All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[GP]

You make that sound like a negative thing. I'm on pretty much the same page as Tex, he's a good but not great QB. So, unless we can find a legitimate top 10 QB, then there is simply no point in replacing him.

That being said, I hope we take a long, hard look in the upcoming draft to see if we can find a guy we think can be top 10.

Stock market.

You have to run an NFL team like you would if you were in the stock market.

Number 1 problem most amateur investors have is....waiting on a dog to improve.

"DOG" stock is that favorite stock you have that you just KNOW is going to end up being the big winner. So you wait. And you wait. The value drops a little, no worries. You wait on it. Then it drops a bit more. It's really dogging it now, no upward trend...just steadily falling a little at a time. So you wait.

Because such an investor can't find it within himself to put his dog out of its misery. I mean, it's not THAT bad. At that point, you lose objectivity.

Schaub is a stock that is dogging it. It might bounce back two points, but it will drop 3 next week. So on and so forth.

Gary is loyal. Gary doesn't like taking the dog stocks to the NFL vet.

 

[AJ-80]

All of this talk about replacing a QB is just that - talk. Shaub has 4 years, 60 million on his contract. There is no way in hell that anyone in management is going to waste all of that money. The problem isn't Shaub, the problem is that no one can *******ing play wide receiver besides Andre. Walter, Posey and Jean are just not cutting it. We HAVE to do something to get another receiver via either draft or trade to at least help.

 

[Pantherstang84]

All of this talk about replacing a QB is just that - talk. Shaub has 4 years, 60 million on his contract. There is no way in hell that anyone in management is going to waste all of that money. The problem isn't Shaub, the problem is that no one can *******ing play wide receiver besides Andre. Walter, Posey and Jean are just not cutting it. We HAVE to do something to get another receiver via either draft or trade to at least help.

Seriously?

 

[TexCanada]

Stock market.

You have to run an NFL team like you would if you were in the stock market.

Number 1 problem most amateur investors have is....waiting on a dog to improve.

"DOG" stock is that favorite stock you have that you just KNOW is going to end up being the big winner. So you wait. And you wait. The value drops a little, no worries. You wait on it. Then it drops a bit more. It's really dogging it now, no upward trend...just steadily falling a little at a time. So you wait.

Because such an investor can't find it within himself to put his dog out of its misery. I mean, it's not THAT bad. At that point, you lose objectivity.

Schaub is a stock that is dogging it. It might bounce back two points, but it will drop 3 next week. So on and so forth.

Gary is loyal. Gary doesn't like taking the dog stocks to the NFL vet.

Well, no. That's pretty much wrong.

It's more like we have a decent stock. If you can find a better one then lets do it. The reality is, however, that it isn't easy to find a better one.

The best best is to draft a player with potential and hope it pans out.

 

[GP]

Come on now, do you guys expect Gary to say something extreme to media right after NE game? Likely Gary really thinks Matt is good enough but, when you give enough time to rethink about situation, people tend to change their mind.

When we got rid of Carr I think Gary said the sane things.

Schaub isn't going anywhere, but even if he was gary's not coming out right after the game and even hinting at the possibility.

I think a lot of coaches and owners and GMs say "He's our man" and that's a sign that things are about to change for the guy they say they support.

I just think Kubiak really MEANS it. That's the problem.

Gary is not coach-speak when it comes to his loyalty to his players. From brain to mouth, ain't no mind tricks being played about this by Gary.

Anybody see Tate tonight? Forsett? Hell, I'm even worried about how Wade waits until the end of the game to put Mercilus into action.

This is an organization that travels at the pace of a glacier....no sudden moves, no quick-twitch reactions. And some people say the result in the field is ON THE PLAYERS? Who taught them to not worry, hakuna matata! No worries for the rest of your life?!?!

Tate is as good as gone. And I don't blame him. For as good as he might have it on this team, he probably is just a bit hungrier than the status quo. I think there's a lot of bad **** going on there with Tate and Kubiak and the whole fallout that's been happening with it all.

But, the crew on Kirby are C.I.A.'ish about it. Nothing to see here...we're just, uh, running an exercise, that's all. Pay no attention to what you see. Things are fine! Fine, I tell ya'. Right track and all that jazz, Texans Worthy!

Watching JJ Watt is about the only thing I can count upon bringing me any really satisfaction as a fan. And I said that, too, about Cushing. Same person those two. Relentless, professional from beginning to end, would die for everyone if they had to. Leave nothing on the field. Balls to the wall. 24/7.

This team, and I've said it awhile now, it MUST get a superstar QB who can basically go out, win, and make it on his own...without needing Gary's approval for every single thing. You have to have a QB, here, who is not afraid to show up the head coach. Good luck on THAT happening, btw.

 

[GP]

Well, no. That's pretty much wrong.

It's more like we have a decent stock. If you can find a better one then lets do it. The reality is, however, that it isn't easy to find a better one.

The best best is to draft a player with potential and hope it pans out.

No, a better stock manager is needed.

Ours is sticking with a dog stock, which happens to be maybe the most important stock.

He's stuck. If he bails on Schaub, he admits he failed. Then he has to regain trust by going out and getting "the next guy" to make things better. And if they don't get better, he thinks it's on him. For real, this time. So he's guilty of watching out for himself more than anything.

He's paralyzed in so many ways. His play calling, his inability to shake things up at QB, the uncertainty of going in a new direction.

Harbaugh, love him or hate him, he's trying to improve at the cost of maybe making the wrong pick at QB. He even brought in another kicker to push his veteran kicker. I don't personally like they guy, but from a football standpoint, in terms of TODAY'S NFL, I understand his thinking. I applaud it. Because he's in the NFCC game. We're discussing whether or not Matt Schaub can progress or not. And how there isn't another QB out there to take his place. Allegedly.

Didn't stop 49ers and Seahawks from taking a gamble on a couple of stocks that could replace a stock that was dogging it for awhile. Payoff!

Russell Wilson overcame multiple Lynch fumbles today, and overcame his porous defense that was letting the 49ers score at will. Wilson almost willed that team to victory.

Foster almost willed us to victory today, as did AJ, which they did last year too in the same divisional round as this year.

Imagine if we really had a QB who could move AND throw. Imagine it.

 

[AJ-80]

Seriously?

I'm not saying Matt Schaub is a super bowl quarterback. He's not. If we had a better option out there, I would go for it. But there isn't. Who do you want, Yates? Keenum? Hope for a lucky late round wonder at QB? There is too much money with Shaub at the moment to do anything w/ him. The productive thing to do would be to draft a WR in round 1 and hope he turns out to be a great player. Robert Woods, maybe?

 

[TexCanada]

No, a better stock manager is needed.

Ours is sticking with a dog stock, which happens to be maybe the most important stock.

He's stuck. If he bails on Schaub, he admits he failed. Then he has to regain trust by going out and getting "the next guy" to make things better. And if they don't get better, he thinks it's on him. For real, this time. So he's guilty of watching out for himself more than anything.

He's paralyzed in so many ways. His play calling, his inability to shake things up at QB, the uncertainty of going in a new direction.

Harbaugh, love him or hate him, he's trying to improve at the cost of maybe making the wrong pick at QB. He even brought in another kicker to push his veteran kicker. I don't personally like they guy, but from a football standpoint, in terms of TODAY'S NFL, I understand his thinking. I applaud it. Because he's in the NFCC game. We're discussing whether or not Matt Schaub can progress or not. And how there isn't another QB out there to take his place. Allegedly.

Didn't stop 49ers and Seahawks from taking a gamble on a couple of stocks that could replace a stock that was dogging it for awhile. Payoff!

Russell Wilson overcame multiple Lynch fumbles today, and overcame his porous defense that was letting the 49ers score at will. Wilson almost willed that team to victory.

Foster almost willed us to victory today, as did AJ, which they did last year too in the same divisional round as this year.

Imagine if we really had a QB who could move AND throw. Imagine it.

Imagining is great, but how do you make it reality? I would hope that our FO looks at an upgrade, but it's really not as easy to find one as you make it seem. I hope we use a first or second round pick on a QB, but that is far from a guarantee that there is an improvement.

 

[Textan]

Love it GP, and agree wholeheartedly. How do teams like San Fran and Seattle do it, yet the Texans seem to get the Carrs and Schaubs?
Schaub was just a tiny step up from Carr. We need a monumental step up from Schaub. This team will never compete with the likes of Green Bay, NE, San Fran, Seattle, New York, if that one major issue is not addressed.
Maybe they should send some scouts to San Fran and Seattle to see how exactly they were able to do what Houston Cannot.
Thinking back on the Oilers, did they ever acquire that elite QB?
Pastorini, nope.
Ken Stabler, just a tad washed up when we got him, if I recall correctly.
Warren, good, probably better than Schaub.
Nobody wants to compare the Oilers to our Texans.

the Oilers had their first winning season of the decade going 10-4 but did not make the playoffs. Injuries and inadequate offense doomed them to a 5-9 season in 1976

 

[thunderkyss]

Still looking at results instead of how the team plays....

Flacco, San Fran, and Denver were better teams this year.

Denver got a first round bye with manning and were competitive against a good ravens team. They were a few plays from winning. Yeah the results are the same, but that doesnt mean Tebow = Peyton.

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Tebow played better in last year's play-offs than Peyton did this year. If you're "watching them pay" you can't deny that. The Broncos exited the play-offs in the exact same spot they exited last year, same as us.

If I'm a Broncos fan, with the attitude you guys have, I'm wondering why in the heck we signed & hamstrung our team with this crippled Forest Gump has been, when we had the future of the NFL on our team.

Yeah, we'd have to run the pistol offense, or the option every now & then, but that dude was ball'n.

Think about it Rey, there isn't much difference between saying that & saying we're screwed with Schaub. I know what Manning has done in the past, & this year's Manning delivered pretty much his norm.... 1 & done in the play offs.

In the Playoffs, 290 yards, 3 TDs, 2 Ints, 1 lost fumble......

At least his special teams scored 14 points for him & he still lost.

If our ST would have scored 14 points for us we'd have scored the required 42 points to beat the Patriots.

 

[ThaJokaa]

Let TJ start the season, if we see that he's not getting it done put Schuab back in and let him finish

 

[silvrhand]

And this sums up my feelings.. I'm sorry I tried to be positive when Matt was having a good first few games, then he reverted. I don't know if it's Kubiak that's the constant check down, check down, don't make the mistake. Or if Matt just won't let it fly...

This is how I feel though..

 

[Tailgate]

Does anyone remember the Broncos game? I honestly thought we had our QB there for a second.

 

[powda]

I hate the "Houston we have a problem" quote so much. The only thing that saved you from neg rep was the awesome kotex pic.

 

[GNTLEWOLF]

I must say, many of the criticisms I have read about Schaub the last 4 weeks sound amazingly the same as some of the criticisms that were being raised about David carr his last two seasons here. Kinda makes me wonder if the old QB Guru Kubiak actually turns QB's great or if maybe the reason he couldn't work with Carr was because Carr was already what his finished product would be...
However, I also am wondering if anybody really believed the Texans had a snowball's chance in a blast furnace of beating the Pats tonight. The better team clearly won the game.
At any rate all of our disgust is for naught. After a 12-4 season neither Schaub nor Kubiak are going anywhere

 

[SAMURAITEXAN]

I think a lot of coaches and owners and GMs say "He's our man" and that's a sign that things are about to change for the guy they say they support.

I just think Kubiak really MEANS it. That's the problem.

Gary is not coach-speak when it comes to his loyalty to his players. From brain to mouth, ain't no mind tricks being played about this by Gary.

Anybody see Tate tonight? Forsett? Hell, I'm even worried about how Wade waits until the end of the game to put Mercilus into action.

This is an organization that travels at the pace of a glacier....no sudden moves, no quick-twitch reactions. And some people say the result in the field is ON THE PLAYERS? Who taught them to not worry, hakuna matata! No worries for the rest of your life?!?!

Tate is as good as gone. And I don't blame him. For as good as he might have it on this team, he probably is just a bit hungrier than the status quo. I think there's a lot of bad **** going on there with Tate and Kubiak and the whole fallout that's been happening with it all.

But, the crew on Kirby are C.I.A.'ish about it. Nothing to see here...we're just, uh, running an exercise, that's all. Pay no attention to what you see. Things are fine! Fine, I tell ya'. Right track and all that jazz, Texans Worthy!

Watching JJ Watt is about the only thing I can count upon bringing me any really satisfaction as a fan. And I said that, too, about Cushing. Same person those two. Relentless, professional from beginning to end, would die for everyone if they had to. Leave nothing on the field. Balls to the wall. 24/7.

This team, and I've said it awhile now, it MUST get a superstar QB who can basically go out, win, and make it on his own...without needing Gary's approval for every single thing. You have to have a QB, here, who is not afraid to show up the head coach. Good luck on THAT happening, btw.

I hear you GP. Like I said. Currently Gary is likely meant what he said about Matt however, give some time and reality may kicks in for Gary. I really like for us to look for QB with legs and a decent arm strength. If Matt had some legs today, the game would be much closer IMO.

 

[Surreal McCoy]

I must say, many of the criticisms I have read about Schaub the last 4 weeks sound amazingly the same as some of the criticisms that were being raised about David carr his last two seasons here. Kinda makes me wonder if the old QB Guru Kubiak actually turns QB's great or if maybe the reason he couldn't work with Carr was because Carr was already what his finished product would be...
However, I also am wondering if anybody really believed the Texans had a snowball's chance in a blast furnace of beating the Pats tonight. The better team clearly won the game.
At any rate all of our disgust is for naught. After a 12-4 season neither Schaub nor Kubiak are going anywhere

And rightly so.

 

[Rey]

Tebow played better in last year's play-offs than Peyton did this year. If you're "watching them pay" you can't deny that.

No point in debating if you think Tebow played better than manning in last years play offs.

Tebow did nothing until he threw that short slant that Thomas took the distance. Against the patriots he was awful.

But using your logic, Matt got no further and did nothing that Yates didn't do. In fact Yates was actually closer to winning than schaub was.

 

[MEGA SWATT]

And rightly so.

Not Matt. He needs to take the next train out of houston.

 

[GNTLEWOLF]

Love it GP, and agree wholeheartedly. How do teams like San Fran and Seattle do it, yet the Texans seem to get the Carrs and Schaubs?
Schaub was just a tiny step up from Carr. We need a monumental step up from Schaub. This team will never compete with the likes of Green Bay, NE, San Fran, Seattle, New York, if that one major issue is not addressed.
Maybe they should send some scouts to San Fran and Seattle to see how exactly they were able to do what Houston Cannot.
Thinking back on the Oilers, did they ever acquire that elite QB?
Pastorini, nope.
Ken Stabler, just a tad washed up when we got him, if I recall correctly.
Warren, good, probably better than Schaub.
Nobody wants to compare the Oilers to our Texans.

Isn't it funny that you mention Seattle as one of the NFL elites? Seriously, two years ago many people thought of them as a joke. Even last year they were just that team that was on the verge of making the next step. They rolled the dice, traded for a QB that as a back-up to AAron rogers showed a lot of promise then rolled the dice again and drafted the rookie that became the starter. They have gone from near joke to NFL elite in about 3 years. All the while the Texans have been trudging along at a snails pace...always on the right track.
Oh well, I guess for some 12-4 and winning one play-off game is good enough.

 

[AJ-80]

Not Matt. He needs to take the next train out of houston.

I think it should be the other way around. Kubiak deserves to get out of town more so than Shaub.

 

[GNTLEWOLF]

And rightly so.

I have to tell you... as much as I would like to see Kubiak replaced, I have to agree that it would be fool hardy to fire a coach whose team posted a 12-4 record. There are many teams that would love that success.
I'm just wanting the Texans to become Champions of the NFL, and I have my doubts about Kubiak's capabilities at getting that job done.

 

[Hookem Horns]

I think it should be the other way around. Kubiak deserves to get out of town more so than Shaub.

This team will never achieve greatness with either one. I would mortgage my house on that one.

 

[Vinny]

This team will never achieve greatness with either one. I would mortgage my house on that one.

but would you get a commission in doing so?

 

[thunderkyss]

Does anyone remember the Broncos game? I honestly thought we had our QB there for a second.

Do we even need to look back that far? When he felt he had to, he let the ball fly today. I saw a couple of throws he probably could have waited on, but by the time I looked back at Schaub, he was on his back.

Schaub has consitently looked good when we went with a hurry up offense. We have consistently not gone with a hurry up offense.

Schaub has consistently looked good when lined up 3+ WRs. We have consistently not lined up 3+ WRs.

& it's not just Schaub, but OD, Walter, AJ, Arian, they all look better when playing aggresively. Sure, there were a lot of "execution" problems when we run the "controlled" offense. But they have more space to catch & run when we put more receivers on the field.

I like Kubiak (been awhile since I said that & I don't know if I believe it) & I like the "control" philosophy, but when you've got a stable of stallions, don't treat them like mules.

I think we should let the offense run through Schaub & let Arian be our "back up" our safety valve. Running it through Arian & expecting Schaub to save us isn't working.

 

[MasterCush]

He looks like a doofis.

 

[Mr teX]

Im just about to the point i just want to see matt get shipped outta here just so some folks in here can see that the issues with this team are beyond him....that finding an upgrade isnt as easy as they think...im to the point im willing to see this team take a huge step back just so people can shut up.

We went thru this same stuff with mario last year...people swearing up and down that we'd be ok without him....how barwin was gonna step up....how we wont miss his production we can draft someone...blah blah blah....well a whole season later, our pass rush is pretty much trash outside of 1guy on the d-line and our starting olbs combined for a whopping 11 sacks between all 3....mario put up those numbers by himself....

 

[Vinny]

He looks like a doofis.

doofus is spelled with a u isn't it?

 

[Norg]

schaub signed a contract extension last year sadly he aint going no where he will be right here agian next year

 

[AJ-80]

Im just about to the point i just want to see matt get shipped outta here just so some folks in here can see that the issues with this team are beyond him....that finding an upgrade isnt as easy as they think...im to the point im willing to see this team take a huge step back just so people can shut up.

We went thru this same stuff with mario last year...people swearing up and down that we'd be ok without him....how barwin was gonna step up....how we wont miss his production we can draft someone...blah blah blah....well a whole season later, our pass rush is pretty much trash outside of 1guy on the d-line and our starting olbs combined for a whopping 11 sacks between all 3....mario put up those numbers by himself....

I completely agree with this. Who is the better option to Shaub? No one has an answer. Mario was the anchor of our defense and no one gave him credit for it. He commanded attention and it opened up a lot of easy tackles for Barwin and others.

 

[Norg]

the sad thing is This year the QB Free agency and the QB class does not look that good

so yall want Schaub benched or out of town cool who do yall want to replace him ...????

 

[midway]

No reason IMO to have Schaub locked in as the #1 guy moving forward.

$$$$$

 

[Mr teX]

I completely agree with this. Who is the better option to Shaub? No one has an answer. Mario was the anchor of our defense and no one gave him credit for it. He commanded attention and it opened up a lot of easy tackles for Barwin and others.

It was the same with the rockets and t-mac with fans In this city. people cried for 3-4 years about how t-mac wasnt doing this or that in the playoffs even though dudes numbers actually went up in those times...the rest of the team just couldn't do much to help him..so morey got him outta here and fans rejoiced in the streets. 3 years of lottery picks, a new coach, numerous failed advances towards other superstars and record setting dwindling attendance numbers later, we finally got that superstar....or so we think anyway. It remains to be seen if he'll be able to take us where we ultimately have been trying to go...his last foray in the playoffs though, he kinda disappeared...fans will never learn. I wonder if they'll turn on him too.

 

[Texecutioner]

I completely agree with this. Who is the better option to Shaub? No one has an answer. Mario was the anchor of our defense and no one gave him credit for it. He commanded attention and it opened up a lot of easy tackles for Barwin and others.

Mario was the anchor of our defense? Since when? He was supposed to be, but never could measure up. Watt is the anchor to our defense and what Mario was supposed to be. Barwin didn't have a great season until he played without Mario. The Texans never had a great defense until Mario wasn't on the field. Now he is sure lighting it up in Buffalo.

 

[dream_team]

Im just about to the point i just want to see matt get shipped outta here just so some folks in here can see that the issues with this team are beyond him....that finding an upgrade isnt as easy as they think...im to the point im willing to see this team take a huge step back just so people can shut up.

We went thru this same stuff with mario last year...people swearing up and down that we'd be ok without him....how barwin was gonna step up....how we wont miss his production we can draft someone...blah blah blah....well a whole season later, our pass rush is pretty much trash outside of 1guy on the d-line and our starting olbs combined for a whopping 11 sacks between all 3....mario put up those numbers by himself....

I almost agree with you... I hate seeing the Texans lose just to make a point.

I don't know why Schaub is the scapegoat here? Sure, he didin't have a great game, but are you seriously saying he's the #1 reason we lost this game? How about the defense giving up 41 points? The Patriots average 34 points/game, but somehow this top notch defense gives up even more? ILBs covering running backs? Not prepared for the hurry up offense? Harris covering their best receiver? They couldn't stop the Pats offense to even give the Texans a chance at a comeback.

I'm not blaming this game on the defense, but I'm just saying there's alot more problems on this team than just Schaub.

 

[thunderkyss]

I also am wondering if anybody really believed the Texans had a snowball's chance in a blast furnace of beating the Pats tonight. The better team clearly won the game.
At any rate all of our disgust is for naught. After a 12-4 season neither Schaub nor Kubiak are going anywhere

I did. I honestly thought Barwin was going to step up. I thought Kareem & Harris was going to shut down Welker. I thought Joseph or Manning was going to return one for 6. & I thought Arian was going to have a career day.

None of that happened & the only one who stepped up today was Schaub. The guy we knew couldn't do it on his own. I also thought Kubiak was gojng to step up and let it hang out, I'm most disappointed in him today.

Honestly, if Matt played like that in the Bengals game wouldnt you be satisfied with his performance? I know I would. Next to Brady he looked like hammered dog turd but that game would have beat Manning today.

 

[midway]

I did. I honestly thought Barwin was going to step up. I thought Kareem & Harris was going to shut down Welker. I thought Joseph or Manning was going to return one for 6. & I thought Arian was going to have a career day.

None of that happened & the only one who stepped up today was Schaub. The guy we knew couldn't do it on his own. I also thought Kubiak was gojng to step up and let it hang out, I'm most disappointed in him today.

Honestly, if Matt played like that in the Bengals game wouldnt you be satisfied with his performance? I know I would. Next to Brady he looked like hammered dog turd but that game would have beat Manning today.

Schaub... stepped up? I need some of what you're smoking.

 

[Vinny]

Schaub... stepped up? I need some of what you're smoking.

I think that's a natural high

 

[fiasco west]

Im just about to the point i just want to see matt get shipped outta here just so some folks in here can see that the issues with this team are beyond him....that finding an upgrade isnt as easy as they think...im to the point im willing to see this team take a huge step back just so people can shut up.

We went thru this same stuff with mario last year...people swearing up and down that we'd be ok without him....how barwin was gonna step up....how we wont miss his production we can draft someone...blah blah blah....well a whole season later, our pass rush is pretty much trash outside of 1guy on the d-line and our starting olbs combined for a whopping 11 sacks between all 3....mario put up those numbers by himself....

So true. You don't know what you have until it's gone... I think the same can be said about Kubiak if you look at what the Chargers did...or if the Falcons go on and win then same thing but opposite directions...

People were ready to get Mario out of here just because he's not a rah rah guy. He battles through injuries and actually looks worse because of that tendency to try to play through them.

But yeah, Mario is better than all of our other LBs not named Cushing by far. He looked even better in Wade's system too.

Too bad about the cap...personally though I'd rather give the big contract to Mario over Schaub. I mean our pass rush would be downright scary with him and Watt and Smith and it wouldn't even be fair.

 

[leebigeztx]

In the salary cap age, its impossible to build a team with no holes to cover up for the qb. The 49ers tried it last yr and almost worked until they went 1 for 13 on 3rd down. To me, qbs earn their money on 3rd down,red zone production. When you construct a plodding,methodical,ball control offense, you better convert 3rd downs and you better score tds. Matt Schaub has never been good in the red zone mainly because of his limitations. Unless you can draft a young andre, have a young gonzales,a top 5 ol, top 5 smotherin defense, you can't win big games in the playoffs with schaub.

I laughed a lot when posters said they would've beat ravens last with schaub as if they didn't see the regular season game. In the big moments, schaub is loking to fail. Look at that fumble tonight. He was trying to give up on the play, but somehow got out of it and still fumbled. Teams know if they put the game on schaub, he's gonna fail. If they pressure him, its either a negative play or a 0. Its not that hard, nor is the roster perfect, but its a lot better than 85 % of the rosters in the nfl.

 

[thunderkyss]

I completely agree with this. Who is the better option to Shaub? No one has an answer. Mario was the anchor of our defense and no one gave him credit for it. He commanded attention and it opened up a lot of easy tackles for Barwin and others.

I'm a Mario fan, but check this ut. Not only did Watt have a monster season, but Antonio had a career season & a prettg damn good one for a 3-4 De or a 4-3 DT. But the outside guys still couldn't find a sack lookng inside a paper bag.

 

[Vinny]

I'm a Mario fan, but check this ut. Not only did Watt have a monster season, but Antonio had a career season & a prettg damn good one for a 3-4 De or a 4-3 DT. But the outside guys still couldn't find a sack lookng inside a paper bag.

yeah, you would think the edge rushers would at least stumble into a few sacks this season.

 

[Mr teX]

So true. You don't know what you have until it's gone... I think the same can be said about Kubiak if you look at what the Chargers did...or if the Falcons go on and win then same thing but opposite directions...

People were ready to get Mario out of here just because he's not a rah rah guy. He battles through injuries and actually looks worse because of that tendency to try to play through them.

But yeah, Mario is better than all of our other LBs not named Cushing by far. He looked even better in Wade's system too.

Too bad about the cap...personally though I'd rather give the big contract to Mario over Schaub. I mean our pass rush would be downright scary with him and Watt and Smith and it wouldn't even be fair.

Bottom line is between barwin, mercilus and reed we got very little production and u cant have that out of those positions in wades defense....

 

[thunderkyss]

Schaub... stepped up? I need some of what you're smoking.

I know it's difficukt to see right now with all the hate flying around but he was by far our best player on offense today. He looked retarded trying to scramble for yardage or work outside the pocket. But at least he tried.

Askng him to extend drives with his legs or dodge pass rushers & make plays isn't a good game plan. When we put a bunch of receivers on the field & stepped up the tempo he looked like a startinv QB. Not his fault the guy running the show didn't maximize on what Schaub does well & tried to make him play someone elses game.

 

[fiasco west]

Bottom line is between barwin, mercilus and reed we got very little production and u cant have that out of those positions in wades defense....

I give Mercilus a pass...he's a rookie and this team should be past relying on rookies to play over their heads.

Reed was in and out, but doesn't have a excuse.

Barwin was horrible. Especially it being his contract year. I've rarely seen a guy play horribly in a contract year like he has.

 

[AndyWin]

Schaub's not gonna be able to make enough plays for us to win. He's a decent QB, but after watching Brady, Ryan, Flacco, Kaepernick, Wilson, etc... make big plays and get the ball DOWN field... I realized the Texans were lightyears behind these other teams on offense.

Our offense runs like molasses.

 

[Vinny]

I know it's difficukt to see right now with all the hate flying around but he was by far our best player on offense today. He looked retarded trying to scramble for yardage or work outside the pocket. But at least he tried.

Askng him to extend drives with his legs or dodge pass rushers & make plays isn't a good game plan. When we put a bunch of receivers on the field & stepped up the tempo he looked like a startinv QB. Not his fault the guy running the show didn't maximize on what Schaub does well & tried to make him play someone elses game.

yeah, that is a hard one to see all right. What sold you? That lackadaisical ten min drive when the game was over? The slow mosey huddles when the team was down 18 with less than a full 4th quarter to go? Was it when he threw the 3rd down (and 4) pass out of bounds as soon as he beat the pass rush? Was it when he snapped his scoreless streak at 19 quarters without a TD pass?....in garbage time. Perhaps the moon-walk fumble double-dribble as he bought some time with his feet?

http://www.csnne.com/football-new-e...nce-the-elephant-i?blockID=823145&feedID=3352

 

[Mr teX]

In the salary cap age, its impossible to build a team with no holes to cover up for the qb. The 49ers tried it last yr and almost worked until they went 1 for 13 on 3rd down. To me, qbs earn their money on 3rd down,red zone production. When you construct a plodding,methodical,ball control offense, you better convert 3rd downs and you better score tds. Matt Schaub has never been good in the red zone mainly because of his limitations. Unless you can draft a young andre, have a young gonzales,a top 5 ol, top 5 smotherin defense, you can't win big games in the playoffs with schaub.

I laughed a lot when posters said they would've beat ravens last with schaub as if they didn't see the regular season game. In the big moments, schaub is loking to fail. Look at that fumble tonight. He was trying to give up on the play, but somehow got out of it and still fumbled. Teams know if they put the game on schaub, he's gonna fail. If they pressure him, its either a negative play or a 0. Its not that hard, nor is the roster perfect, but its a lot better than 85 % of the rosters in the nfl.

But this is the case for every single qb in the league not named brady, manning, rothlisberger, rodgers and brees. I could take your post scratch out schaub's name and put matt ryan, joe flacco or any 25 other starting qbs in the nfl not named the above mentionedtop 5 and it would be just as valid. Hell up until today matt ryan was thought to be this huge choke artist in atl.. U gotta put these things into perspective man.

 

[midway]

I know it's difficukt to see right now with all the hate flying around but he was by far our best player on offense today. He looked retarded trying to scramble for yardage or work outside the pocket. But at least he tried.

Askng him to extend drives with his legs or dodge pass rushers & make plays isn't a good game plan. When we put a bunch of receivers on the field & stepped up the tempo he looked like a startinv QB. Not his fault the guy running the show didn't maximize on what Schaub does well & tried to make him play someone elses game.

He didn't show up until after we were down by 20+ points. Garbage time stats don't mean ****.

 

[AndyWin]

He didn't show up until after we were down by 20+ points. Garbage time stats don't mean ****.

Exactly, all these Schaub loyalists are throwing stats out from today's game. How about we get the ball DOWN field earlier in the game instead of punting every series then being down 3+ scores? Trash points and stats are such a mind fogger, it's amazing.