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Weren't you blathering about "freedom of speech" in a different thread?

Take your own advice, sport.
 
dalemurphy said:
What route do you think he was running? Where is the "post and slow to a 50% trot" on the route tree?... By the way, it was man coverage. He was not hunting for a hole in the zone. Check the video. He did it on the earlier red zone drive also- on the same route.

How many times did Michael Irvin run a post into tight coverage but commit to getting across the corner back? Hundreds of times! Both times, if AJ ran the route with conviction, he would have had an opportunity to make the play (though neither appeared to be great throws)... Still, he needs to be where he is supposed to be. How many games have we won because AJ made a great, physical play in traffic? This could have been another one, maybe... but, he robbed himself of the opportunity.
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Into triple coverage? Really, that was the best option there? "Look, I can throw TDs to AJ too, not my fault he doesn't go up and get them" - Schaub
 
tvaughan said:
Granted, I don't know as much as some, but I don't see how Andre continuing that route fixes anything. He was in triple coverage.

I think he was surprised Schaub even threw it.
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More like "I ran my decoy route, why the hell didn't you through to someone who was open"?
 
hookinreds said:
Into triple coverage? Really, that was the best option there? "Look, I can throw TDs to AJ too, not my fault he doesn't go up and get them" - Schaub
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Ted Johnson was saying that Andre was upset that Schaub locked in on him and forced the ball to him. He was saying that Schaub should have gone somewhere else with the ball. He ended to route early because he saw it wasn't there (likely to try to get open if Schaub miraculously bought some time).

Really it's a moot point though. I'm sure Schaub won't be the starter here next season and I'm 80% sure kubiak won't be here either.
 
tvaughan said:
Granted, I don't know as much as some, but I don't see how Andre continuing that route fixes anything. He was in triple coverage.

I think he was surprised Schaub even threw it.
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No, you know plenty. Some people just can't see whatsoever really going on because they either want to be right and can't objectively think about being wrong or they just have no clue what they are talking about.

Probably a mix of both.
 
Rey said:
Ted Johnson was saying that Andre was upset that Schaub locked in on him and forced the ball to him. He was saying that Schaub should have gone somewhere else with the ball. He ended to route early because he saw it wasn't there (likely to try to get open if Schaub miraculously bought some time).

Really it's a moot point though. I'm sure Schaub won't be the starter here next season and I'm 80% sure kubiak won't be here either.
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That sounds plausible, reasonable, and like the Schaub I have come to accept. The defense was all over that route. The smart thing was for AJ to break off and find a hole to sit in in case Schaub, who should have been going through his progression, needed to come back to him.

These things happen in systems where the QB and the WRs have to make the same reads and adjustments on the fly.

During the game, it was mentioned that Schaub had also missed a wide open #80 just before that dreaded play. So Johnson may have been doubly pissed.
 
schaub is a vet he should no better

He should of gone throw his reads and TO NOTTTT PAnnic in the pocket

U see how Brady and manning do it

Brady stands tall in the pocket and goes throw his reads VERRRYYY fast might I had but he senses the Pocket he will hop aroun in the pocket has long has he has to


Manning will do the same he kinda does the happy feet in the pocket but he will slide to left right or FWD to buy some time
 
MojoX said:
That sounds plausible, reasonable, and like the Schaub I have come to accept. The defense was all over that route. The smart thing was for AJ to break off and find a hole to sit in in case Schaub, who should have been going through his progression, needed to come back to him.

These things happen in systems where the QB and the WRs have to make the same reads and adjustments on the fly.

During the game, it was mentioned that Schaub had also missed a wide open #80 just before that dreaded play. So Johnson may have been doubly pissed.
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We are talking about Schaub here, not Case.
 
This about sums up the 2013 season.

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dalemurphy said:
I get it. But, there is a level of respect and civility also. Again, they are 0-4 since he was benched. Boo at the end of the game. Yell at the coaches. Boo a bad play. But, come on!
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I'm with you -- I will always promote civility, and I hate hearing people boo players who work their asses off. But, as much as we both hate it, it should be expected that any NFL fanbase will boo the entrance of a QB who had a meltdown and broke the league's pick six record. No avoiding that.

TEXANRED said:
well.........isn't it?
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Yes.
 
Brisco_County said:
I'm with you -- I will always promote civility, and I hate hearing people boo players who work their asses off. But, as much as we both hate it, it should be expected that any NFL fanbase will boo the entrance of a QB who had a meltdown and broke the league's pick six record. No avoiding that.



Yes.
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Look at who held it previously and then understand that it's a completely meaningless "record". Interceptions are largely based on luck, and pick 6's even more so. Keenum has thrown a dozen passes that should have been picked off but were dropped by a DB who had a reasonable chance to catch it. Schaub threw plenty of those too, and so did Manning, Brady, Brees, etc.

Schaub has performed poorly for most of this year. He's also flashed some of the old Matt, that makes you think he's not done.

I'm certainly willing to give Keenum time to develop; the season is over. I simply haven't seen anything at this point that makes me think he's going to do so. I just think the pro game is too fast and too complex for him. He's a better Rex Grosman.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2006/11/f-k-it-im-throwing-it-downfield.html
 
Goatcheese said:
Look at who held it previously and then understand that it's a completely meaningless "record". Interceptions are largely based on luck, and pick 6's even more so. Keenum has thrown a dozen passes that should have been picked off but were dropped by a DB who had a reasonable chance to catch it. Schaub threw plenty of those too, and so did Manning, Brady, Brees, etc.

Schaub has performed poorly for most of this year. He's also flashed some of the old Matt, that makes you think he's not done.

I'm certainly willing to give Keenum time to develop; the season is over. I simply haven't seen anything at this point that makes me think he's going to do so. I just think the pro game is too fast and too complex for him. He's a better Rex Grosman.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2006/11/f-k-it-im-throwing-it-downfield.html
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the keenum that we have seen is miles better than the "old matt" you refer to.
 
hookinreds said:
Into triple coverage? Really, that was the best option there? "Look, I can throw TDs to AJ too, not my fault he doesn't go up and get them" - Schaub
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First of all, it was double coverage. Second, I did not think it was a good decision and likely not a good throw. I'm not one of the fans pretending like the 8 losses are the result of a single player.

I'm just pointing out the obvious- on 4th down, with a chance to win the game, AJ quit on the play... That is what happened. Clearly, he is frustrated with the season. I get it. However, he allowed the frustration to diminish effort. As a fan, lack of focus and physical effort are the things I have the least tolerance for. I already know that Schaub's limited mobility and marginal arm are hurdles the team has to overcome in the redzone. The difference, however, is that he has no contol over those things. Effort is entirely within the control of each player on the field and on a couple plays today, AJ lacked effort when it mattered.
 
SchaubApologist said:
Weren't you blathering about "freedom of speech" in a different thread?

Take your own advice, sport.
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What does criticizing someone's words have to do with freedom of speech?

Do you really believe that freedom of speech means everyone should agree with you or remain silent? That is a myopic view of the world, to say the least.
 
Brisco_County said:
I'm with you -- I will always promote civility, and I hate hearing people boo players who work their asses off. But, as much as we both hate it, it should be expected that any NFL fanbase will boo the entrance of a QB who had a meltdown and broke the league's pick six record. No avoiding that.
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I think it's like the cheering when Schaub got hurt. No one was happy he got hurt. Everyone was happy that another QB was going to get to play & they didn't care which one.

That's not Matt's fault. That's not the fans fault. That's whoever decided to stick by his guy & show an unwavering commitment. That was in game 6 after we've already lost three in a row & that QB had already set the record for most consecutive games with a pick 6. The game prior that was especially ugly; he finished with three ints (pick 6 included) & a passer rating below 40 (that's the easier to score highly passer rating, not QBR). He got pulled in that game, but instead of letting the back up try to win it, we start resting our starters.

It might have appeared that the fanbase was booing Schaub, but they were really booing the decision to put Schaub in the game. It made no sense. & while I believe recent history says we had no chance of coming back with Case (c'mon, we hadn't moved the ball all game long & he generally plays better in the first half) we'll never know. That very well could have been the game that started the Case Keenum legend.

To add insult to injury, it played out like just about everyone in the stadium not named Gary Kubiak thought was most probable. Four trips to the red zone, no TDs, lost game.

I think it was a ballsy call by Kubiak. All chips to the center of the table. I'm sure he knew it wouldn't be popular.
 
dalemurphy said:
What does criticizing someone's words have to do with freedom of speech?

Do you really believe that freedom of speech means everyone should agree with you or remain silent? That is a myopic view of the world, to say the least.
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Ya know.. If bob cleans house and hires a proper gm and hc, and they really turn things around.. I'm going to remember which side you were on during these dark times. You are either with the repressive entity, or against it. Keep your head in the sand, i'll let you know when it's safe to come out :D
 
Norg said:
on that last play Hopkins and Garrett were wide OPEN


Hopkins was damm near sittin on the 5 yard line

I don't know why u throw it to ANdre when hes blanketed by like 4 Raiders


also matt throw the ball 2 soon he could of stood in the pocket a lot longer the rusher on his left fell right on his face
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someone please post a screen grab, PLEASE.
 
AJ is class. I think we saw what MS is on the sideline after the game. Watching MS at podium after game. He is just so happy to be in spotlight again.
 
Matt Schaub mentally is the worst qb in nfl history... yes that includes David Carr. Kubiak is the stupidest coach in nfl history.
 
I can see why Matt was so frustrated with the team (false starts, etc.) when he came back in--he is fighting for his job & all that (although he doesn't actually deserve it)--but he should know better than to show his frustration toward Andre Johnson. That's the last guy he needs to be seen yelling at. Even if it were to turn out that he was right and AJ made some kind of mistake, AJ has such a stellar reputation as a consummate professional....AND everyone can see now how many TDs AJ might have had over the years with a different QB too...

Mattie picked the wrong guy to pick on. Really ought to apologize publicly for his own sake, before there is a lynch mob at his door.

PS-I can't bring myself to bring out the pink soap. Just can't do it after the man had a stroke on the sideline. I am ready to see his replacement though.
 
cstyle42 said:
Matt Schaub mentally is the worst qb in nfl history... yes that includes David Carr. Kubiak is the stupidest coach in nfl history.
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This summarizes the absurdity and obnoxiousness of all the petulant and fickle fans.

"Matt Schaub mentally the worst QB in NFL history"? Wow! really? I guess his wins, the probowls, etc... are the result of his dependence on his special athletic and physical tools. Yeah, that must be it.
 
gafftop said:
AJ is class. I think we saw what MS is on the sideline after the game. Watching MS at podium after game. He is just so happy to be in spotlight again.
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I have a lot of respect for AJ as a person and teammate. I have no idea where you get the idea that Matt Schaub is an attention whore, though. That is out of left field. Schaub is consistently classy and yesterday's little episode on the sideline is the exception that proves the rule. Schaub never does anything to call out another teammate... it is an example of how frustrated he is and how frustrated AJ is. For those who have played team sports before- this is not a big deal. Disagreements happen all the time in the heat of the moment.

The Texans are 2-8. There is plenty to be frustrated about and nearly any player on the team has contributed some pretty big blunders to be in this position. Plenty of blame, no doubt, and Schaub shoulders a fair amount of it. Still, he's not "the" reason for it and watching the Texans lose 4 games in a row with Keenum starting should highlight that point pretty clearly.
 
dalemurphy said:
I have a lot of respect for AJ as a person and teammate. I have no idea where you get the idea that Matt Schaub is an attention whore, though. That is out of left field. Schaub is consistently classy and yesterday's little episode on the sideline is the exception that proves the rule. Schaub never does anything to call out another teammate... it is an example of how frustrated he is and how frustrated AJ is. For those who have played team sports before- this is not a big deal. Disagreements happen all the time in the heat of the moment.

The Texans are 2-8. There is plenty to be frustrated about and nearly any player on the team has contributed some pretty big blunders to be in this position. Plenty of blame, no doubt, and Schaub shoulders a fair amount of it. Still, he's not "the" reason for it and watching the Texans lose 4 games in a row with Keenum starting should highlight that point pretty clearly.
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Schaub is an easy target for two reasons .

1. Fans aren't sold on Matt , who is 47-43 as a starter . The QB gets to much credit and to much blame and as the team struggles , the QB is the face .

2. Matt is to a fluid athlete what Mount Cody is to ballet . What's that mean , he looks a lot worse right off the top . The eye test comes when the Texans stink vs top teams . Even when they have the game won ... say ... vs Seattle and he tosses a pick 6 , then says we have to play better as a team , do you realize he ain't one of them ( top notch QBs ) .

At the end of the day Matt is a system QB with decent stats but he can't get you any further than the Texans have been . Heck he can't even fetch 500 anymore . Why ... his skills and Kubiak's catering to the lack of is toast . :roast:
 
dalemurphy said:
I have a lot of respect for AJ as a person and teammate. I have no idea where you get the idea that Matt Schaub is an attention whore, though. That is out of left field. Schaub is consistently classy and yesterday's little episode on the sideline is the exception that proves the rule. Schaub never does anything to call out another teammate... it is an example of how frustrated he is and how frustrated AJ is. For those who have played team sports before- this is not a big deal. Disagreements happen all the time in the heat of the moment.

The Texans are 2-8. There is plenty to be frustrated about and nearly any player on the team has contributed some pretty big blunders to be in this position. Plenty of blame, no doubt, and Schaub shoulders a fair amount of it. Still, he's not "the" reason for it and watching the Texans lose 4 games in a row with Keenum starting should highlight that point pretty clearly.
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Uh, you do realize that this was our superstar player, don't you? This guy is a Boy Scout, and is adored by everyone. If HE can get frustrated to the point of a heated exchange, that's an indictment on this team. This was not "just another scuffle" between players. This was symbolic.

And you just refuse to believe that your man crush head coach is responsible for this mess, I see. But you will see the light when he's unemployed at the end of the season.

When the star player responds with "I'm under contract" when asked if he wants to stay here, that's proof heads need to roll.


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dalemurphy said:
I have a lot of respect for AJ as a person and teammate. I have no idea where you get the idea that Matt Schaub is an attention whore, though. That is out of left field. Schaub is consistently classy and yesterday's little episode on the sideline is the exception that proves the rule. Schaub never does anything to call out another teammate... it is an example of how frustrated he is and how frustrated AJ is. For those who have played team sports before- this is not a big deal. Disagreements happen all the time in the heat of the moment.

The Texans are 2-8. There is plenty to be frustrated about and nearly any player on the team has contributed some pretty big blunders to be in this position. Plenty of blame, no doubt, and Schaub shoulders a fair amount of it. Still, he's not "the" reason for it and watching the Texans lose 4 games in a row with Keenum starting should highlight that point pretty clearly.
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:kubepalm:
 
dalemurphy said:
First of all, it was double coverage. Second, I did not think it was a good decision and likely not a good throw. I'm not one of the fans pretending like the 8 losses are the result of a single player.

I'm just pointing out the obvious- on 4th down, with a chance to win the game, AJ quit on the play... That is what happened. Clearly, he is frustrated with the season. I get it. However, he allowed the frustration to diminish effort. As a fan, lack of focus and physical effort are the things I have the least tolerance for. I already know that Schaub's limited mobility and marginal arm are hurdles the team has to overcome in the redzone. The difference, however, is that he has no contol over those things. Effort is entirely within the control of each player on the field and on a couple plays today, AJ lacked effort when it mattered.
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Granted Andre was wide open on the play before that but Schaub didn't see him.
 
dalemurphy said:
This summarizes the absurdity and obnoxiousness of all the petulant and fickle fans.

"Matt Schaub mentally the worst QB in NFL history"? Wow! really? I guess his wins, the probowls, etc... are the result of his dependence on his special athletic and physical tools. Yeah, that must be it.
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I would have told you this 4 years ago and when he had the best offensive line in football to shield him. Kubiak played a part in shielding him as well as AJ and Foster. Put Schaub out there with pressure he is and has always been the worst mentally under pressure situations. Jump AJ save me and make my pass look decent at least lol what a joke. Fickle fans... try 2-8 and 11 years of BS. Super bowl? Why even say it when you can't get to a Afc championship game. This year cant even make the playoffs and you talking about fickle fans GTFO.
 
Kind of a random tweet by Rock Cartwright

Rock Cartwright ‏@Rockgotti25 1h
After watching the Texans and raiders game again.. There were some plays out there where Texans WR stopped on routes. #justsaying
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HOU-TEX said:
Kind of a random tweet by Rock Cartwright
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That's the message sent to Kubiak by the players. You go from one qb to another because of favoritism not because you felt he was better for the situation/playcalling that's just not what winning organizations do so since it isn't about that the receivers decided to play limited like the quarterback that got subbed in. I quite frankly believe running the full routes and not being seen so many times for games just has those receivers so frustrated their attitude with Schaub in is... F it!
 
HOU-TEX said:
Kind of a random tweet by Rock Cartwright
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Most people probably don't even know who Rock is but he played for the Redskins and Raiders as a back-up FB and did some kick returning. I also grew up two houses down from him in Conroe and he was a beast in every sport.
 
cstyle42 said:
That's the message sent to Kubiak by the players. You go from one qb to another because of favoritism not because you felt he was better for the situation/playcalling that's just not what winning organizations do so since it isn't about that the receivers decided to play limited like the quarterback that got subbed in. I quite frankly believe running the full routes and not being seen so many times for games just has those receivers so frustrated their attitude with Schaub in is... F it!
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I watched Matt warm up in the Colts game in the 2nd quarter . This after Keenum lit it up and at that time I thought this dude has no clue . What he had was a wink from Kubiak that Case was temporary . Case has 8 td passes and Matt has 8 TD passes ( 12 if you count the other teams Tds ) and Matt's been in more games .
 
AJ isnt going anywhere. We always upped the ante financially when we feels underpaid and just because we have some turmoil doesnt mean AJ wants to leave or that we should deal AJ. We are in the business of winning games and AJ is going to be a huge part of that.

I think that AJ has proven he still has a few solid years left in him even after half of Houston left him for dead during the 2011 season. AJ is going to be a big part of what this franchise's next coaching regime does. End of thread.
 
Blake said:
AJ isnt going anywhere. We always upped the ante financially when we feels underpaid and just because we have some turmoil doesnt mean AJ wants to leave or that we should deal AJ. We are in the business of winning games and AJ is going to be a huge part of that.

I think that AJ has proven he still has a few solid years left in him even after half of Houston left him for dead during the 2011 season. AJ is going to be a big part of what this franchise's next coaching regime does. End of thread.
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In the business of winning what?
 
kingtexan said:
AJ will ask for a trade.

Watt will do the same.

Kubiak and Matt will still be here next year.

Houston sucks for football, has since Bum left ...
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Step off the ledge..

AJ will not ask for a trade

Neither will Watt

Kubiak and Matt won't be here next season.. so embrace that, they're both already packing

Houston doesn't suck for football.. we just need new direction, the Saints even became a respectable team so it can happen here.

I'm tired of all of these.. "Watt's going to leave/woe is us" threads. Suck it up. Yes we suck, but that doesn't mean we'll always suck, sucking now will bring about change. Just sit back and watch the show.. and the show is called "how many different ways can Kubiak **** can himself" It's quite entertaining.
 
Marcus said:
When did you see him sulking on the sidelines?
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If "sulking" is too hard a word for you, we can go with any of the other synonyms, including but not limited to: brooding, cheerless, crabby, depressed, dismal, dour, fretful, frowning, gloomy, glum, gruff, grumpy, ill-humored, irritable, mean, moody, moping, morose, obstinate, ornery, pouting, pouty, sour, sourpussed, sulking, withdrawn.

A buddy of mine (a former Schaub guy, btw) has been at the last two home games (Colts, Raiders) and texted me throughout both. Schaub does not get involved with the QB meetings on the sideline when they are looking at overhead pictures and making adjustments. It has really bothered him because he thought Schaub was not like this, which really reminded him of the way Warren Moon used to sort of sulk by himself instead of being a leader.

Schaub is a grown assed man who has been a leader of this team for years. The message he has been sending with body language and pouty attitude speaks volumes about his mindset.

For instance, take a guy like Kurt Warner, who was a much better QB than Schaub and had much greater success. Even when he was a backup with the Giants and Cardinals, he was always involved in helping to develop the younger QBs ahead of him. He was a true team player and shared his knowledge, wisdom, and insight of the game with other QBs.

Then look at Schaub, off by himself, grim look on his face, and it's hard not to form a less-than-favorable opinion of him as a player.

Honoring Earl 34 said:
If AJ quit it was because the ball shouldn't have been thrown to him . It's at the 4:04 mark . he was in the slot at the inside of the T and the ball ended up at the E in Texans , with a lot of Raiders around .

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013111703/2013/REG11/raiders@texans#tab=recap&menu=highlights
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My immediate thought when I saw that pass was "WTF? Why was Schaub trying to force that pass??" Seemed like he was trying to prove a point instead of win the game.

That, or he just locked on a receiver and never saw anyone else open.

Either way, not a good look for a pro QB.

TexansSeminole said:
What I saw in the AJ play is a throw into triple coverage in which one defender stepped in front of AJs route. I don't see what AJ could have done differently, except maybe get absolutely smashed and still not catch the ball.
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yep. I honestly don't think AJ thought the ball would come his way with so many defenders right next to him. When there are 2-3 defenders on one receiver, surely there are other opportunities out there to be made by other receivers.

Not to write an excuse for AJ, but I think it was less 'quit' than it was assumption that nobody would be stupid enough to try that pass. JMO.

Norg said:
on that last play Hopkins and Garrett were wide OPEN
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That's what I was wondering about. Thanks for mentioning it.

Rey said:
Ted Johnson was saying that Andre was upset that Schaub locked in on him and forced the ball to him. He was saying that Schaub should have gone somewhere else with the ball. He ended to route early because he saw it wasn't there (likely to try to get open if Schaub miraculously bought some time).
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Pretty much confirms my gut reaction when it happened.

On one hand, he's had a rookie QB make some great passes that allowed AJ to show that he's still got it. Spectacular catches. Inspired. Things of beauty.

Then he sees a seasoned veteran, someone he's played with for years, try to force a pass to the worst possible spot in multiple coverage.

AJ walked off the field. I turned off the TV. We probably both thought the same thing: what a freakin' waste of time.
 
Double Barrel said:
If "sulking" ...
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I haven't seen people complaining about Keenum wearing his helmet standing by himself yesterday. Hmmm. Maybe neither one is sulking.

People have not Schaub's gomer pyle/droopy dog demeanor for as long as he has been here. It didn't become sulking over night or at least it shouldn't.

A buddy of mine (a former Schaub guy, btw) has been at the last two home games (Colts, Raiders) and texted me throughout both. Schaub does not get involved with the QB meetings on the sideline when they are looking at overhead pictures and making adjustments. It has really bothered him because he thought Schaub was not like this, which really reminded him of the way Warren Moon used to sort of sulk by himself instead of being a leader.
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Well that is odd because I would have said exactly the opposite. Schaub notably stayed away the first start Keenum got. Said at the time that was the right move. He has increasingly been talking to Keenum and the QB coach, pointing at the overheads, etc. since then.

For instance, take a guy like Kurt Warner, who was a much better QB than Schaub and had much greater success. Even when he was a backup with the Giants and Cardinals, he was always involved in helping to develop the younger QBs ahead of him. He was a true team player and shared his knowledge, wisdom, and insight of the game with other QBs.
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Well barring some better indication I will trust Keenum's own statements that Schaub has been very involved and helpful.
 
dalemurphy said:
This summarizes the absurdity and obnoxiousness of all the petulant and fickle fans.

"Matt Schaub mentally the worst QB in NFL history"? Wow! really? I guess his wins, the probowls, etc... are the result of his dependence on his special athletic and physical tools. Yeah, that must be it.
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schaub was at the right place at the right time.

most (if not all) nfl qb's could have achieved what he accomplished prior to the league catching on to kubiak's scheme and the strong talent around him.

once both of those factors deteriorated, the real schaub stood up. coincidentally it happened right around the time boy genius rick smith handed him that ludicrous contract extension.

and probowls are nothing to hang your hat on... for god's sake, wade smith was a probowler last year, and by all accounts he sucked (and continues to suck).
 
Carr Bombed said:
Step off the ledge..

AJ will not ask for a trade

Neither will Watt

Kubiak and Matt won't be here next season.. so embrace that, they're both already packing

Houston doesn't suck for football.. we just need new direction, the Saints even became a respectable team so it can happen here.

I'm tired of all of these.. "Watt's going to leave/woe is us" threads. Suck it up. Yes we suck, but that doesn't mean we'll always suck, sucking now will bring about change. Just sit back and watch the show.. and the show is called "how many different ways can Kubiak **** can himself" It's quite entertaining.
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that's not enough... rick smith HAS to go as well.
 
cstyle42 said:
Matt Schaub mentally is the worst qb in nfl history... yes that includes David Carr. Kubiak is the stupidest coach in nfl history.
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Everyone's dissapointed with this season, but joining the forum just post silly hyperbole adds no value to the discussion.
 
Brisco_County said:
Everyone's dissapointed with this season, but joining the forum just post silly hyperbole adds no value to the discussion.
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As far as extending the play... Schaub's mental lapses under pressure combined with his scared thoughts of being hit or just plain failing is the worst I've ever seen. Name someone worst in that one category... don't sit up here and think I'm just posting to post and talk meaningless trash. Think about this regarding to Matt Schaub as a qb. This is his first year where his line was average to below average and nfl defenses forced him to extend plays 8 out of 10 times... now you can see plain as day what Matt Schaub is and always was. As far as Kubiak goes there needs to be no explanation.
 
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