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Davis Mills getting no respect

JB said:
He does reduce their sense of urgency of selecting a qb high on the first day of the draft in 2023... meaning they won't overpay to move up in the draft
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Im not sure thats 100% either tho. If the Seahawks are somehow in playoff contention late in the season & wind up not getting there primarily b/c Geno's play, i could see a situation where they maybe fall prey to the same thinking every FO does in the draft...which is "we just need a qb.." if a highly thought of qb prospect is even anywhere close to falling to them in the 1st......like a Will Levis or a Bryce Young.
 
Mr teX said:
Geno is hardly a “success” story. 1st of all, He’s been in the league for nearly 10 years and has played for 4 different teams and systems……but he has been with Seattle for the last 3….under the same HC and offensive system…He also has a true #1 WR in DK and a great #2 in Lockett….Seahawks are still only 1 win better than us and fans arent looking at him as the answer….pretty sure Carroll and the seahawks FO aren’t either. He’s another Tyrod Taylor.
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Missing the point.
 
Lucky said:
Why do teams begin to win? Because they get better players and/or better coaching. Teams begin to lose because the player talent pool or coaching regresses. The teams that consistently win or lose maintain their advantage/disadvantage in talent and/or coaching.
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I agree. I add that those teams that get better players/coaches is done apart from not winning games & drafting high. They draft well & evaluate their coaching.

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Of couse each oscillation is a year, more or less. You may not see it from one year to the next but over time. Like the Patriots, Packers, Steelers. They saw long droughts because something interrupted their process. They made this correction, or that then experienced long periods of winning. I'm speaking of the period before Brady to the period of Brady. The period before Rothlisberger then the period of Rothlisberger. The period before Favre & the period of Favre.

I use the QB as reference because I do agree the QB is a big part of it.

My point, drafting well is more conducive to winning than drafting early. If you're in a position to do both, great. Teams should want to draft early & draft well. But they should not want to lose. Acquire additional draft picks. Work the draft. Do not let the draft work you.
 
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thunderkyss said:
But they should not want to lose.
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In a vacuum, no one wants to lose. That's just where the Texans are. When your talent level is so depleted, there is nothing anyone can do but lose. It's not because the coaches or players are working at losing.

Frankly, it's a ridiculous argument that keeps rearing it's head. The Texans will lose because they are a bad team. Bad teams get higher picks. When the team's talent level improves, they will not select as high. But, they will still need to draft well to improve and maintain the talent level.

We all know this to be true. Why is it continually brought up?
 
Mr teX said:
Im not sure thats 100% either tho. If the Seahawks are somehow in playoff contention late in the season & wind up not getting there primarily b/c Geno's play, i could see a situation where they maybe fall prey to the same thinking every FO does in the draft...which is "we just need a qb.." if a highly thought of qb prospect is even anywhere close to falling to them in the 1st......like a Will Levis or a Bryce Young.
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I don't expect them to be contenders... I think the wheels will fall off
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree. I add that those teams that get better players/coaches is done apart from not winning games & drafting high. They draft well & evaluate their coaching.

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Of couse each oscillation is a year, more or less. You may not see it from one year to the next but over time. Like the Patriots, Packers, Steelers. They saw long droughts because something interrupted their process. They made this correction, or that then experienced long periods of winning. I'm speaking of the period before Brady to the period of Brady. The period before Rothlisberger then the period of Rothlisberger. The period before Favre & the period of Favre.

I use the QB as reference because I do agree the QB is a big part of it.

My point, drafting well is more conducive to winning that drafting early. If you're in a position to do both, great. Teams should want to draft early & draft well. But they should not want to lose. Acquire additional draft picks. Work the draft. Do not let the draft work you.
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Yeah, that's the trick isn't it? Making more right choices in the draft than wrong ones. The theory is simple, the execution is almost impossible. People and cattle are the same in that you never know what you get until after you get it.
 
Thorn said:
Yeah, that's the trick isn't it? Making more right choices in the draft than wrong ones. The theory is simple, the execution is almost impossible. People and cattle are the same in that you never know what you get until after you get it.
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It's not just the draft. It's the coaching too. Mike Devlin should never have been employed as long as he was. But it was as if the guy evaluating the coaching kept saying that he needs to improve the talent. & regardless who they plugged in, they continued to point to the talent alone as the problem.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed.

I don't know. In the future I hope I'm more like you & not take the bait when it's brought up & instead argue with the guy responding to it.
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Exactly, therefore if a guy isn’t getting it down,I don’t see any problem with making the necessary changes. And so far Mills isn’t getting it done. His accuracy is way the bleep off. And IMO he isn’t playing with the same confidence that he showed in the last five games of last season.
 
steelbtexan said:
Some just aren't wanting to go through the growing pains of rebuilding the team. Guess what, those pains are going to happen whether they like it or not.
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If memory serves me, the Astros didn’t get to where they are today without the pain of a complete tear down and rebuild of the organization. They were firmly committed to this quest and I was 100% behind following the process. I dove into learning everything I could about Luhnow’s picks and their progression through the minors.

I’m not going to knee-jerk with Mills b/c to date, he’s had enough positive downs during his 16 NFL starts to show me the talent is there…..just not consistently. I’d keep adding the pieces and let him develop along the way. I’m not in the group that thinks this team is a new rookie QB1 away from being 4-1 this season. I believe Mills will be the same as the final 5 games last season Mills at some point between game 6 and 10. He’s in his 3rd offense over his last 26 starts since HS. I’d give him this season and reassess at season’s end. If he has the same strong finish as last season…..then he’s QB1 going into the 2023 season. It might be the best move for the team and Mills if he gets a back to back season with the same staff and personnel….outside of the new players added via the draft and FA.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Exactly, therefore if a guy isn’t getting it down,I don’t see any problem with making the necessary changes. And so far Mills isn’t getting it done. His accuracy is way the bleep off. And IMO he isn’t playing with the same confidence that he showed in the last five games of last season.
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I don't think Mills has been that inaccurate since the Week 2 against the Broncos, where he missed wildly on several throws. Completion percentage is trending up and has been hitting most intermediate and deep throws. All QBs miss throws every NFL game, and Mills has his also. Hasn't been egregious with Mills lately at all - drops have been a bigger concern and Cooks hasn't been reeling in catches he should make, even if slightly off target. Disagree with your characterization.
 
SeriousShizzle said:
Mills is highly INACCURATE and highly LATE with his short passes. It blows my mind how he is a starter!!!!! Its over for the man. Drive him to the nearest Mc'Donalds and let him flip burgers. :D


Oh yeah he can "FIX IT"....... neh same on all 4 games and last season too.
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You know that he injured his thumb on his throwing hand ???

Has he fully recovered from this injury? We don't know. How much has this impacted his release? We don't know. But we can guess it did have an impact.

He obviously has played through it, but how long will it take for him to fully recover?
 
Number19 said:
You know that he injured his thumb on his throwing hand ???

Has he fully recovered from this injury? We don't know. How much has this impacted his release? We don't know. But we can guess it did have an impact.

He obviously has played through it, but how long will it take for him to fully recover?
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The bye week should help.

This is a good question for CnD.
 
Texansphan said:
Do you think he has some subtle moves that help in that regard?
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Yes, he moves well within the pocket.

The main thing he needs to improve is his accuracy, he's really regressed in this area. I also think he needs to stop predetermining where he's going with the ball and really go through his reads. This is something most young QB's go through particularly QB's that have played as little as Mills has.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes, he moves well within the pocket.

The main thing he needs to improve is his accuracy, he's really regressed in this area. I also think he needs to stop predetermining where he's going with the ball and really go through his reads. This is something most young QB's go through particularly QB's that have played as little as Mills has.
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He's got anxiety again .... just like the end of last year. He's missing on 4 to 8 yard passes. In my youth, my brother in law and I, could sit in lawn chairs 25-30 yards apart and throw passes to each other and never miss, or fall out of the chairs ! We weren't anything but calm .... cause we were drinking Thanksgiving Beers .... and we were calm ! Mills has found "calm" at times, and he looked All-Pro. We let one of the most dominant guards in the league get away from us .... because we couldn't diagnose Anxiety ! "Those who are ignorant of History, are doomed to repeat their blunders." It's tough to solicit help .... especially in Mills' situation. When you're the best and the coolest, and the leader, it's tough to say .... I'm scared" !
 
justmy2cents said:
He's got anxiety again .... just like the end of last year. He's missing on 4 to 8 yard passes. In my youth, my brother in law and I, could sit in lawn chairs 25-30 yards apart and throw passes to each other and never miss, or fall out of the chairs ! We weren't anything but calm .... cause we were drinking Thanksgiving Beers .... and we were calm ! Mills has found "calm" at times, and he looked All-Pro. We let one of the most dominant guards in the league get away from us .... because we couldn't diagnose Anxiety ! "Those who are ignorant of History, are doomed to repeat their blunders." It's tough to solicit help .... especially in Mills' situation. When you're the best and the coolest, and the leader, it's tough to say .... I'm scared" !
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I dont think he's scared, I think his thumb affected his accuracy somewhat and his predetermining of reads also makes him appear confused at times.
 
justmy2cents said:
It did .... we had it .... we misinterpreted his success as "cured," when in reality, it merely went back into hiding .... a kind of self defense mechanism .... all the ingredients for an "Alien V" !!
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So he didn't show anxiety at the end of last year? Perhaps you misinterpreted his anxiety to begin with ? And are now?
 
When we won 3 of our final 4 games of the season .... we had Ol' Mo' cause Mills looked like he had arrived .... ya know .... it seems like that was the time period when old Sexy Rexy put the team on his back and ran for 125 ! It is said that Mill's heart grew 3 sizes that day !!
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justmy2cents said:
It did .... we had it .... we misinterpreted his success as "cured," when in reality, it merely went back into hiding .... a kind of self defense mechanism .... all the ingredients for an "Alien V" !!
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It took him roughly 6 starts to gel with the offense and Kelly's play calling. He looked very good down the stretch. This season...the old offense and Kelly are out and the new offense with Pep are in. He's got 6 starts under his belt so I'm curious to see if this bye week helped with getting the offense in gear. Hope Pep opens it up a bit more.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
It took him roughly 6 starts to gel with the offense and Kelly's play calling. He looked very good down the stretch. This season...the old offense and Kelly are out and the new offense with Pep are in. He's got 6 starts under his belt so I'm curious to see if this bye week helped with getting the offense in gear. Hope Pep opens it up a bit more.
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That's my issue. Mills looks good when Pep opens it up. Just go back and watch the stretch in the Chargers game when Mills brought us back. The problem is when Pep doesn't open it up, Mills looks uncomfortable. Just let the kid play, so we can all see what he is capable of. If Pep keeps on with the conservative playcalling, we may never see what Mills is truly capable of, or vice versa. Whether or not Mills is the guy or not, we won't be able to truly tell if Pep doesn't turn him loose to either sink or swim. Take the damned floaties off. Then we'll be able to see if Mills can be the guy or if he really does suck.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
It took him roughly 6 starts to gel with the offense and Kelly's play calling. He looked very good down the stretch. This season...the old offense and Kelly are out and the new offense with Pep are in. He's got 6 starts under his belt so I'm curious to see if this bye week helped with getting the offense in gear. Hope Pep opens it up a bit more.
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I don’t think it has anything to do with the offense. Remember he ran this in college. The major problem is his mechanics and his confidence. He’s sailing passes over his receivers heads and for some reason he’s struggling with throwing the ball to the out patterns. Maybe it’s the pressure of knowing if he doesn’t succeed/play top notch quarterback play. The Texans will draft a quarterback in 2023. Pressure has a way of bursting pipes.
 
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vtech9 said:
That's my issue. Mills looks good when Pep opens it up. Just go back and watch the stretch in the Chargers game when Mills brought us back. The problem is when Pep doesn't open it up, Mills looks uncomfortable. Just let the kid play, so we can all see what he is capable of. If Pep keeps on with the conservative playcalling, we may never see what Mills is truly capable of, or vice versa. Whether or not Mills is the guy or not, we won't be able to truly tell if Pep doesn't turn him loose to either sink or swim. Take the damned floaties off. Then we'll be able to see if Mills can be the guy or if he really does suck.
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I'm thinking the issue is Pep is carrying out Lovie's wishes.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I don’t think it has anything to do with the offense. Remember he ran this in college. The major problem is his mechanics and his confidence. He’s sailing passes over his receivers heads and for some reason he’s struggling with throwing the ball to the out patterns. Maybe it’s the pressure of knowing if he doesn’t succeed/play top notch quarterback play. The Texans will draft a quarterback in 2023. Pressure has away not bursting pipes.
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Which is weird because he wasn't having issues throwing the ball outside the numbers last year.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I don’t think it has anything to do with the offense. Remember he ran this in college. The major problem is his mechanics and his confidence. He’s sailing passes over his receivers heads and for some reason he’s struggling with throwing the ball to the out patterns. Maybe it’s the pressure of knowing if he doesn’t succeed/play top notch quarterback play. The Texans will draft a quarterback in 2023. Pressure has away not bursting pipes.
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I've wondered if Pep is trying to change Mills' mechanics. If so, that could be what is throwing Mills off. With the plays slowed down, maybe Mills is thinking about it too much. When we go more up-tempo, Mills just reacts, and seems to play much better.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I don’t think it has anything to do with the offense. Remember he ran this in college. The major problem is his mechanics and his confidence. He’s sailing passes over his receivers heads and for some reason he’s struggling with throwing the ball to the out patterns. Maybe it’s the pressure of knowing if he doesn’t succeed/play top notch quarterback play. The Texans will draft a quarterback in 2023. Pressure has away not bursting pipes.
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When Pep has upped his tempo Mills hasn't looked horrible hitting his outside passes. I know we're looking for more consistency on those throws and I'm guessing the consistency will come at some point this season. I'd like to see the TE's attacking the seams a bit more than than they do. Texans got to get defenses out of stacking the box and this would really help take some pressure off Mills.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
When Pep has upped his tempo Mills hasn't looked horrible hitting his outside passes. I know we're looking for more consistency on those throws and I'm guessing the consistency will come at some point this season. I'd like to see the TE's attacking the seams a bit more than than they do. Texans got to get defenses out of stacking the box and this would really help take some pressure off Mills.
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I’ve seen him hit only a few of those out patterns in uptempo. But he’s missed quite a few of those as well in uptempo.

I don’t know why Pep isn’t attacking the seam more often. Or is it Mills just not going through his pre snap correctly and recognizing the seam is open.
Opt is pretty hard to tell with this offense.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I’ve seen him hit only a few of those out patterns in uptempo. But he’s missed quite a few of those as well in uptempo.

I don’t know why Pep isn’t attacking the seam more often. Or is it Mills just not going through his pre snap correctly and recognizing the seam is open.
Opt is pretty hard to tell with this offense.
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I’m really hoping they worked on some of these issues during the bye week, especially with the upcoming schedule.
 
i hope this frenetic, error ridden offense has emerged because Lovie, Pep, or someone decided that we would, with our new, young back .... prove to himself and everyone else, that we can be a dominant - 3 yards and a cloud of dust - a juggernaut ! I too, liked Mills on the move, buying time and creating plays. Excellence at this "drive it down their throats" scheme will require greater talent on the line .... and probably another good powerback !
 
SeriousShizzle said:
Mills is highly INACCURATE and highly LATE with his short passes. It blows my mind how he is a starter!!!!! Its over for the man. Drive him to the nearest Mc'Donalds and let him flip burgers. :D


Oh yeah he can "FIX IT"....... neh same on all 4 games and last season too.
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yup. He is never going to lead this or any team to the promised land. At best he lands on a team with a dominant defense and enough weapons to where he is along for the ride.
 
Porky said:
yup. He is never going to lead this or any team to the promised land. At best he lands on a team with a dominant defense and enough weapons to where he is along for the ride.
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You can determine this after 16 games?

Please tell us who the next great QB in the next 2 drafts are going to be. How long are you willing to give these QBs before you come to the same conclusion you've come to with Mills?

Does a QB being a 1st rd pick make that big of a difference in your mind, where you give the new QB more leeway?
 
steelbtexan said:
You can determine this after 16 games?

Please tell us who the next great QB in the next 2 drafts are going to be. How long are you willing to give these QBs before you come to the same conclusion you've come to with Mills?

Does a QB being a 1st rd pick make that big of a difference in your mind, where you give the new QB more leeway?
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Well of course you can. You do it all the time with your draft prediction.
 
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