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Davis Mills getting no respect

badboy

Hall of Fame
He's shown as much first-round ability as Daniel Jones, Tua, Mac Jones, even Tannehill.

I'm not saying he has franchise ability, none of those guys do either. But those are the guys you want, until you find a franchise guy.
You really think that Davis Mills plays on the same field that Tu'a tag does?
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
I'm not going to rag on Mills any longer.
I think all the guys (or most of the guys) have quit or just going through the motion.
They need to keep their jobs, but that's about it.
This organization had failed them, a few who do care.

Why did Cooks want out?

The coaches don't trust to open up the playbook for Mills and that limits the downfield opportunities.

These guys think they're horses and they like to run.
But the scheme asks them to be mules a bit too often for even an ordinary offense.
 

steelbtexan

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In the 2023 draft the clear-cut choice for the number one pick is a quarterback just not clear which of the two it will be.
I think we have different definitions of the words clear cut.

Clear cut in the respect that you want to draft a midget? A QB that size has never won a championship in the history of the NFL. But this guy's the unicorn.

Or an Ohio State QB that frankly has been disappointing this year, despite having a better receiving corps than the Texans currently have.

Clear cut? LMAO
 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
If we take a QB, 1 thing you have to take into consideration is the system they ran. Some air raid system QBs are fine in the NFL. Others show a little bit and never become anything. Sometimes they are just a product of the system. I didn't use to put much stock in that. However, over the years I have seen many QBs who don't really have to process much in college end up not being that good. When I started looking at it, turned out many where 1 read QBs in school. That or they had a stacked group of WRs that had 1st round abilities. In that situation by and large they system made the player. I look at:

Height, weight, arm talent, football IQ and yes system they played in. I don’t want a QB who is not going to handle getting sacked multiple times. And some of the top guys coming out have a huge amount of risk. If you are say 5' 10 and 175...I would pass. You are not going to grow or get much bigger. A huge risk for the position is repeated hits. So, yes I am a 6' 1+ 200lb (I hope or more) QB guy.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
If we take a QB, 1 thing you have to take into consideration is the system they ran. Some air raid system QBs are fine in the NFL. Others show a little bit and never become anything. Sometimes they are just a product of the system. I didn't use to put much stock in that. However, over the years I have seen many QBs who don't really have to process much in college end up not being that good. When I started looking at it, turned out many where 1 read QBs in school. That or they had a stacked group of WRs that had 1st round abilities. In that situation by and large they system made the player. I look at:

Height, weight, arm talent, football IQ and yes system they played in. I don’t want a QB who is not going to handle getting sacked multiple times. And some of the top guys coming out have a huge amount of risk. If you are say 5' 10 and 175...I would pass. You are not going to grow or get much bigger. A huge risk for the position is repeated hits. So, yes I am a 6' 1+ 200lb (I hope or more) QB guy.
Mahomes ran the air raid in college.

And Air Raid does not necessarily mean one read.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
I'm not going to rag on Mills any longer.
I think all the guys (or most of the guys) have quit or just going through the motion.
They need to keep their jobs, but that's about it.
This organization had failed them, a few who do care.

Why did Cooks want out?

The coaches don't trust to open up the playbook for Mills and that limits the downfield opportunities.

These guys think they're horses and they like to run.
But the scheme asks them to be mules a bit too often for even an ordinary offense.
The coaches don't trust to open up the playbook b/c they don't trust the protection & they can clearly see that these guys who think they're race horses are actually donkeys & can't get open.

But it's cool. Mills will be the face of this faceplant of a regime & will be benched sometime next week or the week after that & your boy Allen will get some run. & he'll play ok against the Browns......& you and a few others will be :brando: with the "i told you so's" b/c you'll cherry pick stats and plays to try to show that Allen looks better than Mills........Then the Dallas & Chiefs games will happen....& then you'll snap back to reality........ and realize why Allen got his position taken by Taylor Hieneke in Washingtion.
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Or you can just skip all that & read this thread b/c it pretty much details how this is all going to go. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/what-mallett-brings-as-a-full-time-starter.109344/ lol. Some real gems in there once you get past Marshall and I-cak/Hervy's beef.
 
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wildroot

Rookie
Probably do Mills some good to sit him for 2 or 3 or 4 weeks and watch from the sidelines. He seemed to get something out of it when he got put back in afterTT got hurt and he had to come off the bench.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
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Drew Brees comes in at 6' 209lbs
Kyler Murry comes in at 5'10 207lbs

Google has Young at 6' 194lbs at the moment.

I think he is worth the gamble.
Take a look at photos of Young and Saban standing together…..Saban is listed at 5-6. No way in the world there’s a 6” difference between the two. 5-8 or 5-9 at 180 pounds (generous and wet) sounds about right.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
I didn't know those guys were 5'10 186 Lbs.
he will be at or very close to 200 as a pro. They Will build his physique over a couple of years. I think measurables are way overrated. Only size that matters to me is the size of his heart. According to you, Jose Altuve should be riding a horse at Sam Houston race park instead of being a future hall of fame 2nd baseman.
 

dream_team

Hall of Fame
I didn't know those guys were 5'10 186 Lbs.
I've seen lots of height/weight stats for Bryce Young, so really difficult to tell what's actually true. I tend to more believe 5'11, 197 lbs... since that seems to be the more frequent listing that's around the median. At the combine, Russell was 5'11 204.

Where do you see 5'10 186 and choose to believe that's accurate?
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
The coaches don't trust to open up the playbook b/c they don't trust the protection & they can clearly see that these guys who think they're race horses are actually donkeys & can't get open.

But it's cool. Mills will be the face of this faceplant of a regime & will be benched sometime next week or the week after that & your boy Allen will get some run. & he'll play ok against the Browns......& you and a few others will be :brando: with the "i told you so's" b/c you'll cherry pick stats and plays to try to show that Allen looks better than Mills........Then the Dallas & Chiefs games will happen....& then you'll snap back to reality........ and realize why Allen got his position taken by Taylor Hieneke in Washingtion.
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Or you can just skip all that & read this thread b/c it pretty much details how this is all going to go. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/what-mallett-brings-as-a-full-time-starter.109344/ lol. Some real gems in there once you get past Marshall and I-cak/Hervy's beef.
And we see why, Mills is terrible
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
I've seen lots of height/weight stats for Bryce Young, so really difficult to tell what's actually true. I tend to more believe 5'11, 197 lbs... since that seems to be the more frequent listing that's around the median. At the combine, Russell was 5'11 204.

Where do you see 5'10 186 and choose to believe that's accurate?

Todd McShay said:

“But the knock on him, especially talking to scouts who have been there this summer, is the size. He’s 5-10, when he’s listed at 6-foot-1, and a scout just told me the other day he weighed in at 186 pounds.”
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
The coaches don't trust to open up the playbook b/c they don't trust the protection & they can clearly see that these guys who think they're race horses are actually donkeys & can't get open.

But it's cool. Mills will be the face of this faceplant of a regime & will be benched sometime next week or the week after that & your boy Allen will get some run. & he'll play ok against the Browns......& you and a few others will be :brando: with the "i told you so's" b/c you'll cherry pick stats and plays to try to show that Allen looks better than Mills........Then the Dallas & Chiefs games will happen....& then you'll snap back to reality........ and realize why Allen got his position taken by Taylor Hieneke in Washingtion.
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Or you can just skip all that & read this thread b/c it pretty much details how this is all going to go. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/what-mallett-brings-as-a-full-time-starter.109344/ lol. Some real gems in there once you get past Marshall and I-cak/Hervy's beef.
That thread you posted is gold!

You have posters talking about wanting Christian faith in players.

(Easterby enters the chat)

Now it’s like “No. Too much.”

You have posters talking about not caring if players have a moral character.

(Watson enters the chat)

Now it’s like “No. Put some morality back in the players.”

I am on post 300 something where Mallett just got done playing his first start.

This is good stuff.
 

Todd McShay said:

“But the knock on him, especially talking to scouts who have been there this summer, is the size. He’s 5-10, when he’s listed at 6-foot-1, and a scout just told me the other day he weighed in at 186 pounds.”
They can list Bryce Young at whatever they want right now. But when the combine rolls around, we'll all know for sure how much the numbers have been fudged to protect his prospect status. Unless Young chooses to skip the combine, that is. But the team's know what the real number is already.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
And we see why, Mills is terrible
Eh, the back up qb is always the most popular guy on the team.......until he has to play. & sure Mills has been terrible......but what does that say about Allen if he couldn't beat him out in TC? All the talk about benching Mills is coming from the usual places..the media & fans..people still convinced that qb play is the reason this team is sucking ass right now...& just like in 2015 with the Mallett crap.............which was prior to your arrival here, they and you will find out........AGAIN that inserting a bad qb in over another bad qb isn't going to change this team's fortunes.....Davis Allen...Kyle Mills its not gonna matter which chump we have under center.......We're about to catch the beats after this browns game.

2nd place Cowboys....
1st place Chiefs.......
1st place Titans........

& that's not even counting the 1st place Dolphins we have this Sunday..

2 things about this. 1.....Gonna go out on a limb and say Allen isn't gonna make a lick of difference in any of these beat downs & 2....The #1 overall pick will be all but locked up after the Cowboys game...if you don't think its already locked up now.
 

amazing80

Hall of Fame
I think we have different definitions of the words clear cut.

Clear cut in the respect that you want to draft a midget? A QB that size has never won a championship in the history of the NFL. But this guy's the unicorn.

Or an Ohio State QB that frankly has been disappointing this year, despite having a better receiving corps than the Texans currently have.

Clear cut? LMAO
What? He is leading CFB QB's in passer rating, he's tied 1st in passing TD's with only 4 INT's, and he has his team 11-0. What exactly has he done that is "disappointing"?
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
What? He is leading CFB QB's in passer rating, he's tied 1st in passing TD's with only 4 INT's, and he has his team 11-0. What exactly has he done that is "disappointing"?
Exactly lol he’s not his guy/choice therefore instead of actually watching him play,he comes up with that type of stuff. I’m thinking it’s more about his agent and you know who.
 
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SnakeEyes

Under NRG
Mahomes ran the air raid in college.

And Air Raid does not necessarily mean one read.
I said most of the systems like that didn't produce as good a QB. Meaning Mahomes is a small number who has been fine doing both. But, let's be honest, Mahomes is a great athlete and and likely could play other sports as well. Meaning he is gifted in general
 

dream_team

Hall of Fame
Exactly lol he’s not his guy/choice therefore instead of actually watching him play he comes up with with that type of stuff. I’m thinking it’s more about his agent and you know who.
The last thing I want is another QB steelb disapproves of. That means hate from day 1 regardless of what he does. Even if he brings a SB to Houston, we have to hear how they won it despite of him.
 

steelbtexan

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he will be at or very close to 200 as a pro. They Will build his physique over a couple of years. I think measurables are way overrated. Only size that matters to me is the size of his heart. According to you, Jose Altuve should be riding a horse at Sam Houston race park instead of being a future hall of fame 2nd baseman.
Name one QB his size that's won a championship? You're betting on a unicorn. Decisions like this are why the Texans are where they're at today.
 

steelbtexan

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I've seen lots of height/weight stats for Bryce Young, so really difficult to tell what's actually true. I tend to more believe 5'11, 197 lbs... since that seems to be the more frequent listing that's around the median. At the combine, Russell was 5'11 204.

Where do you see 5'10 186 and choose to believe that's accurate?
That's what Brugler thinks he's going to measure in at the combine. I can't believe that people find the exception to the rule and say see it can happen

It's like drawing at an inside straight. Sure you could hit on the bet one in 100 times. But it's not the smart thing to do.
 
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steelbtexan

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What? He is leading CFB QB's in passer rating, he's tied 1st in passing TD's with only 4 INT's, and he has his team 11-0. What exactly has he done that is "disappointing"?
So did Doug Flutie, Manziel etc... Some would say they were better college QB's and we see how that turned out. Truth is your betting on an outlier.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Name one QB his size that's won a championship? You're betting on a unicorn. Decisions like this are why the Texans are where they're at today.
Um Russel Wilson is listed at 5’11, he’s actually 5’10. Drew Brees is listed at 6’ and he’s actually 5’11. That’s two right there.

Bryce is listed at 6’,he’s actually 5’11.
 
Um Russel Wilson is listed at 5’11, he’s actually 5’10. Drew Brees is listed at 6’ and he’s actually 5’11. That’s two right there.

Bryce is listed at 6’,he’s actually 5’11.
The bigger question is probably not about height, but size. Brees was a pure pocket passer who didn't get hit as much as Bryce Young will. Wilson was always just a lot stockier and put together to take NFL punishment. One of the big calling cards for Young is his ability to make plays out of the pocket. So he's going to get hit and abused. Count me a little skeptical that he's going to hold up... If Young can get to 200 lbs at his pro day/combine and demonstrate zero falloff in skills/eludability, would feel much better about it.

In the end, I feel Stroud is probably the direction Caserio is going to go, if he doesn't trade down for extra picks.
 

steelbtexan

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The last thing I want is another QB steelb disapproves of. That means hate from day 1 regardless of what he does. Even if he brings a SB to Houston, we have to hear how they won it despite of him.
Not true at all,

I've said if Caserio picks a QB I will support him, even though picking a QB in next yrs draft lessens the odds of winning a championship and shortens the window for said QB to try to win a championship.
 

steelbtexan

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I would rather that than to trust his instincts on what a good QB is
Remember OT and me were the only ones that thought it was a good idea to trade your sexual perverted hero for the chance to draft Herbert.

BTW, seeing how things turned out with Derrick and there will be no championships I will take my track record when it comes to QB's over yours any day and twice on Sunday.
 

steelbtexan

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Do you mean the game that was super windy and both teams struggled to throw the ball? The one where he still helped his team win by 2 touchdowns? Wow, what a sucker

/sarcasm
Go back and actually watch all of his games and tell me you want that guy as your QB? He also was bad against Penn St. For 3 qtrs.

He's going to be another in a long line of Ohio State QB's. We're never going to agree so I'm moving on. Stroud hasn't impressed me at all this year.

You know who has impressed me with lesser talent around them. Duggan/Rising.
 
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Texansballer74

The Marine
As long as he's got better weapons than the Texans currently have and is playing against Northwestern. Whoops, he struggled against them.
They will have weapons next season. You act like they don’t have any draft picks in 23/24. And you still need to build starting the most important highest paid position in football. QUARTERBACK! Period.
 

steelbtexan

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They will have weapons next season. You act like they don’t have any draft picks in 23/24. And you still need to build starting the most important highest paid position in football. QUARTERBACK! Period.
And those weapons still most likely won't be as good as Stroud had at Ohio State.

Ngigna-Smith, Harrison, Stover for starters
 
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