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Diggs to Houston

My main issue with making this trade & voiding the last three years of it is, if he walks & we don't win the Superbowl, we just traded away a potential starter for a one year rental. But, we'll have to wait & see how it plays out.

Is it a one year rental or an insurance contract on Nico Collins? Diggs doesn’t stay long anywhere without creating drama. Texans have had enough drama for one franchise to last a lifetime in the last 4 years.

Void the back contract years. You don’t have to worry about trading or dead cap money. If he becomes a distraction he is cut.

The insurance is if Nico is a one year wonder or gets hurt.

And if the Texans are all in this year then what does next years draft pick matter?
 
If you were yelling at me and I was the QB you would get less targets

Hehe, I'm pretty sure we don't want that factor to enter CJ's read, "He looks like he could get a TD, BUT he's kind of a jerk...let's just get 6 yards." I do think that adding him to a loaded roster will cut into his yearly numbers, so that may drive his value down if we're interested in signing him for another year.
 
A non-Texan friend of mind asked so how did you guys go from tanking for a midget QB to we are going to beat spit of Mahomes in a year? So I hadn't stop to think about the aspect that are the Texans really that good already...That's why I am delaying the thought of "too fast" until the schedule and draft and such....Just for context.
They may have a better team next year but about the same record.

It will come down to what they do in the playoffs.

I don't think the Chiefs win again. The Ravens are probably better, but LJ could be hurt again come playoff time. Sleeper pick, if Rodgers can stay healthy NYJ Good thing is the Texans can beat anybody.
 
They may have a better team next year but about the same record.

It will come down to what they do in the playoffs.

I don't think the Chiefs win again. The Ravens are probably better, but LJ could be hurt again come playoff time. Sleeper pick, if Rodgers can stay healthy NYJ Good thing is the Texans can beat anybody.

Ravens oline was carved up by FA. I think they might struggle this year.
 
• The concern if you’re the Houston Texans in this case would be what version of Diggs you’re getting and, to be sure, the drama that’s surrounded the star receiver was a factor in the decision to move him for Buffalo. But the context Houston lands him in is different than it’d have been if the Bills had held on to him.

Simply, it’s a fresh start for Diggs, and a chance to come out with something to prove, and it plays, to a degree, back to a piece of Houston GM Nick Caserio’s own football history.

Caserio was the Patriots’ receivers coach in 2007, when New England swung a fourth-round pick to the Raiders to land a similarly questioned star 30-year-old receiver. On Caserio’s watch, Randy Moss, motivated by being discarded, did produce perhaps the greatest season as a receiver has ever had with 23 touchdowns.

Seventeen years later, Caserio is affording Diggs the chance to gain a similar level of redemption in an environment that, while it’s not what New England was then, is getting really good with the potential to be better. Diggs will play alongside Tank Dell, Nico Collins and Dalton Schultz, and with C.J. Stroud pulling the trigger behind an accomplished, veteran line. He’ll also be playing his home games inside again, after doing so over his first four NFL seasons with the Minnesota Vikings.

So I wouldn’t bet against the ultra-competitive Diggs having a kind of year in Houston that might not have happened had he stayed with the Bills.

And by the way, this is a really good job by Caserio of leveraging the rookie-contract QB edge the Texans have for the next couple years, alongside the signings of Danielle Hunter, Azeez Al-Shaair and Denico Autry, and the trade for Joe Mixon in March—even if Diggs might only be around for a single year.

• On that end, I do have some reservations about the Texans doing the contract adjustment with Diggs, guaranteeing him more than $22 million for 2024, and his freedom in ‘25. Remember, when you’re trading for a player, it’s not just the player you get, it’s the contract, and Diggs had four years left on his. So in this case, giving up a 2025 second-round pick, even with the fifth- and sixth-rounders coming back, is steep for one year of Diggs, because that second-rounder comes on a very affordable contract for four years.

But, again, for where the Texans are right now, it makes sense. If you combine this trade with the Vikings trade from March, the Texans moved down 19 spots in this year’s draft, from No. 23 to No. 42 (which, per the Jimmy Johnson draft chart, is equal to trading away the 63rd pick) in order to get that year of Diggs, move a seventh-rounder into the sixth round (232nd to 188th), and land a 2024 sixth and a ‘25 fifth. Which is good value.

 
They may have a better team next year but about the same record.

It will come down to what they do in the playoffs.

I don't think the Chiefs win again. The Ravens are probably better, but LJ could be hurt again come playoff time. Sleeper pick, if Rodgers can stay healthy NYJ Good thing is the Texans can beat anybody.

Mushroom man is washed. I don't buy the Jets as a real SB contender. Maybe they do some damage in the AFC East, we'll see. I just hope I'm right, because I don't want to have the Texans playing a playoff game on that turf.
 
I think something very important needs to be re-emphasized.

We are supposed to be going all in this year. He MUST play well this year to maintain his value. Even if he wants go somewhere else after this year, (which I will very much doubt) he has to maintain his value.

So, we have a highly incentivized mercenary who, BTW…. wants a ring more than anything.
 
I swear some of you wouldn't be happy if Caserio signed nothing but all pros on long term, team friendly deals that have an option for Texans to get out every year. They didn't give up a 2nd for a 1 year rental they gave up a 2nd year to bring in a ringer. Realistically Texans have 2-3 years to win a championship unless CJ pulls a Brady and says pay me less but make sure I have a championship team around me. You can't depend on him doing that, I wouldn't, so you have to only factor in his rookie years.

Here is what they have really done with Diggs. They have given CJ a proven, top level WR who by his very presence is going to draw the defenses attention possibly open up other targets. They have also given Diggs the motivation to not only light it up because he is in a contract year but a chance to not be a problem because he knows he's most lilely only there for a year anyway and if he has a banner year then next year some team is going to throw stupid levels of money at him. Caserio also solved several problems with Collins, now they can see if last year was a fluke or if he's the real thing but also haven't pulled the rug out from under him because if he is the real thing then he will be long term plan. They also can now draft a WR if they want and let him either sit a year, have limited play to get him use to NFL level, or flat out be a back up if we have it go pear shaped.

All this for the low cost of another teams 2nd next year. So yeah this was Caserio again being the chess master.

^^^THIS^^^
 
Based on what you just said, you would keep him. He did outperform his 2023 contract. Diggs stats were almost identical to Nico Collins whom everybody expects to pull in close to 25 million apy in an extension. Of course Collins is younger, however he has only done it for one year while Stefon has done it for several.
You say that so casually, but with both being free agents next year, they can both walk, and then you don't have a #1 WR in 2025. Keeping Diggs' contract at least kept him here as a player under contract, to which you could force to re-sign by redoing his contract. Now they could both leave and you only get a comp pick in 26 for Nico.

Diggs already got about a ton of money from the Bills for 2 years of play, something like 45m. Add the 22m the Texans are paying and the guy got 67m for 3 years of play, which is 22m apy. It's not like he's hurting for cash, he's well paid for what he does. I still don't see the point of voiding those years, they could have just as easily done it next year and renegotiated with him on the hook.
 
They went 6-1 with Brady at OC.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Brady's offense averaged the same points per game as Dorsey's.

What is interesting though is the diminishing role Diggs played in the offense over the second half of the season with no drop off in scoring. I don't know that it speaks to something about Diggs himself, but more to Brady's offense didn't rely on a high volume WR1 as Diggs had been his first 3+ seasons in Buffalo. I can see where a guy who has been a Top 5 receiver in the league would want out of that type of offense.

What is even more interesting is that he was traded to a Texans team with the same offensive mindset and a stacked WR room. CJ finds the open guy. It isn't Watson where everyone in the stadium knew he was going to throw to DHop. So I am curious as to how he will handle it differently than in Buffalo. Maybe he is counting on his own durability (missed 3 games over last 6 seasons) and the lack thereof in Collins and Tank to elevate his targets.
 
You say that so casually, but with both being free agents next year, they can both walk, and then you don't have a #1 WR in 2025. Keeping Diggs' contract at least kept him here as a player under contract, to which you could force to re-sign by redoing his contract. Now they could both leave and you only get a comp pick in 26 for Nico.

Diggs already got about a ton of money from the Bills for 2 years of play, something like 45m. Add the 22m the Texans are paying and the guy got 67m for 3 years of play, which is 22m apy. It's not like he's hurting for cash, he's well paid for what he does. I still don't see the point of voiding those years, they could have just as easily done it next year and renegotiated with him on the hook.
I don't think you can force Stefon Diggs to do much of anything. I have already said that I would have preferred they did not void the rest of his contract. But the general manager that most of us are now praising as a genius, disagreed. I wonder if that same general manager has any idea that both wide receivers in questions are free agents next year? Perhaps you can text him and let him know? I would assume that he did not make this move without having a backup plan such as drafting at least one wide receiver in the 2024 draft. Also another option would be drafting a wide receiver in the 2025 draft. As far as being casual about my reply to your post, I was replying to YOU saying you want players that outperform their contract. Diggs did the last two seasons.
 
You say that so casually, but with both being free agents next year, they can both walk, and then you don't have a #1 WR in 2025. Keeping Diggs' contract at least kept him here as a player under contract, to which you could force to re-sign by redoing his contract. Now they could both leave and you only get a comp pick in 26 for Nico.

Diggs already got about a ton of money from the Bills for 2 years of play, something like 45m. Add the 22m the Texans are paying and the guy got 67m for 3 years of play, which is 22m apy. It's not like he's hurting for cash, he's well paid for what he does. I still don't see the point of voiding those years, they could have just as easily done it next year and renegotiated with him on the hook.

Tank Dell says hi, think you forget none if us were talking about Collins until Dell went down and Collins became the go to WR by default.
 
I think some of us are overthinking Diggs wanting out of Buffalo as he also wanted off of the prior team.

2 years into contracts he was happy with, he looks at his deal and at others. He wanted more guaranteed cash. He got it in Bison town and now Houston. Act stupid and Nick can convert signing bonus and prorate over void years and cut/trade Diggs.
 
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Am I missing something, or has OTC just posted the wrong numbers for Diggs' cap number? View attachment 13924
It shows we have almost $24 million in available cap space. View attachment 13925
no, those figures are correct. As I explained earlier, the base salary of $19 million for this year plus the 3 .25 that was moved from 2025 to this year was prorated over the four years of his prior contract to lower the salary cap. It just takes a couple of days for over the cap and spot rack to catch up
 
Hmmm....., it looks like the contract doesn't void until February 18, 2025 & that $16,644,000 of his salary is due then. If that's true, then Caserio has done his magic once again. We're not done dealing this year.
 
Hmmm....., it looks like the contract doesn't void until February 18, 2025 & that $16,644,000 of his salary is due then. If that's true, then Caserio has done his magic once again. We're not done dealing this year.
From my #283 post:
~$19 base + ~ .5 m roster and workout bonuses plus +$3.25 forwarded from 2025 = ~$23 m.

Prorated over void years thru 2027 [ length of original contract] 4.

~$5.75 m cap hit. 😃
 
no, those figures are correct. As I explained earlier, the base salary of $19 million for this year plus the 3 .25 that was moved from 2025 to this year was prorated over the four years of his prior contract to lower the salary cap. It just takes a couple of days for over the cap and spot rack to catch up
Actually, they did change the numbers from what they originally posted. But, I'll wait to see if they change them again.
 
Ryans will get the best out of Diggs this year.
Is that even in question? Not just you, but catching up on this thread I'm seeing "justification" for the one year rental with questions about his effort? 11-12 years in the league, this dude is who he is & I don't think effort has ever been a question. Too much effort if anything.

Hedging the books against possible decline makes sense, but I'd think that would look more like holding onto those 3 years. If he has a great season this year are you going to commit to him long term when he's one year closer to that future inevitable decline?
 
Actually, they did change the numbers from what they originally posted. But, I'll wait to see if they change them again.
I think what we are seeing on OTC is the Texans have not made it known how many years they are going to spread the money. There would be no reason to take a almost $17 million cap hit in 2025 when they do not have to. OTC should adjust as those numbers become known.
 
Is that even in question? Not just you, but catching up on this thread I'm seeing "justification" for the one year rental with questions about his effort? 11-12 years in the league, this dude is who he is & I don't think effort has ever been a question. Too much effort if anything.

Hedging the books against possible decline makes sense, but I'd think that would look more like holding onto those 3 years. If he has a great season this year are you going to commit to him long term when he's one year closer to that future inevitable decline?
Immediately after the trade became known, I moved wide receiver off of my board at Round 2. After the void year adjustment, I have returned it.
 
Is that even in question? Not just you, but catching up on this thread I'm seeing "justification" for the one year rental with questions about his effort? 11-12 years in the league, this dude is who he is & I don't think effort has ever been a question. Too much effort if anything.

Hedging the books against possible decline makes sense, but I'd think that would look more like holding onto those 3 years. If he has a great season this year are you going to commit to him long term when he's one year closer to that future inevitable decline?
Depends on a lot of factors IMO.

If the Texans are for real then why wouldn't he stick around as his best possible ring chance?

The man spent 100k on a jersey number so Id say there are certain things he desires over JUST money... if a ring is one of them.... he might not necessarily take the highest bidder if he wants to stay, maybe at a discount... maybe not.

IF last season was a fluke and the Texans are pretenders, he would only want out of Houston and become a problem to get out of here faster than a newly massaged DW.

I wasn't a fan of it when I first found out of it but I have grown more content with the fact that, IF we are for real... our worries are few even if he chooses not to return. IF we are pretenders.... at best its reliving the AJ years for one more season.... but we have bigger problems than our #1 receiver not returning.
 
Depends on a lot of factors IMO.

If the Texans are for real then why wouldn't he stick around as his best possible ring chance?

The man spent 100k on a jersey number so Id say there are certain things he desires over JUST money... if a ring is one of them.... he might not necessarily take the highest bidder if he wants to stay, maybe at a discount... maybe not.

IF last season was a fluke and the Texans are pretenders, he would only want out of Houston and become a problem to get out of here faster than a newly massaged DW.

I wasn't a fan of it when I first found out of it but I have grown more content with the fact that, IF we are for real... our worries are few even if he chooses not to return. IF we are pretenders.... at best its reliving the AJ years for one more season.... but we have bigger problems than our #1 receiver not returning.
I think the one year deal was more on his agent's guidance than perhaps on the player. It is a no-brainer for the player to take his guaranteed money in 2025 and put it in his pocket today. Wasn't much but be stupid not to. I think many are assuming that Stefon Diggs will be gone after this year and that may not be the case; especially if he enjoys the area and his coworkers plus management. We should not be surprised if we go deep and he decides to stick around at perhaps a team friendly deal. I imagine Andre Johnson will be in his ear soon if not already.
 
A non-Texan friend of mind asked so how did you guys go from tanking for a midget QB to we are going to beat spit of Mahomes in a year? So I hadn't stop to think about the aspect that are the Texans really that good already...That's why I am delaying the thought of "too fast" until the schedule and draft and such....Just for context.
It's been a minute since the Texans have had this kind of talent on the team.
 
Apologies if already posted


What's that mean? "Just a few weeks ago you asked & we delivered, now let's go get these rings?"

What was asked? Who delivered? Rings as in multiple super bowls or a ring for you & a ring for me?

dang cryptic tweets. Xes.
 
What's that mean? "Just a few weeks ago you asked & we delivered, now let's go get these rings?"

What was asked? Who delivered? Rings as in multiple super bowls or a ring for you & a ring for me?

dang cryptic tweets. Xes.
I took it to mean that Mixon was telling Diggs he had asked to be recognized for his worth and Houston had stepped up. But I do agree with you on the confusion with some of these Instagram and x.
 
And if the Texans are all in this year then what does next years draft pick matter?

Everything matters, especially a two that could be almost a one. Missing out on another building block, foundation piece like OT is a tough pill to swallow :chili:

However, this is unique situation. You have to eat, sleep and live Texans to even have understanding what’s going down on Kirby. I’ll try to just summarize. Collective effort of GM, Coaches and CJ Stroud. Whiffed on Barkley over couple million, CJ’s top RB choice (will love Joe Mixon, damn good alternative) so Nick had to pull trigger for another elite blue chip offensive weapon, CJ had broken bread with, Stefon Diggs. Love for purity of football, will ultimately decide business end of this deal (tbd) but to be all in and win 🏆 sooner than later, we’ll all be rewarded, it’s part of Gods plan 🙏🏼
 
IMHO. Based on past behavior. Diggs has come across as a saner version of Antonio Brown and just might be another Brandin Cooks type locker room complainer. If Caserio didn't restructure his contract, I bet there would have been some holdout or behavior to either force a contract renegotiation or release.

So, I'm happy for the talent upgrade of the WR room. However, it's now two teams where he has turned on the organization. When he's on your team, we call it passion. When he's on another team we call him a cancer. I'm hoping for the best and it works out for the Texans. On a one-year contract, he might be on his best behavior to play for the last contract of his career. I'm not sure the Texans are the team that should give him that final contract.
 
Everything matters, especially a two that could be almost a one. Missing out on another building block, foundation piece like OT is a tough pill to swallow :chili:

However, this is unique situation. You have to eat, sleep and live Texans to even have understanding what’s going down on Kirby. I’ll try to just summarize. Collective effort of GM, Coaches and CJ Stroud. Whiffed on Barkley over couple million, CJ’s top RB choice (will love Joe Mixon, damn good alternative) so Nick had to pull trigger for another elite blue chip offensive weapon, CJ had broken bread with, Stefon Diggs. Love for purity of football, will ultimately decide business end of this deal (tbd) but to be all in and win sooner than later, we’ll all be rewarded, it’s part of Gods plan

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You have never been more wrong. When you are all in for one year draft picks don’t matter the following year.

It was no whiff on Barkley. It was an agreement not to over pay for a player. And if you know anything about what happens on Kirby and Caserio’s plans it is that he is always cooking. There is always another plan. Barkley can’t meet our demands than enter Mixon. Can’t get Keenan Allen enter Diggs. Who was dealt for a pick traded for weeks earlier.

Keep trying to understand what is going on on Kirby. You will get there one day.
 
Has anyone seen any responses from Tank Dell, CJ or Nico Collins to this trade?

responses will be seen in training camp & September ... on the field.
Don't put the cart in front of the horse. Diggs deserves a fresh start-- be a Houstonian, welcome & allow him to come in and contribute without being scrutinized or chastised for his past decisions before he ever suits up and makes that first catch.
He may have the best WR corps he's played around-- I think he overcomes whatever "drama" issues that have been mentioned by others, takes that next step as a professional football player/leader & and completely buys into the team/organization/players/coaches/culture/Houston...etc.

(also, I can't help but Nelson-Muntz-LOL at Brandin Cooks)
 
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Everything matters, especially a two that could be almost a one. Missing out on another building block, foundation piece like OT is a tough pill to swallow :chili:

However, this is unique situation. You have to eat, sleep and live Texans to even have understanding what’s going down on Kirby. I’ll try to just summarize. Collective effort of GM, Coaches and CJ Stroud. Whiffed on Barkley over couple million, CJ’s top RB choice (will love Joe Mixon, damn good alternative) so Nick had to pull trigger for another elite blue chip offensive weapon, CJ had broken bread with, Stefon Diggs. Love for purity of football, will ultimately decide business end of this deal (tbd) but to be all in and win 🏆 sooner than later, we’ll all be rewarded, it’s part of Gods plan 🙏🏼

So you value a pick next year that may or not be good where you will get a player who may or not be good over a multiple pro-bowl vet that has elevated every QB he has played with and has every motivation to play the best ball he ever has?

..............okay

Also when you talk about having to eat, sleep and breath Texans you do remember the crowd you are talking to right? You aren't talking to some random yahoos in a bar while a Texans game happens to be on you are talking to people that were insane enough to be talking about details of this team even when it was the off season of their worst years. The very definition of preaching to the choir.
 
So you value a pick next year that may or not be good where you will get a player who may or not be good over a multiple pro-bowl vet that has elevated every QB he has played with and has every motivation to play the best ball he ever has?

..............okay

Clearly stated, this is the exception. If Howard can’t stay healthy again, there is no Fant to bail them out so what the Heck, as in Charlie Heck @ RT hold up so these high end offensive weapons pay off if CJ is running for his life or on the ground?
 
Clearly stated, this is the exception. If Howard can’t stay healthy again, there is no Fant to bail them out so what the Heck, as in Charlie Heck @ RT hold up so these high end offensive weapons pay off if CJ is running for his life or on the ground?


Fant signed with the Texans July 28. Are you able to see into the future and predict a comparable vet wont be available around that time? Or that the Texans wont address that position between now and then?
 
Clearly stated, this is the exception. If Howard can’t stay healthy again, there is no Fant to bail them out so what the Heck, as in Charlie Heck @ RT hold up so these high end offensive weapons pay off if CJ is running for his life or on the ground?

I’m pretty sure they’ll address their needs in the draft.
As for running for his life, with the talent we have you’ll see a lot off the quick short game. We’re going to see a lot of play action especially if we get the running game we so desire going. This will be Slowik’s second year, so after a pretty darn good first year calling plays. I believe he will do an even better job this season. But hey I get it, some fans just needs to have something complain about.
Houston Texans Draft Picks by Round in 2024
  • Round 2, Pick 42 (from MIN)
  • Round 2, Pick 59
  • Round 3, Pick 86 (from PHI)
  • Round 4, Pick 123 (from CLE)
  • Round 4, Pick 127
  • Round 6, Pick 188 (from MIN)
  • Round 6, Pick 189 (from BUF)
  • Round 7, Pick 238 (from NO)
  • Round 7, Pick 247
 
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I’m pretty sure they’ll address their needs in the draft.
As for running for his life, with the talent we have you’ll see a lot off the quick short game. We’re going to see a lot of play action especially if we get the running game we so desire going. This will be Slowik’s second year, so after a pretty darn good first year calling plays. I believe he will do an even better job this season. But hey I get it, some fans just needs to have something complain about.
Houston Texans Draft Picks by Round in 2024
  • Round 2, Pick 42 (from MIN)
  • Round 2, Pick 59
  • Round 3, Pick 86 (from PHI)
  • Round 4, Pick 123 (from CLE)
  • Round 4, Pick 127
  • Round 6, Pick 188 (from MIN)
  • Round 6, Pick 189 (from BUF)
  • Round 7, Pick 238 (from NO)
  • Round 7, Pick 247

I would put money on they will not actually use all those picks. i.e. "trade bait"

If Tricky Nick does his thing we'll end up with a couple more starters from the draft.
 
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