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Texansballer74 said:
Right now the Texans are stuck and there’s a very strong possibility they will be paying him 35 million next year to sit.
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With this Gomer Pyle organization, he might just get paid the whole length of his contract while sitting.

On the other hand, let the dude waste the prime of his career. The only reason I even care anymore is to get compensation for him to help turn this shitshow around a little quicker. If that's not going to happen for whatever reason, particularly if the reason is Watson not expanding the teams he's willing to go to, then **** him. Let his career rot. I wouldn't even want to cut him so he could freely sign wherever he wanted.
 
Speedy said:
With this Gomer Pyle organization, he might just get paid the whole length of his contract while sitting.

On the other hand, let the dude waste the prime of his career. The only reason I even care anymore is to get compensation for him to help turn this shitshow around a little quicker. If that's not going to happen for whatever reason, particularly if the reason is Watson not expanding the teams he's willing to go to, then **** him. Let his career rot. I wouldn't even want to cut him so he could freely sign wherever he wanted.
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Couldn't agree more. However, let's just say if there is no resolution for Watson as the draft approaches, but there is still plenty of pending legal stuff to get around, what then? What happens if we're still up in the air at that time and the NFL has made no decisions. What then? Do we keep paying him to not play? I don't think the Texans will do that two years in a row.
 
Thorn said:
Couldn't agree more. However, let's just say if there is no resolution for Watson as the draft approaches, but there is still plenty of pending legal stuff to get around, what then? What happens if we're still up in the air at that time and the NFL has made no decisions. What then? Do we keep paying him to not play? I don't think the Texans will do that two years in a row.
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You don't think the Texans will do that 2 years in a row? You underestimate them my good man.

The Texans already screwed it up paying him not to play this year. Should have told him to get his ass on the field, let him fake his injury, and then take him to court. Now, they can pay him the whole $160,000,000 for all I care, as long as he doesn't take another snap for anyone for the next 4 years.
 
Thorn said:
Couldn't agree more. However, let's just say if there is no resolution for Watson as the draft approaches, but there is still plenty of pending legal stuff to get around, what then? What happens if we're still up in the air at that time and the NFL has made no decisions. What then? Do we keep paying him to not play? I don't think the Texans will do that two years in a row.
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Worst case scenario is Texans have an auction and auction DW4 off as is. You may only get 1 or 2 1st RD draft picks but that is better than nothing.
 
Texian said:
Worst case scenario is Texans have an auction and auction DW4 off as is. You may only get 1 or 2 1st RD draft picks but that is better than nothing.
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They would be silly to do that. There is no rush to trade him before this draft. Let the legal stuff have time to work, you can probably void his contract or trade him post June 1 for much better results
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
January 24, 2022 @ 10:19am » Alek Arend

NFL World Reacts To Monday’s Deshaun Watson News

As it currently sits, the chances of Deshaun Watson playing another down in a Texans uniform are slim. And now, a new development could give some insight into the decisions he could make this coming offseason.

Previous reports suggested Watson was seriously interested in playing for the Miami Dolphins solely based on his opinion of head coach Brian Flores. If true, it wouldn’t be surprising if Watson then tried to urge the Texans to trade him to the team Flores next coaches.

However, it doesn’t appear the Watson-Flores reports were accurate.

Per NFL insider Jordan Schultz, Flores and Watson don’t even have each other’s phone numbers. In other words, they haven’t had contact throughout this process.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1485615672860327938

We think it’s safe to say no one knows how this Deshaun Watson situation is going to unfold.
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Just read this, seems Watson is not going to be a Giant. Or it's a very good fake out.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

John Mara rules out pursuing Deshaun Watson

With the Giants hiring a new G.M., looking for a coach, and potentially searching for a different quarterback, some have mused about the possibility of Texan quarterback Deshaun Watson landing in N…
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
 
Hervoyel said:
I kind of feel like that might be the case as well. Who would want to deal with this or want this POS making headlines in their employment? To a lot of people the guy is a complete turd now. He looks and has acted like a turd and as much as this has reflected poorly on the Texans it's put a fair amount of stink on Watson as well. When you rule out the teams that simply don't need a QB, then add to that the teams that aren't stupid enough to hire a guy who makes prime Roethlisberger look like a sexual abuse counselor and that leaves few teams to try and sell him to. Finally you have to factor in the no-trade clause. What happens if we simply end up having to cut him to get rid of him or take far less than he's worth to get a buyer to make the deal?
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Holy Cow Batman ..... an @Hervoyel sighting.

It's been a while.
 
Speedy said:
With this Gomer Pyle organization, he might just get paid the whole length of his contract while sitting.

On the other hand, let the dude waste the prime of his career. The only reason I even care anymore is to get compensation for him to help turn this shitshow around a little quicker. If that's not going to happen for whatever reason, particularly if the reason is Watson not expanding the teams he's willing to go to, then **** him. Let his career rot. I wouldn't even want to cut him so he could freely sign wherever he wanted.
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I feel pretty much the same way.

If we can't trade him, I'd rather he not play for the duration of his contract .... but that after the end of the contract the team retains his rights because he didn't fulfill the contract essentially stopping him from playing elsewhere beyond that.
 
Corrosion said:
I feel pretty much the same way.

If we can't trade him, I'd rather he not play for the duration of his contract .... but that after the end of the contract the team retains his rights because he didn't fulfill the contract essentially stopping him from playing elsewhere beyond that.
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He's not getting any accredited time is he?
 
JB said:
He's not getting any accredited time is he?
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I don't know the answer to that.

One would hope not .... I'm sure he thinks he is and his agent probably does too.

But if you wanted to play hardball in court, I think you might be able to show he refused services meaning the contract isn't fulfilled ... really more hypothetical than anything.

I was just being .... vindictive?
 
Thorn said:
Couldn't agree more. However, let's just say if there is no resolution for Watson as the draft approaches, but there is still plenty of pending legal stuff to get around, what then? What happens if we're still up in the air at that time and the NFL has made no decisions. What then? Do we keep paying him to not play? I don't think the Texans will do that two years in a row.
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It’ll be bad, but I’ll be more than happy to splurge for the straw so the team can just suck it up in 2022.

If Watson’s legal situation hasn’t cleared up enough by the draft, the team would have to sit on him b/c his contract is guaranteed regardless of where he’s sitting. For me, the opportunity to move Watson may be anytime after June 1st and before the 2023 NFL Draft.

If Watson’s depositions in February show that there’s some light at the end of the tunnel, there may be some teams willing to gamble that they could get Watson for less compensation before the 2022 NFL Draft or the 2022 NFL Trade Deadline versus waiting around for the final outcome. Teams also know that Caserio’s asking price will go up exponentially if and when Watson clears his final legal hurdle which should have a conclusion before the 2023 NFL Draft.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
That little thing called….the judicial system having the time to take its course versus the peanut gallery screaming guilty with all their might.
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He won’t see the field with criminal cases pending. If it was just civil, then sure. Nobody is touching him without resolution from the GJ.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
He won’t see the field with criminal cases pending. If it was just civil, then sure. Nobody is touching him without resolution from the GJ.
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Did Goodell block Watson from taking the field in 2021 and has he made any announcements about Watson taking the field during the 2022 season with his unresolved legal situation?
 
djohn2oo8 said:
He won’t see the field with criminal cases pending. If it was just civil, then sure. Nobody is touching him without resolution from the GJ.
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That is true. But, unless the commish or NFLPA step in (or up depending on your take) and say he can't play...apparently he can. However, once the depositions happen, it could alter things. I think that's what the NFL is waiting for. They want to hear the evidence on both sides and then render a decision. After all as I said before...they can't afford to screw it up after things like Ray Rice and bad handling. They have to resolve this correctly
 
OptimisticTexan said:
It’ll be bad, but I’ll be more than happy to splurge for the straw so the team can just suck it up in 2022.

If Watson’s legal situation hasn’t cleared up enough by the draft, the team would have to sit on him b/c his contract is guaranteed regardless of where he’s sitting. For me, the opportunity to move Watson may be anytime after June 1st and before the 2023 NFL Draft.

If Watson’s depositions in February show that there’s some light at the end of the tunnel, there may be some teams willing to gamble that they could get Watson for less compensation before the 2022 NFL Draft or the 2022 NFL Trade Deadline versus waiting around for the final outcome. Teams also know that Caserio’s asking price will go up exponentially if and when Watson clears his final legal hurdle which should have a conclusion before the 2023 NFL Draft.
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Where we disagree is whether Derrick's legal troubles will be cleaned up before the draft.

Hope you're right, but as slow as lady justice moves I just don't see it happening.

Remember it's not just the civil stuff, it's the criminal and the stuff the feds are looking into too.
 
Thorn said:
Couldn't agree more. However, let's just say if there is no resolution for Watson as the draft approaches, but there is still plenty of pending legal stuff to get around, what then? What happens if we're still up in the air at that time and the NFL has made no decisions. What then? Do we keep paying him to not play? I don't think the Texans will do that two years in a row.
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Wouldn't it be weird if they were both paying him and suing him at the same time?
 
Earl34 said:
Did you just come up with that? If so, you should send this sentence to the Texans. It's definitely worthy of a banner in the halls of NRG or motivational t-shirts or a laminated card in each player's locker.
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That's just it unfortunately. Each one of us has a different idea of what the best is in any given situation. You can see it in every topic in every thread. Some think in the draft for example we should go offense others defense. Unfortunately for us we have to depend on the Texans Brain Trust to do that one best thing and we have been burned repeatedly. I guess my comment was more out of frustration than sarcasm.

I was so excited that Bill O'Brien was gone that I was eager to see what David Culley could do. I did not think he was best in that moment but Caserio did.

I actually thought he could have been that best in that moment although I didn't see how he could be. We are able to demand what we think is that 'best' when there is no consequences for us.
 
badboy said:
That's just it unfortunately. Each one of us has a different idea of what the best is in any given situation. You can see it in every topic in every thread. Some think in the draft for example we should go offense others defense. Unfortunately for us we have to depend on the Texans Brain Trust to do that one best thing and we have been burned repeatedly. I guess my comment was more out of frustration than sarcasm.

I was so excited that Bill O'Brien was gone that I was eager to see what David Culley could do. I did not think he was best in that moment but Caserio did.

I actually thought he could have been that best in that moment although I didn't see how he could be. We are able to demand what we think is that 'best' when there is no consequences for us.
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Yes, the Texans have been burned by bad GM's in the past. Hopefully this will change with Caserio down on Kirby. The last draft was promising in this regard. IMHO

I think Caserio thought Culley was the right guy to go through the rebuild. (Kinda the Texans Bo Porter)

I just want Caserio to draft the best players.

I've got 1. Neal 2. Hamilton but wont be upset if the Edges or CB's or even a guy like Ikem is picked.
 
thunderkyss said:
Last guy who had a pretty good draft without a 1st or 2nd round pick didn’t last 19 months

Just saying
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I guess this depends if you think Howard/Scharping were pretty good picks. I would argue they look more busty than foundational players. If Howard was that good Neal wouldn't even be under consideration at 1-3.
 
Corrosion said:
I don't know the answer to that.

One would hope not .... I'm sure he thinks he is and his agent probably does too.

But if you wanted to play hardball in court, I think you might be able to show he refused services meaning the contract isn't fulfilled ... really more hypothetical than anything.

I was just being .... vindictive?
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I would think Watson would get credit for 2021 as he did not refuse to play.
 
Dammit, I was hoping inactive didn't count... but hopefully he will be indicted before March and they can cut him
 
Speedy said:
You don't think the Texans will do that 2 years in a row? You underestimate them my good man.

The Texans already screwed it up paying him not to play this year. Should have told him to get his ass on the field, let him fake his injury, and then take him to court. Now, they can pay him the whole $160,000,000 for all I care, as long as he doesn't take another snap for anyone for the next 4 years.
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I have to agree with you. This team is proving it will do very stupid things.
 
TexansBull said:
If you haven’t accepted the reality we are getting nothing for Watson, I think you should start preparing yourself.

Anything we do get would be very surprising.

IMHO.
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Yep. This is pretty much where I'm at right now.

With the exception of potential salary-cap implications, they've got to just ignore the noise and move forward. If they get anything from it, that's a bonus. But it should not be the centerpiece of a rebuild effort (i.e. waiting for draft capital and hiring another "placeholder" head coach).
 
thunderkyss said:
Last guy who had a pretty good draft without a 1st or 2nd round pick didn’t last 19 months

Just saying
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I remember people were claiming victory on that draft. And now just 4 seasons later, only one player from that draft remains (Reid) and there's a good chance he's not returning.

I see it again, people claiming victory on last year's draft. I hope they're right, but I'm not giving any judgement until these rookies' 3rd season.
 
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