If he sits out his option year he has no NTC so you trade him to the highest bidder before the deadline. I think that is what he is saying. Or you can cut him and get nothing
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Bryce Young vs CJ Stroud
- Thread starter beerlover
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As I'm sure you know Culp was also a HOF as was the Chiefs MLB who himself was also bigger than the Vikings center so the poor guy was just overmatched that day all the way around, really wasn't a fair fight.
As for whether or not putting a nose guard directly over the center that depended on whether or not the team was operating from a one or two-gap defensive alignment.
But thanks for the correct name.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
He's still under contract if Cal chooses to exercise his 5th yr option.
There's not a Manning in this draft.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Who said it was. Jesus
I didn't bring up Manning.
If there's not a true franchise type QB (Manning type) then you should pass on a QB at 1-1.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Didn’t say you did. It was just an example of a struggling franchise drafting a quarterback in the first round and then building around him. Nothing more or less. But typical we completely misses the point
The point is you dont pick a QB 1-1 unless he's a Manning type QB and there isn't one of those in this draft.
The last time a franchise type qb like Manning was available was in 2017, and he went 10th overall. So if we wait for a “Manning” to be available in the draft, we could be waiting forever. Just goes to show you the draft is unpredictable.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Wrong. There will never be another Manning type quarterback is another point. Again if Nick believes one of these guys is the truth, he’s drafting him. It’s not going to be because Cal forced him. It’s going to be because he believes he’s the guy. You trusted him thus far with the draft right. So let him work.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly
No one saw anyone in that 2017 draft as a Manning type
Cal is going to pull the same thing his daddy did when Bob McNair made Casserly pick Carr. Cal will make Caserio pick Young. History is going to repeat itself. The McNair's history of interfering is there for all to see.
Do you think things will change? Given the size of all of the QB's that have been picked with Caserio in Foxboro and on Kirby that he really wants to pick Young?
Maybe not a Manning, but a Burrow/Herbert/Allen and those guys aren't in this draft either. IMHO
That contract I was talking about earlier that the ink hadn't dried on... he was under that contract & Cal didn't (probably couldn't) force him to play.
Being on the 5th year wouldn't have changed anything.
That 5th year, was the year he did not play. After that season, the Texans would have had to tag him at some level, being a QB who can play at a high level, most likely a top tier franchise tag. Otherwise, he walks.
Did you see his response?
I understand giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. Please, give me that benefit of the doubt. Whatever "normal" understanding of a given English phrase, that's where I'm at. Plain, simple logic, I'm that guy. So if I ask a question, give me the benefit of the doubt that the guy I'm asking isn't.
We could be waiting to draft one at 1-1
But we've got another 1st round pick.
But he's got to be pretty special for me to pick him top 10. I don't know the guys coming out in this draft to know if any of them are that guy. But a top 10 pick shouldn't be spent on Black Bottles or Christian Ponder.
IT would've changed a lot of things, #1 being he wouldn't have had the NTC because he would've been on his rookie deal and Caserio could've probably gotten an even better deal.
Toro Bravo
Rookie
It wouldn't be the first time. Doug Flutie is listed at 5'10" (really 5'9") and played 12 seasons in the NFL, 8 seasons in the CFL and 1 season the USFL - and was successful everywhere. Not bad for a guy that was drafted in the 11th round because he was too small.
That's who Bryce Young reminds me of, not only for his size, but his competitiveness, play making ability and winning attitude as well as his college career (they both won the Heisman). Young would certainly be fun to watch, which is something I can't say about the Texans since Kubiak days.
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If Caserio wants a Flutie outcome then he should draft Young. But hey it will be fun to watch and that's all that really matters, aside from putting fans in the seats.
If only there were 11 rounds in today's draft.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
How is Herbert that kind of guy and can't even get his team in the playoffs? You keep saying the same thing to make yourself believe something nobody in the nfl believes. They didn't pick Burrow because he was the next Manning, they picked him because they thought he was the best football player who played the most important position. He got beat up bad and they sucked yr 1. Next year, he played very well, still got beat up, but lost in the superbowl. This year, after a slow start, he's hitting his stride. There have been many qbs that have won sb's in the last 15 years that wasn't Manning. Hell, Peyton only have 2, which is the same as his brother and Big Ben and on the last 1 he was trash, and I'm a Manning fan.
I'm not following your point.
Is your point that Herbert hasn't made the playoffs?
They've had bad injury issues. It would probably be better to talk to beerlover about the Chargers and their inability to make the playoffs. He's a big Chargers fan.
I'm comparing Burrow to Manning because thet have similar strengths in their games. I expect Burrow to get rings. Maybe even this yr if the Bengals can stay healthy. Only thing that bothers with this prediction is it's the Bengals.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
They missed the playoffs last year with a healthy roster right? For the record, Burrow and Peyton are nothing alike. Do you remember Burrow at Ohio State and his 1st year in Baton Rouge? Even with his 1 year success, look at his weapons he had from the rb to the 3wrs. Tell me in your opinion, what is Burrow special physical traits? He doesn't have a cannon, he's not a size to speed ratio guy either, but he's had success because he has a coach who plays to his strength. See, that's why you continue to move the goal post. There isn't anything Burrow as a prospect did better than Stroud or Young, yet you keep saying pass on both.
His .ind accuracy and the fact that he plays well in big games.
You're acting like Stroud doesn't have great talent around him.
Manning and Burrow actually are smart players who distributes the ball. Read defenses quickly, are very accurate and run as a last resort. Neither have, had big arms , but can make all of the throws. Montana was like this also.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
When posters talk about Stroud in particular, they talk about the talent around him as if Burrow didn't have all those weapons on top of the defense which was chock full of talent. Burrow, in college had 1 great season, one of the greatest ever by a college qb, but nobody saw his senior year happening. That's why I said you evaluate the player, nothing else. I don't care the college system or really the talent around him, just the prospect. How does the ball come out his hand? What kind of arm,athlete,fbiq.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Is this what he told you? This darn team is in a need of a quarterback asap. That quarterback room is by far the worst in NFL history. And you’re worried about Cal pulling a Senior. Man come on, all because they don’t follow your way doesn’t mean Cal did anything. Nick is looking at this trashy quarterback room to and Cal won’t have to tell him crap. He’s going to do what’s best for this team. And that could very well be drafting a quarterback in the first round.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly, but you have to understand one’s agenda. The talent thing only applies to those quarterbacks they don’t like. Shoots even USC has some top notch talent around Williams.
You've chosen to ignore history of the McNair's and of the NFL if Young is the pick. Caserio/BB has never picked a QB Young's size. Also you don't think after Towel Boy Cal isn't going to pick the QB?
This has nothing to do with the way I would do things. In fact last draft Caserio didn't do things the way I would have done them. I would have fixed the trenches and I hope Caserio goes in that direction again this yr.
Neal
Davis
Sam Williams
All this comes down to is do you there's a great QB in this draft and do you think You g can be the 1 in a million guy that can break the mold of short QB's winning championships. Plus would you be willing to spend 1-1 on the chance that Young is that 1 in a million guy.
Seems like some around these parts are willing to settle because the Texans need a QB and that's one reason the Texans have been mediocre at best for the last 2 decades. Instant gratification over substance.
Seems like some around these parts are willing to settle because the Texans need a QB and that's one reason the Texans have been mediocre at best for the last 2 decades. Instant gratification over substance.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
We don't need a franchise qb next year no matter who that is.
Build the trenches, your QB comes later.
I still think Duggan would fit in admirably for now.
But I realize and admit "I know nutinngg!" Typical message board poster.
I'd take Williams, Maye, maybe Penix, Evers, and McCarthy in 2024 over Stroud and Young. Tell me how many of the top NFL QBs were surrounded by the talent in college that Stroud and Young are. Stroud gets no pressure on him and has the top receivers in the country. When he does get pressure he fails. Young is a midget.
Hell at this point I'd rather take Levis with the Brown's pick if he is there or trade back from 1:1 and then take Levis.
I prefer my QBs to have some adversity in college and not have the best of everything. Look how long it has taken Jalen Hurts to put it together.
Hell at this point I'd rather take Levis with the Brown's pick if he is there or trade back from 1:1 and then take Levis.
I prefer my QBs to have some adversity in college and not have the best of everything. Look how long it has taken Jalen Hurts to put it together.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Its working so well with the Colts. What if you build the trenches and those guys are average, then what?We don't need a franchise qb next year no matter who that is.
Build the trenches, your QB comes later.
I still think Duggan would fit in admirably for now.
But I realize and admit "I know nutinngg!" Typical message board poster.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Burrow,Tua, to name a couple. Williams has the reigning Belinticoff in Addison as a transfer. Watson had weapons in college and still played well in the nfl when he played. Evaluate the prospect, just the prospect.
Stroud this year.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
zshawn10
All Pro
Is this your only problem with him?
Is that a @steelbtexan burner account?
Build the team up through the draft this yr and tank next yr.
What if the world ends tomorrow? None of this will matter.
It comes down to do you think the QB class in 2024 is better than this yrs class and whether to build out the team 1st. What you do should depend on how you judge the 2023 QB class vs the 2024 QB class and not just the we need a QB so lets draft a QB. If you have this yrs class rated higher than next yrs class (I dont) then you draft a QB. If not then you wait until 2024 and except that you're going to be bad again in 2023.
This was Crane/Luhnow's plan and they received some of the same criticism that Caserio is getting/will get more of, but I'm sure glad they were willing to take the heat for the betterment of the long term health of the franchise.
Will Cal/Caserio be able to withstand the criticism from the media/fans like you and do the right thing for the long term health of the franchise like Crane/Luhnow did? Doubtful, Cal will do the same thing his daddy did, follow the money.
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Burrow faced adversity in college. He even had to transfer and play in a Les Miles offense for a yr. I still think Tua is a 2009 version of Schaub. Which is really good but not elite.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man I don’t think Cal could afford another year like this. You want to convince the fans to come back. You better get a quarterback in here asap. You’re talking about four years of suctitude barely winning 1-4 games a year in that span. The fans needs some type of glimmer of hope.
Texansballer74
The Marine
What if you pass on them and the team that does draft them gets a Mahomas or Burrow type. What will you gents say then. I know what the media is going to say. Why the bleep did the Texans who needed a quarterback pass on either one of them. They’re still making dumb ash moves.Seriously?
What if you draft a "franchise" qb and he turns out average? Then what?
ArmyBengal
Retired Army Medical NCO
I love these conversations. Every player is obviously different. Here's the thing though, so is every team and so are the schemes they run.
Trying to figure out if a guy can come into your organization and find success is like throwing darts at a small target in the dark.
Since I'm a Bengals fan, let me share my thoughts here. Burrow isn't the biggest, fastest, or strongest QB in the league.
He has very little of the physical traits most point to which make an elite QB. Plus he played with a roster at LSU STACKED FULL of NFL talent.
However, here's the thing. He's a killer and one of the most cerebral dudes that is absolute cool when turning up the heat. He's focused and smart.
He absolutely, without a doubt, LEADS that team. He's accountable and holds others accountable. He's tough and hates (vehemently) to lose.
When looking back on his National Championship year at LSU, someone was throwing those 60 TD's right? Yeah, the WR's had to make a play, but you can't pin it all on them and just exclude that because the roster was stacked. QB's have a give their players a chance at making a play. His 76% completion rate speaks to that ability as well.
Stroud has 81 TD's in 2 seasons and nearly a 70% completion rate. Bryce Young has 75 TD's in 2 seasons and a 65% completion rate.
The thing is, will they succeed in the Texans offensive scheme? That isn't always so clear.
I'm a huge Ohio State Buckeyes fan and love Stroud, but I was at the last two OSU/Michigan games and watched him fold.
When everything was on the line (literally) he has come up short. That pains me to say, but it's fact.
The college ranks are filled with a **** ton of players that are really good, with some rosters having their share of studs.
The NFL is jammed packed full of studs and some players just can't work at the next level. Good luck in trying to figure out which prospect is what?
I fall in the line of thought that, if you don't have a franchise QB, you try to get one. Taking that shot, no longer ruins a club for 10 years if wrong.
That doesn't mean you have to try at the #1 overall spot. Maybe you wait a little and take one a little lower.
My thing is, if you think the guy will work, you better go get him and take your shot.
You don't want to trade down thinking a guy, you believe will work, will be there and then he's not.
Trying to get the next Manning and chasing that thought is stupid. Chase the next guy that will work for what your team does.
Thing right now is, who the hell knows what the Texans will do? These coaches won't even be here to have to answer for it.
Trying to figure out if a guy can come into your organization and find success is like throwing darts at a small target in the dark.
Since I'm a Bengals fan, let me share my thoughts here. Burrow isn't the biggest, fastest, or strongest QB in the league.
He has very little of the physical traits most point to which make an elite QB. Plus he played with a roster at LSU STACKED FULL of NFL talent.
However, here's the thing. He's a killer and one of the most cerebral dudes that is absolute cool when turning up the heat. He's focused and smart.
He absolutely, without a doubt, LEADS that team. He's accountable and holds others accountable. He's tough and hates (vehemently) to lose.
When looking back on his National Championship year at LSU, someone was throwing those 60 TD's right? Yeah, the WR's had to make a play, but you can't pin it all on them and just exclude that because the roster was stacked. QB's have a give their players a chance at making a play. His 76% completion rate speaks to that ability as well.
Stroud has 81 TD's in 2 seasons and nearly a 70% completion rate. Bryce Young has 75 TD's in 2 seasons and a 65% completion rate.
The thing is, will they succeed in the Texans offensive scheme? That isn't always so clear.
I'm a huge Ohio State Buckeyes fan and love Stroud, but I was at the last two OSU/Michigan games and watched him fold.
When everything was on the line (literally) he has come up short. That pains me to say, but it's fact.
The college ranks are filled with a **** ton of players that are really good, with some rosters having their share of studs.
The NFL is jammed packed full of studs and some players just can't work at the next level. Good luck in trying to figure out which prospect is what?
I fall in the line of thought that, if you don't have a franchise QB, you try to get one. Taking that shot, no longer ruins a club for 10 years if wrong.
That doesn't mean you have to try at the #1 overall spot. Maybe you wait a little and take one a little lower.
My thing is, if you think the guy will work, you better go get him and take your shot.
You don't want to trade down thinking a guy, you believe will work, will be there and then he's not.
Trying to get the next Manning and chasing that thought is stupid. Chase the next guy that will work for what your team does.
Thing right now is, who the hell knows what the Texans will do? These coaches won't even be here to have to answer for it.
ArmyBengal
Retired Army Medical NCO
Ok, here's a good example of what I'm talking about with Burrow. Notice that no one is talking about Burrow's speed, arm or any of those traits.
THAT'S what teams should be looking for when evaluating QB's. The guy was the perfect fit for the Bengals.
THAT'S what teams should be looking for when evaluating QB's. The guy was the perfect fit for the Bengals.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
i would prefer they wait on a qb if they insist on keeping lovie next year. having #1 overall pretty much means they’re taking a qb tho…so with that in mind, of the 3, i think i lean Young…i like his poise, you know he’s been coached up with Saban & co., and he’s already got the repoire with Metchie to boot.
I agree. I think the fear goes both ways, you either make a mistake and take the wrong one or you make the mistake and let someone else take the qb you should have taken.
You think Chicago isn’t kicking themselves every time they see Mahomes in the playoffs?