I first read this as 'I like complaining'
My eyes almost bugged out that you would admit it
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Nick Caserio - New GM
- Thread starter gwallaia
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My eyes almost bugged out that you would admit it
Except it is the rare player that has made it through high school and 3 years of college ball with no injuries
Thanks Lovie!
Texian
Hall of Fame
This demolition is taking longer. The lost decade?
Yeah, they've had to go 9-37-1 in 3 seasons in order to obtain those draft picks and cap space. Doesn't take any special talent to do that; that's the easy part.
Now they actually have to build a winning football team. And there's nothing in the Houston water that ensures they will become a Super Bowl team just because you have a few more first round draft picks.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Nature of the beast & there’s No doubt we obviously got it all covered around here. if The Texans or ESPN/Fox would just give us all the opportunity, The Texans would most likely be contending for and winning SB’s left and right in no time & set up for it for decades b/c apparently its just that easy……i mean with with all the right decisions WE’D be making obviously. I mean Look at who we have on our MB alone:
@76Texan & @Texian & = resident fake ass Bill Polian & Capologist Chris Olsen
@beerlover = resident Greg Cosell / Mel Kiper
@Speedy = resident Vince Lombardi
we would even have the media covered for influence in the event 1 of the above wants to try to go off script & we gotta hold them accountable by putting them on blast
We got
@Porky = resident Jim Rome/Mike Francesca
@steelbtexan & @Earl34 as our resident Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe
@Texansballer74 = resident Stephen A Smith
We even got a REAL team doc in @CloakNNNdagger to give us the REAL on these prospects to stay away from in the draft/FA & not lie to us on the injury report every week…which he actually does do for us here lol.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man those are fighting words. We’re boxing on spot. Lol no way do I act like that dumb ash Steven A Smith
It was a lost decade the minute RS drafted Derrick. I tried to tell posters this. But they wouldn't listen.
They also had to navigate trading a Sexual Predator.
But you're right, who those picks are and if Cal will allow Caserio to draft Hill type players will determine how successful the rebuild will be
leebigeztx
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Man , my 13 yr old could've navigated that trade. 3 1st rd picks, no division teams to sit at the table for a 26 yrs old all pro caliber qb. That's not hard to trade even with the off field allegations. You're acting like he was trading a 34 yr old qb or something. Hell, I wouldn't have had any parameter other than the 3 1st rd picks. If the Titans or Colts had the capital, I would've sent him there if it was the best deal. It wasn't anything special about that trade especially since he had a no trade clause.
Texian
Hall of Fame
And RS had actual GM training before he became aTexan.
Then we need to sign your 13 yr old up if he can do better than the 2nd best deal for a single player in NFL history. Especially when that player is a sexual predator.
Not good GM training apparently.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Why are you grading the trade when you don't have a clue on how the prospects are going to turn out? Remember the RG3 trade? Ricky Williams trade? Hell, the Russell Wilson trade that seems 1 sided towards the Seahawks. So far, based on early returns, this is nowhere close to the 2nd best trade in the nfl. Hell, its the 2nd best trade that happen this past offseason. You can talk sexual predator and maybe that's your way of elevating your perception of the value of the trade, but Watson is a real life qb in the nfl. What has that extra pick done so far? Check back in 4 years and we will see how good the trade was.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Oh I agree with you somewhat. He may have some good training, he just was a terrible GM. Regardless of that fact, RS still had more training to be a GM than Nick Caserio.
As far as draft capital goes it was the 2nd best trade for a single player in NFL history and I sincerely doubt your 13 yr old could've pulled off the trade. Although you may be correct as P.T. Barnum once said, there's a sucker born everyday. We view Derrick both as a player and a human being. The Browns are going to end up getting what they deserve getting in bed with an overrated pervert.
You're correct the trade comes down to can Caserio build a championship franchise using those picks. I'll tell you this picking Stingley at 1-3 looks bad right now and picking a QB that would be the 2nd QB his height to possibly win a SB certainly wouldn't be a promising start. I dont believe in unicorns.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
while i agree with you on the “broad strokes” of all this, the civil suits and potential criminal charges made pulling off this trade infinitely more harder & dealing with that was no small thing. Then there was his no trade clause. it just wasn’t as simple as trading a 26 year old franchise qb in his prime to the highest bidder is.
Consider the Vick situation and how all that went for the Falcons org. They didn’t really have a choice in what happened to them, but it was similar to our situation….the falcons just didnt have the benefit/option to trade Vick like we did and even if they had, they woulda got pennies on the dollar..if any offers at all. But like us i believe they’d just signed him to a big contract….He was a franchise qb in his prime….everything about that org & team was built around what he did…there only recourse was to try to recoup some of the guaranteed money & it Took them a minute to recover from that.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Dont forget the guarenteed money they also had to cough up
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Vick went to jail and he wasn't a qb everyone had a taste for. He had an injury history also. Once Watson was cleared of jail, it was smooth sailing and who had the stomach with the fan base.
leebigeztx
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Washington got an entire draft and half of the next draft.
leebigeztx
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5 Blockbuster NFL Draft Trades That Did Not Pan Out
Here are five blockbuster NFL trades involving draft picks since 1990 that certainly didn't work out for the team that paid the higher cost.
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SeriousShizzle
Rookie
Seen enough! Fire this mutha!
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
They said on the radio this morning that Lovie rates CBs as the 5th most important position in his defensive scheme. Picking a CB was Caserio's agenda. Picking which one was influenced by Lovie.
That Jeff George trade was huge.5 Blockbuster NFL Draft Trades That Did Not Pan Out
Here are five blockbuster NFL trades involving draft picks since 1990 that certainly didn't work out for the team that paid the higher cost.
The no. 5 pick in that draft.
Rison (a first rounder the previous year) who totaled 820 yards receiving as a rookie even though the Colts didn't pass the ball much.
Hinton was a former no. 4th pick overall, making 6 Pro Bowls in 7 years (with only a year not being on one due to injury).
The first rounders the following year.
That's a lot more than what the Texans got for this last trade.
The guaranteed money doesn't really have anything to do in this case.
The Browns have him an all-guaranteed contract that negates everything.
If anything, the Texans "bought" a bit of extra from the Browns with the money they had ponied up.
The Texans did have to pay Watson 10M plus to sit on the sideline in 2021, but that's pretty much it.
His signing bonus with the Texans was small in regard to the annual salary that it doesn't really matter.
Just to move a few spots from 12th.
This is true in mix of a cover two with Tampa 2.
Interior linemen, edge rusher, the LBs (especially the one that needs to drop into deep middle), and the safeties are more important.
The CBs are not asked to do as much in a 5-2 or 4-3 zone.
Even when they occasionally switch to man, there are still often 2 safeties so the CB simply has to man the boundary or to follow the WR across the field on short and intermediate routes.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
He may rate it as 5th most important in his grand scheme of things but he did specifically call that position out during this past off-season.
Lovie Smith: We can’t play the type of football we want until we’re better at cornerback
badboy
Hall of Fame
Ekwonu or Cross at LG would have been nice.
Davis is who would've been nice.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
What I was saying is when you trade for a player AND have to pay them top of the league money, it many times can reduce the return. It happens, but sometimes people give less
It's pretty rare for a player to be overhyped both prior to and after the draft. But then there's Jordan Davis, 5th on the Eagles in number of DT snaps. At least Stingley and Green were on the field. Over 3X the snaps of Davis.
In games Davis has played (10), the Eagles are giving up 117 yards rushing/game.
In games Davis has not played (4), the Eagles are allowing 131 yard rushing/game.
So there is a difference. But why are you giving Davis total credit for the 14 yards? He played in less than 1/3 of the snaps in 6 of the 10 games. His highest % of snaps is 42%, lowest is 11%. Doesn't a guy have to be on the field at least half to time to take credit for how great the defense is when he's there?
I can make a better case of not being NFL ready. Both Pitre and Stingley have more sacks (1 each) than Davis (zero). I'm not calling anyone a bust. But both Stingley & Green have shown more as rookies than Davis.
Interesting. Dude certainly knows football. But that doesn't mean I want him for a head coach. lol
I'd really like to hear the "CB ranked 5" quote from the source himself instead of regurgitating brain droppings from the local radio mouths. Mainly just for context.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Yes Davis was injured, has played well and was getting good reviews prior to the injury. Gannon is pleased with his progress. The difference in comparisons with Stingley and Green playing time is Davis is backing up Fletcher Cox a 6X pro Bowler and 4X all-pro player.
Davis is 5th in snaps among Eagle DTs. He’s 3rd string. Wasn’t the biggest knock on Davis (along with pass rush skills) that he was easily gassed and could play even 50% of snaps in a game? Same thing herein the NFL.
Part time player at pick #13.
badboy
Hall of Fame
and why I didn't mention Davis.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If all it takes was to know we needed a cornerback in 2022, I should be getting the $5 million salary.
Texian
Hall of Fame
The biggest reasons for Davis not playing 3rd downs was Jalen Carter. You keep saying that doesn’t make it so. Gannon seems to disagree with you. If you take his current pff grade he ranks around 30th about where JJ Watt ranks. He’s also playing thru a high ankle sprain. Still given the choice between taking Davis at #13 vs taking a fat, slow, weak Green, I will take Davis all day long.
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Jalen Carter. The latest overrated Georgia d-lineman.
Davis should have been a late 1st round pick, at best. The other Bulldog DT should have gone 3rd day. One Georgia defender that went in the 1st has justified his selection. Quay Walker. The rest are more overrated than even I thought.