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Nick Caserio - New GM

not really…especially if your suggestions are trash…as most of Texian’s are. Dude’s the only guy i keep on ignore.

and its not like every other franchise is having tremendous more success either. All but 4-5 franchises in the NFL have some issue with players, coaching or front office or owner. We unfortunately have an issue with 2-3 of those right now.
You have posters on ignore? I can see vantage points from all debates for the most part even if I don't agree. Texian is pretty wild on some stuff, pretty good on others. As long as posters can admit when they're wrong, I'm cool with it.
 
You have posters on ignore? I can see vantage points from all debates for the most part even if I don't agree. Texian is pretty wild on some stuff, pretty good on others. As long as posters can admit when they're wrong, I'm cool with it.

I have 2 posters on ignore, because of their inability after more than a decade to admit they're wrong. Not even once.
 
not really…especially if your suggestions are trash…as most of Texian’s are. Dude’s the only guy i keep on ignore.

and its not like every other franchise is having tremendous more success either. All but 4-5 franchises in the NFL have some issue with players, coaching or front office or owner. We unfortunately have an issue with 2-3 of those right now.
Most definitely, quite a few are dealing with some type of issues. But not at the same magnitude as the Texans. Tex I’ve been watching this game for a long time now, and brother I never seen an organization go through what the Texans went through.
 
You have posters on ignore? I can see vantage points from all debates for the most part even if I don't agree. Texian is pretty wild on some stuff, pretty good on others. As long as posters can admit when they're wrong, I'm cool with it.
I’m with you on that but some people have a tendency of rubbing folks the wrong way.
 
I dont think watson had anything personal against the NC hire or NC himself..he said as much i think…i truly just believe once he signed his deal, he felt like he had more influence than he actually did….…and alot of folks inside and outside of the org also started getting into his ear about Easterby..& where they thought the org was going. Im sure he pow wowed with Texans greats who effectively had wasted their prime years here and now regretted it…AJ…Nuk….now JJ…they likely told him “if i were you…”

So at that dinner with Cal he tried to flex, Cal probably told him that they were exploring candidates…some of which he knew about (Omar Khan) but that they were still looking. It was like a day or 2 later the rumor leaked that NC was gonna get the gig…and he knew nothing about it…and what was probably worse in his eyes is that it was another patriots guy……. connected to Easterby. thats when he started tweeting about loyalty and organizations and ****.

Of course he didnt have much time to draw sympathy from anyone b/c those civil suits were about to start dropping lol:

Let’s not forget that Watson left for Mexico during the GM search. He expected everyone to wait on him.

If he seriously wanted to be involved he would’ve have stayed.
 
Most definitely, quite a few are dealing with some type of issues. But not at the same magnitude as the Texans. Tex I’ve been watching this game for a long time now, and brother I never seen an organization go through what the Texans went through.

it just seems like its bigger than it is b/c its our home team and we’re plugged into every little nugget of dysfunction that drops..but its not any bigger than:

the browns just a few years ago with the Hue Jackson/Baker Mayfield feud….that led to the fiasco that was the 1 year Freddie Kitchens HC gig…all the while their owner was also dealing with his very public issues regarding his corrupt business practices.

the Pats and the Aaron Hernandez thing was a singular issue with 1 player but it was a pretty big deal…& then when the documentary dropped, you found out alot more was going on there for years with him.

Even right now the Miami dolphins with their former HC filing lawsuits against the league and an owner in Stephen Ross allegedly paying his coaches to lose games while simultaneously trying to coax/tamper with TB12 to come to Miami before he officially b/c a FA.
 
Nick came into a really F’d up situation. Come on 76. We all knew him or any other GM wouldn’t have cleaned this crap up that quickly. It’s going to take at least another 2 years or more to fix what Janice and Cal messed up.
Oh, I know that.
But didn't you expect the Texans to win 6 games this year.
I might remember it wrong, but you did expect some improvement, didn't you?
 
Oh, I know that.
But didn't you expect the Texans to win 6 games this year.
I might remember it wrong, but you did expect some improvement, didn't you?
I was being very overzealous with my prediction before the season started. Why because I’m a homer and I was hoping for them to prove Watson wrong as well as the naysayers. I truly believe Lovie was going to be different. But him and Pep’s coaching is actually worser than what we saw in the past. Coaching is the main problem imo.
 
I was being very overzealous with my prediction before the season started. Why because I’m a homer and I was hoping for them to prove Watson wrong as well as the naysayers. I truly believe Lovie was going to be different. But him and Pep’s coaching is actually worser than what we saw in the past. Coaching is the main problem imo.

We said that last year with Culley. Yet here we are again with only 1 win after 7 games against the same team we got our 1st win against last year. Im thinking its a something else other than our coaching thats preventing this team from improving…wonder what it could be…..:sarcasm:
 
I was being very overzealous with my prediction before the season started. Why because I’m a homer and I was hoping for them to prove Watson wrong as well as the naysayers. I truly believe Lovie was going to be different. But him and Pep’s coaching is actually worser than what we saw in the past. Coaching is the main problem imo.
I dunno.

Lovie and Pep worse than Culley and Kelly?

Probably a draw.

Man, it must be nice to rake in 30M and doesn't have to be accountable.
 
it just seems like its bigger than it is b/c its our home team and we’re plugged into every little nugget of dysfunction that drops..but its not any bigger than:

the browns just a few years ago with the Hue Jackson/Baker Mayfield feud….that led to the fiasco that was the 1 year Freddie Kitchens HC gig…all the while their owner was also dealing with his very public issues regarding his corrupt business practices.

the Pats and the Aaron Hernandez thing was a singular issue with 1 player but it was a pretty big deal…& then when the documentary dropped, you found out alot more was going on there for years with him.

Even right now the Miami dolphins with their former HC filing lawsuits against the league and an owner in Stephen Ross allegedly paying his coaches to lose games while simultaneously trying to coax/tamper with TB12 to come to Miami before he officially b/c a FA.
But those situations didn’t set those teams back like it’s doing the Texans. And those teams are not still digging a hole like we are. That’s why I said at the same magnitude. Bro we just fired Easterby and both Cooks and the linebacker we just cut, flat out quit. The team is playing like they don’t even belong in the NFL. Looks like we’re about to only win 2 games again. They have lost majority of the fanbase.
 
But those situations didn’t set those teams back like it’s doing the Texans. And those teams are not still digging a hole like we are. That’s why I said at the same magnitude. Bro we just fired Easterby and both Cooks and the linebacker we just cut, flat out quit. The team is playing like they don’t even belong in the NFL. Looks like we’re about to only win 2 games again. They have lost majority of the fanbase.
Who do you think make the decision on draft days and free agency?

An estimation will do, just so that we can say this is Nick Caserio's and that is Lovie's.
 
But those situations didn’t set those teams back like it’s doing the Texans. And those teams are not still digging a hole like we are. That’s why I said at the same magnitude. Bro we just fired Easterby and both Cooks and the linebacker we just cut, flat out quit. The team is playing like they don’t even belong in the NFL. Looks like we’re about to only win 2 games again. They have lost majority of the fanbase.
Who do you think was responsible for bringing in Cannon, Britt, and Burkhead?
Who made the decision to retain Burkhead?
 
But those situations didn’t set those teams back like it’s doing the Texans. And those teams are not still digging a hole like we are. That’s why I said at the same magnitude. Bro we just fired Easterby and both Cooks and the linebacker we just cut, flat out quit. The team is playing like they don’t even belong in the NFL. Looks like we’re about to only win 2 games again. They have lost majority of the fanbase.

the Pats eacaped alot of the dysfunction only b/c they already had all time greats at qb and HC in place…they were already winning.

The browns it took them a couple of years to bounce outta all that…& it kinda has set them back b/c they pushed in all their chips and bet on Mayfield…and were wrong. So they doubled down on the carnage and went out and spent a **** ton of draft capital on DW4…thats SB or bust level capital..which is not likely to pay off for them.

miami is thriving now…but lets see if they can sustain it.

see thats the thing…any team can have a 1 year renaissance..what the Texans should striving for is to set this team up for a real run with a young core.
 
Again he came into a traumatic unorthodox situation. Judge him after next season
No final grade yet.

But we can always look at how the early returns go.

I mean, what else do we do to pass the time?

The 3 top draft picks, for example, are ranked very low by PFF.

And even steelbtexan likes Sauce better than Stingley.

I expected to see some improvement.

I mean, why does the defense still look so bad with all these "supposedly" good players being brought in.

Lovie is still the guy that has the utmost say for that unit.
 
No final grade yet.

But we can always look at how the early returns go.

I mean, what else do we do to pass the time?

The 3 top draft picks, for example, are ranked very low by PFF.

And even steelbtexan likes Sauce better than Stingley.

I expected to see some improvement.

I mean, why does the defense still look so bad with all these "supposedly" good players being brought in.

Lovie is still the guy that has the utmost say for that unit.
Brother have you ever seen a team this poorly coached? Well of course we won’t see high PFF grades.
 
Brother have you ever seen a team this poorly coached? Well of course we won’t see high PFF grades.
What about roster building like steelbtexan likes to bring up?

Shouldn't Nick Caserio put emphasis on putting together an offensive line and a front four before filling up the other positions?
 
not really…especially if your suggestions are trash…as most of Texian’s are. Dude’s the only guy i keep on ignore.

and its not like every other franchise is having tremendous more success either. All but 4-5 franchises in the NFL have some issue with players, coaching or front office or owner. We unfortunately have an issue with 2-3 of those right now.
I disagree here.
As Leebigeztx had said, there's certain values to folks who seems/sounds like totally different than our own thoughts.

It makes us rethink from time to time.

I value thinking out of the box; it matters not that we agree.

I appreciate that it has a different perspective than mine on a number of things.
 
Brother have you ever seen a team this poorly coached? Well of course we won’t see high PFF grades.
Buffalo runs the same defense, just with better players. I watched them load the box, guys right there, still didn't make the tackle or slow the guy down. Kirkskey was scared, wallow and harris were just out of position along with Pitre and Owens. The dline got washed alot even vs a Titans line that's not really playing well.
 
Buffalo runs the same defense, just with better players. I watched them load the box, guys right there, still didn't make the tackle or slow the guy down. Kirkskey was scared, wallow and harris were just out of position along with Pitre and Owens. The dline got washed alot even vs a Titans line that's not really playing well.
Front 7 play is probably what I know the least about so I'm curious. Is it really even possible for your linebackers to look good when your dline gets blown off the ball like ours seems to?
 
not really…especially if your suggestions are trash…as most of Texian’s are. Dude’s the only guy i keep on ignore.

and its not like every other franchise is having tremendous more success either. All but 4-5 franchises in the NFL have some issue with players, coaching or front office or owner. We unfortunately have an issue with 2-3 of those right now.
If you have me on ignore, how is it you read and respond to so many of my posts? Transcendental meditation? The Power of Kool-Aid? Trolling? Thanks for reading.
 
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No final grade yet.

But we can always look at how the early returns go.

I mean, what else do we do to pass the time?

The 3 top draft picks, for example, are ranked very low by PFF.

And even steelbtexan likes Sauce better than Stingley.

I expected to see some improvement.

I mean, why does the defense still look so bad with all these "supposedly" good players being brought in.

Lovie is still the guy that has the utmost say for that unit.
Lovie is legitimately terrible but in his defense our pass defense is decent and that's with no help from our front 7. If I remember right from looking a couple days ago we're 17th in EPA/dropback and like 10th in yards per attempt. And that's with the secondary not getting much help from the pass rush. I think we're like 22nd in sack rate. And he's not working with much in the front 7 considering our high picks on defense are both in the secondary.

Also PFF is a joke when it comes to defensive backs.
 
Cal listened to Derrick and decided against hiring Khan.

What does having a say mean to you? To me, it doesn't mean Cal was going to hire Derrick's guy. Bet Cal never gives another player a say in who the GM is.
Who do you think make the decision on draft days and free agency?

An estimation will do, just so that we can say this is Nick Caserio's and that is Lovie's.
What about roster building like steelbtexan likes to bring up?

Shouldn't Nick Caserio put emphasis on putting together an offensive line and a front four before filling up the other positions?
Cal listened to Easterby. It was O'Brien who convinced Cal to hire Easterby. It was Easterby who convinced Cal to hire Caserio. Khan never met with Easterby's approval. Have you already forgotten how Easterby went to Cal's house early on a Sunday morning and convinced Cal to fire up the jet to go get Caserio because if they didn't go now they would lose Caserio to another team?

Lovie has the final say on the 53-man roster. That's how Cal got Lovie to take the job. Out of desperation, Cal had to get Lovie to take the job and had to meet all of Lovie's demands to do so. If Cal couldn't hire Lovie he was back at square one because all other coaches had withdrawn from consideration because they wouldn't play Caserio's silly games of Caserio being the quasi-head coach, hiring all assistant coaches and being in the press box calling the game on game day.

The 21' draft was mostly controlled by Pep Hamilton and Jack Easterby. That's how we got Mills and gave up a ransom for Collins. The 22' draft was like a game of Wheel of Fortune. It was all Lovie and all his major assistant coaches who got a turn to SPIN THE WHEEL.

BTW 76 I was onboard with your building from the inside out OL/DL. My choice for the Texans' 1st pick (3rd RD) was Quinn Meinerz who is now the starting OG for the Broncos. He was also far more athletic, stronger, and faster than Kenyon Green. I was not a fan of Mills because he came advertised as somewhat accurate. That scouting report seems to be true.
 
Cal listened to Easterby. It was O'Brien who convinced Cal to hire Easterby. It was Easterby who convinced Cal to hire Caserio. Khan never met with Easterby's approval. Have you already forgotten how Easterby went to Cal's house early on a Sunday morning and convinced Cal to fire up the jet to go get Caserio because if they didn't go now they would lose Caserio to another team?

Easterby wanted Caserio because he knew Khan or anyone else wouldn’t tolerate him. It was for job security. That’s why he got in Cal’s ear.

Caserio I think wanted Gannon, but I heard it was in fact that Cal wanted to keep Lovie on as DC. That fell through with the Flores law suit and probably because Gannon wanted his own people.

Easterby was pushing McCown.

Those are just things I had heard and read and think is closer to reality than fiction. I could be wrong though.
 
Cal listened to Easterby. It was O'Brien who convinced Cal to hire Easterby. It was Easterby who convinced Cal to hire Caserio. Khan never met with Easterby's approval. Have you already forgotten how Easterby went to Cal's house early on a Sunday morning and convinced Cal to fire up the jet to go get Caserio because if they didn't go now they would lose Caserio to another team?

Lovie has the final say on the 53-man roster. That's how Cal got Lovie to take the job. Out of desperation, Cal had to get Lovie to take the job and had to meet all of Lovie's demands to do so. If Cal couldn't hire Lovie he was back at square one because all other coaches had withdrawn from consideration because they wouldn't play Caserio's silly games of Caserio being the quasi-head coach, hiring all assistant coaches and being in the press box calling the game on game day.

The 21' draft was mostly controlled by Pep Hamilton and Jack Easterby. That's how we got Mills and gave up a ransom for Collins. The 22' draft was like a game of Wheel of Fortune. It was all Lovie and all his major assistant coaches who got a turn to SPIN THE WHEEL.

BTW 76 I was onboard with your building from the inside out OL/DL. My choice for the Texans' 1st pick (3rd RD) was Quinn Meinerz who is now the starting OG for the Broncos. He was also far more athletic, stronger, and faster than Kenyon Green. I was not a fan of Mills because he came advertised as somewhat accurate. That scouting report seems to be true.
This doesn't explain how the McNair's had been chasing Caserio for years.

Lovie. will be gone soon enough. He was a political hire in response to the Flores lawsuit.

They gave up a fortune to get Collins? I think we have different definitions of the word fortune. BTW, I like the progress Collins has made and he's going to be a very good WR for the next 5 years. A good investment. IMHO

I liked Meinerz a lot too and I'm a trenches 1st kind of guy, which is why I was disappointed that Caserio didn't share my philosophy in the last draft. The last draft was a really strong ol draft. Which is why I wanted a Neal then pick DT Davis and then when Linderbaum fell I would have traded up to the bottom of the 1st for Linderbaum. Beerlover and I talked about this before the draft and I wanted Davis at 13, he wanted Linderbaum. When Linderbaum fell below 20 we both wanted a trade up for Linderbaum. That would have been a foundational draft. You wouldn't have Pitre or Mtchie or the TE Caserio drafted late in the draft. But for foundational pieces I could live with this. This is why I it wouldn't hurt my feelings if Caserio drafted Carter in the 1st, also the best blocking TE either Mayer or Washington in the 1st and traded back into the 1st for Ika. Tough trench foundational pieces are what this franchise has been missing for yrs

With that said I thought Mills had potential to be a top 10 QB so I didn't have an issue with the pick. Little did I know they weren't going to put anything around him.

Hopefully the mods will move this post to the draft section instead of deleting it so we can further this discussion.
 
Easterby wanted Caserio because he knew Khan or anyone else wouldn’t tolerate him. It was for job security. That’s why he got in Cal’s ear.

Caserio I think wanted Gannon, but I heard it was in fact that Cal wanted to keep Lovie on as DC. That fell through with the Flores law suit and probably because Gannon wanted his own people.

Easterby was pushing McCown.

Those are just things I had heard and read and think is closer to reality than fiction. I could be wrong though.
Facts!
 
This doesn't explain how the McNair's had been chasing Caserio for years.

Lovie. will be gone soon enough. He was a political hire in response to the Flores lawsuit.

They gave up a fortune to get Collins? I think we have different definitions of the word fortune. BTW, I like the progress Collins has made and he's going to be a very good WR for the next 5 years. A good investment. IMHO

I liked Meinerz a lot too and I'm a trenches 1st kind of guy, which is why I was disappointed that Caserio didn't share my philosophy in the last draft. The last draft was a really strong ol draft. Which is why I wanted a Neal then pick DT Davis and then when Linderbaum fell I would have traded up to the bottom of the 1st for Linderbaum. Beerlover and I talked about this before the draft and I wanted Davis at 13, he wanted Linderbaum. When Linderbaum fell below 20 we both wanted a trade up for Linderbaum. That would have been a foundational draft. You wouldn't have Pitre or Mtchie or the TE Caserio drafted late in the draft. But for foundational pieces I could live with this. This is why I it wouldn't hurt my feelings if Caserio drafted Carter in the 1st, also the best blocking TE either Mayer or Washington in the 1st and traded back into the 1st for Ika. Tough trench foundational pieces are what this franchise has been missing for yrs

With that said I thought Mills had potential to be a top 10 QB so I didn't have an issue with the pick. Little did I know they weren't going to put anything around him.

Hopefully the mods will move this post to the draft section instead of deleting it so we can further this discussion.
Mills never had the potential to be a top 10 qb regardless of what they put around him. He wasn't even a good college player or did I miss something. Its been almost unheard of to be a avg or below avg college qb to be top 10 in the nfl. Mills would be the exception to the rule
 
Mills never had the potential to be a top 10 qb regardless of what they put around him. He wasn't even a good college player or did I miss something. Its been almost unheard of to be a avg or below avg college qb to be top 10 in the nfl. Mills would be the exception to the rule

Disagree..from a pure tools perspective he did/does have that potential. His main issue coming out was how much he had played & by extension him never getting the opportunity to put up that 1 big season that so many other recent top drafted qbs got to do.......despite not doing much else outside of that. Guys like Josh Allen.....Trey Lance.....Joe Burrow.....Will Levis this year.....You know all it takes is 1 good season for teams to jump on a guy as a top 10 qb if he has all the requisite tools which Mills does.
 
Nope, but the team should have known and even if they didn't know when they drafted him, they should have known before they gave him that extension. Hire a PI to find out who a guy is before giving him a max extension.

Moral of the story is you need to be very careful on who you give max contracts too and yes this includes looking into the people that he's hanging out with. Is it fair? Nope, is it good business? You better believe it is.
You don't think they did a background check on him before they drafted him? C'mon, you can't be that dense. They had pi's at the jr high talking to teacher before they drafted my cousin in 1990 in the 1st rd. All 1st rd picks get vetted to the fullest, this isn't speculation, this is something I know. I'm also almost certain that if they had any inkling that he was doing what he was doing before his extension, something would've gotten out. Once a player show you he's trouble free and an upstanding person, why would they all of a sudden flip the switch and do what Watson is accused of? Nobody had a clue this was going on during Covid.
 
Disagree..from a pure tools perspective he did/does have that potential. His main issue coming out was how much he had played & by extension him never getting the opportunity to put up that 1 big season that so many other recent top drafted qbs got to do.......despite not doing much else outside of that. Guys like Josh Allen.....Trey Lance.....Joe Burrow.....Will Levis this year.....You know all it takes is 1 good season for teams to jump on a guy as a top 10 qb if he has all the requisite tools which Mills does.
You can disagree, but show me 1 college qb who was avg when he played that turned out to be top 10 in the nfl. Whatever you want to say, I don't care about star rating of high school kids because we see DJ of Clemson looks like trash. Show me a qb in college who was avg or below avg in college like Mills and became top 10. Regardless of those guys you mentioned had 1 big season, they had 1 vs none. He could've went to play somewhere else like Spencer Rattler, Joe Flacco, hell Ewers and Burrough left to play. We see Bo Nix in Oregon when last year he was at Auburn. Hurts got pushed out by Tua and we to Oklahoma. It's been happening and these qbs are coming in from elite 11 camps with 1000s of throws on their arm. They're more ready to play that qbs 20yrs ago when everyone was just handing the ball off. Again, I like Mills, I just never understood why posters thought he was some kind of steal. He a backup/boderline starter in this league like Simien,Chase Daniels,Brissett, and a whole list of career backups. Great money in it also and at some point he might get another shot to start and maybe with his experience he can take advantage of it like Geno Smith has or Kurt Warner did, who knows?
 
You can disagree, but show me 1 college qb who was avg when he played that turned out to be top 10 in the nfl.

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I've always said that nowadays, teams need to have their third rounder (and oftentimes their fourth rounder) to become a viable starter with the way the player movement has been going on.

The math makes this obvious. If a team starts from scratch with even at 4 and one mid to high dollar free agent. It takes 5 years to fill a roster of just starters with no depth. Players have to come from places besides the top of the draft.
 
You can disagree, but show me 1 college qb who was avg when he played that turned out to be top 10 in the nfl. Whatever you want to say, I don't care about star rating of high school kids because we see DJ of Clemson looks like trash. Show me a qb in college who was avg or below avg in college like Mills and became top 10. Regardless of those guys you mentioned had 1 big season, they had 1 vs none. He could've went to play somewhere else like Spencer Rattler, Joe Flacco, hell Ewers and Burrough left to play. We see Bo Nix in Oregon when last year he was at Auburn. Hurts got pushed out by Tua and we to Oklahoma. It's been happening and these qbs are coming in from elite 11 camps with 1000s of throws on their arm. They're more ready to play that qbs 20yrs ago when everyone was just handing the ball off. Again, I like Mills, I just never understood why posters thought he was some kind of steal. He a backup/boderline starter in this league like Simien,Chase Daniels,Brissett, and a whole list of career backups. Great money in it also and at some point he might get another shot to start and maybe with his experience he can take advantage of it like Geno Smith has or Kurt Warner did, who knows?

lol Lucky beat me to it....

Joe Montana
TB12
Brett Favre - was pretty much garbage coming out..He got drafted PURELY off his tools.
Aaron Rodgers wasn't anything special in college...that's part of the reason he slipped like he did.

There are various other guys that depending on how you felt about them when they played in the NFL or b/c they were only considered a top 10 guy briefly could also be added here.....Matt Hasselbeck's of the world.
 
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This doesn't explain how the McNair's had been chasing Caserio for years.
Let me get us back on track and answer your question, again, about the Caserio saga. Caserio first came to Bob McNair's attention when Bill O'Brien strongly lobbied Bob McNair to hire Nick Caserio. Bob McNair passes and Bill O'Brien convinces Cal to hire Jack Easterby and the Caserio baton is passed to Cal.

So now Bill O'Brien and Jack Easterby convince Cal they need to hire Nick Caserio. Easterby makes a trip to Boston to attend the ring ceremony and spends the evening recruiting Nick Caserio to become a Texan. Easterby returns the next day and fires Brian Gaine under the assumption that Nick Caserio will be the new GM. Then Bill, Cal, and Jack try to hire Caserio. The Pats say, not so fast, the Texans are found guilty of tampering. Oops! So Bill and Jack convince Cal to make Bill the GM.

JJ Watt and the players convince Cal that O'Brien has to go. At the end of the season, Caserio is no longer under the contract and Jack Easterby convinces Cal that now is the time to hire Nick Caserio as the Texans' new GM. So now you're living, promoting, and cheering, a concoction that was created by Daniel Calhoun, Bill O'Brien, Jack Easterby, and Nick Caserio. So you got that going for you. "Some things never change"

The ghosts of Bill O'Brien and Jack Easterby will continue to roam the Kirby boardroom for at least another 5 years.
 
Let me get us back on track and answer your question, again, about the Caserio saga. Caserio first came to Bob McNair's attention when Bill O'Brien strongly lobbied Bob McNair to hire Nick Caserio. Bob McNair passes and Bill O'Brien convinces Cal to hire Jack Easterby and the Caserio baton is passed to Cal.

So now Bill O'Brien and Jack Easterby convince Cal they need to hire Nick Caserio. Easterby makes a trip to Boston to attend the ring ceremony and spends the evening recruiting Nick Caserio to become a Texan. Easterby returns the next day and fires Brian Gaine under the assumption that Nick Caserio will be the new GM. Then Bill, Cal, and Jack try to hire Caserio. The Pats say, not so fast, the Texans are found guilty of tampering. Oops! So Bill and Jack convince Cal to make Bill the GM.

JJ Watt and the players convince Cal that O'Brien has to go. At the end of the season, Caserio is no longer under the contract and Jack Easterby convinces Cal that now is the time to hire Nick Caserio as the Texans' new GM. So now you're living, promoting, and cheering, a concoction that was created by Daniel Calhoun, Bill O'Brien, Jack Easterby, and Nick Caserio. So you got that going for you. "Some things never change"

The ghosts of Bill O'Brien and Jack Easterby will continue to roam the Kirby boardroom for at least another 5 years.
If that ghost is Caserio I hope you're correct.

Could it be that BOB McNair and Kraft were close friends and that started McNair's hunt for Caserio. McNair probably met Caserio through Kraft and was impressed with the guy. So McNair tried to hire the guy long before Easterby entered the picture. In fact hiring Easterby was so that he could convince Caserio to join the Texans.
 
If that ghost is Caserio I hope you're correct.

Could it be that BOB McNair and Kraft were close friends and that started McNair's hunt for Caserio. McNair probably met Caserio through Kraft and was impressed with the guy. So McNair tried to hire the guy long before Easterby entered the picture. In fact hiring Easterby was so that he could convince Caserio to join the Texans.
No, Bill O'Brien first recommended Nick Caserio to Bob McNair in the same way Gary Kubiak recommended Rick Smith to Bob McNair. It's a pattern of behavior, Kirby boardroom thing. You're trying to hard make the Caserio hiring something it is not. You're trying to remove the stain and stigma of Caserio being a Cal, O'Brien, EasterbyCaserio connection. The bottom line is Jack Easterby convinced Cal and Janice to hire Caserio and they could now do so without any repercussions. So they did.

If Bob Kraft recommended Caserio to McNair then why didn't Kraft release Caserio when Bob McNair and Bill O'Brien originally wanted to hire him? Your math does not compute. Easterby was hired in the same manner that Rick Smith was hired, O'Brien recommended Cal do so. Cal did not have to hire Easterby in order for Caserio's Patriot contract to expire. The Kool-Aid is giving you some serious brain fog.
 
If Bob Kraft recommended Caserio to McNair then why didn't Kraft release Caserio when Bob McNair and Bill O'Brien originally wanted to hire him?

Because they wanted a draft pick. They even said as much.

The ghosts of OB and Easterby sure do sound spooky, but Halloween’s over.
 
Mills never had the potential to be a top 10 qb regardless of what they put around him. He wasn't even a good college player or did I miss something. Its been almost unheard of to be a avg or below avg college qb to be top 10 in the nfl. Mills would be the exception to the rule

You have no more proof of that than guaranteeing the winning lotto numbers for tonight. Just your opinion and nothing more. There are counter opinions as well. You’ve only assessed Mills from his current situation not the situation those of us with a different opinion have stated. Your opinion has been tested and based on results he’s had plenty of bright spots. Differing opinions have not been tested, therefore your is a very narrow one-sided opinion.

Development is a timely process, and those with weak stomachs should divert their eyes until the team reaches a point they can watch. I enjoy the process.
 
I don't think the Texans are worth your patience or motivation, much less your patrience. I know myself I wouldn't give a patrience, considering their existence is unverified. I expect better science out of a mod.

Old people get to make up new words! My mom used to do it all the time and now it's a skill that's been handed down to me. :D

pa·trience
/ˈpāSHrəns/
noun
noun: patrience
the lack of capacity to accept or tolerate perpetually crappy football teams.
 
lol Lucky beat me to it....

Joe Montana
TB12
Brett Favre - was pretty much garbage coming out..He got drafted PURELY off his tools.
Aaron Rodgers wasn't anything special in college...that's part of the reason he slipped like he did.

There are various other guys that depending on how you felt about them when they played in the NFL or b/c they were only considered a top 10 guy briefly could also be added here.....Matt Hasselbeck's of the world.
Montana was a good qb at a big time program. They didn't throw the ball much. Brett Favre beat beat Florida St at Southern Miss. Aaron Rodgers was in the debate as the #1 overrall pick, he also finished top 10 in the Heisman. Dude had almost a 4:1 td-int ratio. I see yall had to go back 20+ years to find exceptions to the rule that are not even exceptions. Brady is the exception to every rule, but carry on.
 
You have no more proof of that than guaranteeing the winning lotto numbers for tonight. Just your opinion and nothing more. There are counter opinions as well. You’ve only assessed Mills from his current situation not the situation those of us with a different opinion have stated. Your opinion has been tested and based on results he’s had plenty of bright spots. Differing opinions have not been tested, therefore your is a very narrow one-sided opinion.

Development is a timely process, and those with weak stomachs should divert their eyes until the team reaches a point they can watch. I enjoy the process.
You're right because I don't see special traits. He's a good timed foot athlete, but doesn't leave the pocket. He's not a natural football player. Kinda like Clowney is a athlete playing football vs being an athletic football player.
 
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