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All encompassing 2023 Draft thoughts thread.

Texansphan said:
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Post #687 was self explanatory.
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You stand alone as far as I can tell, but I will offer this in rebuttal:

  • Elite size with a massive wingspan.
  • Posted high-end production with extensive upside still available.
  • Controls tight ends at the point of attack.
  • Wrecks run plays with hard back-side crash.
  • Length allows for improbable tackles from distance.
  • Swings long levers for slap-and-swim rush wins.
  • Inside stab move knocks tackle off-balance and opens rush door inside.
  • Cuts through the B-gap and into the pocket on end-tackle twists.
  • Possesses traits to grab early control of the rush rep with more work.
  • Slices through redirection and recovery blocks like butter.

    Tyree Wilson is a top 5 talent and Keion White is a fringe first rounder on every big board I've seen. No way would I take White over Wilson...
 
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Texansphan said:
Looked like Rodney Thomas should have intercepted that pass to Akins.
Cue the Twilight Zone theme?
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Good eye, wondered when someone would pick up on that, tank job. Well coached team those Colts.

Suppose everyone saw Peter Schrager mock today? Texans swap picks with Colts in exchange for Forrest Buckner. Now we can look forward to facing a well coached Colts team with a QB, named CJ Stroud.

 
Texansphan said:
Looked like Rodney Thomas should have intercepted that pass to Akins.
Cue the Twilight Zone theme?
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When I saw that play happen live I knew then the Colts let the Texans win. I was even more upset after the that. lol

Even how they defended the two point conversion seemed questionable.
 
Nicole Lynn who just negotiated Jalen Hurts contract extension represents Will Anderson. She is setting up pretty strong stable of athletes.
 
beerlover said:
A meaningless game now takes on profound meaning one week away from consequences.
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History is full of key plays that impacted the next decade for many teams:
The tuck rule (Patriots)
The catch (49er's)
The immaculate reception (Steelers)
The fumble (Cleveland Browns)

I fear the Hail Mary catch in the Colts game will impact the Texans for several years - negatively.
 
JB said:
Tyree Wilson is a top 5 talent and Keion White is a fringe first rounder on every big board I've seen.
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A lot of that has to do with familiarity. Wilson was a top ranked HS recruit that after settling in at Tech blossomed into a real force. White was a nobody out of HS that put it together on the field in his 6th college year. That's a big difference. But in terms of how they are playing right now, Wilson and White have a lot of similarities in their games. Both have pro bodies with plus athleticism for their size. Both rely on the bull rush to a large extent. Both are great at chasing down backside plays.

One of them has a foot injury and has yet to workout during the draft process. And while I fully expect Wilson to go well ahead of White, the value play is White later in the draft. You could end up with a player that's very close in ability, at a much lower draft value price.
 
This is why the Texans should never trade with the Colts or in Division for that matter. Peter Schrager Mock Draft is clever and entertaining that’s about all to it, to be fair he admitted it as well.

Legitimate trading partner would more likely be NFC team. So several teams who might want a QB, that are reasonably in striking range, would be the Seahawks. Panthers interestingly would trade down with Houston, but want the 12th pick. Bears would have done it early for 33rd, but Caserio backed out and better offers soon followed. Maybe Bears might want to trade back up? Who knows? All we can do is evaluate the prospects and make our best case.
 
Lucky said:
A lot of that has to do with familiarity. Wilson was a top ranked HS recruit that after settling in at Tech blossomed into a real force. White was a nobody out of HS that put it together on the field in his 6th college year. That's a big difference. But in terms of how they are playing right now, Wilson and White have a lot of similarities in their games. Both have pro bodies with plus athleticism for their size. Both rely on the bull rush to a large extent. Both are great at chasing down backside plays.

One of them has a foot injury and has yet to workout during the draft process. And while I fully expect Wilson to go well ahead of White, the value play is White later in the draft. You could end up with a player that's very close in ability, at a much lower draft value price.
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Spot on with this take Lucky 🍀
 
Toro Bravo said:
History is full of key plays that impacted the next decade for many teams:
The tuck rule (Patriots)
The catch (49er's)
The immaculate reception (Steelers)
The fumble (Cleveland Browns)

I fear the Hail Mary catch in the Colts game will impact the Texans for several years - negatively.
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Perhaps we could call that play the "Hail naw!"
 
I think the possibility of Will Anderson ED at #2 and Will Levis QB at #12 is a very distinct possibility for Texans and here's why.
#1 Carolina - Bryce Young
#2 Houston - Will Anderson
#3 Arizona - Tyree Wilson
#4 Indianapolis - CJ Stroud
#5 Seattle - Jalen Carter
#6 Detroit - Devon Witherspoon
#7 Las Vegas - Christopher Gonzalez
#8 Atlanta - Bijan Robinson
#9 Chicago - Paris Johnson or P. Skoronski
#10 Phil - Lukas Van Ness or Myles Murphy
#11 Tennessee - Anthony Richardson or Will Levis
#12 Houston - Will Levis or Anthony Richardson

This seems logical, but the draft usually has a surprise or two.
You will notice there is no trade in this scenario - this is more plausible than you may think as this is a pretty strong draft and teams may well save their draft picks and let the board come to them.
It will be interesting to see if anyone breaks rank.
If Las Vegas takes either AR or W Levis, Tenn could take the remaining one. This will leave Texans in a quandary or they can just take a quality CB in Gonzales or another prospect they have their eye on and take a punt on Hooker at #33.
 
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Texansphan said:
I think the possibility of Will Anderson ED at #2 and Will Levis QB at #12 is a very distinct possibility for Texans and here's why.
#1 Carolina - Bryce Young
#2 Houston - Will Anderson
#3 Arizona - Tyree Wilson
#4 Indianapolis - CJ Stroud
#5 Seattle - Jalen Carter
#6 Detroit - Devon Witherspoon
#7 Las Vegas - Christopher Gonzalez
#8 Atlanta - Bijan Robinson
#9 Chicago - Paris Johnson or P. Skoronski
#10 Phil - Lukas Van Ness or Myles Murphy
#11 Tennessee - Anthony Richardson or Will Levis
#12 Houston - Will Levis or Anthony Richardson

This seems logical, but the draft usually has a surprise or two.
You will notice there is no trade in this scenario - this is more plausible than you may think as this is a pretty strong draft and teams may well save their draft picks and let the board come to them.
It will be interesting to see if anyone breaks rank.
If Las Vegas takes either AR or W Levis, Tenn could take the remaining one. This will leave Texans in a quandary or they can just take a quality CB in Gonzales or another prospect they have their eye on and take a punt on Hooker at #33.
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As much as I hate this scenario, if the Colts are going to end up with Stroud anyway, I would prefer the Texans to trade #2 to the Colts for #4 and #79 3rd round pick. At least we get something out of it. Either Anderson or Wilson will be there at 4.
 
Toro Bravo said:
As much as I hate this scenario, if the Colts are going to end up with Stroud anyway, I would prefer the Texans to trade #2 to the Colts for #4 and #79 3rd round pick. At least we get something out of it. Either Anderson or Wilson will be there at 4.
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They would need to give up at least 4, 35 and 79
 
49ers first pick in this draft is at the bottom of the 3rd round - #99.
If the Texans cannot get Bryce Young and are unsure of the rest, then offering a higher draft pick may appeal very much to the 49ers.
Texans target would be Trey Lance and the offer would be #33.
If they are leaning that way, the time to do it would be now for maximum value to the 49ers franchise.
It would suddenly raise the excitement level in the San Francisco fan base and that is a good thing for their franchise.
TL would be preferable to anyone not named Bryce Young in this draft and I think Texans FO would be loathe to give up #2 and #12.
I believe Texans are very much in the hunt for a viable option at the QB position and we will see one with strong potential brought into Kirby as our starter.
Cal seems very keen and tuned in to this so I imagine something is going to happen to bring a high potential guy in here.
This week up to and including the draft is going to be worth keeping an eye on.
 
Texansphan said:
49ers first pick in this draft is at the bottom of the 3rd round - #99.
If the Texans cannot get Bryce Young and are unsure of the rest, then offering a higher draft pick may appeal very much to the 49ers.
Texans target would be Trey Lance and the offer would be #33.
If they are leaning that way, the time to do it would be now for maximum value to the 49ers franchise.
It would suddenly raise the excitement level in the San Francisco fan base and that is a good thing for their franchise.
TL would be preferable to anyone not named Bryce Young in this draft and I think Texans FO would be loathe to give up #2 and #12.
I believe Texans are very much in the hunt for a viable option at the QB position and we will see one with strong potential brought into Kirby as our starter.
Cal seems very keen and tuned in to this so I imagine something is going to happen to bring a high potential guy in here.
This week up to and including the draft is going to be worth keeping an eye on.
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If Trey Lance was worth anything he'd be starting for the 49ers next season or they would continue to be working on developing him. The team that falls for the Trey Lance "banana in the tailpipe" trick deserves exactly what they get.
 
Hervoyel said:
If Trey Lance was worth anything he'd be starting for the 49ers next season or they would continue to be working on developing him. The team that falls for the Trey Lance "banana in the tailpipe" trick deserves exactly what they get.
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Meh, they obviously did their homework on him prior to giving up 3 firsts to net him.
49ers have not committed to who is their starter due to injuries to both TL and BP - saying that TL will have a chance to prove himself and I imagine he is working hard to do so.
 
Texansphan said:
Meh, they obviously did their homework on him prior to giving up 3 firsts to net him.
49ers have not committed to who is their starter due to injuries to both TL and BP - saying that TL will have a chance to prove himself and I imagine he is working hard to do so.
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What did he do on his S2? :) That's what really matters here!
 
Texansphan said:
I think the possibility of Will Anderson ED at #2 and Will Levis QB at #12 is a very distinct possibility for Texans and here's why.
#1 Carolina - Bryce Young
#2 Houston - Will Anderson
#3 Arizona - Tyree Wilson
#4 Indianapolis - CJ Stroud
#5 Seattle - Jalen Carter
#6 Detroit - Devon Witherspoon
#7 Las Vegas - Christopher Gonzalez
#8 Atlanta - Bijan Robinson
#9 Chicago - Paris Johnson or P. Skoronski
#10 Phil - Lukas Van Ness or Myles Murphy
#11 Tennessee - Anthony Richardson or Will Levis
#12 Houston - Will Levis or Anthony Richardson

This seems logical, but the draft usually has a surprise or two.
You will notice there is no trade in this scenario - this is more plausible than you may think as this is a pretty strong draft and teams may well save their draft picks and let the board come to them.
It will be interesting to see if anyone breaks rank.
If Las Vegas takes either AR or W Levis, Tenn could take the remaining one. This will leave Texans in a quandary or they can just take a quality CB in Gonzales or another prospect they have their eye on and take a punt on Hooker at #33.
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VanNess or Murphy at #12.
 
JB said:
If they took Anderson at 2, would you take another edge at 12?
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No. Anderson is an Edge/LB and Van Ness is a DE.

Let's see, we currently have Greenard, Harris, Hughs, Odeleye, Rivers and Winovich at DE.

So, can we upgrade at the DE position? I hadn't looked at who we still had on the team, until just now.

Draft profile on VanNess says he can play inside or outside. I take this to mean he could move over into the DT position, as well.
 
Number19 said:
No. Anderson is an Edge/LB and Van Ness is a DE.

Let's see, we currently have Greenard, Harris, Hughs, Odeleye, Rivers and Winovich at DE.

So, can we upgrade at the DE position? I hadn't looked at who we still had on the team, until just now.

Draft profile on VanNess says he can play inside or outside. I take this to mean he could move over into the DT position, as well.
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So, if they took Anderson at 2 you would not take a DE at 12. What would you look for? CB? TE?
If they did take a DE at 12, I think I would prefer White or Murphy over Van Ness
 
Number19 said:
No. Anderson is an Edge/LB and Van Ness is a DE.

Let's see, we currently have Greenard, Harris, Hughs, Odeleye, Rivers and Winovich at DE.

So, can we upgrade at the DE position? I hadn't looked at who we still had on the team, until just now.

Draft profile on VanNess says he can play inside or outside. I take this to mean he could move over into the DT position, as well.
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I'm a big believer in Lance's draft profiles. Here is his ranking at edge/DE

https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/participants/de/all-colleges/
 
JB said:
So, if they took Anderson at 2 you would not take a DE at 12. What would you look for? CB? TE?
If they did take a DE at 12, I think I would prefer White or Murphy over Van Ness
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The original question was, would I take another edge rusher at 12 if I took Anderson at 2. I responded no, but I would take Van Ness who is a DE. Edge and DE are two different positions in my opinion.
 
JB said:
Therein lies the difference in opinion. 4-3DE's are edge players if you are expecting a pass rush from them. 3-4 DE's not so much
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Anderson is a "tweener". His ideal position is a 34 outside LB. In a 43, I would not play him at DE, especially not on first or second downs. He'll be a non factor in games where he is lined up against elite OTs. He's either a SAM or WILL linebacker. In a 43, he could move up to the line as a 5th edge rusher, and either rush with his hand down or rush upright.
 
Number19 said:
Anderson is a "tweener". His ideal position is a 34 outside LB. In a 43, I would not play him at DE, especially not on first or second downs. He'll be a non factor in games where he is lined up against elite OTs. He's either a SAM or WILL linebacker. In a 43, he could move up to the line as a 5th edge rusher, and either rush with his hand down or rush upright.
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That's your opinion not shared by all the pro scouts
 
This would be a dream draft:-
2 CJ Stroud QB
12 Myles Murphy DE
33 J M Schmidt C
65 J Brents CB
73 Z Harrison ED
104 N Herbig LB
161 D Allen TE
188 P Nakua WR
203 A Bradford OL
230 C Young DL
259 C Brown RB

Value and talent all the way down.
Brents and Harrison may not fall quite that far but if they do, you have to take them.
Would be ecstatic with a haul like this.

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This is a fascinating list too.
If you're into rushing yards per carry...
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NCAA College Football FBS current individual Stats | NCAA.com

Discover the current NCAA FBS Football leaders in every stats category, as well as historic leaders.
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Of course you would have to factor in how good was his Oline, how good were the defenses he faced etc,.

Here's the all purpose yds - very educational
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Discover the current NCAA FBS Football leaders in every stats category, as well as historic leaders.
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Number19 said:
Anderson is a "tweener". His ideal position is a 34 outside LB. In a 43, I would not play him at DE, especially not on first or second downs. He'll be a non factor in games where he is lined up against elite OTs. He's either a SAM or WILL linebacker. In a 43, he could move up to the line as a 5th edge rusher, and either rush with his hand down or rush upright.
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Yep

I’d play him just like Micah Parsons!
 
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