Idk. I think yall are under valuing Savage's grasp of the offense.
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Do they gradually work CJ in or does he start the opener?
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Decim8
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Imo I’d say rogers is one of the all time greats. Him and brees having only one ring each tells me how difficult it is to win in the NFL……unless your name is Tom Brady of course
Of course he is.
That may be one of the silliest comments I've read anywhere
You don't win 4 MVP awards without being an all time great. The only player in history that has that many or more is Peyton Manning. I guess you don't think he's an all time great either?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
No lie. JJ was robbed.
Doesn't change the fact that he is an all time great
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
You will not die there alone.
Me too!
Sincerely,
Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Joe Flacco. Eli manning won 2. Must make him better than Rodgers.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
My brothers. We may disagree at times but I know y’all are football family.
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I'll say this, Manning had a much better supporting cast for most of his career than Rodgers did. Part of me not thinking he's one of the all-time greats is a personal dislike for him. I think he's an arrogant jerk.
Rodgers and Manning were great regular season QBs. Not so much in the playoffs. How many times did Rodgers choke after earning home field advantage in the playoffs?
I'll say this, Manning had a much better supporting cast for most of his career than Rodgers did. Part of me not thinking he's one of the all-time greats is a personal dislike for him. I think he's an arrogant jerk.
I agree with this part... he did study under Farve after all
Just as good in the clutch.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
I think Mills is better than we have seen up to this point Even with that being said it is not saying much.
Stroud has the potential to be special and no matter when he starts he will be ready.
I don’t know man, Mills looks fine one moment then couldn’t make a play if his life depended on it.
Falls apart under pressure.
Doesn’t light any fire under his teammates with his leadership.
Pass
He probably has a higher S2 score though.
He probably has a higher S2 score though.
And he probably would look better without constant pressure in his face from up the middle. Not to mention the better weapons that Stroud will have around him. Not saying he will be good or even as good as Stroud. Just saying Mills really never stood a chance with the coaching staff/weapons around him.
You know Mills sucks right?
I admit I was wrong about Pep Hamilton. Some want to blame Lovie, but Pep had every reason to want to stay in Texas & he trotted out a crappy offense.
Boris
All Pro
You know he only played 14 games in college?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes he trotted out crappy offense but if Mills was able to make simple plays. His offense wouldn’t look so crappy.
Its the 2 years of pro putrid that I’m thinking of
I know he didn't stand a chance, so I dont know if he sucks or not. But I want to move on and get the Stroud experiment on the road as soon as possible.
With the lack of weapons around him it wouldn't have mattered. After all Chris Moore was his WR1 for most of the yr. Chris Freaking Moore. LMAO
TxnsJuggernaut1
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
....for the Texans in 2021 and 2022, who wouldn't suck? Smart and strong veteran QB's wouldn't touch this team, during those 2 years, with a 10' pole.....much like HC'ing candidates. Are you under the impression that the Texans provided Mills the best development opportunity in the NFL?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I was a Mills guy the last two seasons. I really rooted for him to succeed. I saw the potential and was willing to take the losing - because the entire team was bad - if we saw the development from Mills into a legit starter. And I get that he had two different offenses and not a lot of support. But what got me to the point where I was ready to move on was two things: only really looking consistently capable when the game was out of hand, and throwing to 10-foot tall receivers. That last one had nothing to do with coaches, schemes or surrounding talent.
No it was the worst situation.
But I watched the dude play and the problems he has is because of who he is as a quarterback, I don’t see him rising above those inadequacies even the best of circumstances.
I want to see what the Rookie can do with this team and scheme.
And if Mills lights it up in training camp then give him the job, but my money is on CJ.
I'm not sold that Mills won't make a decent NFL starter. Most of them aren't very good.
But yes, a QB that's over his head will look better when the game is out of reach. Teams usually stop throwing new things at them. & play prevent or something.
We drafted CJ, the Texans are moving on. But I don't see why it would be a problem if the Texans had two capable QBs.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Hoping that we see the improvement being in a legitimate system and that he sticks around. I'm still rooting for him.
banned1976
sleeper mode
A lot depends on Slowik. Up until 2019 he had only coached on the defensive side of the ball. He was an offensive assistant in 2019. He's moved up the ladder quickly. Has it been too quick?
I think I'm one of the few on this board that isn't totally convinced the Texans got the right coaches. If they didn't, it might not matter whether CJ plays as good as we'd like or not. Look at all the good football players that have been here only to shrivel on the vine of mediocre to terrible coaching. I'm still excited to see what happens next, though. Hope springs eternal, I guess.
I think I'm one of the few on this board that isn't totally convinced the Texans got the right coaches. If they didn't, it might not matter whether CJ plays as good as we'd like or not. Look at all the good football players that have been here only to shrivel on the vine of mediocre to terrible coaching. I'm still excited to see what happens next, though. Hope springs eternal, I guess.
Mills needs a ten-foot talll receiver.
Or a receiver with tentacles as arms.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Well that didn’t take long:
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
C.J. Stroud working with first-team offense and is "way, way ahead of pace"
Texans rookie C.J.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
Texansballer74
The Marine
Where you been bro I posted this on yesterday. LolWell that didn’t take long:
C.J. Stroud working with first-team offense and is "way, way ahead of pace"
Texans rookie C.J.
BattleRedBlud
Blue Steel Pose. No Excuses!
In my opinion, Mills was as much a stop-gap QB as David Culley was a stop-gap Head Coach. Mills provided us with a cheap QB to carry this franchise through a couple of bad seasons.
The best hope for Mills is to find a re-birth with another franchise much like Tannehill experienced with the Titans. The Texans have moved on, and we thank him for his service.
The best hope for Mills is to find a re-birth with another franchise much like Tannehill experienced with the Titans. The Texans have moved on, and we thank him for his service.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And even then both the offense and defense will be vanilla
Sounds like excuses.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly
That's true. For the record, until proven otherwise, there is nothing wrong with hoping that this reset improves our favorite team and the Texans have found their franchise QB.
After the past couple of years with Watson, BOB, Easterby, Culley and Lovie, loyal fans of this team deserve to catch a break. Here's a virtual toast to Stroud proving the doubters wrong.
Nope,
That's one of the reasons I want Stroud to start day one. He has already been set up to be more successful than Mills ever had a chance to be. When you pick a QB 1-2 you should expect him to be better than Mills right away. They went all in on Stroud/Anderson let's see how this plays out. I think eventually Stroud will be a QB that can get you to the playoffs. You can't win a championship with him. Hopefully sometimes within the next 5 years there's a Purdy moment.moment.
Huh???
Stetson Bennett won the past two National titles. Why wasn't he picked first?
How many National titles did Danny Wuerful win at Florida (hint, one) and how many did Peyton Manning win at Tennessee (hint, ZERO)? Whom would you rather have?
How many National titles did Patrick Mahomes win? How about Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, and Joe Montana?
Difference is he's played with championship level talent around him and couldn't even win a Big 10 championship, much less a NC.
You have been watching football for decades. Yet, in the ultimate team sport. You either give all credit or all blame to the QB. No nuance or shades of gray to your opinion. It's all black or white.
If a QB you like throws for 70 yards and wins a game, he is clutch and a winner. If a QB you dislike throws for 300 yards, leads his team on a late drive, goes to the sideline with 50 seconds left and his defense gives up a game winning TD, it's the QB's fault for losing the game.
At this point. I don't think the daily back and forth you engaged in is to change your mind. It's posters trying to make sense of a biased, illogical opinion. It's the ultimate rabbit hole. Good work sir.
The QB is the leader of the team. I prefer winners to lead the team. It's not all on the QB just like it's not all on the coaches. But after time trends start to develop, where some of the best QB's don't perform well under pressure. Guys like McNabb for example.
Texazan
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I stopped replying a month or so ago. Heels dug in hoping for a told you so moment is the weirdest **** ever if you’re a real fan of this franchise.
Even weirder is I KNOW he’s a real fan so this is being driven by a multitude of dynamics beyond what is being posted and displayed. It’s personal, which is fine but let’s face it we all have things outside of this team that are more important so dying on that hill is just odd.
I’d NEVER take a position like that HOPING to be right and ROOTING for failure. How else can you frame it? I want to be RIGHT so my team that I root for has to FAIL. Be it QB issue or not if the ultimate prize is not secured then see “I told you so.”
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