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CJ Stroud Success Level (Mark it down)
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly sometimes it doesn’t take 26-30 games to know exactly what you have.
I might be mistaken. Sometimes a vocal minority flooding this forum with multiple, daily posts can "feel" like a majority opinion. However, I don't recall the same level of angst and even vitriol about Mills starting last year without any competition that we are seeing with Stroud. In fact, after the Watson fiasco, many were open minded about giving Mills a shot.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Perhaps that has something to do with where each was selected and expectations of said pick?
At #2 in the draft, Stroud HAS to be one of the better starting QB's (at least top 15) in the NFL by next season.
By the same token, Will Anderson also needs to be a top-10 DE because Houston gave away the farm to get him.
I was. I didn't feel a journeyman QB would accomplish anything. I was for giving Mills his shot in order to determine if an investment in a future QB was necessary. Mills answered that question in a hurry.
Anderson will have to be much better that Walker. At minimum, an Aidan Hutchinson type season. I know Sauce had a remarkable rookie season. Hutchinson would still be my choice at #1 overall from that draft, from a long term perspective. And I would have easily taken Anderson over Hutchinson.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Will Anderson Jr. relates playing with C.J. Stroud to playing with Bryce Young
Will Anderson Jr. says having a QB like C.j. Stroud is like playing with Bryce Young.
sports.yahoo.com
Will Anderson Jr. says having a QB like C.j. Stroud is like playing with Bryce Young.
If only this really happened.
Perhaps
Also perhaps this could be related to the trash that his dumbazz tends to surround himself with.
Put him in and let him sink or swim. Get the pain over as quickly as possible.
Exactly
He sticks out with his neck.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
So which one is it?
Is he a quick learner or learning doesn't happen overnight?
Is he a quick learner or learning doesn't happen overnight?
BattleRedBlud
Blue Steel Pose. No Excuses!
I would love to believe all these reports, but they always seem to be sunshine and rainbows this time of year. If I am to believe them, then CJ is on his way to becoming a solid starter. Lets hope they are right.
They aren't mutually exclusive.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
A quick learner recognizes when a defensive coach threw a new wrinkle at him in practice and he sought out that coach after practice to better understand what he did.
Recognizing and adapting to those situations without thinking won't happen in the next OTA session. It's a process.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Both. So, did you expect your kid to learn how to drive on all types of roads, how to merge, parallel parking, handle emergency situations, etc. all in one night?
Or did they do well that first night, and you thought...man this kid is really picking up this driving thing but we didn't even touch a freeway yet. That will come along as he learns.
Or did you kick the kid out of the house because he didn't learn everything in a single night?
Tell me more about this.
No excuses, I said I'm going to be calling out the bs as I see it.
We know there's going to be plenty of that.
I expect better qb play than Mills performed at last yr right away, you don't?
The coaching staff is already laying the groundwork.There's nothing to call out yet.
We will see if this transfers from shorts to a game when you're getting your junk knocked in the dirt. So far he's doing the right things
If CJ came in and DOMONATED the defense on DAY ONE I would be petrified about this year's defense. If you think there is pressure on a rookie QB to show well, can you imagine the pressure on the defensive brain trust and players to NOT let a rookie QB come in and immediately embarrass all of them?
This is going to be fun to watch!
This is going to be fun to watch!
The coaching staff needs to throw everything at CJ. Baptism by fire! It's their job to prepare CJ for the rigors of the job and it's CJ'S job to give 110% effort. I wish I could be there to see it all happen!
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I would argue that it's the coaching staff's job to bring him along at the proper pace to encourage the most of his development.
Of course they shouldn't allow a cakewalk for him just to feel good about himself. But likewise they shouldn't just shove him in the deepend and expect quality results.
You play him to his level and then you push. You then evaluate and coach. You play him further to the then proper level and you push some more. You then evaluate and coach some more. Etc, etc, etc and so on as it hopefully goes on the best trajectory.
Throw everything at him and baptism by fire and damned if you do damned if you don't is hardly legitimate training.. you think?
They need to practice as if it's a regular season game, minus hard hitting, of course. First game is in 90 days. The game will slow down FOR CJ the more he's pushed.
There are going to be growing pains and ugly moments. I think CJ is going to become a good NFL quarterback but only after he becomes accustomed to the speed of the game and the "wrinkles" that get thrown at him.
There are going to be growing pains and ugly moments. I think CJ is going to become a good NFL quarterback but only after he becomes accustomed to the speed of the game and the "wrinkles" that get thrown at him.
You can't practice that
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Yeah, I don’t put very much stock at all into practicing in shorts, and for QBs wearing the red jersey knowing he can’t be touched.
I do like the peripheral things I’m hearing though like him throwing a pick then pulling the defensive coordinator aside and asking questions about the coverage, what he needs to be looking at and how to beat it. To me that’s a good sign of a talented player trying to get the cerebral part down, as we know, talent alone won’t get you very far.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They are very limited to what they can do right now. Once the pads goes on then things will get somewhat physical.
Be happy if Stroud in 7 yrs turned in a Dak type career? Just looking at what posters expectations are for Stroud.
Never winning anything? No. Hell no.
You have 20 pages to look at just that.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He’s not the benchmark. A few of his ex teammates spoke highly on his leadership and that’s it.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Good for you. Knock yourself out.
I started a thread asking who posters would compare Stroud too for easy access a couple of yrs from now to see how things turn out. It got moved to this convoluted thread. I think we know why.
When did you start that thread?
This was the 1st post in the thread that was moved here today
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Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
The only thing C.J. Stroud and Dak Prescott have in common is they both play QB in Texas and they're both black. Two completely different players, with two different styles.
Hope springs eternal in the summer before the season. I believe that Stroud is going to be a good NFL QB, but year one might not be his best nor the Texans' best.
Statistically, Houston had the 2nd worst rushing attack in the NFL. That has to improve so that the offense is more often in third-and-makeable rather than third-and-long.
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Noah Brown... that's the link that started this.
Yea, Noah Brown was only speaking to CJ's similarity to Dak's leadership in the huddle.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Why not start with who you want to compare Stroud to at the CFB level? At least we got some actual playing time on the field to use a measuring stick. As for finding an NFL QB throughout time to compare him to.....why don't we wait until he has a couple of seasons under his belt to determine who he looks like. If were lucky.....he'll look like a successful CJ Stroud.
Because he's not playing college football anymore and he won't have the much more talented team around him every week.
Might as well compare his highschool career to Arch Manning's.
It's accurate to say that, historically speaking, the relatively few Ohio State QB's that have been drafted in the NFL didn't pan out. That's an undeniable FACT.
Here's another fact. Ryan Day is the first Ohio State head coach to have EVER coached QB's in the NFL. It is irrational to quantify the quality of TODAY'S Ohio State QB's with those of the past. The difference is night-and-day.
Ryan Day coached Joe Burrow (transferred out after graduating) and Dwayne Haskins but was not the one that recruited them to Ohio State. Day DID recruit Justin Fields to Ohio State as well as CJ Stroud and a few others. And I know that some aren't sold on Fields but he was lights out at Ohio State, just ask Clemson.
Day has been at Ohio State for 6 seasons and the head coach for only 4 seasons. I anticipate that, ten years from now, the perception regarding Ohio State QB's in the NFL will be very much different than it is now.
On another note, Caleb Williams is projected to be the #1 pick in next year's draft. Williams is coached by Lincoln Riley, who previously coached Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray, who have both disappointed in the NFL. Should Arizona (or another) pass on Williams because Mayfield and Murray didn't work out?
Here's another fact. Ryan Day is the first Ohio State head coach to have EVER coached QB's in the NFL. It is irrational to quantify the quality of TODAY'S Ohio State QB's with those of the past. The difference is night-and-day.
Ryan Day coached Joe Burrow (transferred out after graduating) and Dwayne Haskins but was not the one that recruited them to Ohio State. Day DID recruit Justin Fields to Ohio State as well as CJ Stroud and a few others. And I know that some aren't sold on Fields but he was lights out at Ohio State, just ask Clemson.
Day has been at Ohio State for 6 seasons and the head coach for only 4 seasons. I anticipate that, ten years from now, the perception regarding Ohio State QB's in the NFL will be very much different than it is now.
On another note, Caleb Williams is projected to be the #1 pick in next year's draft. Williams is coached by Lincoln Riley, who previously coached Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray, who have both disappointed in the NFL. Should Arizona (or another) pass on Williams because Mayfield and Murray didn't work out?
That's true of both Stroud and Young. In college, their teammates were usually more talented than the other team. Now, they will both play on teams wherein the other team has more or equal talent.
For year one, let's hope that CJ stays healthy and has a promising first year on which to build. The coaching, defense, and running game will all be improved and so a 9-8 season is doable for Houston. Thereafter, it's about signing more quality free agents and building the team through the draft.