CJ Stroud Success Level (Mark it down)

[cuppacoffee]

You’re right he’s not mediocre, he’s worst. Dude is terrible. He got benched for a reason. Stop blaming everyone else except him.

We'll see as camp progresses.

The two coaches who benched him are no longer here, and Mills remains.
Does that not ring a bell for you?
If he is so bad why are teams reportably calling about his availability, and Texans saying no?

 

[Lucky]

I don't think he is mediocre, that is your opinion.

I was actually giving Mills the benefit of doubt. Calling the 31st ranked passer mediocre is a compliment.

You didn't answer my question: How many 3rd round picks get 26 starts in their initial 2 seasons?

 

[Texansballer74]

We'll see as camp progresses.

The two coaches who benched him are no longer here, and Mills remains.
Does that not ring a bell for you?
If he is so bad why are teams reportably calling about his availability, and Texans saying no?

He remains because he was drafted and those coaches were placeholders.

Those are rumors and rumors only. And besides several teams are always looking for backups. Dude is not going be a starter anywhere else.
Like I said the Texans are always doing things ash backwards. But I’m not going to trip because I’m pretty sure CJ will work with the ones. There’s plenty time right now. That would be the smart thing to do IMO. Work both with the ones.

 

[cuppacoffee]

I was actually giving Mills the benefit of doubt. Calling the 31st ranked passer mediocre is a compliment.

You didn't answer my question: How many 3rd round picks get 26 starts in their initial 2 seasons?

If I answer your question will you change your mind about Mills?

I didn't think so.

But I imagine hundreds of 3rd round players got 26 starts in their initial 2 seasons.

 

[Lucky]

If I answer your question will you change your mind about Mills?

I didn't think so.

But I imagine hundreds of 3rd round players got 26 starts in their initial 2 seasons.

2nd overall pick Zach Wilson had a comparable tenure as the Jets QB. He got 22 starts. Should Wilson compete for the starting QB job?

 

[Speedy]

But I imagine hundreds of 3rd round players got 26 starts in their initial 2 seasons.

Maybe plenty do. How many of those are bottom 5 QBs 2 years running and should continue getting “fair” chances after you’ve drafted his replacement with the 2nd overall pick? And who also brought in a 10 year veteran??? Don’t forget that part. If Mills is competing for anything it should be QB2. And I’d still take Case 8 days a week over Mills.

Wait, were you on the Savage over Watson train?

Will never understand why people champion mediocre at best talent, especially on a team that’s been starving for talent for a while now. Makes no damn sense. And let’s be real here, mediocre would be a gimongous improvement for Mills.

 

[steelbtexan]

This forum cracks me up. Last year, the Texans failed to bring in any QBs to "compete" with Mills and many said that it's fine because Mills needed as many reps as possible. From many media reports, Allen looked better than Mills in practices and still Mills didn't compete for the starting job.

This year, some of the same fans now want a QB competition. I know the Texans deserved all the ridicule they get. However, sometimes I get the feeling that the Texans are damned if they do or don't.

I'm in the play and prove mode.

 

[steelbtexan]

As long as they're ready I have no problem with them starting sooner rather than later.

It's really very simple, start the best players and if Stroud isn't as good as Mills then there are issues.

 

[steelbtexan]

Maybe plenty do. How many of those are bottom 5 QBs 2 years running and should continue getting “fair” chances after you’ve drafted his replacement with the 2nd overall pick? And who also brought in a 10 year veteran??? Don’t forget that part. If Mills is competing for anything it should be QB2. And I’d still take Case 8 days a week over Mills.

Wait, were you on the Savage over Watson train?

Will never understand why people champion mediocre at best talent, especially on a team that’s been starving for talent for a while now. Makes no damn sense. And let’s be real here, mediocre would be a gimongous improvement for Mills.

Did your spreadsheet say this? I say this as a guy who thinks Stoud should start day 1. Let's get this show on the road. The pain will come 3 yes from now.

 

[thunderkyss]

I want Mills to start.

Not because I think anything about Mills. I want to see the team block & tackle over the first 4 to 5 weeks of the regular season before I put my shiny new QB out there.

Sure, other teams have done well with their #1 or #2 overall QB playing from day 1. I don't think Stroud would have been drafted #1 or #2 overall if there were true #1 & #2 overall QBs available.

 

[banned1976]

You have this entire offseason program and three preseason games to have your future franchise quarterback ready to start week one. Where is this rushing chatter coming from? Some of y’all act like y’all never seen a rookie quarterback start day one in the NFL. Yes there are some failures. But there’s some successful ones as well. Stop being scared all the time people

Some people (me included) haven't forgotten what happened with the Texans first "franchise quarterback".

As with every rookie player here to compete, I'm pretty sure DeMeco will start them when they're ready, draft position be damned. Of course, I would like for that time to be now but that may not happen.

What I think a lot of people are afraid of (and I know it's a concern of mine) but don't want to admit, if Stroud isn't ready right away and the Texans have another horrible season, and the Browns have a good season, picking Stroud at 2 (and as a consequence having to give up potentially very valuable 2024 draft capital to trade up to draft Anderson at 3) is going to look really bad. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it's certainly in the realm of possibility.

The Texans will probably try to protect Stroud by relying on the running game with Pierce. If they're effective at that, they'll probably be okay. If not, Stroud may need to be really good really fast to avoid the scenario above.

 

[banned1976]

Maybe plenty do. How many of those are bottom 5 QBs 2 years running and should continue getting “fair” chances after you’ve drafted his replacement with the 2nd overall pick? And who also brought in a 10 year veteran??? Don’t forget that part. If Mills is competing for anything it should be QB2. And I’d still take Case 8 days a week over Mills.

Wait, were you on the Savage over Watson train?

Will never understand why people champion mediocre at best talent, especially on a team that’s been starving for talent for a while now. Makes no damn sense. And let’s be real here, mediocre would be a gimongous improvement for Mills.

I remember exactly where I was, what I was doing, and even exactly what my thoughts were when the Texans drafted Tom Savage. I was in my car listening to the draft on 610 am driving over the Fred Hartman Bridge on my way to my parents house. When it was announced the Texans had picked Savage with the first pick in the fourth round, I looked over the side of the bridge and wondered how painful if would be if I drove my car off of that bridge. That pleasant thought quickly vanished when I thought, logically I might add, the guardrails are too high. Those crafty bridge engineers.

As much as I hated Savage (the quarterback), my thinking now as it was then, when the rookie is ready to take the reigns the coach will put him in. I don't like Mills and I didn't like Savage. That said, I also don't want another quarterback ruined here because neither he nor those around him are ready to take the field.

 

[thunderkyss]

What I think a lot of people are afraid of (and I know it's a concern of mine) but don't want to admit, if Stroud isn't ready right away and the Texans have another horrible season

What is not another horrible season? If we want to win as many games as we can so that the pick we sent to Arizona is lower than Cleveland’s 1st, then we should start Case & redshirt the rookie.

If I were convinced we’d have a top 5 defense & top 5 run game, sure, I’d Russell Wilson him. But I doubt the Seahawks were in win now mode when they made that decision.

 

[Texansballer74]

Some people (me included) haven't forgotten what happened with the Texans first "franchise quarterback".

As with every rookie player here to compete, I'm pretty sure DeMeco will start them when they're ready, draft position be damned. Of course, I would like for that time to be now but that may not happen.

What I think a lot of people are afraid of (and I know it's a concern of mine) but don't want to admit, if Stroud isn't ready right away and the Texans have another horrible season, and the Browns have a good season, picking Stroud at 2 (and as a consequence having to give up potentially very valuable 2024 draft capital to trade up to draft Anderson at 3) is going to look really bad. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it's certainly in the realm of possibility.

The Texans will probably try to protect Stroud by relying on the running game with Pierce. If they're effective at that, they'll probably be okay. If not, Stroud may need to be really good really fast to avoid the scenario above.

So you remember Peyton Manning’s too correct? Hall of Fame Career. They built that team around him.
I understand the concerns but this to me is totally different. The offensive line on paper looks way better than what Carr had. Another thing we saw them throw out Tom Savage. Dude spent 4 years in Bill O’Brien’s offensive systemHe was benched and #4 came and looked pretty darn good.
Agreed, no matter who starts, the running game will be the engine to this offense. We saw that in San Francisco , therefore we should see something similar.
All I’m saying is get the ball rolling now. That way he could be ready game one. You were bold in this draft, you might as well go into the season with the same energy. You finally have your fans back after 4 years of drama. Don’t disappoint them by trotting out Mills who we’ve all seen isn’t the guy.

 

[steelbtexan]

So you remember Peyton Manning’s too correct? Hall of Fame Career. They built that team around him.
I understand the concerns but this to me is totally different. The offensive line on paper looks way better than what Carr had. Another thing we saw them throw out Tom Savage. Dude spent 4 years in Bill O’Brien’s offensive systemHe was benched and #4 came and looked pretty darn good.
Agreed, no matter who starts, the running game will be the engine to this offense. We saw that in San Francisco , therefore we should see something similar.
All I’m saying is get the ball rolling now. That way he could be ready game one. You were bold in this draft, you might as well go into the season with the same energy. You finally have your fans back after 4 years of drama. Don’t disappoint them by trotting out Mills who we’ve all seen isn’t the guy.

Doing what the fans want is a great idea. They should have a fan of the week and that fan gets to call plays that week. I really do hope they start Stroud week 1. He should start if he's as good as the hype coming out of mini camp.

 

[Speedy]

That said, I also don't want another quarterback ruined here because neither he nor those around him are ready to take the field.

I think the being ruined thing is a bit overrated. We say David Carr was ruined but the reality is dude didn’t put the work in. Talent alone won’t get you very far in this league. CJ has the talent. As long as he puts the work in he’ll be fine. Sure, it’s a much more bumpy ride if the team isn’t up to par, but I don’t think a player gets “ruined” because of it.

 

[Boris]

I think the being ruined thing is a bit overrated. We say David Carr was ruined but the reality is dude didn’t put the work in. Talent alone won’t get you very far in this league. CJ has the talent. As long as he puts the work in he’ll be fine. Sure, it’s a much more bumpy ride if the team isn’t up to par, but I don’t think a player gets “ruined” because of it.

I think the ruined narrative was shaped by a specific game
We trotted him out there while he got a beating (don;t remember what game it was...perhaps vs the Chargers on the road?)

looking at it now....could the staff's perspective have been more punishment/consequences for poor habits versus selling us his grit Junction Boys style (which is what i thought @ the time - "dude's a bada$$ suffering this mauling", not realising he never put in the time/work to properly read)?

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Let’s try this reality……the Texans have “zero” success in developing a drafted QB for the long term….zero. If Ryans and Caserio have a different plan….then I have no issues.

 

[cuppacoffee]

I was actually giving Mills the benefit of doubt. Calling the 31st ranked passer mediocre is a compliment.

You didn't answer my question: How many 3rd round picks get 26 starts in their initial 2 seasons?

I give up.

How many. Start with the first draft Feb 8, 1936. Names and number of starts who qualify gets you bonus points.

 

[Boris]

How many 3rd round picks get 26 starts in their initial 2 seasons?

 

[cuppacoffee]

Maybe plenty do. How many of those are bottom 5 QBs 2 years running and should continue getting “fair” chances after you’ve drafted his replacement with the 2nd overall pick? And who also brought in a 10 year veteran??? Don’t forget that part. If Mills is competing for anything it should be QB2. And I’d still take Case 8 days a week over Mills.

Wait, were you on the Savage over Watson train?

Will never understand why people champion mediocre at best talent, especially on a team that’s been starving for talent for a while now. Makes no damn sense. And let’s be real here, mediocre would be a gimongous improvement for Mills.

What I will never understand is why posters ask such shallow / nonsensical questions when trying to prove a point. A question they have no clue themselves as to the answer.

You don't like Mills. I get it. I don't care.

I like Mills. Accept it. Why should you care.

No one is changing their mind today.

 

[Speedy]

What I will never understand is why posters ask such shallow / nonsensical questions when trying to prove a point. A question they have no clue themselves as to the answer.

You don't like Mills. I get it. I don't care.

I like Mills. Accept it. Why should you care.

No one is changing their mind today.

Sensitive much? Maybe you need some decaffeinated.

If you’re down for a mediocre dude, have fun with that. No skin off me. But since there was a conversation about giving a scrub QB equal time to compete, I’ll give an opinion on it as I see fit since this is the place to do such things. Not on me if you can’t handle a conversation and have to resort to being a condescending ass. Talk about shallow.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Sensitive much? Maybe you need some decaffeinated.

If you’re down for a mediocre dude, have fun with that. No skin off me. But since there was a conversation about giving a scrub QB equal time to compete, I’ll give an opinion on it as I see fit since this is the place to do such things. Not on me if you can’t handle a conversation and have to resort to being a condescending ass. Talk about shallow.

..Condescending ass? Very adult response.

Sensitive much?

Probably do your blood pressure some good to put me on ignore because if you reply to my posts, you will most likely get a return reply.
And you probably won't approve of it..

And yes, I'm having fun with it. Aren't you?

 

[steelbtexan]

..Condescending ass? Very adult response.

Sensitive much?

Probably do your blood pressure some good to put me on ignore because if you reply to my posts, you will most likely get a return reply.
And you probably won't approve of it..

And yes, I'm having fun with it. Aren't you?

Great post and it's impossible to have fun with anything when you're heads in a spreadsheet always trying to prove that you're right.

I particularly like how he implies things saying I post 100 times a day, but he's not man enough to reply to me. In Moss Hill they refer to that as cowardice.

 

[JB]

I particularly like how he implies things saying I post 100 times a day, but he's not man enough to reply to me. In Moss Hill they refer to that as cowardice.

Doesn't he have you on ignore?

 

[steelbtexan]

Doesn't he have you on ignore?

I've got no idea.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Doesn't he have you on ignore?

Message boards are no place for thin skinned people.

 

[Texazan]

Message boards are no place for thin skinned people.

What?? Bro (can I call you bro?) I’ve got some really thin skin in at least one very important area and yet here I am!

 

[cuppacoffee]

What?? Bro (can I call you bro?) I’ve got some really thin skin in at least one very important area and yet here I am!

Proud to be your bro.

Thin skin not always a bad thing.

 

[Thorn]

Message boards are no place for thin skinned people.

Message boards are also no place for anyone who can't learn how to skip over posts that you know before hand they're gonna be stupid, inflammatory, and draw you into endless BS.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Message boards are also no place for anyone who can't learn how to skip over posts that you know before hand they're gonna be stupid, inflammatory, and draw you into endless BS.

Like a moth to a flame.

 

[Speedy]

Message boards are also no place for anyone who can't learn how to skip over posts that you know before hand they're gonna be stupid, inflammatory, and draw you into endless BS.

The hell? That's all this board is.

 

[cuppacoffee]

I am beginning to think that my continuing support for Mills is misinterpreted as a dislike for Stroud.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
I hope Stroud becomes the next Brady.
I'd just like to see Mills succeed. Can't understand why every Texan fan can't support that.
I try to not give up on people.

 

[Texansballer74]

Mills can succeed somewhere else. He’s not that guy. Move on, why can’t some Texans fans get behind that. 26 games is enough evidence to back up that claim.

And before those select few jump off the deep end. I was pulling hard for Mills before last season started. He played like pure trash and was benched for it. I don’t want to hear all the excuses again.

 

[JB]

Mills can succeed somewhere else. He’s not that guy. Move on, why can’t some Texans fans get behind that. 26 games is enough evidence to back up that claim.

Why does it upset you that some Texans fans might have an opinion that differs from yours?

 

[thunderkyss]

Mills can succeed somewhere else. He’s not that guy. Move on, why can’t some Texans fans get behind that. 26 games is enough evidence to back up that claim.

And before those select few jump off the deep end. I was pulling hard for Mills before last season started. He played like pure trash and was benched for it. I don’t want to hear all the excuses again.

I’m just the opposite. I didn’t care for the pick to begin with. He impressed me that 1st season.

I personally don’t think 2 seasons is enough to evaluate even a QB, especially one with so little college playing experience.

Still, the Texans weren’t going to put all their eggs in that basket. I didn’t want to draft a QB with either of their 1st round picks, but they did.

I don’t know when Davis will have another opportunity to play in a regular season game, but when he does, I hope he balls like a 1st round, All-Pro, offensive player of the year, MVP candidate. So Caserio can trade him for a 4th & 5th round pick in a future draft.

 

[Lucky]

And before those select few jump off the deep end. I was pulling hard for Mills before last season started.

I do remember that you were a big supporter of Mills going into 2022.

 

[Lucky]

Why does it upset you that some Texans fans might have an opinion that differs from yours?

I rather enjoy telling people how wrong they are.

 

[beerlover]

Are you conflating the #2 overall pick with the capital used to trade up to the #3 overall pick?

The #2 overall pick, which we owned free & clear was used on the QB. Nothing was "given up"

Just another throw away season

 

[beerlover]

Over in Panthers land.

Panthers QB Bryce Young gets the majority of the first-team reps at his first OTA practice. Veteran Andy Dalton got the first reps with the first-team offense in Monday's OTA practice. Rookie Bryce Young ended up getting more of them.

I don’t know why the Texans brass makes things so complicated and difficult.

Stroud should’ve been getting the same treatment.

Consider you one of our own, elite posters. Just step back for one minute and think about what’s actually going on. First, they are easing Stroud in, yes. Let Mills teach by example some of the things he’s mastered in two seasons as a starter in the league. It’s a transition. Multiple teams have been calling about Mills availability. Truly believe he will be traded sometime during training camp. He has served his need here in Houston and for his efforts and Nick Caserio drafting him, will net out a 2nd day pick in 2024. CJ will be the unquestioned starter. Relax and enjoy the ride.

 

[thunderkyss]

Consider you one of our own, elite posters. Just step back for one minute and think about what’s actually going on. First, they are easing Stroud in, yes. Let Mills teach by example some of the things he’s mastered in two seasons as a starter in the league. It’s a transition. Multiple teams have been calling about Mills availability. Truly believe he will be traded sometime during training camp. He has served his need here in Houston and for his efforts and Nick Caserio drafting him, will net out a 2nd day pick in 2024. CJ will be the unquestioned starter. Relax and enjoy the ride.

I don't know if that is the plan, simply for the fact that they released Ej Perry. Were he still on the team, I would think as you do. He'd be traded before the season.

I'm thinking he'll be the #2 QB through the season & he'll be one play away from showing who he really is (one more chance). Then he'll be trade bait in the offseason... unless Stroud turns out to be injury prone like Trey Lance.

 

[badboy]

I don't know if that is the plan, simply for the fact that they released Ej Perry. Were he still on the team, I would think as you do. He'd be traded before the season.

I'm thinking he'll be the #2 QB through the season & he'll be one play away from showing who he really is (one more chance). Then he'll be trade bait in the offseason... unless Stroud turns out to be injury prone like Trey Lance.

I agree with you but if we could get a day 2 pick for Meals (i don't think we can) get it. Bring in a QB even if EJ.

 

[beerlover]

I don't know if that is the plan, simply for the fact that they released Ej Perry. Were he still on the team, I would think as you do. He'd be traded before the season.

I'm thinking he'll be the #2 QB through the season & he'll be one play away from showing who he really is (one more chance). Then he'll be trade bait in the offseason... unless Stroud turns out to be injury prone like Trey Lance.

 

[beerlover]

Grapple your mind around that. This is not your fathers Houston Texans (no disrespect to Bob, just think he would be proud of how his son has come out of it to restore the Texan vision).

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Grapple your mind around that. This is not your fathers Houston Texans (no disrespect to Bob, just think he would be proud of how his son has come out of it to restore the Texan vision).

That’s b/c someone in the McNair family finally slapped the stupid out of Cal and turned this show over to Caserio and Ryans.

 

[Decim8]

I am beginning to think that my continuing support for Mills is misinterpreted as a dislike for Stroud.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
I hope Stroud becomes the next Brady.
I'd just like to see Mills succeed. Can't understand why every Texan fan can't support that.
I try to not give up on people.

Mills has never really jumped out to me as being anything other than a backup but I’m interested in understanding what you see in him. What does mills have that gives you hope?

 

[thunderkyss]

Mills has never really jumped out to me as being anything other than a backup but I’m interested in understanding what you see in him. What does mills have that gives you hope?

Mills has got all the tools. Just nothing spectacular in any of them. To be a true starter in this league he’s going to have to excel between the ears. The NFL, imo, needs guys like that to succeed.

The athletic QB is “overdone” imo.

Mills showed good poise in 2021. I thought, “maybe he could be that guy.”

Then 2022 happened & I’m pretty sure he’s not. But like I said earlier, two years isn’t enough.

 

[santo]

There were a few occasions where Mills had a chance to come through in the 4th quarter but ended up choking. That’s when I really gave up on him. Plus all those wide open throws he would miss. Maybe Mills will get it together this year but I don’t see him being better than Keenum.

 

[TheRealJoker]

I’m just the opposite. I didn’t care for the pick to begin with. He impressed me that 1st season.

I personally don’t think 2 seasons is enough to evaluate even a QB, especially one with so little college playing experience.

Still, the Texans weren’t going to put all their eggs in that basket. I didn’t want to draft a QB with either of their 1st round picks, but they did.

I don’t know when Davis will have another opportunity to play in a regular season game, but when he does, I hope he balls like a 1st round, All-Pro, offensive player of the year, MVP candidate. So Caserio can trade him for a 4th & 5th round pick in a future draft.

Yep, I was all for letting Mills be the starter last season and see if they can check QB off the list. He did not perform well enough to keep that starting job status going into this season. To not bring in possible upgrades at the position would be irresponsible.

I would love to see him turn it around like Drew Brees did when the Chargers drafted Phillip Rivers because they decided they needed to upgrade the position. I will happily wait and see if he can beat the odds!

End of the day, I don’t care who starts. I just want to see a winning TEAM.

 

[thunderkyss]

I would love to see him turn it around like Drew Brees did when the Chargers drafted Phillip Rivers because they decided they needed to upgrade the position.

That would be cool. But I’d be happy with a safe Daniel Jones turnaround. Just take care of the ball & manage the game.