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All encompassing 2022 draft thoughts thread

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LB "******’s explosiveness at 6-foot-2 and 260 pounds is a sight to behold and made him among the best run defenders and blitzers in college football, as he earned a 94.1 run defense and 91.8 pass-rush grade this year. The former is the third-best of the PFF College era — behind only Micah Parsons in 2019 and Reuben Foster in 2016. Of his 26 pressures (on 102 rushes), 10 were a sack while eight resulted in a quarterback hit."
Another tough one!
 
That bad?

You don't think he has 3 or 4 spectacular years in him?
Not really. A lisfranc repaired foot is a chronic wear down problem. His straight 40 run is impressive, but does not reflect maximum taxing of the lisfranc repair. The drills that would be most important are the ones he demonstrated in pretty mundane terms. As a CB, the fast start and stop as well as the sudden change of direction and the jumping will place constant stress on the lisfranc repair. After jumping for a ball, he would not uncommonly come down on one foot, something that could put too much stress on that foot. Lisfrancs universally will leave the foot weak to varying degrees, and with chronic pain when stressed...............both can easily lead to compensatory injuries.

He could fare decently in the NFL, but if even so, I wouldn't take bets long term.
 
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I’d still take RB, Breece Hall at 37 b/c he’s the best back in this draft. You guys need to watch his videos and observe how this guy finds the end zone from inside the 10 yard line. Even against stacked fronts….he scores. He can move and gain yards in chunks. If Texans secure this guy, their running game will be in good hands this season.
 
To further explain my stance on Stingley, he apparently was already having nondescript problems with his left foot in 2020. He then obviously significantly reinjured it in a preseason 2021 practice, but unwisely continued to try to play through it thru the first 3 games of the season, giving very compromised performances. He missed the next 2 games still trying to practice, until it was determined that he would require Lisfranc repair.

A good Lisfranc post repair prognosis is very closely tied to time of diagnosis to time of repair. The shorter the time interval, the better the prognosis............with the best prognosis associated with immediate repair. Stingley delayed the repair a very long period of time from when first noted in 2020. The significance of doing this is that it leads to the chronic weardown/removal of the cartilage from the surfaces of the lisfanc joint(s)........typically not good for an NFL CB prognosis.
 
I'm having difficulty seeing Spiller as a NFL lead back. One tackler brings him down too often. He's a 220 lb RB that runs like a 205 lber. The question I ask myself when looking at college players is, "What can this guy do that is special in the NFL?" The only guy on that list at #107 was Brian Robinson and his ability to run thru tackles. And he's not a lead back, just part of a RB by committee.

I know there's a lot of names tossed around when discussing RBs in this draft. But there are few that can actually be the guy right away. If a team doesn't take one early, then maybe just get 2 or 3 in the late rounds/priority UFAs. Maybe you can develop one of them. One guy that is under the radar is LSU's Tyrion Davis-Price, a true junior. Davis-Price only has 16 starts under his belt, but really came on last season. Needs development in the passing game, but is a strong interior runner with home run potential.

 
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To further explain my stance on Stingley, he apparently was already having nondescript problems with his left foot in 2020. He then obviously significantly reinjured it in a preseason 2021 practice, but unwisely continued to try to play through it thru the first 3 games of the season, giving very compromised performances. He missed the next 2 games still trying to practice, until it was determined that he would require Lisfranc repair.

A good Lisfranc post repair prognosis is very closely tied to time of diagnosis to time of repair. The shorter the time interval, the better the prognosis............with the best prognosis associated with immediate repair. Stingley delayed the repair a very long period of time from when first noted in 2020. The significance of doing this is that it leads to the chronic weardown/removal of the cartilage from the surfaces of the lisfanc joint(s)........typically not good for an NFL CB prognosis.

This is the reason I removed him from wanting him at #3.
 
I'm having difficulty seeing Spiller as a NFL lead back. One tackler brings him down too often. He's a 220 lb RB that runs like a 205 lber. The question I ask myself when looking at college players is, "What can this guy do that is special in the NFL?" The only guy on that list at #107 was Brian Robinson and his ability to run thru tackles. Abd he's not a lead back, just part of a RB by committee.

I know there's a lot of names tossed around when discussing RBs in this draft. But there are few that can actually be the guy right away. If a team doesn't take one early, then maybe just get 2 or 3 in the late rounds/priority UFAs. Maybe you can develop one of them. One guy that is under the radar is LSU's Tyrion Davis-Price, a true junior. Davis-Price only has 16 starts under his belt, but really came on last season. Needs development in the passing game, but is a strong interior runner with home run potential.

Everybody seems to be sleeping on Kyren Williams.
Watch a highlight reel of this guy - apparently he can do it all, but not too sure about his blocking.
 
Pros
  • Rare combination of size and athleticism
  • Elite hands and ball skills at all levels
  • Impressive timing on leaps
  • Crisp routes and success at all three levels of the defense
  • Uses height and strong hands to win almost all 50/50 balls
  • Experienced both outside and in the slot
  • Basketball skills add to superior catch ability
  • Dominated NCAA defenses
  • Size makes him a formidable downfield blocker
  • Smart receiver that finds the open spot
Cons
  • Lack of elite speed is compensated with size and football IQ
  • Didn’t measure at combine but should at Pro Day
  • Needs work on run blocking
  • Not quick off the line
  • Most experience was in the slot, not outside
Fantasy outlook
Drake London rates to be in the first round, usually as a Top-3 rookie wideout and has the chance of being the first name called for his position. Breaking his ankle last season short-circuited an electric performance on an otherwise ineffective Trojans’ team. London was described as “a quarterback’s best friend”. He was so proficient with receptions, that he didn’t need the ball thrown to him, merely “at him,” and he’d come down with it.
A perceived lack of top speed, and quickness getting there, is a downgrade by some scouts, but there is no arguing how well he played, and on a team without any other elements of an elite offense around him. London compares to Mike Evans who logged much the same measurables when he entered the NFL.
London needs to prove that the fractured ankle is not of any ongoing concern – and it isn’t expected to be. But his recovery meant that he wouldn’t have logged as fast in a 40-time back at the NFL Combine, so he’s delayed his personal Pro Day as long as he can.

London may not sport elite speed, but he’s been everything else that a team could want from their No. 1 wideout. While he was once described as a tremendously talented tight end, he is not slow. He is a factor on deep routes though his bread and butter is short and intermediate routes that maximizes his catching ability, size advantage and overall football intelligence.
There’s plenty to love about a 6-4 receiver with elite hands and pass-catching skills. Playing on a USC team that trailed in most games last year and that had no other real threats, London still managed to catch at least nine passes in all but one game and turned in over 130 yards in six of the eight. He’d be a great addition to a team with a young quarterback looking to establish a connection that could last for years.
And he’d be a potential rookie of the year if he ends up paired with one of the elite veteran quarterbacks.

I would not be upset if we take this guy.
I don’t think he makes it to 13, myself. But if he does that would be the prefect weapon for a young, up and coming QB with a strong arm.
 
And keeping with 40 times London did not even run the 40. But man, this kid is seriously talented. He reminds me of Mike Evans too. Lots of comps to Evans out there.
Except Evans averaged 20 yds per catch in college after only playing 1 yr of high school football. He's not Evans at all
 
I'm having difficulty seeing Spiller as a NFL lead back. One tackler brings him down too often. He's a 220 lb RB that runs like a 205 lber. The question I ask myself when looking at college players is, "What can this guy do that is special in the NFL?" The only guy on that list at #107 was Brian Robinson and his ability to run thru tackles. And he's not a lead back, just part of a RB by committee.

I know there's a lot of names tossed around when discussing RBs in this draft. But there are few that can actually be the guy right away. If a team doesn't take one early, then maybe just get 2 or 3 in the late rounds/priority UFAs. Maybe you can develop one of them. One guy that is under the radar is LSU's Tyrion Davis-Price, a true junior. Davis-Price only has 16 starts under his belt, but really came on last season. Needs development in the passing game, but is a strong interior runner with home run potential.


Not sure where you're getting one tackler bring him down stuff. His fundementals and vision is what makes people miss in short areas. He forces arm tackles which he runs through.
 
I’d still take RB, Breece Hall at 37 b/c he’s the best back in this draft. You guys need to watch his videos and observe how this guy finds the end zone from inside the 10 yard line. Even against stacked fronts….he scores. He can move and gain yards in chunks. If Texans secure this guy, their running game will be in good hands this season.
If the Texans draft Breece Hall at #37 he will go on to become rather average and ordinary playing behind a less than average an ordinary OL.
 
BOZEMAN — A blazing 40-yard dash highlighted Troy Andersen’s performance at the NFL scouting combine.
Andersen, a former two-way star at Montana State, topped all linebackers with a 40 time of 4.42 seconds Saturday night at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. That result in the combine’s flagship event, combined with strong numbers in other workouts, could move Andersen up NFL Draft boards.
“He’s going to be a day one starter at linebacker,” draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah said on the NFL Network shortly after Andersen ran his first 40. “In the fall, he was outstanding. Went to the Senior Bowl and was one of the better players down there. Then he comes out here and runs a 4.4. He’s eliminating any kind of questions you could have about his ability to come in and make an impact right now.”



Andersen’s 4.42-second 40 was tied for 17th among all players at the combine through Saturday (the fastest time so far is 4.28 from Baylor wide receiver Tyquan Thornton). Defensive backs and specialists are the only groups who have yet to work out at the combine.
Only two linebackers ran faster than Andersen at last year’ combine: Purdue’s Tyler Coyle (4.38) and Penn State’s Micah Parsons (4.39). Parsons was selected by the Dallas Cowboys with the 12th overall pick in the 2021 draft and went on to be the 2021 defensive rookie of the year and a first-team all-pro selection.
On Saturday, Andersen attempted two 40s that were unofficially clocked at 4.41 and 4.46 (some teams
“He is fun to watch. He just pulverizes blockers,” Jeremiah said on Saturday’s broadcast as Andersen ran his first 40. “He is outstanding in coverage. You saw the straight line speed there. You’ll see him once he changes directions in the field drills. He’s outstanding in that area as well.”
Andersen also posted a 10-foot, 8-inch broad jump (tied for fifth among linebackers) and a 36-inch vertical jump (tied for 13th).

Andersen has been considered a top-100 draft prospect by some analysts since November. That was before he led MSU to the Football Championship Subdivision title game and before he participated in the Senior Bowl, where he recorded the third-fastest max acceleration game.
“All the speed data is really going to help him,” Senior Bowl executive director Jim Nagy told 406mtsports.com last month. “You saw a fast guy on tape, you saw a guy that can close, but now having that data, which is more important than a 40-yard dash in shorts and a T-shirt… The fact that this guy can carry his pads and play at that speed is really going to help him.”
Brugler, Jeremiah, Kiper, McShay and Nagy expect Andersen to be selected on the draft’s second day, which is when the second and third rounds will take place.
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Former Montana State linebacker Troy Andersen runs the 40-yard dash during the NFL scouting combine on Saturday in Indianapolis.
Darron Cummings, Associated Press
“He’s going to find his way into the second round,” Jeremiah said as the NFL Network replayed Andersen’s 40. “The tape, the Senior Bowl and what that just was right there, he’s made some money.”
Andersen is set to appear at MSU’s pro day on April 4. The draft is scheduled to run from April 28-30 in Las Vegas.
Most of Andersen’s weaknesses, per analysts, revolve around his inexperience at linebacker.
Andersen began his MSU career as a running back and outside linebacker. After a Big Sky freshman of the year performance in 2017, he moved to quarterback a year later and earned an All-America honor (he set the Bobcat record for rushing touchdowns that season). He occasionally appeared on offense in 2019 but primarily played outside linebacker.
Knee surgery would’ve prevented Andersen from playing in the 2020 season, which was canceled because of COVID-19. He returned as a “Mike” (or inside) linebacker in 2021 and earned multiple accolades, including Big Sky defensive player of the year and first-team All-America.
"Montana State's Troy Andersen is one of the top risers of the week, and I really think he can be a second-round pick," McShay wrote in in an article
Despite changing positions multiple times, he impressed at the FCS level, dominated at the Senior Bowl and then posted a 4.42 in t"he 40 at the combine. He's potentially a Day 1 starter. Seriously."
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Well we won't be using our second round pick on Andersen, maybe our first third if he's there, but he's for sure an impressive prospect.
 
If the Texans draft Breece Hall at #37 he will go on to become rather average and ordinary playing behind a less than average an ordinary OL.
I am not into drafting a running back at number 37. However if we improve offensive guard and the rest of the offensive line improves even slightly ; tonsil returns with the ability he had in his two pro bowl seasons, would not a very good running back like hall or Walker do well?
 
If the Texans draft Breece Hall at #37 he will go on to become rather average and ordinary playing behind a less than average an ordinary OL.

The Texans are more than capable of adding a couple of OG’s in this draft along with Breece Hall. The OL will be a 2 year project anyways. Breece Hall would be splitting reps this season, while letting the line gel, and learning the playbook. The Texans would have the best back in the 2022 NFL Draft.
 
The Texans are more than capable of adding a couple of OG’s in this draft along with Breece Hall. The OL will be a 2 year project anyways. Breece Hall would be splitting reps this season, while letting the line gel, and learning the playbook. The Texans would have the best back in the 2022 NFL Draft.
to go along with one of the worst rushing teams in the league.
 
So let's assume the Texans just telegraphed their draft and are going OL, OL, CB in some order. What would they look like at the current draft positions?

(3) Sauce Gardner - CB
(13) Trevor Penning - OT
(37) Tyler Smith - OG

(3) Evan Neal - OT
(13) Tyler Linderbaum - OC
(37) Kaiir Elam - CB

(3) Icky Ekwonu - OG
(13) Trent McDuffie - CB
(37) Bernhard Raimann - OT

Which grouping would you prefer?
 
Looks like Texans are looking for a late round/udfa dual threat option. Add D’eriq King to the list:



I like this guy.


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So let's assume the Texans just telegraphed their draft and are going OL, OL, CB in some order. What would they look like at the current draft positions?

(3) Sauce Gardner - CB
(13) Trevor Penning - OT
(37) Tyler Smith - OG

(3) Evan Neal - OT
(13) Tyler Linderbaum - OC
(37) Kaiir Elam - CB

(3) Icky Ekwonu - OG
(13) Trent McDuffie - CB
(37) Bernhard Raimann - OT

Which grouping would you prefer?

The first group.
 
Check this guy out - his only knock is he only runs about a 4.6, but checks all the other boxes.
If he ran a 4.5, he's probably the second back taken.
Williams is a little light in the shorts to be a 3 down back. But as a 3rd down RB, he should be right in the mix when they begin to come off the board. Cook, Badie, Williams should be the top 3.
 
So let's assume the Texans just telegraphed their draft and are going OL, OL, CB in some order. What would they look like at the current draft positions?

(3) Sauce Gardner - CB
(13) Trevor Penning - OT
(37) Tyler Smith - OG

(3) Evan Neal - OT
(13) Tyler Linderbaum - OC
(37) Kaiir Elam - CB

(3) Icky Ekwonu - OG
(13) Trent McDuffie - CB
(37) Bernhard Raimann - OT

Which grouping would you prefer?
As in my mock
3 Sauce
13 Penning three seasons at left tackle and should
be able to handle left guard next to tunsil.

37 Brisker safety

Round 3 Salyer to beat out Cann and train for OC.

3.80 double-digit sack Sam Williams for your Edge.
 
I think I may have mentioned this before but it is very intriguing to me - there is a chance, a good chance, Aiden Hutchinson falls to the Texans.
Here's how:-
Jags invested in one of the top QBs in several years in Lawrence last draft. Priority #1 should be to keep him upright.
Here, they take Evan Neal at #1.
The Lions do have Jared Goff, but...the temptation to take the projected #1 QB here is too much and they take Malik Willis at #2.
Lions scenario #2 - they have Jared Goff, so now they need to keep him upright and take the nasty Ikem Ekwonu at #2.
Another possibility is Jags take Ikem Ekwonu at #1 and that would present Lions with Evan Neal.
So there are three (or is that 4?) plausible scenarios that have AH falling to #3.
If he does, Texans will run to the podium with Aiden Hutchinson in giant letters on their card.
 
12 ypc in wide open college football. He creates 0 separation. Nothing personal, just facts
"London was running away with the Biletnikoff Award before fracturing his right ankle in Week 9. Despite not playing a full season, he should have taken home the award given his routine dominance before the injury, as the 6-foot-5, 210-pound receiver earned a 91.8 receiving grade this year. He dominated in one-on-one scenarios and put up monster numbers due to his physicality and ball skills. London totaled 19 contested catches and 22 broken tackles in eight games — the former is six more than any other Power Five wide receiver through Week 12 while the latter is the second-most."
From PFF, who have him as the second highest graded receiver in this years draft.
 
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