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What is Laremy Tunsil's worth in a trade?

Texian said:
If you made those 4 to 5 cuts it would save about $14MM in cap space. (Something Caserio sould've done last year, would've saved $58MM last and added $0 dead money this year) but that is 4 to 5 more positions that have to be filled. Now approx 30. You're going to get your biggest cap savings when DeSaun is traded, Approx $18mm. Current space $18MM + $14MM players cut/traded (another $5MM if Cooks is traded) + $18MM trading DW4 will add up to approx $50MM - $55MM in available cap space.
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Lucky said:
What? I'm not advocating anything. I didn't push this $$$ forward. I'm just explaining how the salary cap works. All the money other than Tunsil's salary has been spent. The only thing left is when it shows up on the books. Of the 2021 salary that was pushed forward, half is due this fiscal year, half next fiscal year. If Tunsil is traded by the draft, all of that money that was pushed forward is due this fiscal year. But....the Texans do not have to pay Tunsil's salary.

That's why trading Tunsil opens up some room on the cap. While also increasing the dead cap space. Both things can happen simultaneously.
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We're on the same page, misunderstanding on my part.
 
Number19 said:
This.

Driving back home from breakfast in town, I was thinking this had not been mentioned in the comments about trading down, and was going to mention this point.

Give us another month to see how things shake out on the big boards, but trading back to the 16 range saves a lot on the cap ... and we can still get, hopefully, OG Green and lots of extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Caserio will be earning his salary in this years draft.
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I am pushing a trade down from pick 3 to 9 with Denver. That would bring us pick 40 + 64. I think that Denver would do that deal to get their future quarterback. All indication is Pickett has separated himself from the others. Panthers should want him at 8 do I read a local source in Carolina that insist the team wants offensive tackle. Broncos need to go big to jump ahead of Denver.

Huge value in the second round. This is why I am vocal against future picks if at all possible. What I am looking at in the draft is there are very good safeties, edge and corners in round 2 that allows us to eliminate Hutch, Hamilton, Gardner, Stingley, Etc.

Tackles like Okwonu and Cross don't exist after pick 12 or so. O Guard might be later round one in Green. I am not real strong on Zion Johnson or Jamaree Sawyer. Look at them round 3 at best though I have Johnson going to Bengals at 31.

So.. at 9 I am looking at Icky to LG or if Howard not LT shuffle Icky (pun intended). Or just go Cross the better pure LT but that leaves OG begging. I am willing to gamble for lack of a better word with TH and
Ekwonu.
Tunsil gets late round 1 and a 2 minimum or no trade.
 
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badboy said:
I am pushing a trade down from pick 3 to 9 with Denver. That would bring us pick 40 + 64. I think that Denver would do that deal to get their future quarterback. All indication is Pickett has separated himself from the others. Panthers should want him at 8 do I read a local source in Carolina that insist the team wants offensive tackle. Broncos need to go big to jump ahead of Denver.

Huge value in the second round. This is why I am vocal against future picks if at all possible. What I am looking at in the draft is there are very good safeties, edge and corners in round 2 that allows us to eliminate Hutch, Hamilton, Gardner, Stingley, Etc.

Tackles like Okwonu and Cross don't exist after pick 12 or so. O Guard might be later round one in Green. I am not real strong on Zion Johnson or Jamaree Sawyer. Look at them round 3 at best though I have Johnson going to Bengals at 31.

So.. at 9 I am looking at Icky to LG or if Howard not LT shuffle Icky (pun intended). Or just go Cross the better pure LT but that leaves OG begging. I am willing to gamble for lack of a better word with TH and
Okwonu.
Tunsil gets late round 1 and a 2 minimum or no trade.
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Would love this trade. But I'd remain open to one more trade down to the 12 - 16 spot. And I'd possibly be looking for a trade partner in the 2nd round, but not too far down.

I haven't begun to look at WR's yet. I didn't think the position was a high priority. But if Hamilton is moving the offense to a power run Air Coryell, we need to add a second burner with good hands and size who's not hesitant to block. And I don't know the depth in this draft at the position.
 
vtech9 said:
I assume you guys that are wanting Okwonu or Ikwonu are actually talking about this guy...Ikem Ekwonu OG NC State | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report (nfldraftbuzz.com) . If I'm wrong, please show me the guy you are talking about.
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I believe you are correct, but he was moved to OT this past season and his play there indicated he could handle the position. So, although he has been listed as an OG in the past, he 's now being projected at OT.

But notice, in the profile, it's stated he 's a little short in length for OT. Will need to pay attention at this when he's measured at the combine. Warhop has said he wants an OT to have 34" arms. If we stay at 3, I want him at LG.
 
If we are looking for Tunsil’s replacement in the event of trading him, while looking to satisfy OL Coach, Warhop’s ideal NFL LT….then the Texans shouldn’t hesitate in finding a way to draft, LT- Trevor Penning (Northern Iowa) who’s 6-7 @ 330 lbs, has 34.75” Arms, 10.25” hands, and plays with a nasty demeanor that the new coach would seem to covet. I think Penning is the truest and most complete LT in the 2022 NFL Draft.
 
Number19 said:
I believe you are correct, but he was moved to OT this past season and his play there indicated he could handle the position. So, although he has been listed as an OG in the past, he 's now being projected at OT.

But notice, in the profile, it's stated he 's a little short in length for OT. Will need to pay attention at this when he's measured at the combine. Warhop has said he wants an OT to have 34" arms. If we stay at 3, I want him at LG.
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No need to draft an OG at #3. Neal/Cross fit Warhop's profile from what I've read. If you want an OG later in the 1st, I would be willing to bet Green will be every bit as good at LG as Ekwonu.
 
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Number19 said:
Would love this trade. But I'd remain open to one more trade down to the 12 - 16 spot. And I'd possibly be looking for a trade partner in the 2nd round, but not too far down.

I haven't begun to look at WR's yet. I didn't think the position was a high priority. But if Hamilton is moving the offense to a power run Air Coryell, we need to add a second burner with good hands and size who's not hesitant to block. And I don't know the depth in this draft at the position.
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I am not opposed to trade downs but I have certain players that I want and don't want to risk losing them to get an extra round two. For example I am open to a trade down and lose Hamilton knowing that there are several good safeties top of round 2. I do not want to give up on Daxton Hill and settle for somebody later that I don't like as much.

Some pretty good receivers going into round two but like you I do not see them as a priority need. However if I can get Treylon Burks or Jamison Williams...

Getting a burner receiver who's a good blocker is extremely rare.
 
vtech9 said:
What I was getting at is his name is Ekwonu not Ikwonu as SteelB keeps saying, or Okwonu as BadBoy said....Unless they are talking about someone completely different that I don't know about.
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Often my phone types differently than I speak and I don't catch it. I've seen that happen with others also so if you're going to be a linguistic critic for the board you can just bypass me.

Seems as if you were able to figure the 'great mystery' out. Also, his nickname is ICKEY which also causes a few issues for my voice to text.
 
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Number19 said:
I believe you are correct, but he was moved to OT this past season and his play there indicated he could handle the position. So, although he has been listed as an OG in the past, he 's now being projected at OT.

But notice, in the profile, it's stated he 's a little short in length for OT. Will need to pay attention at this when he's measured at the combine. Warhop has said he wants an OT to have 34" arms. If we stay at 3, I want him at LG.
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I think Ekwonu can play left tackle but is the perfect o guard. I hesitate to spend the third pick on a guard and that encourages me to seek a trade down as I do want him. As I have said before if I was ready to move Howard off the board I would go with Charles Cross as high as 1.3.

Ickey and Green would be great.
 
Lucky said:
If you want your QB hit, he can. Too raw for LT, maybe even RT. Icky has plenty experience at LG. He's worth a top 10 pick there.
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I definitely get it. I can justify him at number nine much easier than number three. Charles Cross just screams perfect at left tackle. Even if Nick caserios trade does not get us what mine would, I'd love to have cross and Ekwonu. Green at OG could be available much farther down in the draft.
 
badboy said:
I definitely get it. I can justify him at number nine much easier than number three. Charles Cross just screams perfect at left tackle. Even if Nick caserios trade does not get us what mine would, I'd love to have cross and Ekwonu. Green at OG could be available much farther down in the draft.
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This Draft seems to lack any real elite, franchise, special type players.
For example Clowneys career may have been somewhat of a disappointment but before that Draft he was the unquestioned consensus #1 pick (even though in hind site clearly wrong), but this Draft collective has no such conviction about any player. And of course so far nobody is sincerely getting excited about any of the QBs.
 
IDEXAN said:
This Draft seems to lack any real elite, franchise, special type players.
For example Clowneys career may have been somewhat of a disappointment but before that Draft he was the unquestioned consensus #1 pick (even though in hind site clearly wrong), but this Draft collective has no such conviction about any player. And of course so far nobody is sincerely getting excited about any of the QBs.
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Yes and no on this opinion. There isn't a clear cut #1. But, I think there is some elite talent.

Hamilton is one of the best Safeties in the past 2 decades. However, he doesn't play a premier position.

Ekwonu is an outstanding prospect at OG. But at OT, he's got a lot of flaws and is a project.
Hutchinson is a great combination of production and athleticism, but lacks the elite burst associated with the top pass rushing prospects of the past.

Neal has all of the traits of a franchise LT. But doesn't have the experince of most of the recent top LT prospects. And may still be growing into his enormous body.

Stingley and Thibodeaux flashed elite talent at premier positions as 18 year olds. But have not progressed, maybe even regressed, as they enter the draft.

There is a lot of talent. With a lot of questions. Once in the league, some of these guys will answer their questions in a positive way. Looking back in 3 years, people will say there were some great players out of this draft. It will be the teams that guess correctly that will win this draft.
 
Lucky said:
Yes and no on this opinion. There isn't a clear cut #1. But, I think there is some elite talent.

Hamilton is one of the best Safeties in the past 2 decades. However, he doesn't play a premier position.

Ekwonu is an outstanding prospect at OG. But at OT, he's got a lot of flaws and is a project.
Hutchinson is a great combination of production and athleticism, but lacks the elite burst associated with the top pass rushing prospects of the past.

Neal has all of the traits of a franchise LT. But doesn't have the experince of most of the recent top LT prospects. And may still be growing into his enormous body.

Stingley and Thibodeaux flashed elite talent at premier positions as 18 year olds. But have not progressed, maybe even regressed, as they enter the draft.

There is a lot of talent. With a lot of questions. Once in the league, some of these guys will answer their questions in a positive way. Looking back in 3 years, people will say there were some great players out of this draft. It will be the teams that guess correctly that will win this draft.
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Sauce Gardner is going to be a really good NFL CB.

Of course I'm terrible at evaluating CB's so take this with a grain of salt.
 
Lucky said:
Yes and no on this opinion. There isn't a clear cut #1. But, I think there is some elite talent.

Hamilton is one of the best Safeties in the past 2 decades. However, he doesn't play a premier position.

Ekwonu is an outstanding prospect at OG. But at OT, he's got a lot of flaws and is a project.
Hutchinson is a great combination of production and athleticism, but lacks the elite burst associated with the top pass rushing prospects of the past.

Neal has all of the traits of a franchise LT. But doesn't have the experince of most of the recent top LT prospects. And may still be growing into his enormous body.

Stingley and Thibodeaux flashed elite talent at premier positions as 18 year olds. But have not progressed, maybe even regressed, as they enter the draft.




Wow .... that was seriously impressive !! Great demonstration of knowledge, experience, accuracy, and authenticity ..... or, was it just .... Lucky ?
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Lucky said:
Yes and no on this opinion. There isn't a clear cut #1. But, I think there is some elite talent.

Hamilton is one of the best Safeties in the past 2 decades. However, he doesn't play a premier position.

Ekwonu is an outstanding prospect at OG. But at OT, he's got a lot of flaws and is a project.
Hutchinson is a great combination of production and athleticism, but lacks the elite burst associated with the top pass rushing prospects of the past.

Neal has all of the traits of a franchise LT. But doesn't have the experince of most of the recent top LT prospects. And may still be growing into his enormous body.

Stingley and Thibodeaux flashed elite talent at premier positions as 18 year olds. But have not progressed, maybe even regressed, as they enter the draft.

There is a lot of talent. With a lot of questions. Once in the league, some of these guys will answer their questions in a positive way. Looking back in 3 years, people will say there were some great players out of this draft. It will be the teams that guess correctly that will win this draft.
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Lucky said:
Yes and no on this opinion. There isn't a clear cut #1. But, I think there is some elite talent.

Hamilton is one of the best Safeties in the past 2 decades. However, he doesn't play a premier position.

Ekwonu is an outstanding prospect at OG. But at OT, he's got a lot of flaws and is a project.
Hutchinson is a great combination of production and athleticism, but lacks the elite burst associated with the top pass rushing prospects of the past.

Neal has all of the traits of a franchise LT. But doesn't have the experince of most of the recent top LT prospects. And may still be growing into his enormous body.

Stingley and Thibodeaux flashed elite talent at premier positions as 18 year olds. But have not progressed, maybe even regressed, as they enter the draft.

There is a lot of talent. With a lot of questions. Once in the league, some of these guys will answer their questions in a positive way. Looking back in 3 years, people will say there were some great players out of this draft. It will be the teams that guess correctly that will win this draft.
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Lucky said:
Yes and no on this opinion. There isn't a clear cut #1. But, I think there is some elite talent.

Hamilton is one of the best Safeties in the past 2 decades. However, he doesn't play a premier position.

Ekwonu is an outstanding prospect at OG. But at OT, he's got a lot of flaws and is a project.
Hutchinson is a great combination of production and athleticism, but lacks the elite burst associated with the top pass rushing prospects of the past.

Neal has all of the traits of a franchise LT. But doesn't have the experince of most of the recent top LT prospects. And may still be growing into his enormous body.

Stingley and Thibodeaux flashed elite talent at premier positions as 18 year olds. But have not progressed, maybe even regressed, as they enter the draft.

There is a lot of talent. With a lot of questions. Once in the league, some of these guys will answer their questions in a positive way. Looking back in 3 years, people will say there were some great players out of this draft. It will be the teams that guess correctly that will win this draft.
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The ND safety may be the best to come out in 20 years, but as you correctly say safety is not a premiere position which is why I go "meh" when it comes to taking him with our #3 overall.
And you also say "flashed elite talent @ 18" & "outstanding prospect" and I say I want talent and production today for my top 5 pick: I want a guy who starts opening day, plays every game, produces and makes an impact for my Houston Texans in 2022 and beyond.
Yes there is some talent in this Draft, and there's also very likely some big prospects who are going to bust - Caserio has got his work cut out for himself.
 
If you're in the keep Laremy Tunsil camp, you can't feel good about Nick Caserio's response as to Tunsil's future with the team.

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""We’ll see how it goes here once we get moving," Caserio said. "We’re kind of going through the whole team-building process as we speak. So, we’ve got a lot of players that are under contract, so we’ll be pretty busy here the next couple of weeks."

No, "Laremy is our LT" or "Tunsil is a key component of our team". There's a big For Sale sign around Tunsil's neck.
 
Lucky said:
If you're in the keep Laremy Tunsil camp, you can't feel good about Nick Caserio's response as to Tunsil's future with the team.



""We’ll see how it goes here once we get moving," Caserio said. "We’re kind of going through the whole team-building process as we speak. So, we’ve got a lot of players that are under contract, so we’ll be pretty busy here the next couple of weeks."

No, "Laremy is our LT" or "Tunsil is a key component of our team". There's a big For Sale sign around Tunsil's neck.
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Not the direction I would go in, but I totally understand why Caserio would go in this direction, depending on what he can get in a trade for Tunsil. Truth is say Cincy gives up #31 and #93 for Tunsil and # 115, that's a deal Caserio would have to consider because of the 9 mil in cap savings, not to mention further cap savings in future yrs.

This would give Caserio 6 top 100 picks in this draft and an extra 9 mil in cap savings. That's enough for another quality starter level player or 2 in FA. Add in if Caserio decides to trade down from 3, that would give Caserio to add another top 100 player.

So Caserio by trading Tunsil and trading down from #3 could end up with 7 top 100 picks and cap space to add 2 quality (Not top tier) FA's. Plus Caserio is going to need cap space to sign guys like M. Collins and KGH.

Add this to if he gets lucky a Derrick trade and the rebuild will be well underway.
 
steelbtexan said:
Not the direction I would go in, but I totally understand why Caserio would go in this direction, depending on what he can get in a trade for Tunsil. Truth is say Cincy gives up #31 and #93 for Tunsil and # 115, that's a deal Caserio would have to consider because of the 9 mil in cap savings, not to mention further cap savings in future yrs.

This would give Caserio 6 top 100 picks in this draft and an extra 9 mil in cap savings. That's enough for another quality starter level player or 2 in FA. Add in if Caserio decides to trade down from 3, that would give Caserio to add another top 100 player.

So Caserio by trading Tunsil and trading down from #3 could end up with 7 top 100 picks and cap space to add 2 quality (Not top tier) FA's. Plus Caserio is going to need cap space to sign guys like M. Collins and KGH.

Add this to if he gets lucky a Derrick trade and the rebuild will be well underway.
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You know….if Caserio gets Cincy to pull the trigger on Tunsil, that adds the 31st pick and more.

If Watson can be traded before the draft, I think the Commanders can arrive at the best package and still work in some protection if Watson’s legal situation isn’t 100% cleared up. This just might be the only team willing to gamble with his situation. That would give Caserio the 11th pick and more.

With the 3, 11, and 31 picks….I think the Texans could finish RD1 with: SS- Kyle Hamilton, LT- Trevor Penning, and LG- Zion Johnson. That would be a huge RD1.

If I could add RT/RG- Andrew Stueber (Michigan) in RD3 or RD4….Caserio would have obtained some amazing parts for the OL. Not to mention, they all possess the desired traits that new OL Coach Warhol covets.
 
steelbtexan said:
Not the direction I would go in, but I totally understand why Caserio would go in this direction, depending on what he can get in a trade for Tunsil. Truth is say Cincy gives up #31 and #93 for Tunsil and # 115, that's a deal Caserio would have to consider because of the 9 mil in cap savings, not to mention further cap savings in future yrs.
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Yes, a Tunsil trade would do all that. But it kind of pigeonholes the team into taking a LT in the draft. The Texans could try to get through 2022 with Howard at LT. But at some point soon, they would have to find one.

I think this was the agreement Nick and Laremy (who is his own agent) came up with last season. I just hope the market is there.
 
Lucky said:
If you're in the keep Laremy Tunsil camp, you can't feel good about Nick Caserio's response as to Tunsil's future with the team.



""We’ll see how it goes here once we get moving," Caserio said. "We’re kind of going through the whole team-building process as we speak. So, we’ve got a lot of players that are under contract, so we’ll be pretty busy here the next couple of weeks."

No, "Laremy is our LT" or "Tunsil is a key component of our team". There's a big For Sale sign around Tunsil's neck.
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I think Tunsil pretty much quit on them last season.
 
Lucky said:
Yes, a Tunsil trade would do all that. But it kind of pigeonholes the team into taking a LT in the draft. The Texans could try to get through 2022 with Howard at LT. But at some point soon, they would have to find one.

I think this was the agreement Nick and Laremy (who is his own agent) came up with last season. I just hope the market is there.
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I could see after hearing Lovie talk this being a defensive centric draft and Mills being left hanging out to dry for another season. It seams as though Lovie seems to think fixing the defense and finding a bell cow RB will fix what's wrong with the Texans. I have my doubts. I'm betting Lovie would think this is a successful draft. Trade Tunsil

Rd.1. Hamilton
Rd.1 Winfrey
Rd.2 Mafe'
Rd.3 Martin Emerson
Rd.3 Spiller
Rd. 4 Anderson
 
steelbtexan said:
And still managed to make 2 pro bowls. Pretty good for the piece of trsh you're describing.
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My sincerest hopes go to those who voted him into those two Pro Bowls, and that their evaluation of him remains intact. If it does, we should be able to demand and receive a bounty for him.
 
Dejaview said:
With the quality of some of the OL at the combine here is a chance to trade him for valuable draft choices this year, lower the cap, and get rid of an attitude. Problem is the depth of this draft so what would anyone give for him?
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Mid to late RD1 is where Tunsil would probably go. If the Bengals want him….that’s probably where he goes b/c they could probably afford to offer up the best package.
 
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This draft class has an unusual number of O Line studs at the top. I see 3 real difference makers .... and that's excluding Neal. Ickey, Penning, and Linderbaum are, or certainly could be, all - decade or nearly generational players. These are real possibilities if above trades fall into place. It would be nice to throw a Breece Hall into the mix in the second .... this would all take place before we reach the point where we began last year's draft .... okay .... attack !!
 
justmy2cents said:
This draft class has an unusual number of O Line studs at the top. I see 3 real difference makers .... and that's excluding Neal. Ickey, Penning, and Linderbaum are, or certainly could be, all - decade or nearly generational players. These are real possibilities if above trades fall into place. It would be nice to throw a Breece Hall into the mix in the second .... this would all take place before we reach the point where we began last year's draft .... okay .... attack !!
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Even Bernhard Raimann is being projected to the first by some respected entities - CBS sports.com have him ranked at #24!
There is a lot of OL talent on offer fer sure.
 
Texansphan said:
Even Bernhard Raimann is being projected to the first by some respected entities - CBS sports.com have him ranked at #24!
There is a lot of OL talent on offer fer sure.
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Raimann is the type of lineman I like .... a pure athlete, 6'6" 304, quick, fast, and strong ! He won't work in the scheme they've decided to employ .... he'd need 15 more lbs. If he was able to put it on, he'd take on the look of Dwight Howard or Kenyon Green - bad body weight !
 
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