Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Just highlights the **** stain social media is…everyone thinks they’re an analyst..
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Davis Mills getting no respect
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Just highlights the **** stain social media is…everyone thinks they’re an analyst..
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If Mills isn't going to cut it, they'll get a QB next season. They'll either draft a top choice or bring in a vet and put off drafting a top choice. But they don't have much longer to make up their minds and the schedule is tough. Mills is soon going to have to put up something anyways, and about the only thing he's got is one good RB. LOL
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
We’re not running more uptempo & pep isnt attacking the seams (downfield throws) more for the same reason we only attack downfield sparingly out on the edges…………. b/c Lovie wants a ball control offense…… to control the clock…trying to protect his defense. You get alot of running and short passing with that type of offense.
Texansballer74
The Marine
No team runs uptempo until they’re either behind or trying to get their offense in rhythm.
Indeed, Lovie said we’re a running team. Which is fine but he fail to realize we need more than just one legitimate running back.
I didn’t care much for Fitzpatrick when they signed him. Beating the Texans as a rookie with no prep hurt. Being a Titan for a little while didn’t help. He was under contract for at least another year & the Titans cut him. Not good enough for them.
We signed him to a bigger contract.
I learned to appreciate him. Tough dude. If he didn’t give you 110% it was because he was giving you 115%.
But I knew he wasn’t the future. Wasn’t going to get us to the Super Bowl much less a wild card game.
I was ready for an upgrade as soon as the season was over.
But… Hoyer? Savage? Osweiler?
I’d have just as soon suffered 3 seasons with Fitzmagic, than go for that ride where the defense suffered because they were trying to find OLmen, RBs, WRs.
Now, we can’t run the ball, we can’t stop the run. As long as Mills isn’t giving games away, I’d just as soon build a team until there’s a generational prospect to be had.
I don’t want to go from Locker to Mettenberg, to Gabbert, to Mariotta, to end up with Tannehill.
We’ve got Tannehill.
I don't know about analyst.
But I'm sure the word anal should be in their wiki.
I go by what I see and sometimes that can be unpopular.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
This right here.
There was no pressure on him last year... and no/low expectations. This year he's been told he's the man and has to carry the team so a bit of anxiety is understandable. But I still don't understand why you think he showed anxiety at the end of last year
You did, that's what started this conversation when I questioned this comment of yours. But no biggie
But, I do believe he is anxious again. My concern is .... what did they change that made him feel unsure or fearful again .... why change anything when he manages to win 4 of the last 5 games. We (improved ?) the line, and we got him a promising young RB .... there's a negative in there somewhere. Of course, we have the option of losing out and grabbing that Ohio State QB .... I don't know how many times he has to do this, to convince folks Stroud is real !
But the question was why did you think he was anxious LAST YEAR?
I know why you think he is this year, that's not the question. And Stroud has nothing to do with it anyway, even if you do think he's the answer
Well you caught me on Stroud .... that was merely a shameless plug, that I thought I could slip in under the radar. LAST YEAR, he was anxious because only he could feel the true pressure of commanding and leading a professional football team into battle with only 17 starts under his belt since he was an 18 year old senior in high school .... and .... he's a Stanford boy, so he was just smart enough to know how much he didn't know !
Again you fail to answer... what did he do LAST YEAR to make you think he had anxiety? Do I need to quote your comment again for you to remember what you said?
He did what most of us would do in that situation .... he'd spaz out ! He'd Know that he had to perform quicker, faster, surer, truer, than he ever had in entire life .... all the while knowing that it wouldn't be enough ! Everyone knows that the thing about the pro's is .... all your life you've been one of the best, one of the fastest .... suddenly .... everyone is fast .... even the 300 pound gorillas ! Faster .... must get ball out of hand faster .... so he would, with all his might, hurry his dump off passes .... but alas, they would be way off the mark, and so quick-fast that no one could adjust to them .... and finally he would do what I would do ... look up - eyes rolled back - sh!t - and fall back in it ! Technical terminology !
He did all that at the end of last year? When everyone was praising him for his poise and the promise he showed?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Is Mr Stroud…..Mr Stroud if he’s QB1 for Virginia, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, or Iowa State? If he’s not capable of making any of the teams listed as successful as Ohio State……then what do you think he does with the Texans team Mills has been asked to lead?
Don't want Stroud, y'all shouldn't either.
I'm starting to come around on Young despite his size. He's got a calmness about his game. With him it's about acceptable injury risk.
I'm starting to come around on Young despite his size. He's got a calmness about his game. With him it's about acceptable injury risk.
Don’t want Young.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Texansballer74
The Marine
Brother Josh Allen played for Wyoming and in 2017 they went 8-5. In 2016 they went 8-6. Now look at how’s he is playing in the NFL. Did he make that program successful?
To me it’s about coaching on the next level. And if the player a student of the game. CJ Stroud seems to be a student of the game and he’s a very talented quarterback. So would he make those programs successful? Who knows?
vtech9
All Pro
I'm good with Mills until we get the rest of the team built. I haven't had a chance to watch Tennessee yet, so I don't know much about their QB. I'm watching the Ohio St./Iowa game, and Stroud doesn't look very good. Maybe this is what Stroud would look like in the NFL
What I saw of Young in the 'Bama game last night is what I see from Kylar Murray in almost every game. He also reminds me of Baker Mayfield. He has to run around to find a passing lane. I don't see him as a scheme fit for any Pro offense except for maybe Arizona since he has a similar game to Kylar. If another Kylar Murray or Baker Mayfield is what you want, then go after Young. That's not what I want in a QB, so I'm passing on him.
I haven't had a chance to watch Tennessee yet, but from the highlights I've seen, he may be my favorite out of this class. Likewise, I haven't been able to watch Levis either, so I don't know how good or bad he is.
I watched the game yesterday, and to me, Stroud was very inconsistent. He'd make good throws when he rolled to his left, but made poor throws when rolling to his right, which should have been his strong side. He played better in the 2nd half, but then again, his WR's were getting more separation in the 2nd half. I just don't think Stroud is going to be very successful in the NFL, so I'm passing on him.
What I saw of Young in the 'Bama game last night is what I see from Kylar Murray in almost every game. He also reminds me of Baker Mayfield. He has to run around to find a passing lane. I don't see him as a scheme fit for any Pro offense except for maybe Arizona since he has a similar game to Kylar. If another Kylar Murray or Baker Mayfield is what you want, then go after Young. That's not what I want in a QB, so I'm passing on him.
I haven't had a chance to watch Tennessee yet, but from the highlights I've seen, he may be my favorite out of this class. Likewise, I haven't been able to watch Levis either, so I don't know how good or bad he is.
Texansballer74
The Marine
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol
Texansballer74
The Marine
Every quarterback will have days in which they are inaccurate. Every last one of them. You just can’t go off of one game.
Yes the quarterback from Tennessee is legit as well. I’ve watched three of their games. The quarterback from Kentucky is top notch too.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Watson's gone, shouldn't need as many hookers now.
vtech9
All Pro
It's also easy to look good when every player on your team is better than the other team.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Hey brother you win. It’s like everyone always has some type of clap back.
vtech9
All Pro
I'm just saying that we've seen so many QB's that played on the best teams in college, not be successful in the NFL, while QB's that have been on average to struggling teams come out and be better NFL QB's.
Absolutely !
For example in the game tonight with WRs Waddle & Hill the southpaw with Miami is impressive but Mills would be too with that caliber of receivers.
Is clap back a STD?
Porky
Hall of Fame
I finally saw some progress out of Mills yesterday...
Positives -
* Made a few off schedule plays and used a "bit" of athleticism like the little toss play (can't remember who it went to), or the time he slid in the pocket and delivered a gem for a score. This was the first time I've ever seen him make a play. Gotta a long way to go - but a little progress on that count.
* Accuracy was mostly on point. A few were a little off, but his accuracy was much better and in some cases he actually led guys properly. Good job.
* Threw more into the intermediate zones. If they want to back the safety's up and give DP a little wiggle room, they need to keep that up.
* Seemed more in command to me and had guys in the right play/protection for the most part. Just seemed like more of a field general out there.
Negatives:
* The biggie was the pick six. He really locked on his target. He needs to learn to move guys with his body, head and eyes better. He does at times...but not on that one and it was easy pickings and that was the ballgame.
* His play-action fake is horrendous. It's not fooling anyone. Someone gives this guy some tape of Matt Schaub stat.
* He is still stiff as a board to me and as dull as a 30 year old bread knife in his play and overall personality. There is zero "it factor" with this guy. He made some minor progress in this area yesterday but he isn't going to put any butts in seats with his play. Most people would rather watch something more exciting - like watching bread dough rise, or watching grass grow. Say what you will - but this IS a factor for teams. This team needs some excitement and someone to rally around and he is just completely dull in style and personality and isn't that guy.
Conclusion - his best game this year easily, and reminded me more of what we saw last year. I don't think it really changes the long term arc of his career at this point which I have him as a good quality backup, spot starter, bridge starter type...but IF (big if) he grows off of this game and continues to improve, I'm always willing to change my mind. As of now, I am still of the mind we draft a guy in the first round in 23 or 24.
Positives -
* Made a few off schedule plays and used a "bit" of athleticism like the little toss play (can't remember who it went to), or the time he slid in the pocket and delivered a gem for a score. This was the first time I've ever seen him make a play. Gotta a long way to go - but a little progress on that count.
* Accuracy was mostly on point. A few were a little off, but his accuracy was much better and in some cases he actually led guys properly. Good job.
* Threw more into the intermediate zones. If they want to back the safety's up and give DP a little wiggle room, they need to keep that up.
* Seemed more in command to me and had guys in the right play/protection for the most part. Just seemed like more of a field general out there.
Negatives:
* The biggie was the pick six. He really locked on his target. He needs to learn to move guys with his body, head and eyes better. He does at times...but not on that one and it was easy pickings and that was the ballgame.
* His play-action fake is horrendous. It's not fooling anyone. Someone gives this guy some tape of Matt Schaub stat.
* He is still stiff as a board to me and as dull as a 30 year old bread knife in his play and overall personality. There is zero "it factor" with this guy. He made some minor progress in this area yesterday but he isn't going to put any butts in seats with his play. Most people would rather watch something more exciting - like watching bread dough rise, or watching grass grow. Say what you will - but this IS a factor for teams. This team needs some excitement and someone to rally around and he is just completely dull in style and personality and isn't that guy.
Conclusion - his best game this year easily, and reminded me more of what we saw last year. I don't think it really changes the long term arc of his career at this point which I have him as a good quality backup, spot starter, bridge starter type...but IF (big if) he grows off of this game and continues to improve, I'm always willing to change my mind. As of now, I am still of the mind we draft a guy in the first round in 23 or 24.
Going for excitement over substance is what has gotten the Texans where they are at today. With the McNair's it's always about the money over winning. That's been proven.
I'm hoping Caserio waits until 2024 to draft his QB if Mills doesn't improve. Yesterdays version of Mills you can win with with a somewhat competent defense.
I'm hoping Caserio waits until 2024 to draft his QB if Mills doesn't improve. Yesterdays version of Mills you can win with with a somewhat competent defense.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
What? Mills has been the same QB for over a year now. About 20 PPG, making stupid mistakes, not showing that he can win in big moments, playing conservatively, has little feel for the pocket, has the occasional big play or nice throw, just flat-out average. We need to draft a QB and let them take it slow. Waiting forever to pick "the right guy" doesn't make sense. Even if one comes out, there are no guarantees and other teams may find ways to get them before us. It's a risk. You take it as they come and make the best decision and work with them to become better.
There's one guarantee, if you pick a QB just because you need one you're more likely to miss on the pick. That's how Bortles becomes a top pick.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Ok Kreskin. If you say so. The truth is the draft is a crapshoot, and at least part of the final result has to do with the team that the draftee goes to, talent around him, coaching, scheme, etc. If you like a guy enough to draft him at the spot you're at, do it.
The future is not guaranteed. You make it seem so easy but it's not. Next year, there is a decent chance that even with Mills we're drafting in the low teens in 2024. With a good draft in 23, you could be in the 6-8 wins area, and that's with Mills. Then what? Do you throw a bunch of future picks into the fray to move up? You can't look at it in a vacuum because there's other factors at play.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Spot on with your points, both good and bad. The play fake MUST get better if you want to be a running team that takes shots. By far, best I have seen him on the road in hostile environment. I do wonder if his thumb was a problem on accuracy. Moving defenders with eyes should come as he progresses with some of the other improvements. Bottom line, nobody is winning unless we fix the front seven. Only stupid OC's cannot crack that you run the ball and throw where LB's are supposed to be
badboy
Hall of Fame
If a quarterback is selected in the 2023 draft he will not be on the same team that Mills has this year but then neither will Davis Mills.
badboy
Hall of Fame
This is who I'm leaning to
badboy
Hall of Fame
The quarterback still needs to do all the quarterbacky things and both Stroud and Bryce young and seemingly herdon hooker do it very well. While I believe Davis Mills had a improved game against Raiders he still did not look as good when he had blocking as I thought he should. Hopefully he will continue to improve.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think that's an assumption on your part that meals would do better with a higher caliber of receivers. We just don't know that. There's been many times this season that he has not come close to his Target with the ball even when he has the time to deliver it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Now this is spot on. I concur 1000%.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly. Man I counted at least 3 passes in which he skipped the ball to his receivers. He did show some improvement. But when it counted the most, his play went down.
10-18 80 yards with a pick 6. The longest pass was to Dare (23 yards gained in garbage time). Everything else was dink and donk stuff.
Pep is scared to attack the field. You’re down and you have your quarterback dinking and donkiing. Come on coach
badboy
Hall of Fame
Really? Based upon what? Not arguing but really want to understand how you see this. I cannot think of one defensive standout from 2021 that is having a better season in 2022.
Hooker, Young and Stroud are.
badboy
Hall of Fame
As I have posted before I think that meals tends to do extremely well in a hurry up offense. My guess is Pep Hamilton is the biggest weakness that our quarterback has. I think the game plan is to play extremely conservative and hope the defense keeps you in the ball game. This was also Bill O'Brien's strategy. I have not made my mind up on Smith but we do need a new offensive coordinator and offensive approach.