leebigeztx
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How could you tell Elway was a generational guys when you never saw him on tv or in person at Stanford? BTW, Elway is my favorite qb of all time. Just asking the question.
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Nick Caserio - New GM
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I saw several of his games in college.
They were usually the 3:00 game on ABC. They were originally the PAC 8 then the PAC 10. I don't remember which they were when Elway was there. I think the PAC 8. Elway was Stanford's QB in the Stanford/Cal band play.
Why would you make a post like this? I don't just make stuff up.
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ghostlight
Veteran
my brain hurts
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
In 4 years at Stanford and the way qb's played back then, I'm honest to say I didn't know what I was looking at. I;m 51, in 83 I was 12 and just watching and playing football. They didn't show Stanford much, especially in Houston because they were sorry. The west coast games I saw in Houston were mostly USC because they were king of the hill. So OJ, charles white,marcus allen, and whoever was handing the ball off. The only thing people knew of Elway was he had a rocket that he couldn't control. He was all fastball all the time coming out, but when the game was on the line, he was clutch. Of course evaluations have changed since then, its not even the same game now. Even Peyton Manning had to beat out the Stephenville kid out in Tennessee and people talked about his shortcoming because he didn't have a big arm,but he threw a heavy ball. I say all that to say this, you can't call someone generational when guys are coming out every year. Even in that famed 83 draft, I guess they had 3 generational qb and probably out of them, Marino was the dude but fell because of drug accusations. Nobody thought Rodgers was generational not Favre, but those guys have 7 MVP.
You didn't see Elway back then. He was a stud and carried a lesser talented team.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
If you live in Houston, Elway probably came on tv once maybe twice in 4 years
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
You have no idea what your talking about.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
That makes sense.Like I said, watching football at 12-13, I wasn't analyzing qb play like I have the last 15-20 years.
I doubt they show many Stanford games here in Houston back then.
I doubt that Stanford had more than two games on TV per year, and most likely regional TV.
It was mostly UCLA and USC.
I never watched Elway play in college.
I was out and about having better things to do on a Saturday anyway, unless I go to a Cougars game whether football or basketball.
I doubt that Stanford had more than two games on TV per year, and most likely regional TV.
It was mostly UCLA and USC.
I never watched Elway play in college.
I was out and about having better things to do on a Saturday anyway, unless I go to a Cougars game whether football or basketball.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I think Caserio’s biggest misfire as GM are the Britt and Cooks re-signings. He brought them both back essentially as veteran leaders for the rebuild and both have quit on the team well before the season ended. Not the veteran leaders you would want.
How was Caserio to know they would quit? Not that I agreed with the second restructure of Cooks contract, but to lay the blame of them quitting on Caserio?
Have we gotten actual word on what happened with Britt?
Right now that move is real painful because center is far and away the weakest spot on our line
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Easterby was whispering sweet nothings into his ear about Cooks. I was always suspect of Cooks due his public affection for Jack. Sounded like a brainwashed cult member. lol
They were up until they quit. He should have recognized they were Easterby orientated instead on Texans orientated
Texian
Hall of Fame
You used to hit from the tips then all of sudden you started playing from ladies' tees. I'm still trying to figure out what this is all about.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Which means you were to young to (probably) remember watching the original Star Trek in the late 60s when it was making it's original run.
Therefore, your opinion is invalid.
Texian
Hall of Fame
When the time comes to replace Lovie, which I believe will be sooner not later, NLT after the 2023 season. I don't think Cal has the stomach to do this 3 years in a row. I also just can't imagine Cal putting Nick Caserio back in charge of finding a new head coach. There is just no way Cal will watch Caserio go through Nick's process of interviewing head coaches with the understanding that Caserio will be responsible for hiring his assistant coaches and will be on a headphone in the coaches' box call calling the game on game day, along with also being responsible for 53 man roster. The Easterby firing was a prelude to things that are coming, Lovie and Caserio's departure after the 2023 season. At which time Cal will believe he has fully and finally exercised all of the Bill O'Brien demons. Cal will also understand this will give him one last year to salvage what is left of the DW4 trade.
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Regardless of the fact that in an ideal situation I want Lovie gone the day after our last game I do worry about how that looks. Hiring and firing two head coaches in two years? This is already a very unattractive place for HC candidates and that just makes it worse.
Texian
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Which means you were to young to (probably) remember watching the original Star Trek in the late 60s when it was making it's original run.
Therefore, your opinion is invalid.
I remember itWhich means you were to young to (probably) remember watching the original Star Trek in the late 60s when it was making it's original run.
Therefore, your opinion is invalid.
Used to watch reruns of it daily after school.
If Caserio hires the HC's I would agree with you.
You hope this happens, or are you just being a hater.
Cal should at least let Caserio draft the picks he got from the Derrick fleecing of the Browns before he makes a move.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Texian
Hall of Fame
Opinions are based strictly on observations.
That's fair, you might be right. Cal being an idiot wouldn't surprise me at all.
I think the most generous interpretation of Cal’s ownership so far is a man who trusts others way too easily. By far the most likely is incompetent leader who meddles too much in things he doesn’t know much about.
I’d rather them just sell the team but as that seems unlikely second best scenario is Cal getting help finding someone to put in charge and let them steer the ship.
You can be a good owner and not know much about running a football team, you just need to be good at knowing when to use your influence and knowing when to back off.
Unfortunately being an NFL owner means it’s nearly impossible to lose money or suffer and real consequences to your actions. The absolute worst you can do is be forced to sell and walk away with billions in cash.
SeriousShizzle
Rookie
Starting to wonder about Nikky.......... not that I am impatient........ Year 2 would usually have decent core we can build on. 75% people on this team are one year rentals.
I am no so sure about this rebuild. We see
GO F"N ASTROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so proud!!!!
I am no so sure about this rebuild. We see
GO F"N ASTROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so proud!!!!
We're you sure about the Astros rebuild after they lost 100 games v3 yrs in a row?
This is year 1 of a rebuild where we were much further behind than a typical rebuild. This recent offseason was the first with draft capital since the 2020 collapse and the next one will be the first with actual cap space as well.
Not a typical rebuild where you come into a team immediately with draft capital and at least 1-2 positions groups to build around
The team that Kubiak inherited was also a sh.t show with no cap space.
He managed 6 wins, including one against the eventual Super Bowl winner.
Nick Caserio already had two drafts that combine as two full drafts and one year to get out of cap hell.
There's nothing non-typical about this rebuild.
Caserio has been doing a poor job; no two way about it.
Before the season started, about 4-5 teams were regarded as bottom-dwellers.
The Texans remain in the pit.
There needs to be some accountability here.
The son owner is as meddling as his dad was.
Nobody trusted Casserly back then.
Why should Caserio get a free pass?
Casserly got 4 years. No one was calling for Charley's head for the first 3.
I was simply talking about Kubiak having Casserly that particular year.
At any rate, the Texans were a new franchise when Casserly first got here.
Most everybody gave him the benefit of the doubt for awhile.
But I don't remember people saying he was doing a good job.
I certainly didn't agree with the Carr's pick.
I wanted the Peppers.
Texian
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Last year Caserio used 10 draft picks to draft 5 players. Nick used several draft picks to trade for players that were cut either weeks or a few months later. Nick used a couple of draft picks to trade up for mediocre players that likely would have been available without trading up. The 2022 draft was a Lovie "Family & Friends" draft. Nick was only the facilitator, he wasn't a decision-maker.
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Not sure I can take anyone seriously who thinks this was a typical rebuild lmao
What's different from this team and the one Kubiak inherited?
Can’t say as I didn’t start watching football till 2009/2010. But I’ve followed the league pretty closely since then and I’ve yet to see a roster as talentless as the one he inherited. Combined with no picks in the first two rounds of his first draft, the lack of any sort of cap space, and the off the field issues the franchise has had and I don’t think there’s a legitimate argument for this being typical.
Texian
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The Carr pick was a Bob McNair pick NOT a Casserly pick. Casserly still has the Texan's best draft, 2006, and with an exception of the 2002 draft, Casserly drafted a pro bowler in each of his drafts.I was simply talking about Kubiak having Casserly that particular year.
At any rate, the Texans were a new franchise when Casserly first got here.
Most everybody gave him the benefit of the doubt for awhile.
But I don't remember people saying he was doing a good job.
I certainly didn't agree with the Carr's pick.
I wanted the Peppers.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Its funny how you'll pull out every excuse in the book trying to defend the Smithiak years..(They were in the same division with Peyton Manning!!
) & yet are so very critical of NC for every little move that you don't agree with & as such that means he's done "a poor job". Lol. Dom Capers & Casserly managed to win 7 games in their 3rd year with an expansion team roster....& that speaks to 2 things. 1, the talent on that roster wasn't as depleted as you'd like to lead people to believe when Kubiak took over. Certainly not as depleted as it is now. In fact, That draft class with Meco, Spencer, Mario, Winston & Owen Daniels....with a young stud in Dunta, was a solid core to start out with.........Oh yeah, can't forget the MONSTER AJ...who was better than any player currently on the Texans roster...Yeah, Kubiak walked in the door and had all that & a few other key vets like McKinney, Walter and Payne on his roster 1st year. All that being said, they still only managed 1 win better than Capers' best season for the next 3 damn years................... after starting out with a 6-10 record. Eventually they'd "break through" with the slightly above mediocrity of 9-7 lol. So count those drafts up.....That's 4 full drafts that they had before they got on the cusp of doing anything....& that's with them never dealing with anything remotely close to the DW4 fiasco........or the salary cap armagedon & contracts BoB left us with either. So tell me again how poor of a job NC has done b/c he's already had 2 full drafts..
The current Texans "remain in the pit" b/c it is in fact an atypical rebuild..... & you'd see that if you weren't so busy trying to romanticize the Smithiak years.
Do you think Cal is equal to Jim Crane with regards to being owners?
Crane had a long term vision and hired qualified people to implement it.
Cal has no vision and he hires people based on qualifiers that are dubious, at best.
Crane built his companies from the ground up. He knows how to hire the right people and knows how to manage them through experience.
Cal has none of those qualifications. His dad had them, but Cal hires people like Jack Easterby and David Culley, two jokers that would never have been interviewed by owners like Crane (or Bob McNair for that matter).
He's had 1 full draft and did well in the Derrick trade.
His 1st draft he found 4 players, even though some would say those are Lovie's picks. What more do you expect and what would you have done differently?
I will tell you what I would have done differently and said so at the time. I would have drafted
1. Neal
1. Davis
2. Sam Williams
2nd guessing the draft like you're doing,
I would have drafted
1. Neal
1. Davis
1. After trading back into the 1st Linderbaum
Either way I would have fixed the trenches 1st. Williams would be my #2 edge behind Aderson in this yrs draft.
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Mr teX
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At the time tho his vision was criticized a bit….mostly b/c noone knew what kind of owner he’d be…flames fanned by you guessed it, the local sports media yahoos who tried to extrapolate how he’d handled his other businesses & controversy surrounding his other businesses. Remember too he caught hell with fans b/c MLB made him becoming the new owner somewhat contingent on his agreement to move the Stros to the American league…which fans didnt want. I also remember grumblings about how he was gonna be cheaper than Drayton was b/c his finances were in question.
point is, unless it’s something fans wholeheartedly agree with, they typically frown upon it.
Quoted for truth.
Casserly remained GM thru the draft. The Broncos did not want to release Rick Smith at that point because he was privy to Denver's draft plans. After the draft, Casserly was let go and Smith became GM of the Texans.
Unfortunately this is true.
The dysfunction he left behind ruined this franchise.
Utter incompetence.