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badboy said:
No ALL of us will be surprised...
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Honestly, while I don't think it would happen. I would not be dumb struck. The old saying "That's why they play the game" comes to mind. Can they get enough to win enough to get lucky a few times to reach the SB? Sure. Can they win it, sure. Can Mills be MVP? Sure. For 3 reasons on the last one.
1- Toss for 250+ with 2TDs and an INT
2- Complete a high % of your passes (he is at 68.8% currently)
3- 2 parter Lead the team from behind to win OR Play with poise and control the game.

All of it can happen. If a B- QB like Jake Delhome can make a SB or Kurt Warner can be bagging you merchandise and the store to SB winner and MVP as fast as he did...anything could happen.
 
With the Russell Wilson trade to Denver and the AFC West QB's now consisting of Mahomes, Herbert, Wilson and Derek Carr, does Las Vegas Raiders and Josh McDaniels now become players for DW4?

#22, #54, #86; 1st and 2nd in 2023; 1st and 3rd in 2024; Maxx Crosby, Tre'von Moering???
 
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Mr teX said:
not to mention the eagles have experience in taking on a player with a bad public image stemming from some bad off the field trangressions (Vick).
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The Eagles have experience in taking on a fan base with a bad public image stemming from some bad off the field trangressions. Watson should do great there......with just a bit armor added to his uniform and a couple of assigned body guards for when he has some of his less than stellar performances..........
 
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Number19 said:
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McClain continues to talk about the trades that should have been made in the past...........when there was never a formal offer made for Watson..........EVER.

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Texas Sports Nation // Brian T. Smith
Smith: Texans running out of trade options for Deshaun Watson
Brian T. Smith, Staff writer
March 8, 2022Updated: March 8, 2022 6:03 p.m.


Miami has insisted that it is not trading for Deshaun Watson.

The New York Giants have done the same.

Denver joined the anti-Watson club on Tuesday, stunning the NFL by agreeing to a blockbuster trade that will soon make Russell Wilson a Bronco.

So much for Monday's slow news day.

Twenty-four hours later, the NFL's quarterback carousel wildly spun again. Aaron Rodgers finally silenced his self-created drama by agreeing to a new record-setting contract with Green Bay. A couple hours later, the huge Rodgers news became old news when Wilson — who has been at the center of trade rumors for more than a year — was officially linked with the once QB-needy Broncos.

The same Denver franchise that was repeatedly linked to Watson in the past year.

I wrote a few weeks ago that the Texans needed to trade their former franchise QB ASAP, echoing a statement made by newly promoted Texans head coach Lovie Smith.

Since then, Miami has publicly taken itself out of the Watson market and Denver has landed a franchise QB who is still one of the best in the game when he's on a good team.

Some will tell you that Watson hasn't been traded because the Texans have never been able to make a deal.

There's two sides to that story.

The Texans have also insisted for more than a year that they receive top dollar for Watson, despite the fact that he's facing 22 civil lawsuits and is still dealing with multiple investigations into sexual assault and misconduct.

Could Watson have been traded last season, at multiple points, if the Texans had lowered their asking price a little — or were more realistic during the early months of Watson's hardline me-versus-the-Texans stance?

Without a doubt. At one point, the Texans were still trying to convince Watson that he should stick with them and buy into their new culture.

As long as Nick Caserio and Co. eventually receive the same value for Watson that they could have obtained last season, the organization will be able to sell that it "won" the Watson trade. And Caserio must get this blockbuster right, because a rebuilding franchise can reset its entire roster with the lofty draft picks that a departed Watson will theoretically bring to Houston.

But after all this time — all the news, analysis, rumors, speculation, stories, theories, gibberish and nonsense — Watson is still a Texan and several key teams at the heart of daily Watson rumors have officially moved on.

It just takes one trade partner to tango. Hello, Carolina?

Seattle? The team that just traded Wilson suddenly needs a new starting QB and it's hard to imagine a 70-year-old Pete Carroll greenlighting an instant rebuild.

But remember when it was the New York Jets?

Definitely the Jets. The Jets were a perfect partner and an ideal landing place for Watson.

Remember when it was the Giants?

The Dolphins? There was day after day of Watson speculation, with former head coach Brian Flores being forced to answer the speculation and Tua Tagovailoa caught in the messy middle of it all. Now, Miami has moved on to Mike McDaniel and the new HC believes in Tagovailoa, not Watson.

The Broncos? All the local and national stories promoting Watson as a Bronco; social media flooded with photoshopped images of Watson in Denver orange.

Denver answered it all by trading for a real, available, trusted franchise QB in Wilson.

Caserio has consistently said the same thing by not really saying anything. Smith has already bounced between being adamant that he wants the Watson question resolved ASAP and letting time do its slow, sweet thing.

I heard Watson's name linked with Denver several times on Tuesday morning. By 1 p.m., Wilson was a Bronco and the Texans had lost another possible trade partner.

While the Texans keep waiting and waiting and waiting, we've been reminded of a simple fact for 14 months: The NFL waits for no one.
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I'm praying that Seattle isn't desperate enough to swap all those picks we just got for Wilson into a trade for Watson. Don't get me wrong, the young man has talent. However, Seattle fans won't be keen on his particular brand of baggage. Best to send him to Philly.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The Eagles have experience in taking on a fan base with a bad public image stemming from some bad off the field trangressions. Watson should do great there......with just a bit armor added to his uniform and a couple of assigned body guards for when he has some of his less than stellar performances..........
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You might want to imagine how the stadium would erupt when he launches a 50 yard TD strike to his receiver, in stride, while getting knocked to the ground. Also, the Eagles defense may be able to hold the leads given to them far better than the Texans defense did.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
You might want to imagine how the stadium would erupt when he launches a 50 yard TD strike to his receiver, in stride, while getting knocked to the ground. Also, the Eagles defense may be able to hold the leads given to them far better than the Texans defense did.
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Hurts has played pretty good for them that’s why I don’t believe in this rumors. Why take a chance on the quitter when you can continue build on Hurts production from last season.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
You might want to imagine how the stadium would erupt when he launches a 50 yard TD strike to his receiver, in stride, while getting knocked to the ground. Also, the Eagles defense may be able to hold the leads given to them far better than the Texans defense did.
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One bad game the boo birds will be out. He can’t handle Philly. He is already blocking random people on twitter for criticism.
 
badboy said:
Someone in draft land does not have to be better just very close to Tunsil such as Charles Cross who we could get with a trade down pick, save millions and control for five seasons in comparison for only 3 with Laremy. We would also get a guy who wants to be here as LT seems to have doubts. I am not pushing a Mills trade as I like him however depends on what is offered for him. Let's not get too excited about how well we are doing in 22 win column.
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I've been here through all the wishing/wanting for a good LT the last few years. We finally got one and now we think it a good idea to get rid of him?

I'd rather keep him, draft Cross and make the trade next year if Cross looks like the real deal. What's the hurry?

We are fixing to find out exactly what Caserios mind set is. I'm optimistic.

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This is without really knowing their cap situations, and more on need and fit, or even whether DW4 would waive the NT clause for, but...

I see the top 3 potential spots as Carolina, Washington and Seattle.

Second tier is Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Tampa. (I think Tampa may have cap issues)

Then there are a small handful of longshots that can't be entirely ruled out - NYG or Miami could get back into it, or you've got teams like Minn, LV Raiders, Chicago and Cleveland that could be eying an upgrade.

Apparently, this Friday the GJ convenes. I think we'll know by next week whether he is no-billed. If NB - it's on like donkey kong. If he is indicted, it's over as far as 2022 and possibly completely over depending on how it all plays out.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
One bad game the boo birds will be out. He can’t handle Philly. He is already blocking random people on twitter for criticism.
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C'mon man!!!! Are you saying Watson never handled Texans fans booing after a bad game? If I remember right, Watson could put a bad game behind him with the best of them, then focus on the next game. Philly fans would be plenty happy to have Watson as their QB1....once he's ready to play.

Again, no one knows for sure what's going to transpire in the upcoming weeks but at some point and time Watson will see an NFL football field....just depends on if the Texans still holds his rights or if he's an UFA looking for a new team.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
C'mon man!!!! Are you saying Watson never handled Texans fans booing after a bad game? If I remember right, Watson could put a bad game behind him with the best of them, then focus on the next game. Philly fans would be plenty happy to have Watson as their QB1....once he's ready to play.

Again, no one knows for sure what's going to transpire in the upcoming weeks but at some point and time Watson will see an NFL football field....just depends on if the Texans still holds his rights or if he's an UFA looking for a new team.
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Don't you remember the time, Watson was getting heckled and when he was walking to the locker room, he lost his composure and yelled, "You sucked too. MF"? Wait...That was the wrong guy.
 
All this speculation. is anyone reporting on where Watson says he’d accept A trade to Now? Has that team been linked with even Wanting to trade for him? What if he was traded last year for less than what the Texans originally wanted and before his problems were exposed? How many would be screaming bloody murder that the Texans got screwed again. Surely the Texans or at least some of their players knew about his lifestyle even if they may not have known about the details and the extent of them. Coming out so soon after a trade, couldnt the trade be nullified by the NFL or would the Texans have been sued for not coming forth with this information? What if they did and that is why no trade was consummated. What if the NFL had other issues with Watson demanding a trade after his extension and told the Texans to hold off? I don’t think trading the guy was EVER as simple as people think. There are just way too many questions that can’t be discussed until all the evidence and other details are known. Just my take.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The Eagles have experience in taking on a fan base with a bad public image stemming from some bad off the field trangressions. Watson should do great there......with just a bit armor added to his uniform and a couple of assigned body guards for when he has some of his less than stellar performances..........
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Right. The second he does all the horrible things on the field he's constantly called out for by the mensas here, Philly fan will be all in his ass. No pun intended.
 
Speedy said:
Right. The second he does all the horrible things on the field he's constantly called out for by the mensas here, Philly fan will be all in his ass. No pun intended.
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I guess you never noticed how when things don't go so well, he goes to the bench and sits alone sulking. Tends to not make me feel that as a leader, he sets a great example.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Mad that another team said no to Watson?
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Lol so you stalking my posts now?

Anyone who knows anything about the game knows Wentz is trash and its just a matter of time...a very short time that Washington will be back in the market for a qb..that is unless they take 1 in this upcoming draft. See unlike you, every post i make and my life in general isn't consumed with what happens with DW4.

Clearly, you're upset that this kid will eventually get his chance to move on from all this & play a game for millions of dollars again. You should seriously seek some professional help
 
djohn2oo8 said:
One bad game the boo birds will be out. He can’t handle Philly. He is already blocking random people on twitter for criticism.
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I said it before when this came out…
Dude has been coddled all his football life because he’s been the best on the field 90% of the time. He always got “taken care of”.
Now he sounds like a little, whiny entitled jerk off. He can’t take the heat, get out the kitchen my man!
 
austins23 said:
I said it before when this came out…
Dude has been coddled all his football life because he’s been the best on the field 90% of the time. He always got “taken care of”.
Now he sounds like a little, whiny entitled jerk off. He can’t take the heat, get out the kitchen my man!
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signed, 99% of pro athletes.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
You might want to imagine how the stadium would erupt when he launches a 50 yard TD strike to his receiver, in stride, while getting knocked to the ground. Also, the Eagles defense may be able to hold the leads given to them far better than the Texans defense did.
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It will take less imagination for me to contemplate the other.
 
cuppacoffee said:
I've been here through all the wishing/wanting for a good LT the last few years. We finally got one and now we think it a good idea to get rid of him?

I'd rather keep him, draft Cross and make the trade next year if Cross looks like the real deal. What's the hurry?

We are fixing to find out exactly what Caserios mind set is. I'm optimistic.

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You should refresh your memory as since 2008 except for 2017 and 2018 we've had very good left tackles.

You should be a little bit more detailed with your thoughts as in what left tackles could be available in the draft in 2023 that we could select? You don't know? Correct no one does.
What teams in 2023 will be looking for a left tackle like Tunsil and can afford him? There are only two in my opinion this year. Dolphins and Bengals.

I am not against keeping Tunsil but there 3 possible options for the future in draft Neal, Cross and Ekwonu. 4th option going with Howard. Negatives exist for each.

You seem to be focusing only on LT not team roster. Risks with rookies and Howard but also with Tunsil. I can accept a bit more risk if I get a late round one and a two and
$9.5 m savings to bring in a vet FA like Ahkello Witherspoon at corner and or another position.
 
badboy said:
How could the commanders or any NFL team have said no to Watson as you have insisted that no trade could be made? One of your points of you has to be incorrect.
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I said a trade wouldn’t be made because teams are waiting to see about the indictment. I never said a trade was not allowed to happen. So not sure what your point is. Some folks keep talking all these teams as suitors yet more teams keep taking themselves out of it. So essentially saying no to Watson
 
badboy said:
You should refresh your memory as since 2008 except for 2017 and 2018 we've had very good left tackles.

You should be a little bit more detailed with your thoughts as in what left tackles could be available in the draft in 2023 that we could select? You don't know? Correct no one does.
What teams in 2023 will be looking for a left tackle like Tunsil and can afford him? There are only two in my opinion this year. Dolphins and Bengals.

I am not against keeping Tunsil but there 3 possible options for the future in draft Neal, Cross and Ekwonu. 4th option going with Howard. Negatives exist for each.

You seem to be focusing only on LT not team roster. Risks with rookies and Howard but also with Tunsil. I can accept a bit more risk if I get a late round one and a two and
$9.5 m savings to bring in a vet FA like Ahkello Witherspoon at corner and or another position.
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You could get an idea which LT's might be available in the 2023 draft by using Google. I'm all for building the best OL's possible with the least amount of risk possible. That's why I'm on the Keep Tunsil (If he wants to play on Kirby next yr.) draft Neal (Or preferably Walker 1-3 and Green 2-37) and Salyer or Strange in the 3rd. This would solve the run game/pass pro issues. Signing a middling vet like Witherspoon would be OK if it was for far less money than you're talking about.
 
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djohn2oo8 said:
I said a trade wouldn’t be made because teams are waiting to see about the indictment. I never said a trade was not allowed to happen. So not sure what your point is. Some folks keep talking all these teams as suitors yet more teams keep taking themselves out of it. So essentially saying no to Watson
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This is so simple to understand, but it seems to be beyond a few posters comprehension level.
 
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