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Nick Caserio - New GM

Texian said:
No, Bill O'Brien first recommended Nick Caserio to Bob McNair in the same way Gary Kubiak recommended Rick Smith to Bob McNair. It's a pattern of behavior, Kirby boardroom thing. You're trying to hard make the Caserio hiring something it is not. You're trying to remove the stain and stigma of Caserio being a Cal, O'Brien, EasterbyCaserio connection. The bottom line is Jack Easterby convinced Cal and Janice to hire Caserio and they could now do so without any repercussions. So they did.

If Bob Kraft recommended Caserio to McNair then why didn't Kraft release Caserio when Bob McNair and Bill O'Brien originally wanted to hire him? Your math does not compute. Easterby was hired in the same manner that Rick Smith was hired, O'Brien recommended Cal do so. Cal did not have to hire Easterby in order for Caserio's Patriot contract to expire. The Kool-Aid is giving you some serious brain fog.
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You do realize McNair and Kraft were friends and Kraft recommended the BOB hire.
 
leebigeztx said:
You're right because I don't see special traits. He's a good timed foot athlete, but doesn't leave the pocket. He's not a natural football player. Kinda like Clowney is a athlete playing football vs being an athletic football player.
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Like I stated…..development is a process. His physical tools have been there, his time and opportunity to develop those skills at Stanford were not due to interruptions of C-19. Texans and Caserio decided they would take up the developmental process and unfortunately that was screwed up by Taylor’s injury which forced Mills onto the field sooner than desired. So, Mills is now OJT’ing his development process without a true veteran QB2 on the sideline. This is where patience comes into play b/c there isn’t another viable option…..nor do I see one in 2023 without a better team being assembled first.
 
steelbtexan said:
There's not a rule. But there are unwritten rules when you are giving a guy 156 mil to be the face of the franchise. Living a clean life and putting football 1st are 2 of those rules. If you choose to avoid those rules then chances are you will end up where the McNair's are today. This is what happens when you put making money over doing the right thing. Cal is getting exactly what he deserves.

BTW, we haven't heard from mamma Watson how proud she is of her boy anymore. Wonder how she's doing?
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Did you see anything on the field of play to think he wasn't putting football 1st? Clean life, what does that mean aside from not doing drugs. You nor I know what these guys are doing off field married or not. Jimmy G was out with the porn star, I never heard you on your moral high horse even though he's a single, good looking guy playing qb. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, all them dudes were in the streets strong strong and nobody ever questioned their commitment.
 
steelbtexan said:
There's not a rule. But there are unwritten rules when you are giving a guy 156 mil to be the face of the franchise. Living a clean life and putting football 1st are 2 of those rules. If you choose to avoid those rules then chances are you will end up where the McNair's are today. This is what happens when you put making money over doing the right thing. Cal is getting exactly what he deserves.

BTW, we haven't heard from mamma Watson how proud she is of her boy anymore. Wonder how she's doing?
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Yall never heard from her in the 1st place. When that stuff came about Peyton, did we hear from his mama? These are grown men last I checked.
 
leebigeztx said:
Montana was a good qb at a big time program. They didn't throw the ball much. Brett Favre beat beat Florida St at Southern Miss. Aaron Rodgers was in the debate as the #1 overrall pick, he also finished top 10 in the Heisman. Dude had almost a 4:1 td-int ratio. I see yall had to go back 20+ years to find exceptions to the rule that are not even exceptions. Brady is the exception to every rule, but carry on.
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That was just looking at it by the numbers bro…if we grade this by the eye test, there are alot more recent qbs selected that from the eye test were average to below average qbs…they just put up numbers largely b/c of the system they played in and the talent they had around them.

Montana’s was considered an average qb that played at a top program with elite talent around him….weak physical tools compared to the Marino’s and Elways he would later compete against in the NFL….his numbers bear that out….his draft slot also bears that out.

Pretty much the same for Brett only he didnt have the talent around him so his numbers look hella worse. Him having 1-2 big time win didnt qualify him as good…just a guy with tremendous upside…which again is why he was drafted where he was. number’s also bear out that he was terrible…C’mon man.

Rodgers was in battle for the #1 overall pick ………in an extremely weak qb class…..& he lost that battle…to Alex frickin Smith. If teams would’ve considered him that good, there wouldn’t have been any battle or debate whatsoever.
 
leebigeztx said:
Did you see anything on the field of play to think he wasn't putting football 1st? Clean life, what does that mean aside from not doing drugs. You nor I know what these guys are doing off field married or not. Jimmy G was out with the porn star, I never heard you on your moral high horse even though he's a single, good looking guy playing qb. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, all them dudes were in the streets strong strong and nobody ever questioned their commitment.
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I dont care what players do during the offseason. I do care what they are doing during the season. I will leave you with this, Cal's getting exactly what he deserves, there will be about 25,000 at the game on Thursday. Most of those will be Philly fans. I know I wont be there. I've stopped going to games since Derrick got his extension. I still attend 1-2 games a yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
I dont care what players do during the offseason. I do care what they are doing during the season. I will leave you with this, Cal's getting exactly what he deserves, there will be about 25,000 at the game on Thursday. Most of those will be Philly fans. I know I wont be there. I've stopped going to games since Derrick got his extension. I still attend 1-2 games a yr.
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Good I hope every game is empty it’s the only way anything changes. I almost hope we get blown out every single game until it gets so bad here something has to change. Of course maybe that just means the McNairs move the team but who knows.
 
steelbtexan said:
You do realize McNair and Kraft were friends and Kraft recommended the BOB hire.
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You know if you and I were friends but were also competitors (enemies) I too would recommend you hire Bill O'Brien as your head coach. We can still enjoy a steak dinner together but I don't have to worry about you being a serious threat in the playoffs. Did you forget that Kraft and Belichick escorted Bill O'Brien out of town to Penn St a few weeks after staff had to separate O'Brien from going ballistic on Tom Brady on the sideline? Hey McNair, have I got a head coach for you?
 
steelbtexan said:
I dont care what players do during the offseason. I do care what they are doing during the season. I will leave you with this, Cal's getting exactly what he deserves, there will be about 25,000 at the game on Thursday. Most of those will be Philly fans. I know I wont be there. I've stopped going to games since Derrick got his extension. I still attend 1-2 games a yr.
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I don't even watch the games live anymore, so you're preaching to the choir. That whole Esterbe/BOB mess turned me off and my money, not that it matters to them. I went to the Rams game because I was gifted a suite, I still left early 3rd. Everyone has their reasons and in Houston, our weather is too good to sit and watch sorry football. My good friend writes for the Titans/ Espn affiliate and I could've went to the game and had prime seats and said no thank you. We hung out at Phoenix the night before and it was Titans fans from everywhere in that joint.
 
leebigeztx said:
You can disagree, but show me 1 college qb who was avg when he played that turned out to be top 10 in the nfl. Whatever you want to say, I don't care about star rating of high school kids because we see DJ of Clemson looks like trash. Show me a qb in college who was avg or below avg in college like Mills and became top 10. Regardless of those guys you mentioned had 1 big season, they had 1 vs none. He could've went to play somewhere else like Spencer Rattler, Joe Flacco, hell Ewers and Burrough left to play. We see Bo Nix in Oregon when last year he was at Auburn. Hurts got pushed out by Tua and we to Oklahoma. It's been happening and these qbs are coming in from elite 11 camps with 1000s of throws on their arm. They're more ready to play that qbs 20yrs ago when everyone was just handing the ball off. Again, I like Mills, I just never understood why posters thought he was some kind of steal. He a backup/boderline starter in this league like Simien,Chase Daniels,Brissett, and a whole list of career backups. Great money in it also and at some point he might get another shot to start and maybe with his experience he can take advantage of it like Geno Smith has or Kurt Warner did, who knows?
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Are you for real? Lucky already pointed out Tom Brady. Joe Montana's TD/INT ratio was 1:1 (25 TD/25 INT) at Notre Dame. I can probably find another half dozen if I cared to do any research.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Are you for real? Lucky already pointed out Tom Brady. Joe Montana's TD/INT ratio was 1:1 (25 TD/25 INT) at Notre Dame. I can probably find another half dozen if I cared to do any research.
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Again, outliers. When montana was playing in college, they were still running the wishbone and veer. Brady got caught up in politics at michigan and he wasn't a good prospect. Thats why he went in the 6th rd. That means even the team that drafted him passed him 5 times.
 
leebigeztx said:
Again, outliers. When montana was playing in college, they were still running the wishbone and veer. Brady got caught up in politics at michigan and he wasn't a good prospect. Thats why he went in the 6th rd. That means even the team that drafted him passed him 5 times.
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You're moving the goalposts. You said: "show me 1 college qb who was avg when he played that turned out to be top 10 in the nfl." The forum has shown you two GOATS. And I don't care that Montana played in the 1970's or that he played in a system that was eerily similar to what Pep Hamilton is running here. 1:1 TD/INT ratio was NEVER a good ratio in any era, particularly college. Hell, ND was probably the premier college program at the time. No excuses right? Meh.
 
A couple of posts referring to Watson and the next thing I know I'm moving 2 pages of posts to the Watson thread in the NFL section.

That's the last time. From here on, everything about Watson in the Texans section gets deleted. Even if you quote a post that mentions Watson.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
You're moving the goalposts. You said: "show me 1 college qb who was avg when he played that turned out to be top 10 in the nfl." The forum has shown you two GOATS. And I don't care that Montana played in the 1970's or that he played in a system that was eerily similar to what Pep Hamilton is running here. 1:1 TD/INT ratio was NEVER a good ratio in any era, particularly college. Hell, ND was probably the premier college program at the time. No excuses right? Meh.
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Basically you're saying the college game and the ability to evaluate qbs are the same now with all the spread and guys throwing 40 times a game is the same as guys throwing while running the wishbone and the veer? Gotcha
 
Mr teX said:
That was just looking at it by the numbers bro…if we grade this by the eye test, there are alot more recent qbs selected that from the eye test were average to below average qbs…they just put up numbers largely b/c of the system they played in and the talent they had around them.

Montana’s was considered an average qb that played at a top program with elite talent around him….weak physical tools compared to the Marino’s and Elways he would later compete against in the NFL….his numbers bear that out….his draft slot also bears that out.

Pretty much the same for Brett only he didnt have the talent around him so his numbers look hella worse. Him having 1-2 big time win didnt qualify him as good…just a guy with tremendous upside…which again is why he was drafted where he was. number’s also bear out that he was terrible…C’mon man.

Rodgers was in battle for the #1 overall pick ………in an extremely weak qb class…..& he lost that battle…to Alex frickin Smith. If teams would’ve considered him that good, there wouldn’t have been any battle or debate whatsoever.
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You forgot that Montana also had 14 rushing TDs.

I watched him brought ND back against the Cougars in the Cotton Bowl.

I said right there is a clutch football player.
 
leebigeztx said:
Basically you're saying the college game and the ability to evaluate qbs are the same now with all the spread and guys throwing 40 times a game is the same as guys throwing while running the wishbone and the veer? Gotcha
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Nope, not what I'm saying at all. I saying exactly what you quoted me as saying: Montana was not that great in college as evidenced by a substandard (by any standard, system or era) TD:INT ratio. This cannot be disputed. And this directly contravenes your erroneous original comment that no elite QB ever made it in the NFL that wasn't elite or really good in college. That's simply not true.
 
Mr teX said:
That was just looking at it by the numbers bro…if we grade this by the eye test, there are alot more recent qbs selected that from the eye test were average to below average qbs…they just put up numbers largely b/c of the system they played in and the talent they had around them.

Montana’s was considered an average qb that played at a top program with elite talent around him….weak physical tools compared to the Marino’s and Elways he would later compete against in the NFL….his numbers bear that out….his draft slot also bears that out.

Pretty much the same for Brett only he didnt have the talent around him so his numbers look hella worse. Him having 1-2 big time win didnt qualify him as good…just a guy with tremendous upside…which again is why he was drafted where he was. number’s also bear out that he was terrible…C’mon man.

Rodgers was in battle for the #1 overall pick ………in an extremely weak qb class…..& he lost that battle…to Alex frickin Smith. If teams would’ve considered him that good, there wouldn’t have been any battle or debate whatsoever.
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Favre was regarded as a first rounder, but he slipped due to mix reviews and health concern.

www.golongtd.com

McGinn Files: The Rise of Brett Favre, Part I

Before he was a 3-time MVP and a first-ballot Hall of Famer, Brett Favre was just a kid from Southern Miss who could throw a football over them mountains. (He might've been a tick hungover, too.)
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Some are probably concerned with his anything goes attitude, and maybe his drinking?

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How Brett Favre Escaped Death in a Car Accident 30 Years Ago

Brett Favre is a Hall of Fame quarterback. Favre's NFL career almost ended before it started in the summer of 1990 when he nearly died in car accident.
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Mr teX said:
That was just looking at it by the numbers bro…if we grade this by the eye test, there are alot more recent qbs selected that from the eye test were average to below average qbs…they just put up numbers largely b/c of the system they played in and the talent they had around them.

Montana’s was considered an average qb that played at a top program with elite talent around him….weak physical tools compared to the Marino’s and Elways he would later compete against in the NFL….his numbers bear that out….his draft slot also bears that out.

Pretty much the same for Brett only he didnt have the talent around him so his numbers look hella worse. Him having 1-2 big time win didnt qualify him as good…just a guy with tremendous upside…which again is why he was drafted where he was. number’s also bear out that he was terrible…C’mon man.

Rodgers was in battle for the #1 overall pick ………in an extremely weak qb class…..& he lost that battle…to Alex frickin Smith. If teams would’ve considered him that good, there wouldn’t have been any battle or debate whatsoever.
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Teams shied from Brady because he was brawny and slow.
He ran a 5.32 forty.
That's big fat Olinemen speed.

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Why Tom Brady was overlooked in the NFL Draft and why it was more than luck that led him to the Patriots

The Patriots were fortunate, but drafting Tom Brady was not all luck.
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Mr teX said:
That was just looking at it by the numbers bro…if we grade this by the eye test, there are alot more recent qbs selected that from the eye test were average to below average qbs…they just put up numbers largely b/c of the system they played in and the talent they had around them.

Montana’s was considered an average qb that played at a top program with elite talent around him….weak physical tools compared to the Marino’s and Elways he would later compete against in the NFL….his numbers bear that out….his draft slot also bears that out.

Pretty much the same for Brett only he didnt have the talent around him so his numbers look hella worse. Him having 1-2 big time win didnt qualify him as good…just a guy with tremendous upside…which again is why he was drafted where he was. number’s also bear out that he was terrible…C’mon man.

Rodgers was in battle for the #1 overall pick ………in an extremely weak qb class…..& he lost that battle…to Alex frickin Smith. If teams would’ve considered him that good, there wouldn’t have been any battle or debate whatsoever.
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There were other teams that considered Rodgers in the first round but they changed their mind on draft day.
Back then there were only a handful of players invited to the draft (and that supposedly indicates some team was going to take him with a high pick.

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ben.aires.smith said:
@leebigeztx Mark Brunell is another guy who was a Top 10 QB in the NFL for several years, made 3 Pro Bowls and threw for 32,000 yards in the NFL. He was a 5th round pick that did nothing in college. Zero. They do exist.
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Mark Brunell also has 19 rushing TDs in college.

He was not highly regarded because of his size.

He also suffered a serious knee injury in his Jr season.
 
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76Texan said:
Favre was regarded as a first rounder, but he slipped due to mix reviews and health concern.

www.golongtd.com

McGinn Files: The Rise of Brett Favre, Part I

Before he was a 3-time MVP and a first-ballot Hall of Famer, Brett Favre was just a kid from Southern Miss who could throw a football over them mountains. (He might've been a tick hungover, too.)
www.golongtd.com www.golongtd.com

Some are probably concerned with his anything goes attitude, and maybe his drinking?

www.sportscasting.com

How Brett Favre Escaped Death in a Car Accident 30 Years Ago

Brett Favre is a Hall of Fame quarterback. Favre's NFL career almost ended before it started in the summer of 1990 when he nearly died in car accident.
www.sportscasting.com www.sportscasting.com
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Jerry Glanville’s excuse for trading Farve is because every night Glanville says Farve spent the entire evening trying to drink all the beer in Atlanta.
 
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76Texan said:
You forgot that Montana also had 14 rushing TDs.

I watched him brought ND back against the Cougars in the Cotton Bowl.

I said right there is a clutch football player.
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The icicle bowl. That was a helluva comeback by Joe. I was at the Cotton Bowl the year before when Joe beat Texas and Earl Campbell. Bill Walsh loved his footwork. Said Montana the best footwork of any college QB he had seen.
 
76Texan said:
Mark Brunell also has 19 rushing TDs in college.

He was not highly regarded because of his size.

He also suffered a serious knee injury in his Jr season.
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And he sat on the bench for several years behind Favre learning that system from Holmgren,Reid,Lewis, Gruden, Marriucci and whomever else off that Bill Walsh staff who know things about qb development. Aaron Brooks also came off that team too as a 5th rd pick who had some success.
 
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Lucky said:
A couple of posts referring to Watson and the next thing I know I'm moving 2 pages of posts to the Watson thread in the NFL section.

That's the last time. From here on, everything about Watson in the Texans section gets deleted. Even if you quote a post that mentions Watson.
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Are you going to do that whenever people talk about Kubiak, Bill O’Brien and Rick Smith?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Can’t roster build when the top FA doesn’t want to come here. And the last regime messed all over the salary cap.
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You draft like you did last yr and fill in the spots with guys like Rashaan Evans/Street etc.... Mid to lower tier guys that can play on 2-3 yr deals.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, but you could tell he was a generational guy. Do you see that guy in this draft? I don't.
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I'm liking Hooker more and more. He's been lining them up and knocking them down. Big test coming against Georgia. He's going to set his draft value during this game, especially if he puts up Bama type of game. I'd still have a tough time investing a high RD1-001>005 pick on him.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I'm liking Hooker more and more. He's been lining them up and knocking them down. Big test coming against Georgia. He's going to set his draft value during this game, especially if he puts up Bama type of game. I'd still have a tough time investing a high RD1-001>005 pick on him.
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I was reading the offense and what he has been asked to do doesn’t necessarily translate well into the NFL. He hasn’t had to throw in tight spaces or lead the receiver as much as other QBs. The offense he plays in is an Art Briles’ spread offense.

The article I read could have it wrong.
 
TexansBull said:
I was reading the offense and what he has been asked to do doesn’t necessarily translate well into the NFL. He hasn’t had to throw in tight spaces or lead the receiver as much as other QBs. The offense he plays in is an Art Briles’ spread offense.

The article I read could have it wrong.
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For what it's worth my read on Hooker is that it's just a one read offense. I don't have access to college tape or anything but it looks like all he does is a quick safety look off and then force it to the first read.
 
Doc108 said:
For what it's worth my read on Hooker is that it's just a one read offense. I don't have access to college tape or anything but it looks like all he does is a quick safety look off and then force it to the first read.
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You should be able to find all of Tennessee's games on NFL-video.com.
 
Doc108 said:
For what it's worth my read on Hooker is that it's just a one read offense. I don't have access to college tape or anything but it looks like all he does is a quick safety look off and then force it to the first read.
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That's all college offenses. Nobody makes tight window throws and nobody reads the field because more times than not, you 1st read is getting open or schemed open in the space game,college football. Teams in the nfl always try to take away Brady's 1st read in with the Pats and try to get him to hold the ball and get pressure. Just because a coaching staff is great at scheming the 1st read open, its not a negative.
 
Doc108 said:
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Brandin Cooks could be in danger of voiding his $18 million guaranteed salary for 2023

Texans receiver Brandin Cooks has 18 million reasons to get over the fact that he wasn't traded.
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Does anyone know if this also voids his cap hit next season?
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I tried to tell posters that culture guys don't work if the team is sorry or losing. My godson was on that seattle team during the lob and some of the stuff that went on in that locker room is crazy. That's now 2 culture guys who wanted out and 1, Cooks in his feelings because Esterbunny is gone. All this after Carsterio gave him a new deal when he didn't have to. Carry on though.
 
TexansBull said:
I was reading the offense and what he has been asked to do doesn’t necessarily translate well into the NFL. He hasn’t had to throw in tight spaces or lead the receiver as much as other QBs. The offense he plays in is an Art Briles’ spread offense.

The article I read could have it wrong.
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None of those college offenses translate well, but the smart coaches have managed to incorporate the college offenses into the pro's. The offense Mahomes runs isn't the offense McNabb or Favre ran. The offense Allene runs isn't the same offense Jim Kelly ran. Its a new day and every pro offense has spread concepts. Those jet motions and jet sweeps are staples now in the nfl. Those bubble screens also came from college also.
 
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