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Diggs to Houston

Hate to interrupt this LB thread, but did y'all hear Nick traded for some yahoo named Giggs, or Didds or something. Griggs? Diggs? I dunno but just thought I'd post in the LB thread to be sure y'all heard.
 
I like the voiding of the contract years in this particular case, but it makes me slightly less happy with the second-rounder given to Buffalo for what could be a one-year rental.

That said, if they are all in, they are all in and I'm ok with it given we're getting a couple of later picks back. And if the experiment works well, I could see a 2 year extension for his services.

Nick, get back in the kitchen. We need more cooking! The seasoning on this one is a bit bitter.
 
Because a 2-time all-pro and 4-time pro-bowl proven commodity and an unknown rookie WR are not the same thing. Diggs was a 5th-round pick. Diggs wasn't Diggs when he came out. Dell was a 3rd-rounder and was amazing as a rookie, but that's the exception. There have been plenty of first-round busts or JAGs picked as high as #2, ala Charles Rogers, who went one pick before Andre Johnson.
 
badboy said:
Interesting. Any thoughts on how Diggs wanted issues addressed? Medically or rest when Diggs thinks necessary, etc? As a doctor (I realize without access to his records or giving him exam), what would you suggest to allow him best productivity?

I did see the oblique tear on the report from draft sharks that I posted earlier. Thanks for your comments!
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Oblique tears sound like a relatively benign injury.......but they aren't. A grade I takes ~4-5 weeks of rest and rehab before returning to play. A grade II which is what I believe he eventually was dealing with can take 2-3 months to properly rehab. He was never given more than 2 1/2 weeks to heal, during which time he was treated with antiinflammatories and injections.

These injuries can occur when there is direct hits to the ribs or when a hit causes the torso to twist/torque..............both mechanisms commonly experienced by a WR. Once significantly injured, significant pain is a universal hallmark............it can hurt to breathe, to run, to turn, to bend and sometimes even to just walk. And any further trauma to the chest or twisting can easily cause extension or recurrence of the injury. No doubt, it can bring the strongest and best conditioned players to their knees.
 
BullRushTX said:
I don't understand giving up three years of leverage. Maybe make it a two-year contract, but a one-year contract in exchange for a second round pick?
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They want guys that want to be here and bought in. So, they are financially rewarding Diggs beyond what is required of them, while they are also avoiding an extended financial commitment to an aging vet... In other words, "win, win": happy Diggs this year and flexibility to bring him back or extend him next year if the money and role fit both parties.
 
Porky said:
Because a 2-time all-pro and 4-time pro-bowl proven commodity and an unknown rookie WR are not the same thing. Diggs was a 5th-round pick. Diggs wasn't Diggs when he came out. Dell was a 3rd-rounder and was amazing as a rookie, but that's the exception. There have been plenty of first-round busts or JAGs picked as high as #2, ala Charles Rogers, who went one pick before Andre Johnson.
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Exactly. Diggs is a made man and that’s more valuable to this team right now than waiting on a rookie to develop wasting 1 of CJ’s years.

What no one is talking about is how this affects the Nico Collin’s contract situation. Here’s a guy who had a breakout season last year but on the whole hasn’t been able to stay healthy. I think Picking up Diggs & voiding his remaining years is kind of a hedge against the possible Nico extension. If Nico has another year where he fails to stay healthy or he just doesn’t produce, u feel good about moving on from him and you can maybe start negotiating with Diggs on a short term extension before he becomes a UFA. On the other hand, If Nico balls out again this year maybe you feel “ok” letting Diggs go get paid elsewhere.

no matter which scenario unfolds tho, I still don’t think you can rule out them going WR with 1 of our 2 2nds this year as it would be wise to go ahead and get your replacement for 1 of these guys this year, let him develop for 1 year and then let him lose in 2025 when a spot opens up. This is b/c 1 thing we know that IS NOT going to happen is they pay both Nico & Diggs.

furthermore It’s so deep at the WR position this year, we’re bound to have some highly regarded prospect fall to us in the 2nd.
 
Number19 said:
Wilson is 2 years out from his shoulder injury and 4 years out from his ACL. He may not make it out of the 1st round. But I'm with you, I sure would like for the Texans to land him. I can't recall a LB with his speed and coverage skills and size. He's the prototypical LB for the modern offenses.
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Thanks for the info.
 
I don’t get caught up in “strength of the class.”

Tom Brady was a 6th round pick in a weak QB class both at the time and in hindsight. He was not a special PROSPECT but he is the GOAT QB.

Puka Nakua had a historic season as a 5th round pick. I think we can agree that last year’s WR class is not as highly thought of as this year’s.

CJ had a historic season as the #2 QB taken. Many people thought Texans should tank for a QB in this year’s “loaded” class. Who wants to trade Stroud for one of these rookie QBs?

The talent is out there every year. Its up to the scouts to find it and the coaches to bring it out.
 
Hottoddie said:
I expected a reworked contract, not a one year rental. This is getting real confusing.
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Caserio, Ryans chose to clear the books and are setup to extend Collins. Ryans will get the best out of Diggs this year. They will either re- sign Diggs, or more likely draft a wr and use Diggs cap space to add more talent to the team
 
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TheRealJoker said:
I don’t get caught up in “strength of the class.”

Tom Brady was a 6th round pick in a weak QB class both at the time and in hindsight. He was not a special PROSPECT but he is the GOAT QB.

Puka Nakua had a historic season as a 5th round pick. I think we can agree that last year’s WR class is not as highly thought of as this year’s.

CJ had a historic season as the #2 QB taken. Many people thought Texans should tank for a QB in this year’s “loaded” class. Who wants to trade Stroud for one of these rookie QBs?

The talent is out there every year. Its up to the scouts to find it and the coaches to bring it out.
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100%.

There are duds in every 'strong class' and gems in every 'weak class'. Just find that one best right dude and go get him.
 
~$19 base + ~ .5 m roster and workout bonuses plus +$3.25 forwarded from 2025 = ~$23 m.

Prorated over void years thru 2027 [ length of original contract] 4.

~$5.75 m cap hit. 😃
 
dalemurphy said:
We could still use someone with game breaking speed/athleticism at WR, RB, or TE... We still don't really have that guy, though Tank is in that realm... Someone that can't be covered one on one


Allocation of dollars to one position... paying 2 WRs (neither with elite speed) over $40 million per year seems unlikely... I could see them signing Nico and keeping Diggs for 2025, but I see no way they have both beyond the 2025 season.
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IIRC Diggs had 4.46 at combine; did not look like he lost much of it last year. I do agree we could use another fast wide receiver.
 
Number19 said:
You think a CB is going to cover 6'5"/250 lb Kelce? Payton is 6'4"/233 lb. Kelce is listed as having 4.61 speed. So yes, Payton, with 4.43 speed, may match up better against Kelce and other TEs.

Slot receivers? Maybe not as much.
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Wilson can cover Kelce but like every other time, if the tight end gets loose, people are going to look at that one play and say I told you so!
 
Can someone explain why void the contract now instead of just cutting him at the end of the season? Didn’t Buffalo incur all the dead money hit in the trade and the remaining contract past this season wasn’t guaranteed? What would be the difference between this and just cutting him after the season? Wouldn’t it be best to keep the flexibility if you might wanna keep him another season if it goes well? What am I missing?


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TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
There would likely have been rookie WR's who would have had as much or more of an impact in our offense who don't bring with them the attitude issues Diggs brings. The trade was a steal if it pays off but I would rather we stuck with the draft this season,
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Don't forget Nick will still have opportunity to raid Practice Squads once teams begin to trim to meet roster requirements.
Next off season will be a huge opportunity with this draft class of WRs having some tape on them - I imagine plenty of receivers either being cast off or winding up on PSs.
 
jradMIT said:
Can someone explain why void the contract now instead of just cutting him at the end of the season? Didn’t Buffalo incur all the dead money hit in the trade and the remaining contract past this season wasn’t guaranteed? What would be the difference between this and just cutting him after the season? Wouldn’t it be best to keep the flexibility if you might wanna keep him another season if it goes well? What am I missing?


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I think they want to maximize their opportunity to get the best of Diggs. Make him happy getting another bite at the FA apple. Gives him something to play for… Also gives them the flexibility to “choose” between Nico and Diggs as their highly paid WR once they have to pay CJ.

Nowadays these contracts mean nothing. Players will just hold out once unhappy with the contract they signed until they get a new deal.

We saw this happen with Duane Brown when he signed a long term deal and the tackle market started outpacing his contract. Two years left on his deal and he held out half a season because he wanted a new contract and was traded.

Just because there’s no guaranteed money doesn’t mean they have to pay. They could simply not show up, take the gameday check hits until they force their way out. An asset counting against your salary cap not active on game day helps nobody.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I think they want to maximize their opportunity to get the best of Diggs. Make him happy getting another bite at the FA apple. Gives him something to play for… Also gives them the flexibility to “choose” between Nico and Diggs as their highly paid WR once they have to pay CJ.

Nowadays these contracts mean nothing. Players will just hold out once unhappy with the contract they signed until they get a new deal.

We saw this happen with Duane Brown when he signed a long term deal and the tackle market started outpacing his contract. Then he held out half a season because he wanted a new contract and was traded.

Just because there’s no guaranteed money doesn’t mean they have to pay. They could simply not show up, take the gameday check hits until they force their way out. An asset counting against your salary cap not active on game day helps nobody.
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Doesn’t seem prudent to me, preemptively solving a problem that doesn’t exist and may never even happen at the cost of the flexibility of having him or even trading a disgruntled hold out, seem like a better position to be in. Guy just got traded, he’s gonna be plenty motivated, and if there’s a question of motivation why trade for him? Deal seemed real good to me expecting two seasons of near elite level play, becomes a lot less favorable if he’s one and done, a one year window for this team vs having the pick is basically a wash.


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TheRealJoker said:
We saw this happen with Duane Brown when he signed a long term deal and the tackle market started outpacing his contract. Two years left on his deal and he held out half a season because he wanted a new contract and was traded.
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Brown wasn't getting an extension because of comments he made about the owner. That's what inevitably got him out of Houston, which Brown wanted.
 
If Diggs leaves as a FA after next season, Texans will receive a compensatory draft pick, so that will somewhat offset the 2nd they traded for him.
 
michaelm said:
If Diggs leaves as a FA after next season, Texans will receive a compensatory draft pick, so that will somewhat offset the 2nd they traded for him.
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All of this will he stay/will he go drama becomes irrelevant if the Texans will the Super Bowl. Of course, I realize how crazy that sounds considering where this franchise was a year ago. But a lot has happened in a year. A lot. Everything that's being done this offseason is about winning the Super Bowl in New Orleans next February. And next offseason will be all about trying to repeat.
 
michaelm said:
If Diggs leaves as a FA after next season, Texans will receive a compensatory draft pick, so that will somewhat offset the 2nd they traded for him.
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Nope. Since the Texans voided his original contract, they are not entitled to a comp pick, per the usual suspects on Twitter/x
 
leebigeztx said:
Just because guys play in the slot doesn't mean they're playing the slot like Wes Welker running option routes. CD and Kupp play alot in the slot, but they don't play like Edelman. All the underneath chain moving stuff can be left to Schultz and Mixon

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this offseason we have seen Nick Caserio's capabilities. Game one we will see Demeco Ryan's.
 
Texansphan said:
Don't forget Nick will still have opportunity to raid Practice Squads once teams begin to trim to meet roster requirements.
Next off season will be a huge opportunity with this draft class of WRs having some tape on them - I imagine plenty of receivers either being cast off or winding up on PSs.
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Only problem with that is the waiver wire is set by last years record till the start of the season
 
Lucky said:
All of this will he stay/will he go drama becomes irrelevant if the Texans will the Super Bowl. Of course, I realize how crazy that sounds considering where this franchise was a year ago. But a lot has happened in a year. A lot. Everything that's being done this offseason is about winning the Super Bowl in New Orleans next February. And next offseason will be all about trying to repeat.
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It doesn't sound crazy at all to say that.
But it IS crazy that they're legitimately in a position to bring home a trophy considering where they were
 
Errant Hothy said:
Nope. Since the Texans voided his original contract, they are not entitled to a comp pick, per the usual suspects on Twitter/x
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I am pretty sure that voiding the contract does not have anything to do with comp picks. After this season he becomes an unrestricted free agent that can either choose to go elsewhere or the Texans can extend him. If he leaves, it does not mean that Houston automatically gets a comp pick.
 
I frankly don’t understand this “2nd round pick for a 1 year rental” attitude. They are getting a proven All Pro who is now fully motivated to keep his mouth shut and put his best foot forward, for at least one year. And CJ is going to put Josh Allen in Digg’s rear view in a hurry.

And I don’t think Nick is even close to being done making moves. :popcorn:
 
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