All encompassing 2022 draft thoughts thread

[CloakNNNdagger]

I cannot understand why salyer is projecting to third round. Any ideas?

In the 2019 offseason, he suffered a foot injury which was treated conservatively in a boot. Last year, he missed 4 games (after playing through it the week prior) with an disclosed "foot injury" which did not require surgery. From what I understand, he was dealing with a Grade I lisfranc. Although I don't know for sure, his 2019 injury was likely the same. These can "heal" but are definite risk for re-injury. An OG which is expected to push off constantly against heavy resistance may not fare too well with this history.

[I find it strange that none of the Draft Analyses/Profiles mention the above]

 

[TexansFan15]

There’s a lot of smoke screens going on about who we will pick. Just read an article that said that Lovie is in love with Walker. I would not approve of him as our #3 selection. I hope it’s just a smokescreen.

 

[TheRealJoker]

There’s a lot of smoke screens going on about who we will pick. Just read an article that said that Lovie is in love with Walker. I would not approve of him as our #3 selection. I hope it’s just a smokescreen.

I just read Lovie tried to get Deangelo Malone to transfer from Western Kentucky but he opted to stay. Would be a round 3-4 edge rusher target.

 

[badboy]

In the 2019 offseason, he suffered a foot injury which was treated conservatively in a boot. Last year, he missed 4 games (after playing through it the week prior) with an disclosed "foot injury" which did not require surgery. From what I understand, he was dealing with a Grade I lisfranc. Although I don't know for sure, his 2019 injury was likely the same. These can "heal" but are definite risk for re-injury. An OG which is expected to push off constantly against heavy resistance may not fare too well with this history.

[I find it strange that none of the Draft Analyses/Profiles mention the above]

First I've heard of this. Thanks Doc.

 

[take6]

As most of us know, this is a great draft on the defense - especially the first round.
There are three top flight Edge/DE type guys that could go in the top ten:-
Kayvon Thibadeaux
Aiden Hutchinson
George Karlaftis.
Drake Jackson and Adam Anderson are in the back end of R1.
David Ojabo could easily get into R1.
The Defensive backfield is well stocked with guys like these:-
Kyler Gordon CB
Derek Stingley CB
Kyle Hamilton S
Andrew Booth Jr. CB
Ahmed Gardner CB
Jalen Catalon S
Trent McDuffie CB
Martin Emerson CB.
Kaiir Elam CB, Roger McCreary CB and Daxton Hill S could easily slide up into R1.
Then you have two quality ILB's:-
Devon Lloyd LB
Nakobe Dean LB

On the Offensive side, there are some very good OL:-
Evan Neal OT
Tyler Linderbaum C
Kenyon Green OG
Charles Cross OT
Trevor Penning OT
Nicholas Petit-Frere OT
Ikem Ekwonu OG
Zion Johnson OG
And yes, the bottom few could easily go in the first or be very desirable commodities in the second.
WR's are an interesting bunch:-
Garrett Wilson
Chris Olave
Drake London
Jahan Dotson
David Bell.
TE's - nothing sensational here like in recent drafts:-
Trey McBride will be lower R1.
RB's also nothing super duper like a Barkley:-
Breece Hall
Kyren Williams
Isaiah Spiller
Kenneth Walker III.
I doubt a RB goes in R1 this draft.
My pick of this group would be Walker. If you can get him top of the 3rd or late 2nd, he will be good value there.
I'll open it up.
Yes, I deliberately left out QB.

I to would like to see the texans draft a running back like walker in the second or 3 rd round. Go texans

 

[take6]

I hope NC trades down multiple times for multple picks

We could use that pick from them to grab another great player

 

[badboy]

I just read Lovie tried to get Deangelo Malone to transfer from Western Kentucky but he opted to stay. Would be a round 3-4 edge rusher target.

Not sure what you mean about transferring but player chose to stay?
He is a 5th year senior with no obvious red shirt as he played most of the games each year.

 

[badboy]

I to would like to see the texans draft a running back like walker in the second or 3 rd round. Go texans

Thor Nystrom had a mock you would like:

3 Hutchinson 13 Charles Cross 37
Breece Hall. I want corner and a safety but I would take those three and try to trade back into round two for those.
He ranks Daxton Hill, McCreary and Brisker much lower than most.
I heard him on 610 this morning explaining why Lions and if not them, Texans should take Malik Willis at 3. Said Willis was the best quarterback he has seen since Young.

Mock Draft 5.0: Thor's final 2-round mock

With the NFL Draft officially upon us, Thor Nystrom drops his final 2-round mock draft of the process (Dale Zanine-USA TODAY Sports)

sports.yahoo.com

 

[steelbtexan]

The only thing which seems to make sense is positional ranking. I just subscribed to OurLads and they pretty much agree with my other source. Two OG's carry a 1st round ranking, then no one in the 2nd. Then in the 3rd, Salyer ranks 3rd/4th.

Some negatives: lack of speed and quickness, top heavy, lack of natural bend, inaccurate hands, lacks athleticism, not good in space on the second level.

He was a difference maker against Alabama when they moved him to rg from lt in the NC game.

 

[TheRealJoker]

Not sure what you mean about transferring but player chose to stay?
He is a 5th year senior with no obvious red shirt as he played most of the games each year.

NFL Draft News and Rumors 2.0: George Karlaftis, DeAngelo Malone, Marquis Hayes updates, and more

The 2022 NFL Draft is just a day away, and the news and rumors are flying around the league. Here is the latest we are hearing.

www.profootballnetwork.com

“ Malone considered transferring to Illinois to play for current Texans coach Lovie Smith before deciding to stay at Western Kentucky. Smith wanted him to join him at Illinois. Now, their paths could potentially cross again.”

 

[TheRealJoker]

Latest NFL Draft odds. Stingley is now the betting favorite for pick 3:

2025 NFL Draft Odds | Draft Betting Odds & Props

2025 NFL Draft Betting Odds, Prop Bets, Teams to Draft Odds and much more on the event at Green Bay's Lambeau Field, from VI senior reporter Patrick Everson.

www.vegasinsider.com

Derek Stingley, Jr. +200
Ikem Ekwonu +350
Ahmad Gardner +400
Travon Walker +425
Kayvon Thibodeaux +450
Evan Neal +1000
Aidan Hutchinson +1000
Charles Cross +1000
Garrett Wilson +2500
Jermaine Johnson II +5000
Kyle Hamilton +5000
Malik Willis +5000
Kenny Pickett +5000
Drake London +10000
Nakobe Dean +10000
Sam Howell +10000
Desmond Ridder +10000
Chris Olave +10000
Jordan Davis +10000
Trevor Penning +10000
George Karlaftis +10000
Matt Corral +10000
Zion Johnson +20000
Carson Strong +20000
Kalir Elam +20000
Tyler Linderbaum +20000
Jameson Williams +20000
DeMarvin Leal +20000
Kenny Green +20000

 

[TheRealJoker]

Interesting take on this site… if I were a betting man still I would be all over the Kyle Hamilton odds:

2022 NFL DRAFT - FIRST SAFETY PICK ODDS
Dax Hill -175
Lewis Cine +200
Jaquan Brisker +600
Jalen Pitre +650
Kyle Hamilton +1600
Nick Cross +5000
Bryan Cook +5000
Tycen Anderson +7500
Kerby Joseph +7500
Yusuf Corker +10000
Smoke Monday +10000
J.T. Woods +10000
Juanyeh Thomas +10000
Delarrin Turner-Yell +10000
Quentin Lake +10000
Leon O'Neal +10000
Percy Butler +10000
Nolan Turner +10000
Brad Hawkins +10000
Dane Belton +10000
Scott Nelson +10000
Reed Blankenship +10000
Verone McKinley +10000
Qwynnterrio Cole +15000
Joey Blount +15000
Markquese Bell +15000
Kolby Harvell-Peel +15000
Bubba Bolden +15000
Jack Koerner +15000
Chris Moore +15000
Tristin McCollum +15000

 

[IDEXAN]

Why some NFL teams regard LSU standout Derek Stingley Jr. as CB1

Multiple NFL executives and scouts are enamored with Derek Stingley's skills. Will it be enough for him to be CB1 in the NFL Draft?

www.profootballnetwork.com

, and what does the team think about the injuries?’ I’ve been in eight draft rooms before with (Texans coach) Lovie Smith, and Lovie is a pure traits guy.

“Lovie is huge on ball skills, getting interceptions. A corner like Stingley that can pick the football off on a consistent basis is extremely valuable for Lovie’s defense. I like Gardner, too. One assistant director I talked with thinks that Gardner is overrated, but I think he just likes Stingley better. Knowing Lovie the way I do, I think he’s going to look at Gardner much like a (retired Bears corner) Peanut Tillman. I think Gardner is worthy of the pick, as is Stingley. Both these guys are going to be quality pros.””

Latest NFL Draft odds. Stingley is now the betting favorite for pick 3:

2025 NFL Draft Odds | Draft Betting Odds & Props

2025 NFL Draft Betting Odds, Prop Bets, Teams to Draft Odds and much more on the event at Green Bay's Lambeau Field, from VI senior reporter Patrick Everson.

www.vegasinsider.com

Derek Stingley, Jr. +200
Ikem Ekwonu +350
Ahmad Gardner +400
Travon Walker +425
Kayvon Thibodeaux +450
Evan Neal +1000
Aidan Hutchinson +1000
Charles Cross +1000
Garrett Wilson +2500
Jermaine Johnson II +5000
Kyle Hamilton +5000
Malik Willis +5000
Kenny Pickett +5000
Drake London +10000
Nakobe Dean +10000
Sam Howell +10000
Desmond Ridder +10000
Chris Olave +10000
Jordan Davis +10000
Trevor Penning +10000
George Karlaftis +10000
Matt Corral +10000
Zion Johnson +20000
Carson Strong +20000
Kalir Elam +20000
Tyler Linderbaum +20000
Jameson Williams +20000
DeMarvin Leal +20000
Kenny Green +20000

I dunno when did Stingley replace Sauce as our fav CB prospect, let alone become "THE" fav for our #3 pick ?
Very skeptical here, not buying it !

 

[Thorn]

As long as they take an o-linemen at 3 or 13 I will probably be good with this draft. If they don't take an o-lineman in the 1st round, I'll probably not like it. Just have to wait and see I guess.

 

[Jack Burton]

I dunno when did Stingley replace Sauce as our fav CB prospect, let alone become "THE" fav for our #3 pick ?
Very skeptical here, not buying it !

He’s every bit as good as Sauce it’s just the Lisfranc that had folks concerned.

 

[wildroot]

I think we have to go Skill position at 3, that would point to CB. It needs to be Sauce in that case, don't want no one that high that has any hint of an injury "issue". We can still pickup an elite O-lineman at 13. I'd like Breece hall at 37. Then fill holes the rest of the way, I wouldn't mind talking Tariq Woolen on day 2, he could develop into something special with some solid coaching.

 

[Jack Burton]

I think we have to go Skill position at 3, that would point to CB. It needs to be Sauce in that case, don't want no one that high that has any hint of an injury "issue". We can still pickup an elite O-lineman at 13. I'd like Breece hall at 37. Then fill holes the rest of the way, I wouldn't mind talking Tariq Woolen on day 2, he could develop into something special with some good good coaching.

Stingley ran a 4.37 40-yard dash at LSU’s Pro Day. There, he also had a 38.5-inch vertical leap and a 10’2″ broad jump, displaying his explosiveness.

Why some NFL teams regard LSU standout Derek Stingley Jr. as CB1

Multiple NFL executives and scouts are enamored with Derek Stingley's skills. Will it be enough for him to be CB1 in the NFL Draft?

www.profootballnetwork.com

 

[zshawn10]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519654294475075584

3. Houston Texans: Derek Stingley, CB, LSU

Several positions are possible for Houston at this pick. There is plenty of noise around the league for offensive tackle here. But the Texans have done a lot of work on Cincinnati’s Sauce Gardner and LSU’s Derek Stingley, and Lovie Smith has been transparent about his desire to get better at the position.



13. Houston Texans: Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State
The Texans have done plenty of work on Wilson — so much so that I had one league source say they might consider him at No. 3 overall. That would be a surprise, but he would be a steal at No. 13.

 

[banned1976]

Give me UH players Logan Hall and Marcus Jones and I'll be happy. Jones is a weapon that can be used in all three major categories - offense, defense and special teams. He's an elite punt returner, he's a slot corner and he can play slot receiver. I think he's going to go much earlier than expected.

I'm honestly more interested in rounds 2-5 than I am round 1.

 

[wildroot]

Stingley ran a 4.37 40-yard dash at LSU’s Pro Day. There, he also had a 38.5-inch vertical leap and a 10’2″ broad jump, displaying his explosiveness.

Why some NFL teams regard LSU standout Derek Stingley Jr. as CB1

Multiple NFL executives and scouts are enamored with Derek Stingley's skills. Will it be enough for him to be CB1 in the NFL Draft?

www.profootballnetwork.com

I'm not doubting his skills, that lisfrank is a red flag though. My opinion only, but I don't feel like there should be any red flags associated with the #3 overall pick, especially an injury of this nature.
Caserio's gonna make the picks and he's going to have to live or die by them. I wish the man well and hope he hits it outta the park over the next few days. But if he takes a player with a known Lisfrank injury history, and from I've seen, the recovery rate/results have been less than stellar. Also his accolades for the most part are based on his Freshman year, which some would say is another red flag. But he's gonna hear it in spades if this guy doesn't pan out, especially with a healthy Sauce Gardner staring him in the face.

 

[zshawn10]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519640130998349825

Interesting note from Peter

"Earlier this week, I heard from folks around the league that Derek Stingley Jr. could be the pick. Now the winds have changed direction to Ickey. "

 

[Texansphan]

Stingley ran a 4.37 40-yard dash at LSU’s Pro Day. There, he also had a 38.5-inch vertical leap and a 10’2″ broad jump, displaying his explosiveness.

Why some NFL teams regard LSU standout Derek Stingley Jr. as CB1

Multiple NFL executives and scouts are enamored with Derek Stingley's skills. Will it be enough for him to be CB1 in the NFL Draft?

www.profootballnetwork.com

The skill positions are the most valuable, however, one good Oline man can improve the whole side of the line he is on at Guard - meaning the passing and the ground game. The chance to improve the whole offense with one addition has to be a major consideration for NC.

 

[ghostlight]

I'm not doubting his skills, that lisfrank is a red flag though. My opinion only, but I don't feel like there should be any red flags associated with the #3 overall pick, especially one of this nature.

a #3 should be clear of any concerns

 

[Texansphan]

a #3 should be clear of any concerns

Apparently he had a great pro day - seemingly clear of any injury concerns - ran a 4:37 and strong performances at other disciplines.

 

[banned1976]

Thoughts on this hypothetical?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519311853108801539

 

[ghostlight]

tonight is stage time and we all will in one collective shout when #3 has donned his cap

 

[Texansballer74]

Thoughts on this hypothetical?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519311853108801539

Heck no

 

[Texansphan]

Heck no

Texans could use one of those late picks to move #13 up the board.
Three first rounders next year will buy you a top QB next year if Mills ain't it.

 

[wildroot]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519640130998349825

Interesting note from Peter

"Earlier this week, I heard from folks around the league that Derek Stingley Jr. could be the pick. Now the winds have changed direction to Ickey. "

The talent level drops off at a much greater degree choosing a CB at 13 as opposed to an O-Lineman at 13. I'd take the CB at 3. JMO.

 

[Texansballer74]

Texans could use one of those late picks to move #13 up the board.
Three first rounders next year will buy you a top QB next year if Mills ain't it.

I would hope they will give Mills more than a year. We’ve already been through that quarterback roller coaster ride.

 

[Dejaview]

Apparently he had a great pro day - seemingly clear of any injury concerns - ran a 4:37 and strong performances at other disciplines.

what would bother me taking him at three would involve what NC calls the horizontal draft. I think the cream of the big guys on the OL and DL will be gone by 13 and those positions become more problematic to draft yet we need them for an inside-out rebuild.

 

[Dejaview]

The talent level drops off at a much greater degree choosing a CB at 13 as opposed to an O-Lineman at 13. I'd take the CB at 3. JMO.

I understand your point but we can’t afford any health concerns at 3.

 

[Texansphan]

I would hope they will give Mills more than a year. We’ve already been through that quarterback roller coaster ride.

We should have a much clearer picture after season 2.
Keep in mind #29 + #13 could buy you Giants #5.

 

[Jack Burton]

I'm not doubting his skills, that lisfrank is a red flag though. My opinion only, but I don't feel like there should be any red flags associated with the #3 overall pick, especially an injury of this nature.
Caserio's gonna make the picks and he's going to have to live or die by them. I wish the man well and hope he hits it outta the park over the next few days. But if he takes a player with a known Lisfrank injury history, and from I've seen, the recovery rate/results have been less than stellar. Also his accolades for the most part are based on his Freshman year, which some would say is another red flag. But he's gonna hear it in spades if this guy doesn't pan out, especially with a healthy Sauce Gardner staring him in the face.

You don’t have to sell me on the Sauce. I’m down. But I can see why they would take Stingley.
Buckle up folks. It might get bumpy.…

 

[wildroot]

I would hope they will give Mills more than a year. We’ve already been through that quarterback roller coaster ride.

Agreed, some of the top QBs didn't blossom until their 3rd OR 4th year! Can you imagine giving up on Brees after his 3rd year? He was picked #32 in the 2nd round. About as close as you can get to the 3rd where Mills was picked.

 

[banned1976]

Thoughts on this hypothetical?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519311853108801539

I just mocked it...



I would do it because I'm not sold on any position or player at #3. There's no one anticipated to be available that I feel is a slam-dunk. The only people that seem really excited about the #3 overall and wouldn't budge for anything are those that are in love with Gardner. But CB is one of the deepest groups in this draft. I don't feel that the drop-off from Gardner to McDuffie is bigger than three first round picks. I'd rather have three 1st round picks in this draft and the next. I'd have the leverage to move up to #1 with three picks and whereas this year there's no overwhelming #1 overall pick, next year there might be and three #1's might be enough to move up to #1 overall.

Make it happen, Nck.

 

[Dejaview]

The NFL Draft Kickoff needs to be renamed the NY Jets and Giants draft kickoff. It’s almost unwatchable.

 

[beerlover]

I don't know who are Zierlein's sources. Just know that Lance has been at this a very long time, and has sources spread around the league.

This is my sense as well, he is connected. If it were up to him, he’s OL guy, so believe defensive player legit, but Jaq’s maybe trying to extract a pick swap with Detroit for Hutchinson.

 

[beerlover]

In the 2019 offseason, he suffered a foot injury which was treated conservatively in a boot. Last year, he missed 4 games (after playing through it the week prior) with an disclosed "foot injury" which did not require surgery. From what I understand, he was dealing with a Grade I lisfranc. Although I don't know for sure, his 2019 injury was likely the same. These can "heal" but are definite risk for re-injury. An OG which is expected to push off constantly against heavy resistance may not fare too well with this history.

[I find it strange that none of the Draft Analyses/Profiles mention the above]

They focus too much on how they look and sound rather than medicals.

 

[Texansballer74]

Texans could use one of those late picks to move #13 up the board.
Three first rounders next year will buy you a top QB next year if Mills ain't it.

True that. I just don’t see that happening

 

[TexansFan15]

I’ve heard that teams are lower on Neal because of health issues, but I haven’t been able to find what specific issue. Does anyone know if there is any legitimacy to this?

 

[Jack Burton]

I’ve heard that teams are lower on Neal because of health issues, but I haven’t been able to find what specific issue. Does anyone know if there is any legitimacy to this?

i think Steel posted he has degenerate knee and hip issues that over time will affect him.

 

[TexansFan15]

i think Steel posted he has degenerate knee and hip issues that over time will affect him.

Thanks! There’s so much to weed through in the draft threads that I missed it.

 

[Texansphan]

True that. I just don’t see that happening

Carstereo is a hard read, but, he has said #3 is open for business.
If he is not sold on who is left #3, he may well move back to the bottom - and have another first rounder, or trade back up to 5,6,7 range.

 

[Texansballer74]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519711149029302272

 

[Texansphan]

A lot of last minute rumors this year.
Difficult to get a read on Texans now.
Skill positions make sense as does building the trenches.

 

[badboy]

Latest NFL Draft odds. Stingley is now the betting favorite for pick 3:

2025 NFL Draft Odds | Draft Betting Odds & Props

2025 NFL Draft Betting Odds, Prop Bets, Teams to Draft Odds and much more on the event at Green Bay's Lambeau Field, from VI senior reporter Patrick Everson.

www.vegasinsider.com

Derek Stingley, Jr. +200
Ikem Ekwonu +350
Ahmad Gardner +400
Travon Walker +425
Kayvon Thibodeaux +450
Evan Neal +1000
Aidan Hutchinson +1000
Charles Cross +1000
Garrett Wilson +2500
Jermaine Johnson II +5000
Kyle Hamilton +5000
Malik Willis +5000
Kenny Pickett +5000
Drake London +10000
Nakobe Dean +10000
Sam Howell +10000
Desmond Ridder +10000
Chris Olave +10000
Jordan Davis +10000
Trevor Penning +10000
George Karlaftis +10000
Matt Corral +10000
Zion Johnson +20000
Carson Strong +20000
Kalir Elam +20000
Tyler Linderbaum +20000
Jameson Williams +20000
DeMarvin Leal +20000
Kenny Green +20000

do not get ignoring stingleys injury

 

[badboy]

He’s every bit as good as Sauce it’s just the Lisfranc that had folks concerned.

dead even--- except for that production thinggy---

 

[Thorn]

do not get ignoring stingleys injury

If he has a history of injuries, somehow and at some point he'll end up playing for the Texans whether we draft him or not. LOL

 

[badboy]

The skill positions are the most valuable, however, one good Oline man can improve the whole side of the line he is on at Guard - meaning the passing and the ground game. The chance to improve the whole offense with one addition has to be a major consideration for NC.

i consider left tackle a skill position.