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CJ Stroud Success Level (Mark it down)

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Do you think he’s a rhythm QB?


Honestly your question- and my response- are a bit rhetorical. I think ALL qb's are rhythm passers to some degree. Cj is more so imo.

He'll need a strong run game and a good understanding of his check downs to overcome pressure.

I think we're all a bit uncertain how Slowik's offense will operate. If it's like most, the center will call protections pre-snap. If that's the case, I want to couple Cj with a top tier center.

I'm not sure we have that guy on our roster.
 
I didn't care about the low S2 score. What threw a red flag for me was his response, "I'm not good with tests, I'm here to play football."

I mean 3.0 GPA & this is your answer?
His GPA is a reflection of knowing the material that he will be tested on before the test is given.…just like his football acumen. He obviously had learned that material well and passed both tests at OSU.
 
His GPA is a reflection of knowing the material that he will be tested on before the test is given.…just like his football acumen. He obviously had learned that material well and passed both tests at OSU.
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His GPA is a reflection of knowing the material that he will be tested on before the test is given.…just like his football acumen. He obviously had learned that material well and passed both tests at OSU.

I'm uneducated on the matter so maybe I'm completely wrong but...

The s2 seems to me a practice in rehearsal. If we take the same test 50 times, I think it's safe to say our last score will be significantly higher then our first one.

Did the people around cj not emphasize it enough? That lends it's own questions?
 
I'm uneducated on the matter so maybe I'm completely wrong but...

The s2 seems to me a practice in rehearsal. If we take the same test 50 times, I think it's safe to say our last score will be significantly higher then our first one.

Did the people around cj not emphasize it enough? That lends it's own questions?
It doesn’t matter now since he did go 2nd overall. Levis scored higher and he went in the 2nd round. 🤣
 
I'm gonna assume that's their best guess estimate of what he would run.. seeing as he hasn't been timed anywhere officially.


Idk. If you find a better source I'm all ears. I ran a 4.8 in hs and that's still gotta be faster then Schaubly.
 
I'm uneducated on the matter so maybe I'm completely wrong but...

The s2 seems to me a practice in rehearsal. If we take the same test 50 times, I think it's safe to say our last score will be significantly higher then our first one.

Did the people around cj not emphasize it enough? That lends it's own questions?
I don’t know anything about that test either. not even sure if it can be rehearsed in the sense it may have a changing structure? If it’s a test to gauge your ability to process quickly evolving data? it would seem a football game is a pretty good test.
 
I hear ya, and I agree on ALWAYS wanting a pass first qb. But I think he can run. Highlights don't really show it which is actually a good thing. It's truly a last option for him. He ran a 4.5. If we can threaten a defense horizontally with hard play fakes and a boot game, it could be devastating.

He seems fast enough to threaten on film. As long as it’s a last resort it’s a nice perk. I once saw Tom Brady juke Brian Urlacher. Threaten with the pass first and when you actually do run, the defense is caught off guard!
 
I'm uneducated on the matter so maybe I'm completely wrong but...

The s2 seems to me a practice in rehearsal. If we take the same test 50 times, I think it's safe to say our last score will be significantly higher then our first one.

Did the people around cj not emphasize it enough? That lends it's own questions?
Lol, you intrigued me to read a little about the test. It’s kinda vague but as best as I can tell when he drops back to pass and can’t spell blitz backwards before he has to get the ball out of his hands then he probably won’t test well.
 
Idk. If you find a better source I'm all ears. I ran a 4.8 in hs and that's still gotta be faster then Schaubly.

I'm just saying there are only two really recognized venues for legit times - the combine and school pro days. And if it's known that he didn't run at either then the only conclusion is they're making assumptions to post numbers for clicks. Unless they provided some kind of source for their number, but I doubt that..
 
Point is an S2 isn’t the type of test you can study for? He may be the type that got frozen on the procedure?
I don’t care. Had nothing to do with the point I was making. I couldn’t care less about his score, means nothing to me.

I hate his answer & think he’s smart enough to answer better.
 
I don’t care. Had nothing to do with the point I was making. I couldn’t care less about his score, means nothing to me.

I hate his answer & think he’s smart enough to answer better.

Geez. If there’s not enough about this young man’s play on a football field to criticize that we have to go looking for **** off the football field, then I’m liking picking up this dude even more.
 
Geez. If there’s not enough about this young man’s play on a football field to criticize that we have to go looking for **** off the football field, then I’m liking picking up this dude even more.
I’m not looking for it. Just like you I’m responding to posts on a message board.

I’ve got nothing against Stroud. I have no problem with the Texans drafting him with the 2nd overall pick. The only QB I don’t like in this draft is Bryce Young.

I didn’t pound the table for CJ Stroud. I didn’t want the Texans to draft any QB with 1.2 or 1.12

But I’m happy they drafted Stroud & not Young
 
He doesn't, just like nobody else knew. He'll CJ nor his agent knew. DeMeco said the only people who knew were Carsterio and himself. Everyone else was guessing.
what you say has zero to do with Doc knowing if Stroud was Caserio's choice. IIRC, CnnnD post was after the second selection. Where Texans had JC on their board doesn’t have anthing to do with Nick having the QB as his choice. Of course the player or agent would not know, but again that has zilch to do with Caserio.
 
Working in the data field..... 50 examples is typically the threshold for more "accurate" data.

I think the S2 is largely irrelevant at this time. Yes NFL teams use it, but if you are picking at the top of the first round and are selecting guys who were actually Heisman level production/talented players, then theres been about 6 NFL QB's in the last 5 years who I would classify as being a part of the data field.

Do the math... its going to be a while until the data is significant to suggest it has any indication on what a player with real talent can do.

Problem is, if CJ works out which I suspect he will after watching his tape. Then we will suggest the S2 is largely irrelevant for elite prospects? You need more sample sizes. Making career assumptions with low data samples is just showing me you have a narrative you want to push or don't understand data. Nothing personal there, but the only people pushing the S2 are casual fans and analyst who were projecting draft boards.

What do we know?

Carolina moved up for him per their insiders originally.
Houston graded him as a 1a/1b with Bryce Young per their scouting department as mentioned by Brooks Kubena.
Houston took him as the 2nd overall.
The Titans were willing to mortgage their future despite not having capital like the Texans for him at 3.
The Colts were reportedly going to take him at 4 if he was there per their insiders.
The Raiders and Falcons were reportedly very interested in him as well among other teams.

I have my doubts NFL teams at this point even put much credence in to this test. Sure seemed like a lot of them could care less on draft night.
Same could be said for the short, small frame guy who went 1.1. S2 seems to be another technique that may or may not be used as is the draft point evaluation. We've heard what Nick said about that.
 
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C.J. Stroud, 6'3", 215, 11 - 2, Drafted 1.2 2022,
SeasonGames
GPGSRecordCmpAttPctYdsAvgTDIntRtgAttYdsAvgTD
20221311-225838966.33,6889.5416176.235742.10
Zach Wilson, 6'2", 214, 11 - 1, Drafted 1.2 2021, broke Steve Young's record.

GPRecordCmpAttPctYdsTDIntRtgAttYdsAvgTD
20201211-124733673.53,692333196.4722864.010
(561) Zach Wilson FULL Pro Day Highlights: Every Throw - YouTube
Zach Wilson 3 years starting at BYU:
566/837 7652 yds 56 td 15 int 162.9 rating

CJ Stroud 2 years starting at OSU:
575/830 8123 yds 85 td 12 int 182.4 rating
 
Dude can run but the fact that he can throw from the pocket has me more excited.

Is this 2021? The year he had NEGATIVE 20 rushing yards with his highest rushing total in a game being 13 yards?

Or is this 2022, where he had 74 rushing yards in the entire regular season, with 79 coming in one game against Northwestern?

The fact that he has a rushing highlight reel, and had less than 90 net yards rushing in his two seasons as a starter on 79 attempts, shows that he really isn't that much better than Schaub at running, or that he made some bad decisions about when to run.

We are not getting a dual threat QB. We are not getting a QB that can effectively run. Because he didn't in college. Not that he chose not to, but rather because when he did he barely averaged 1 yard per carry. You don't rack up 12 games in 25 starts with negative rushing yards if you can choose to turn it on when needed.

Because even Schaub ran for a 1st down every now and then.
 
Is this 2021? The year he had NEGATIVE 20 rushing yards with his highest rushing total in a game being 13 yards?

Or is this 2022, where he had 74 rushing yards in the entire regular season, with 79 coming in one game against Northwestern?

The fact that he has a rushing highlight reel, and had less than 90 net yards rushing in his two seasons as a starter on 79 attempts, shows that he really isn't that much better than Schaub at running, or that he made some bad decisions about when to run.

We are not getting a dual threat QB. We are not getting a QB that can effectively run. Because he didn't in college. Not that he chose not to, but rather because when he did he barely averaged 1 yard per carry. You don't rack up 12 games in 25 starts with negative rushing yards if you can choose to turn it on when needed.

Because even Schaub ran for a 1st down every now and then.

I think the thing about his running is that he made the decision to NOT do it and to do everything he could to win from the pocket. He's athletic enough to run, but that's just not part of his mindset.
 
Is this 2021? The year he had NEGATIVE 20 rushing yards with his highest rushing total in a game being 13 yards?

Or is this 2022, where he had 74 rushing yards in the entire regular season, with 79 coming in one game against Northwestern?

The fact that he has a rushing highlight reel, and had less than 90 net yards rushing in his two seasons as a starter on 79 attempts, shows that he really isn't that much better than Schaub at running, or that he made some bad decisions about when to run.

We are not getting a dual threat QB. We are not getting a QB that can effectively run. Because he didn't in college. Not that he chose not to, but rather because when he did he barely averaged 1 yard per carry. You don't rack up 12 games in 25 starts with negative rushing yards if you can choose to turn it on when needed.

Because even Schaub ran for a 1st down every now and then.

Dual-threat QBs in the NFL get hurt. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Let CJ run when needed to escape pressure...that's it. Don't care.
 
I think the thing about his running is that he made the decision to NOT do it and to do everything he could to win from the pocket. He's athletic enough to run, but that's just not part of his mindset.

Agreed. Just saying that although athletically gifted enough to run, when he did decide to, he wasn't particularly effective at it. So let's not expect that to be part of his game in the pros. Especially if Case Keenum is his mentor...
 
I think the thing about his running is that he made the decision to NOT do it and to do everything he could to win from the pocket. He's athletic enough to run, but that's just not part of his mindset.
@CloakNNNdagger posted an article this year that quoted Strod saying the Ohio State coaches asked Stroud not to run unless necessary. Stroud seperated his shoulder in the first game of 2021, and the coaches were concerned with Stroud getting hurt again. The reins came off in the playoffs vs. Georgia, and Stroud made 2 big 4th quarter scrambles to keep the Buckeyes hopes alive. He's no Matt Schaub.
 
@CloakNNNdagger posted an article this year that quoted Strod saying the Ohio State coaches asked Stroud not to run unless necessary. Stroud seperated his shoulder in the first game of 2021, and the coaches were concerned with Stroud getting hurt again. The reins came off in the playoffs vs. Georgia, and Stroud made 2 big 4th quarter scrambles to keep the Buckeyes hopes alive. He's no Matt Schaub.

The film don’t lie. I’ve watched him and Schaub both run in games. They are not at all similar.
 
@CloakNNNdagger posted an article this year that quoted Strod saying the Ohio State coaches asked Stroud not to run unless necessary. Stroud seperated his shoulder in the first game of 2021, and the coaches were concerned with Stroud getting hurt again. The reins came off in the playoffs vs. Georgia, and Stroud made 2 big 4th quarter scrambles to keep the Buckeyes hopes alive. He's no Matt Schaub.
He's going to be the next Zach Wilson and he runs like him too.
(562) Zach Wilson Runs for 50-Yd TD! - YouTube

(562) BYU QB Zach Wilson 2020 Highlights - YouTube
 
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Zach Wilson 3 years starting at BYU:
566/837 7652 yds 56 td 15 int 162.9 rating

CJ Stroud 2 years starting at OSU:
575/830 8123 yds 85 td 12 int 182.4 rating
Imagine for a moment if Zach Wilson had Marvin Harrison, Emeka Egbuka, Garett Wilson, Chris Olave, and Jaxon Smith-Njigba for his WRs.
 
Agreed. Just saying that although athletically gifted enough to run, when he did decide to, he wasn't particularly effective at it. So let's not expect that to be part of his game in the pros. Especially if Case Keenum is his mentor...
He said was very effective against the top rated defense in college football.
 
I’m not looking for it. Just like you I’m responding to posts on a message board.

I’ve got nothing against Stroud. I have no problem with the Texans drafting him with the 2nd overall pick. The only QB I don’t like in this draft is Bryce Young.

I didn’t pound the table for CJ Stroud. I didn’t want the Texans to draft any QB with 1.2 or 1.12

But I’m happy they drafted Stroud & not Young
Pretty much how I feel. The closer we got to the draft, the more I didn't want Bryce Young.
 
He said was very effective against the top rated defense in college football.

Sure. On two runs in the fourth quarter while OSU was blowing a 14 point lead on both sides of the ball. When he was also 3/7 for 20 yards and a sack. I give him credit for doing whatever he could to find a way to keep his team in the game. But he wasn't cooking in that second half like he was in the first half.

I went backed and looked at the rest of his game logs for the longest run he had in each game. Outside of the Northwestern game that I already mentioned - and it was a bad weather game heavily slanted towards the run where he went 10/26 for 79 yards - he had two runs the entire year that were longer than 6 yards. One was 8 yards and the other was 11 yards.

So is the fourth quarter of the Georgia game the rule or the exception?

Again, I am not saying he doesn't have the athletic ability to be an effective runner. I am saying that he was not consistently an effective runner across two years as a starter, whether that was choice, scheme or ability. In an entire season his best two runs were in the fourth quarter of the last game he ever played. That yielded three points in a come-from-ahead loss.

To see that he has crafted his trade in being a prototypical pocket passer, then point to a (very) few good runs he made in college, and extrapolate that out to a position that he is going to do that regularly in the NFL and DC's are going to have to gameplan on his running ability? That's a lot of Kool-Aid. IMO.
 
This is the article @CloakNNNdagger posted a few months ago on Stroud's limited running at Ohio State.


From the article:

According to Wilson (Ohio State OC Kevin Wilson), Ohio State doesn’t call many designed runs for its quarterback, primarily to maintain Stroud’s long-term health. The redshirt freshman signal-caller separated the AC joint in his shoulder during the season opener with Minnesota. He appeared to suffer the injury after he landed awkwardly during a scramble early in the game.

“Quite honestly, there’s always the run option for him in some games, but with the shoulder the way he had it, we were trying to minimize some hits, risk and reward,” Wilson said Tuesday. “He’s a very capable runner. I just think coming off the shoulder that he had early, we just try to be smart.”

Even if Stroud hadn’t injured his shoulder, Day said an Ohio State quarterback’s primary focus is to throw the football. While he understands the significance of having Stroud be a dual-threat player, he wants the Rancho Cucamonga, Calif., native to utilize his passing ability more than his running ability.

“Guys have run here before, and when it’s appropriate, we do. But also, it’s clear that we don’t run it as much as some of the other places. And I tell people that in recruiting. We’re not gonna come here and just run you into the ground,” Day said Tuesday. “It’s a long season. And we’ve got really good players on offense. So when the time is right and we need to do it, we gotta do it. But at the same time, putting our guys at risk for a long season is not something we do here. And I believe strongly in that. That quarterback position is a very important position.”
 
I don’t care. Had nothing to do with the point I was making. I couldn’t care less about his score, means nothing to me.

I hate his answer & think he’s smart enough to answer better.
his answer gave every indication of him trying to blow off somebody pressing him for an explanation. What exactly should he have said to make you happy? Perhaps an apology for being stupid? How would you even know if any answer he decides to offer has any semblance in truth? maybe he would hate your question and think you are smart enough to question better?
 
I like that you keep doubling and tripling down. Crash & burn.
What are you talking about Willis. Wilson had better stats and when Stroud did run he ran about as well as Wilson. So if OSU had turned Stroud lose to run you could expect to see what you did from Wilson. They both run about a 4.75 40. Wilson was effective as a running QB. So, what is your point other than trolling? Bored? We really have reached a point where we expect more from the staff.
 
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