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2023 HC Poll

Who do you want for the new HC?

  • Sean Payton

    Votes: 17 15.7%

  • DeMeco Ryans

    Votes: 48 44.4%

  • Mike Kafka

    Votes: 5 4.6%

  • Jonathan Gannon

    Votes: 11 10.2%

  • Shane Steichen

    Votes: 14 13.0%

  • Ben Johnson

    Votes: 8 7.4%

  • Ejiro Evero

    Votes: 1 0.9%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • Total voters
    108
Lucky said:
And Saleh learned the defense from Pete Carroll. Who learned it from Monte Kiffen. Who learned it from Floyd Paters. Who learned it from Fritz Shurmur. And so on.

There's nothing original in the NFL. It's all derivative. It's how you can teach what you know during the week, then how you can implement it on Sunday.

Can you teach what you know? Can you lead? Can you outsmart the smartass coach across the field? That's your criteria for a head coach. Don't make this too complicated.
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While true, that in itself is sad....but that is a discussion for another thread.
 
steelbtexan said:
The coaches didn't really matter. This was about gathering talent in the draft and cap space. Both were accomplished. When Culley was hired as HC he was supposed to be there for 2 yrs. It didn't work out, no big deal. It's not my money that Cal has/had to pay Culley/Lovie. Lovie was a Cal snafu. This has always been a 2 yr cleanup. Now that that part is through, it's time to not only use the draft picks gotten from the Derrick trade, but it's also time for Cal to step up and add a few top tier FA's. Even if he has to overpay, he should bring in a run stopper like Tomlinson and he needs to find a LB to go with Harris and to a certain extent Cashman, unless you think Hansen is ready to take on more of a role. The guy that would make a big difference in this team is Bradbury. Getting an above avg veteran Center would make more of an impact on this team other than who thet new QB is and how well he plays. I would overpay for Bradbury before Tomlinson. Do you think Cal will spend the money to get these guys down on Kirby? The kinds of guys you sign in FA will be dependent on the new coaching staff. But they definitely need to improve in this area if they want to begin to take steps to get the fans back in the seats.

Like I said before next yrs record doesn't matter to me. Adding playmakers in both the draft and FA are all that matters to me.

If they want to draft a surer thing like Mayer at 1-12 it wouldn't bother me at all. Mayer is a 10 year starter in the league. I would rather take a chance on a guy with the highest WR ceiling in this draft with Hyatt.
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I think Cal is capable of all kinds of buffoonery and Tomfoolery.

I can see Cal making Laremy Tunsil the highest-paid LT and that coming back to bite him in the butt. We missed Cross last year. Broderick Jones at #12 (combine approved) fixes the Tunsil problem and is most favorable to the long-term salary cap.

Another problem with this ongoing 3-year rebuild, 3 HC in 3 years, is if the Texans end up hiring a WCO/ZBS HC then Kenyon Green and his lack of athleticism is not a good fit.
 
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rmartin65 said:
I’d be very disappointed if the Texans gave up the 12th overall pick for a coach , even a good one.

There are plenty of good football minds out there. Go find one that won’t cost assets.
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There are plenty of good football players out there.. go find one that won't cost a high draft pick?
 
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Texian said:
I think Cal is capable of all kinds of buffoonery and Tomfoolery.

I can see Cal making Laremy Tunsil the highest-paid LT and that coming back to bite him in the butt. We missed Cross last year. Broderick Jones at #12 (combine approved) fixes the Tunsil problem and is most favorable to the long-term salary cap.

Another problem with this ongoing 3-year rebuild, 3 HC in 3 years, is if the Texans end up hiring a WCO/ZBS HC then Kenyon Green and his lack of athleticism is not a good fit.
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The Green thing is a good point but I just don’t understand the Tunsil argument at all. You want to get rid of a top 5 LT, one of the only positions we’re set at on the whole roster, and replace him with a rookie? Cross had a decent season for a rookie but the qualifier there is the “for a rookie part” and I’m guessing the coaching Cross got in Seattle is a step above what he would have gotten here. That would just be a silly move.
 
Khelar said:
The Green thing is a good point but I just don’t understand the Tunsil argument at all. You want to get rid of a top 5 LT, one of the only positions we’re set at on the whole roster, and replace him with a rookie? Cross had a decent season for a rookie but the qualifier there is the “for a rookie part” and I’m guessing the coaching Cross got in Seattle is a step above what he would have gotten here. That would just be a silly move.
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And just to add on while I don’t think Tunsil is a good enough run blocker to be paid more than Trent Williams nows a good time to pay him. We’re about to have a rookie QB on a (relatively) cheap rookie contract and one of our top priorities should be to protect that rookie. I imagine the deal if it happens will put Tunsil under contract till 2027 or so, conveniently right when we’ll be talking extensions with the new QB if we hit on the pick. We don’t really have anyone we need to pay in the meantime which I guess is one of the nice things about having no star power on the roster
 
Khelar said:
The Green thing is a good point but I just don’t understand the Tunsil argument at all. You want to get rid of a top 5 LT, one of the only positions we’re set at on the whole roster, and replace him with a rookie? Cross had a decent season for a rookie but the qualifier there is the “for a rookie part” and I’m guessing the coaching Cross got in Seattle is a step above what he would have gotten here. That would just be a silly move.
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Right now Tunsil is over 15% of the salary cap in 2023. If you are a minimum of 3 years away from being competitive why would you want to compromise the salary cap that long for a guy who is just basically looking for a big payday? Tunsil will make over $100MM for four years, and a newly drafted LT at #12 will make $16MM over four years. You don't have to be a math major to get it. You can sign a lot of really good players for the difference.
 
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JB said:
That is not a mid to late first round pick, but still too much imo
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It could actually be made an interesting argument in a negotiation.. that for all intents and purposes our 1st pick of the 2nd round is the equivalent of a late (albeit very, very late) first round pick as the actual 32nd overall selection.

That is, If their parameters really are a mid-to-late first round pick.
 
Mollywhopper said:
It could actually be made an interesting argument in a negotiation.. that for all intents and purposes our 1st pick of the 2nd round is the equivalent of a late (albeit very, very late) first round pick as the actual 32nd overall selection.

That is, If their parameters really are a mid-to-late first round pick.
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Not the case anymore...Chicago owns that pick now
edit: Pittsburgh via Chicago owns that pick now
 
Mollywhopper said:
It could actually be made an interesting argument in a negotiation.. that for all intents and purposes our 1st pick of the 2nd round is the equivalent of a late (albeit very, very late) first round pick as the actual 32nd overall selection.

That is, If their parameters really are a mid-to-late first round pick.
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FOMO Cal will ante up the 12th pick. 12 is a mid-1st rd pick.
 
Texian said:
Right now Tunsil is over 15% of the salary cap in 2023. If you are a minimum of 3 years away from being competitive why would you want to compromise the salary cap that long for a guy who is just basically looking for a big payday? Tunsil will make over $100MM for four years, and a newly drafted LT at #12 will make $16MM over four years. You don't have to be a math major to get it. You can sign a lot of really good players for the difference.
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Texian said:
Right now Tunsil is over 15% of the salary cap in 2023. If you are a minimum of 3 years away from being competitive why would you want to compromise the salary cap that long for a guy who is just basically looking for a big payday? Tunsil will make over $100MM for four years, and a newly drafted LT at #12 will make $16MM over four years. You don't have to be a math major to get it. You can sign a lot of really good players for the difference.
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Assuming Tunsil’s new contract APY lands around 26-27mil (that’s the highest I would go at least) you’re looking at saving about 20 mil against what Cross’ hit is next year. But now your new QB is being protected by a meh LT instead of an all pro caliber one and you’ve got 20 million to pay (bad team tax) for a couple above average free agents.

Don’t build through free agency, keep the great players you have and build through the draft.
 
I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from but the #3 pick's entire 4-year contract is for $35MM. That is what Tunsil's cap hit is just for 2023. So based on your numbers that is $35MM for 4 years vs $108MM for 4 years. That is before Tunsil returns to the Tunsil form we are all too familiar with. 2022 was the year for him to get paid, that's why he was ballin. Plain and Simple!
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Texian said:
I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from but the #3 pick's entire 4-year contract is for $35MM. That is what Tunsil's cap hit is just for 2023. So based on your numbers that is $35MM for 4 years vs $108MM for 4 years. That is before Tunsil returns to the Tunsil form we are all too familiar with. 2022 was the year for him to get paid, that's why he was ballin. Plain and Simple!
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Could be wrong but I thought Tunsil cap hit was artificially high due to the restructure. I would not support paying him any more than 26 maybe 27 a year which is why I was using those numbers. And I’m not sure what form you’re talking about. Pretty sure his meh 2021 was because he was playing through injuries, outside of that he’s been excellent
 
Khelar said:
Could be wrong but I thought Tunsil cap hit was artificially high due to the restructure. I would not support paying him any more than 26 maybe 27 a year which is why I was using those numbers. And I’m not sure what form you’re talking about. Pretty sure his meh 2021 was because he was playing through injuries, outside of that he’s been excellent
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When you restructure a contract Piper still has to get paid. Nothing artificial about his salary cap hit. I don't think his 2022 performance in a contract year is a coincidence. It's not just the money. In addition, there would also be some high draft capital included, as much as a 1st and a 2nd. Just what a team in rebuilding needs.
 
steelbtexan said:
Wonder if they would take pick 2-33 and pick 4-103?

2-33 would normally be the 1st pick in the 2nd rd. Pick 4-103 should make the this equal the equivalent of 1-27 or so.
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FOMO Cal will offer #12 without being asked and then be all too happy to pay Payton's $20MM a year salary (without Drew Brees). I'm beginning to wonder if Payton isn't so much interested in returning to coaching as he is about getting a BIG payday. Is there a bigger sucker than Cal FOMO McNair to make Sean Payton's dreams come true? Over 60 it all vests and he doesn't worry about paying it back or finding another job. All he has to do is ride off into the sunset.
 
Texian said:
FOMO Cal will offer #12 without being asked and then be all too happy to pay Payton's $20MM a year salary (without Drew Brees). I'm beginning to wonder if Payton isn't so much interested in returning to coaching as he is about getting a BIG payday. Is there a bigger sucker than Cal FOMO McNair to make Sean Payton's dreams come true? Over 60 it all vests and he doesn't worry about paying it back or finding another job. All he has to do is ride off into the sunset.
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I'm thinking he needs another Lombardi to seal his HOF induction. This is why I dont think Payton will end up down on Kirby.
 
Texian said:
FOMO Cal will offer #12 without being asked and then be all too happy to pay Payton's $20MM a year salary (without Drew Brees). I'm beginning to wonder if Payton isn't so much interested in returning to coaching as he is about getting a BIG payday. Is there a bigger sucker than Cal FOMO McNair to make Sean Payton's dreams come true? Over 60 it all vests and he doesn't worry about paying it back or finding another job. All he has to do is ride off into the sunset.
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I can see it now. FOMO Cal trades the #12 pick to New Orleans for Sean Payton. As soon as Payton gets onboard he trades the #2 pick for David Carr. Just because this is the Texans and Cal FOMO McNair. UUMMM MALI MALI UUMMM.
 
Texian said:
When you restructure a contract Piper still has to get paid. Nothing artificial about his salary cap hit. I don't think his 2022 performance in a contract year is a coincidence. It's not just the money. In addition, there would also be some high draft capital included, as much as a 1st and a 2nd. Just what a team in rebuilding needs.
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Well you’d have to use one of those firsts on replacing the man so not really as great a deal as you make it sound. As for his performance it’s not like he hasn’t played very well until this year. Before this year he had two great years and one meh one due to injury.
 
Texian said:
When you restructure a contract Piper still has to get paid. Nothing artificial about his salary cap hit. I don't think his 2022 performance in a contract year is a coincidence. It's not just the money. In addition, there would also be some high draft capital included, as much as a 1st and a 2nd. Just what a team in rebuilding needs.
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It isn't a coincidence, it's how he plays. 2019 probowl led to his extension. 2020 1st year of extension. .. probowl again. 2021 playing good until injured. Debatable if he could return but he was definitely not happy camper. 2022 probowl.
 
badboy said:
I Do not advocate trading pick 12 for Payton however any player at that pic can be matched in round 2 in my opinion.
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JJ Watt was picked at 11. You're not finding a JJ in the 2nd round.

The inherent problem is assuming the Texans will screw up the 1.12 pick and assuming Payton will turn this franchise around.

However, it could also be presented that a pass rusher at 1.12 could be a bigger impact than a coach that quits after 2 seasons because it's the Houston Texans doing Houston Texans things.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Maybe this is just one of those snafu things..
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There is no maybe about it, it definitely is a FUBAR on the magnitude of the Texans signing DeShaun Watson to a new long-term contract a year before Cal ran him off. You pooped in your Troll lunch pail here but no big deal, many here do it.
 
Texian said:
There is no maybe about it, it definitely is a FUBAR on the magnitude of the Texans signing DeShaun Watson to a new long-term contract a year before Cal ran him off. You pooped in your Troll lunch pail here but no big deal, many here do it.
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Watch out for the poop.

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