Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍

2015 Texans Talk Mock Draft SELECTION

Status
Not open for further replies.
4 (108) NY Giants (The Pencil Neck) -- on the clock 4:00pm - 8:00pm
4 (109) Tampa Bay (htownfan32) -- on deck
4 (110) Minnesota (bah007) -- in the hole
4 (111) Cleveland (bah007/WolverineFan) --
4 (112) Seattle (bah007) --
4 (113) Philadelphia (beerlover) --
 
With the 108th pick in the draft, the NY Football Giants select:

[imgwidthsize=300]https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.3kzFagsqgvxYIxDzW9S4%2fg&pid=15.1&P=0[/IMG]

Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State
 
4 (109) Tampa Bay (htownfan32) -- on the clock 6:00pm - 8:00am
4 (110) Minnesota (bah007) -- PM'ed
4 (111) Cleveland (bah007/WolverineFan) -- PM'ed
4 (112) Seattle (bah007) -- PM'ed
4 (113) Philadelphia (beerlover) --
 
The Bucs select...

Javorius "Buck" Allen, RB, USC

Not a fan of what the Bucs have in the stable right now, considering I had to juggle both of them in fantasy.
 
With the #110 pick the Minnesota Vikings select...

John Miller - OG, Louisville

John-Miller-Louisville.jpg
 
4 (113) Eagles (beerlover) -- on the clock 8:10am - 12:10pm
4 (114) Dolphins (Mollywhopper) -- on deck
4 (115) Browns (WolverineFan/bah007) -- PM'd
4 (116) Texans (Blake) -- in the hole
4 (117) Chargers (Blake) -- in the hole
 
Nice pick with Amos. I was looking at him with my next pick. Reminds me of Glover Quin.
 
4 (114) Dolphins (Mollywhopper) -- on the clock 9:45am - 1:45 pm
4 (115) Browns (WolverineFan/bah007) -- PM'd
4 (116) Texans (Blake) -- on deck
4 (117) Chargers (Blake) --
4 (118) Kansas City (Texan4Ever) -- in the hole
4 (119) St. Louis (beerlover) --
4 (120) Cincinnati (mussop) --
 
beerlover said:
surprised Amos still available in 4th rd. have a 2nd/3rd rd. grade on him. interchangeable safety, with size, speed & strength. Drops into coverage, nickle packages to play CB in the slot, sound in run support should help close a lot of those Eagle gaps on defense. Good durability, natural Strong Safety next level. Almost identical in every aspect of game to Landon Collins, just a little quicker, more explosive, longer arms, hands the exact same as is height & weight.
Click to expand...

Amos and Collins are very similar athletically. Just look at their combine numbers. Almost identical except Amos was better in the agility drills and has longer arms while Collins has more bulk.

Skill set wise, Amos has a more rounded game than Collins. Collins is more dominant in the box and intermediate area, but Amos is much better in man coverage and down the field.

Collins fits the old school SS mold. Big, athletic and can dominate inside the numbers. However, he is a liability in coverage because he only excels in one of the 3 coverage areas (man, intermediate, deep half). Amos fits the new school mold. He can play in the box but he can also play coverage down the field and line up in man in the slot.

The game is changing and these new breed of hybrid CB/S are replacing the old breed of big hitters in most defenses across the league in order to combat the wide open offenses of today's game.
 
The difference is Collins will go in the 1st rd. Amos will go in the 3rd/4th rd. I think Amos is the better player and is a student of the game.
 
I was thinking Texans would select him in the 3rd rd. w/O'Brien ties & being @ Penn State pro-day.
 
Last edited:
steelbtexan said:
The difference is Collins will go in the 1st rd. Amos will go in the 3rd/4th rd. I think Amos is the better player and is a student of the game.
Click to expand...

Yes, Collins will go in the 1st round. And, IMO, he will be outperformed by the new breed of guys because his skill set isn't ideally suited to this new era of offense. That's not his fault though. It's up to NFL defenses to adapt and use their personnel wisely.

Just look at Arizona, who drafted an old school enforcer in Deone Bucannon last year. They used him as a Nickel LB last year and didn't put him in coverage down the field. He was excellent in that role and was an asset to their top 5 defense.

Then look at Tampa Bay, who drafted Mark Barron and then proceeded to drop him into a Cover 2 defense and ask him to play the deep half. Which predictably ended in disaster.

Amos could be dropped onto most rosters and would be able to play SS in almost any defense. Collins would struggle on most rosters because he is not suited to play today's position and will need to have a specialized role carved out for him. Hopefully he gets drafted by a team that has a plan to utilize his talents.
 
Philadelphia has now drafted the most athletic FS and the most well rounded SS. Well done, especially considering their needs.

And I tend to agree that I would rather have Amos than Collins. In fact, I'd pick Amos over Collins even if both were still on the board. No offense meant to Collins, but he's not the type of player I look for in the secondary.
 
beerlover said:
I was thinking Texans would select him in the 3rd rd. w/O'Brian ties & being @ Penn State pro-day.
Click to expand...

off topic but I have to ask...

why do you insist on insulting the HC by continuing to purposely misspell his name??
 
Chargers need help at WR.

18(117) Chargers (Blake) -- Chris Conley, WR, Georgia 6'2" 213.

Workout warrior? Doubt it. Besides blowing away the combine (4.35 - 40) he has a high character, and likes Star Wars.

ncf_u_christianconley2_ms_600x400.jpg
 
20(119) Rams (from Eagles) (beerlover) -- On the clock 11:42AM
21(120) Bengals (mussop) --
22(121) Steelers (Lucky) --
23(122) Ravens (from Lions) (bah007/WolverineFan) --
24(123) Cardinals (TexansSeminole) --
25(124) Panthers (RT22) --
 
Conley to San Diego is interesting. I think he shares a lot of similar traits with Keenan Allen. He wasn't as productive in college, but that would be a good guy for him to watch as he develops.
 
With pick #119 St. Louis Rams select - Mitch Morse, OL, Missouri 6-5 305
david-johnson-james-franklin-mitch-morse-mu-vs-vanderbilt.jpg

Graded as a OT (played Center, RT & LT) 5th year starter out of Austin Texas, earning graduate degree. Smart, highly competitive prospect with upside especially, some believe
Mike Mayock - "I think he is a Center in the NFL. I don't think he is highly enough talked about and I think he's going to have a 10 year career for an underrated guy."
Click to expand...
Looking at Rams OL & acquisition of Nick Folles (should have learned from Bradford's injury's) they may want to upgrade Center position now. At least he will get his shot & is willing to play any position in order to start. Rams released 34 year old Scott Wells this offseason, only last years 7th round selection Demetrius Rhaney & journeyman Tim Barnes to cover.
 
WolverineFan said:
Amos and Collins are very similar athletically. Just look at their combine numbers. Almost identical except Amos was better in the agility drills and has longer arms while Collins has more bulk.

Skill set wise, Amos has a more rounded game than Collins. Collins is more dominant in the box and intermediate area, but Amos is much better in man coverage and down the field.

Collins fits the old school SS mold. Big, athletic and can dominate inside the numbers. However, he is a liability in coverage because he only excels in one of the 3 coverage areas (man, intermediate, deep half). Amos fits the new school mold. He can play in the box but he can also play coverage down the field and line up in man in the slot.

The game is changing and these new breed of hybrid CB/S are replacing the old breed of big hitters in most defenses across the league in order to combat the wide open offenses of today's game.
Click to expand...

Then why is Collins so sought after whereas teams are likely to grab this guy 2-3 rounds later in the draft?
 
21(120) Bengals (mussop) -- on the clock 12:00pm - 4:00pm
22(121) Steelers (Lucky) -- on deck
23(122) Ravens (from Lions) (bah007/WolverineFan) -- in the hole
24(123) Cardinals (TexansSeminole) --
25(124) Panthers (RT22) --
 
Draft contest
Points for
Players drafted so far on 2015 TT Mock draft

Qb
Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State
Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State
Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA
Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor

Rb
Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia
Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin
Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska
Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State
Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana

Wr
Kevin White, WR, West Virginia
Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama
Devante Parker, WR, Louisville
Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State
Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma
Breshad Perriman, WR, Central Florida
Nelson Angholor, WR, USC
Devin Funchess, WR, Michigan
Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn
Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State
Philip Dorsett, WR, Miami (FL)
Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State
Tony Lippett, WR/CB, Michigan State
Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State
Chris Conley, WR, Georgia

Te
Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota
Clive Walford, TE, Miami (FL)
Tyler Kroft, TE, Rutgers
Jeff Heuerman, TE, Ohio State

Rb
Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia
Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin
Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska
Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State
Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana
David Cobb, RB, Minnesota
Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (FL)
T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama
David Johnson, RB, Northern Iowa
Mike Davis, RB, South Carolina
Javorius Allen, RB, USC

Ot
La'el Collins, OT, Louisiana State
Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford
Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon
Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami (FL)
T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh
DJ Humphries, OT, Florida
Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M
Donovan Smith, OT, Penn State
Jeremiah Poutasi, OT, Utah
Daryl Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State
Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin



Og
Brandon Scherff, OG, Iowa
Laken Tomlinson, OG, Duke
A.J. Cann, OG, South Carolina
Tre Jackson, OG, Florida State
Arie Kouandjio, OG, Alabama
Jamil Douglas, OG, Arizona State
John Miller, OG, Louisville


C
Cameron Erving, C, Florida State
Hroniss Grasu, C, Oregon

Ol
Ali Marpet, OL, Hobart
Sean Hickey, OL, Syracuse



Dl
Leonard Williams, DL, Southern California
Danny Shelton, DT, Washington
Arik Armstead, DL, Oregon
Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State
Malcom Brown, NT, Texas
Carl Davis, DT, Iowa
Jordan Phillips, NT, Oklahoma
Mario Edwards, DL, Florida State
Michael Bennett, DT, Ohio State
Xavier Cooper, DT, Washington State
Henry Anderson, DE, Stanford
Marcus Hardison, DL, Arizona State
Grady Jarrett, DT, Clemson


RUSH/EDGE/OLB
Dante Fowler Jr., OLB, Florida
Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson
Randy Gregory, OLB, Nebraska
Shane Ray, OLB, Missouri
Bud Dupree, OLB, Kentucky
Danielle Hunter, OLB, Louisiana State
Shaq Thompson, OLB, Washington
Eli Harold, OLB, Virginia
Nate Orchard, OLB, Utah
Owamagbe Odigizuwa, DE, UCLA
Preston Smith, DE, Mississippi State
Hau'oli Kikaha, OLB, Washington
Markus Golden, OLB, Missouri
Lorenzo Mauldin, OLB, Louisville
Ben Heeney, LB, Kansas


ILB
Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLA
Denzel Perryman, LB, Miami (FL)
Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson
Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State
Taiwan Jones, LB, Michigan State
Kyle Emanuel, LB, North Dakota State
Jake Ryan, ILB, Michigan


CB
Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State
Marcus Peters, CB, Washington
PJ Williams, CB, Florida State
Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest
Jalen Collins, CB Louisiana State
Eric Rowe, CB, Utah
Byron Jones, CB, Connecticut
Quinten Rollins CB, Miami (OH)
Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State
Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State
Alex Carter, CB, Stanford
D'Joun Smith, CB, Florida Atlantic
Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville
Kevin White, CB, TCU
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon
Josh Shaw, CB, Southern California
Adrian Amos, DB, Penn State


S
Landon Collins, SS, Alabama
Damarious Randall, FS, Arizona State
Kurtis Drummond, S. Michigan State
Cody Prewitt, FS, Mississippi
James Sample, S, Louisville
Jaquiski Tartt, SS, Samford
Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State
 
TexansFTW said:
Then why is Collins so sought after whereas teams are likely to grab this guy 2-3 rounds later in the draft?
Click to expand...

Because teams are not doing their due diligence.

Nick Saban is one of the best in the business at using his scheme to disguise his players weaknesses and enhance their strengths. Collins is no different. He's surrounded by top tier talent at every position and his responsibilities are limited to what he can handle and the rest is shared by the group. Guys like Jimmie Ward, Adrian Amos, etc don't have that luxury. They have enormous responsibility laid at their feet because they are very talented and most of their teammates are not. They have to do more for their teams because nobody else can do it. In the process, they are forced to do things they may not be good at and that will show up in their evaluation.

Don't get me wrong, Collins is talented. But, IMO, his talents aren't ideally suited for today's NFL. In today's NFL, Safety's have to cover. They just have to. Look at D.J. Swearinger. Very productive college player. Good measureables. Drafted in the 2nd round yet he can't cover grass. It happens all the time. Teams that have adapted to this new offensive era will either like Collins and have a specified role for him or they won't like him because he doesn't fit. Teams that haven't adapted will draft him and put him into a role he is probably not suited for.

Mark Barron was drafted #7 overall and has been an absolute bust. Is it because he just wasn't talented? No. It's because he is an old school box Safety that got drafted by a team that had no idea how to utilize him and tried to make him a Cover 2 Safety. Dashon Goldson was an All-Pro Safety in San Francisco. He just got cut by the Bucs 2 years into a massive Free Agent deal. Did he forget how to play? No. He was a limited coverage Safety who was protected in SF and TB had no idea how to utilize him.
 
24(123) Cardinals (TexansSeminole) -- on the clock 3:20pm - 7:20pm
25(124) Panthers (RT22) -- on deck
26(125) Ravens (bah007/WolverineFan) -- PM'd
27(126) 49ers (from Broncos) (mussop) -- in the hole
28(127) Cowboys (infantrycak) --
29(128) Colts (NCTexan) --
 
25(124) Panthers (RT22) -- on the clock 3:30pm - 7:30pm
26(125) Ravens (bah007/WolverineFan) -- PM'd
27(126) 49ers (from Broncos) (mussop) -- on deck
28(127) Cowboys (infantrycak) -- in the hole
29(128) Colts (NCTexan) --
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top