Funny you say that.
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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
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Funny you say that.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
What are the odds that he would say anything else besides that?
You don’t own up to an 18% percentile score. lol
Plausible deniability is the phrase here. Say nothing.
Why acknowledge anything? Nick is usually slippery as an eel on any tricky question. It goes to his reputation as a deal maker. That's for the Texans and wherever he might go in the future.
Still, he can deny the agent has an influence all he wants. If they pass on a vastly superior QB for a project, the agent thing is what everyone will think was the factor.
Why does that test trump a great college career?
zshawn10
All Pro
because a high score doesn't mean you will be a great QB but a low score assures you won't have a great qb at all
It's the only sliver of hope I have amongst the avalanche of bad rumors.
I would love to get a list of all the "LOW SCORE" boys.
Hendon Hooker with the 46 is pretty terrible as well and everyone is ok with that pick.
Makes no sense. Last few days have been fun to speculate.
How does it "assure" Stroud will not be a great QB?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Passing NFL physicals after injury means very little. Every franchise sets its own standards for players who pass or fail. Quite telling is the fact that as thorough as the Combine physicals are, and as many college players have come off of injuries, virtually no one fails it. If players can still breathe, walk, run, distinguish 1 vs 2 fingers when held up, and count to 2 backwards, they will be likely be deemed fit to take the field. Historically, passing a football physical (especially following significant injuries) has often made little sense medically to non team doctors.
Because generally, having such a low test score doesn’t equate to NFL success at the position. There might be teams who use this against him, so he potentially just cost himself money.
Exactly. "We aren't dealing with Stroud's agent for a QB at 1.2 so anyone who wants Stroud just wait to draft him. No need to trade up with us for him"
46th percentile is not 18.
So if Wilson is not passing some teams physicals, that would seem to be a real red flag.
Its also below average. And to be fair, I like Hooker more than Levis who scored a 93...
It’s not 18. That’s terribly low. Not just below average.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Sounds like it's a QB based on that. Whatever they do we'll all live with. In 21 drafts the Texans haven't called me for advice even once so I'm not worried about it. Some players are going to be picked. I hope they end up being good ones.
If some teams use the test against Stroud, they could be costing themselves a franchise QB.
My understanding is that the NFL began incorporating the S2 tests in 2016. Since then, there has been around 25 QBs considered top prospects entering their respective drafts. 25. That's the definition of a small sample size.
I get the company that created the test are pushing their product. But any scientific method would only consider a much larger pool of samples to come to a definitive conclusion. And the fact that a high score does not verify a QB to become elite seems like a red flag. "But Mahomes scored high!" "Burrow scored high!" A few QBs out of a small pool? That's cherry picking.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Is twitter considered internet?
badboy
Hall of Fame
ok but why would McNairs cancel Stroud two weeks ago? Nothing has changed as I know it.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Yeah, that's There must be some mistake low. Like Hey, did they not give you a password to login to the computer? low or You get 10 points for logging in and providing answers to all of the questions low. Probably more like "Doesn't take tests well and so didn't try all that hard and was surprised to learn that the poor performance not only leaked but apparently mattered to people.
Yep Or just clicked through all the questions lol
What?
badboy
Hall of Fame
He was supposed to say "Stroud is a great QB and if it wasn't for that agent.. we have decided to move CJ Stroud off our boards." That slurping sound would be the other teams wanting quarterback.
badboy
Hall of Fame
what what?
Porky
Hall of Fame
Take with a grain of salt as I heard this somewhere...but sorry cannot confirm or even remember where. So, as I said, this isn't gospel.
But I heard that CJ took the test at 11 PM at night after a long day, and really didn't take it too seriously. Just sort of breezed through it without really trying.
Now...is that a character flaw in itself? I don't know. But the bottom line is he thinks his film is what teams should be going off of and found the test to be silly and worthless.
I can't say I disagree with the guy. You don't need a test to tell you the guy can cover every blade of grass on the field with high accuracy. I'm thinking the Texans will pass on him, and it will end up being a huge mistake. CJ is going to be a good QB in the NFL and would seem to fit a general WCO quite well. Great? I don't know that, but even "good" is way, way better than the **** sandwich we've endured for far too long. Don't take out your driver to make a freaking 3-foot putt. Knock it in with your putter and call it a day. Stroud SHOULD be the pick at 1.2. In other words, don't bring out the smartest guy in the room act...and I have no doubt Nick will do just that to prove how much smarter he is then all the other GM's.
But I heard that CJ took the test at 11 PM at night after a long day, and really didn't take it too seriously. Just sort of breezed through it without really trying.
Now...is that a character flaw in itself? I don't know. But the bottom line is he thinks his film is what teams should be going off of and found the test to be silly and worthless.
I can't say I disagree with the guy. You don't need a test to tell you the guy can cover every blade of grass on the field with high accuracy. I'm thinking the Texans will pass on him, and it will end up being a huge mistake. CJ is going to be a good QB in the NFL and would seem to fit a general WCO quite well. Great? I don't know that, but even "good" is way, way better than the **** sandwich we've endured for far too long. Don't take out your driver to make a freaking 3-foot putt. Knock it in with your putter and call it a day. Stroud SHOULD be the pick at 1.2. In other words, don't bring out the smartest guy in the room act...and I have no doubt Nick will do just that to prove how much smarter he is then all the other GM's.
The S2 isn't based upon questions. It's responding to visual stimulus. Like a video game.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I've learned a bit on the S2 outcomes recently. They don't say that everyone who scores high is a great QB. They say that every great QB scored high. But they also say that no QB with a low score was considered great, or even good.
In the end, this test appears to do a decent job of identifying who WON'T be good, not who WILL be good.
And yes, there is at some point going to be the first guy that becomes the exception, but not sure I want that risk-reward pick at 1:2.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
PFT
Bryce Young: I focus on what I can control, I can’t grow any taller
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 26, 2023, 12:26 PM EDT
Bryce Young is expected to be the first player drafted tomorrow night, but as a 5-foot-10 quarterback, he still faces questions about his height.
One of those questions came when talking to reporters today, and Young said he’s focusing only on what he can control, which doesn’t include his height.
“I’m confident in my abilities,” Young said. “I don’t know how to play the game another way. I’ve been this size relative to the people around me my entire life. I focus on what I control, and I can’t grow. That doesn’t fall into that category, I can’t get any taller. I focus on myself. I’m confident in myself with what I’ve been able to do and I’m excited for the work it’s going to take.”
Young had a great college career at Alabama despite his diminutive stature, and the Panthers seem confident that Young can keep playing at a high level in the NFL.
Bryce Young: I focus on what I can control, I can’t grow any taller
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 26, 2023, 12:26 PM EDT
Bryce Young is expected to be the first player drafted tomorrow night, but as a 5-foot-10 quarterback, he still faces questions about his height.
One of those questions came when talking to reporters today, and Young said he’s focusing only on what he can control, which doesn’t include his height.
“I’m confident in my abilities,” Young said. “I don’t know how to play the game another way. I’ve been this size relative to the people around me my entire life. I focus on what I control, and I can’t grow. That doesn’t fall into that category, I can’t get any taller. I focus on myself. I’m confident in myself with what I’ve been able to do and I’m excited for the work it’s going to take.”
Young had a great college career at Alabama despite his diminutive stature, and the Panthers seem confident that Young can keep playing at a high level in the NFL.
Yikes.
zshawn10
All Pro
Was Brock Purdy’s emergence predictable? S2 Cognition test has pointed to NFL success
The top NFL quarterbacks tend to score high on the S2 Cognition test that 800 draft prospects take each year. Purdy aced his exam last year.
theathletic.com
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I can never predict when a player physical will be passed by a team, but I would have to be quite guarded if a considered elite player like Wilson was not universally passed..............and that thought is independent of what I believe how Wilson's injury will affect his future on the field.
Let's try a possible real world example. Say a school has tested 25 kids in the past. It's some type of video game. And the analysis of these tests indicate that the kids that did poorly in testing did not do well in college. Some of the kids that did do well in the testing had very good grades in college. Some of the kids that tested well did poorly in college.
The school tests your son. He does poorly. Tell me honestly, are you going to take this seriously? "Get a job kid, not wasting tuition on you."
Quite a bit different than having 2-4 seconds to process where you want to throw the ball and accurately read coverages.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
So mostly you prefer the guys they picked then. Gotcha.
Yeah, and it seems like people are just ignoring CJ's tape which shows he excels at that.
Will Levis aka Mr. Late. scored a 93, and has yet to anticipate a throw.
Oh but he scored well on the computer test. He is going to be a great player.
Thankfully, the Texans had the guys come in and were able to go through their own methods.
Again, that's a very small sample size. And even if averaged, it doesn't indicate if there are outliers. What if the backups had been tested? Would that dilute the result? I find the study interesting. I do not see it as absolutely determinative or scientifically valid.Was Brock Purdy’s emergence predictable? S2 Cognition test has pointed to NFL success
The top NFL quarterbacks tend to score high on the S2 Cognition test that 800 draft prospects take each year. Purdy aced his exam last year.
Porky
Hall of Fame
If the Texans pass on Stroud, there will be seismograph readings in Indy from Ballard and Steichen jumping up and down. If they pass on him as well, then I might start buying into the S2 crap. Right now, I think it's all smoke. It's lion season.
I'm going to work on my final mock later. At the moment, I've got Wilson at 1.2. I'll put some more thought into it, but if I'm the GM I'd take Stroud based on publicly known facts and demonstrated ability. Like Herv, they've yet to call me. Those bastards!
I'm going to work on my final mock later. At the moment, I've got Wilson at 1.2. I'll put some more thought into it, but if I'm the GM I'd take Stroud based on publicly known facts and demonstrated ability. Like Herv, they've yet to call me. Those bastards!
A lot of that “ability” had to do with one reads in college.
BattleRedBlud
Blue Steel Pose. No Excuses!
I think 18 is an indicator that
A) He didn't understand how to take the test
or
B) He didn't care to take the test, and rushed through it
What does that mean for his future as an NFL QB? The fact that he owned up to the test score and said "I'm not a test taker, I'm a football player" means to me that football is his focus, and he couldn't care less what people think about him.
I don't care how accurate someone is with a clean pocket. I want them to be able to process under pressure. The singular time Stroud has done this was when he had over a month to prepare for a game. When he is pressured he is bad. The S2 reflects this. It is not an IQ test like the Wonderlic. I have aced the Wonderlic. I would bomb the S2. I do not want a "Good" QB at 1.2. So you'd rather have a dirt sandwich than a **** sandwich. I say both of those suck.Take with a grain of salt as I heard this somewhere...but sorry cannot confirm or even remember where. So, as I said, this isn't gospel.
But I heard that CJ took the test at 11 PM at night after a long day, and really didn't take it too seriously. Just sort of breezed through it without really trying.
Now...is that a character flaw in itself? I don't know. But the bottom line is he thinks his film is what teams should be going off of and found the test to be silly and worthless.
I can't say I disagree with the guy. You don't need a test to tell you the guy can cover every blade of grass on the field with high accuracy. I'm thinking the Texans will pass on him, and it will end up being a huge mistake. CJ is going to be a good QB in the NFL and would seem to fit a general WCO quite well. Great? I don't know that, but even "good" is way, way better than the **** sandwich we've endured for far too long. Don't take out your driver to make a freaking 3-foot putt. Knock it in with your putter and call it a day. Stroud SHOULD be the pick at 1.2. In other words, don't bring out the smartest guy in the room act...and I have no doubt Nick will do just that to prove how much smarter he is then all the other GM's.
Read his scouting report and you’ll see he’s not great at throwing from a crowded pocket or processing his reads after the snap.