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Davis Mills vs rookie QBs

Thorn said:
I have no idea if you missed something. I can tell you this, Mills is going to make it in this league. We just still don't know if that's as a backup or starter, but he'll be around for a while.
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Like I had said a number of times since the day Mils got drafted; he's a good pick for a third rounder, but not when you have so many holes to fill.
And I'm tired of the Schaub / Alex Smith game manager type.
You have to put together a good supporting cast around such a QB to really compete - and that's not an easy thing to do.
 
76Texan said:
Like I had said a number of times since the day Mils got drafted; he's a good pick for a third rounder, but not when you have so many holes to fill.
And I'm tired of the Schaub / Alex Smith game manager type.
You have to put together a good supporting cast around such a QB to really compete - and that's not an easy thing to do.
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Many of us feel the same way... but we've managed to move on.
 
76Texan said:
Like I had said a number of times since the day Mils got drafted; he's a good pick for a third rounder, but not when you have so many holes to fill.
And I'm tired of the Schaub / Alex Smith game manager type.
You have to put together a good supporting cast around such a QB to really compete - and that's not an easy thing to do.
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You have to do that with a good qb too.
 
Mr teX said:
You have to do that with a good qb too.
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You know very well that a good QB can make the other guys look better.

Throwing the receiver open. (More yards and maybe even more TDs)
Avoiding the pass rush. (Fewer sacks)
Make something happen on third down...
All of that together can also keep the offense on the field longer, thus helping out the D.
The team could be in the lead more often and start pounding the ball in the second half, again, helping to keep the D fresh.
 
76Texan said:
You know very well that a good QB can make the other guys look better.

Throwing the receiver open. (More yards and maybe even more TDs)
Avoiding the pass rush. (Fewer sacks)
Make something happen on third down...
All of that together can also keep the offense on the field longer, thus helping out the D.
The team could be in the lead more often and start pounding the ball in the second half, again, helping to keep the D fresh.
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With everything, there's a point where that stops. Think we've all been spoiled by the TB12's and Aaron Rodgers of the world. At the end of the day, the majority of these guys still need a good enough team around them to allow them to do those things consistently.
 
Mr teX said:
With everything, there's a point where that stops. Think we've all been spoiled by the TB12's and Aaron Rodgers of the world. At the end of the day, the majority of these guys still need a good enough team around them to allow them to do those things consistently.
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There were years that Manning, Luck, Brees, Wilson, Big Ben... names that I can remember, had to carry the Defense and/or poor Oline play.
 
Mr teX said:
With everything, there's a point where that stops. Think we've all been spoiled by the TB12's and Aaron Rodgers of the world. At the end of the day, the majority of these guys still need a good enough team around them to allow them to do those things consistently.
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Neither Rogers or Brady started as rookies. Just saying.
 
Mr teX said:
Agreed........but you do realize that 3 of those guys are 1st ballot HOF & 1 of them is on track for it right? Furthermore, 1 of those quit b/c the supporting cast wasn't good around him.
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You also have Mahomes with all those new Olinemen this year.
Prescott and Watson to a certain degree.

You have guys like Matt Ryan getting his team to the SB with a very bad defense.

Then you had young Herbert last year with a bad Oline.

And that's without acknowledging that the play of these guys likely help make the Defense not looking as bad as they truly were.
 
76Texan said:
You also have Mahomes with all those new Olinemen this year.
Prescott and Watson to a certain degree.

You have guys like Matt Ryan getting his team to the SB with a very bad defense.

Then you had young Herbert last year with a bad Oline.

And that's without acknowledging that the play of these guys likely help make the Defense not looking as bad as they truly were.
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Serious question. How is Matt Ryan doing this year? How about Herbert? I haven't paid attention to those teams, so I really don't know.
 
vtech9 said:
Serious question. How is Matt Ryan doing this year? How about Herbert? I haven't paid attention to those teams, so I really don't know.
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The Falcons were not expected to make the playoffs.
If you look at the pre-season ranking from various outlets (PFF, NFL, SI, ESPN, Sporting News, USA), most have them in the third tier, and as low as 27th.
They started the year with a lot of question marks on the Oline while the defense remains poor (close to the Texans level).
Yet, they're scratching and clawing at 6-7, fighting for a playoff spot.
Yes, Matt has a down year statistically by his standard, but he's making it count.
They should win against the Lions.
And then they will need a win either over the Saints (also 6-7) or the Niners (7-6) to make it.

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The Chargers garnered a wide range of view in the preseason, as high as 8th, and as low as the low 20s.
The overall thinking is that they're an above average team that should make the playoffs.
They're sitting at 8-5 with remaining games that include the Texans, Broncos, Raiders, and Chiefs.
Just one win will probably put them in the playoffs.
Herbert is doing just fine despite a defense that ranks 26th in points allowed and a running game that ranks 21st (only because of his own 286 yards and team-leading 5.6 ypc
Don't you think the Texans can use that guy as a RB? LOL
 
76Texan said:
The Chargers garnered a wide range of view in the preseason, as high as 8th, and as low as the low 20s.
The overall thinking is that they're an above average team that should make the playoffs.
They're sitting at 8-5 with remaining games that include the Texans, Broncos, Raiders, and Chiefs.
Just one win will probably put them in the playoffs.
Herbert is doing just fine despite a defense that ranks 26th in points allowed and a running game that ranks 21st (only because of his own 286 yards and team-leading 5.6 ypc
Don't you think the Texans can use that guy as a RB? LOL
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Agreed. No reason the Texans shouldn't be as good as the Chargers with Davis Mills
 
Mr teX said:
Agreed........but you do realize that 3 of those guys are 1st ballot HOF & 1 of them is on track for it right? Furthermore, 1 of those quit b/c the supporting cast wasn't good around him.
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Another thing is that you post exactly what I prefer to have.

(Temporarily forget Brady, even though I had had a number of posts about how the scouts missed that one - partially because the scouting back then isn't as sophisticated as today).

It's different today.
There are much more resources, even for the average fan (if they have time to watch the game films of the prospects and to read the various scouting reports as well as to watch the film analysis of some of the college coaches/scouts on YouTube.)

We know enough that there's no sure-fire thing in the next draft, and no highly-intriguing prospect either.
 
Mr teX said:
With everything, there's a point where that stops. Think we've all been spoiled by the TB12's and Aaron Rodgers of the world. At the end of the day, the majority of these guys still need a good enough team around them to allow them to do those things consistently.
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Yes, and TB12/Rodgers weren't what they are today as rookies. In fact as 76 says most rookie QB's cant elevate their teams. This doesn't make then a failure. It just means they're inexperienced. What 76 is talking about takes time to learn.

Me personally, I want to see a competent run game happen and how Mills looks with one. Right now the run game is about as bad as I've seen from an NFL team.
 
76Texan said:
There were years that Manning, Luck, Brees, Wilson, Big Ben... names that I can remember, had to carry the Defense and/or poor Oline play.
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Wasn't their rookie yrs, probably like yr 4-5.

If your expectations are for Mills to play like a HOF'ER after 5 games then yoiur not only being unrealistic, but you've earned a place in THE delusional HOF.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed. No reason the Texans shouldn't be as good as the Chargers with Davis Mills
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As a rookie playing behind a subpar OL with less weapons.

Look at what Telasco did to help Herbert this yr,

Signed Linsley the #1 rated C in FA.
Signed a very solid OG in Fieler
Drafted LT Slater in the 1st
Drafted WR Palmer in the 3rd.

That's a commitment to protecting your QB.

I'm hoping that Caserio will make this type of commitment this offseason.
 
thunderkyss said:
Many of us feel the same way... but we've managed to move on.
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I’ll take a Davis Mills 3rd round pick over Kahalle Warring or Braxton Miller any day.

Just because you draft someone in the 3rd round doesn’t mean they fill the hole on your roster. That goes for every position.

But Mills has shown more than the majority of the Texans storied history of 3rd round picks thus far. Not saying much obviously but yeah…
 
steelbtexan said:
As a rookie playing behind a subpar OL with less weapons.

Look at what Telasco did to help Herbert this yr,

Signed Linsley the #1 rated C in FA.
Signed a very solid OG in Fieler
Drafted LT Slater in the 1st
Drafted WR Palmer in the 3rd.

That's a commitment to protecting your QB.

I'm hoping that Caserio will make this type of commitment this offseason.
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I hope they make an an unprecedented effort, to acquire the best offensive line in the conference. Add a stud and a solid back up running back and a receiver and a tight end. We can focus on the defense next year .... I think our punter, kicker, and deep snapper are solid. This is an all out rebuild, right ?
 
justmy2cents said:
I hope they make an an unprecedented effort, to acquire the best offensive line in the conference. Add a stud and a solid back up running back and a receiver and a tight end. We can focus on the defense next year .... I think our punter, kicker, and deep snapper are solid. This is an all out rebuild, right ?
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I've always felt the two best places to start rebuilding from are the lines, both O and D. Build from the inside out. Without a proper line every position behind it can't function as well, be they offensive or defensive. If they spent their 1st and 2nd rounders on the lines next year, I'd be happy as hell.

Then again, as we all know, the draft is a crap shoot and if you don't have someone good making the decisions, it won't matter who they draft. Just ask Jacksonville. :lol:
 
Thorn said:
I've always felt the two best places to start rebuilding from are the lines, both O and D. Build from the inside out. Without a proper line every position behind it can't function as well, be they offensive or defensive. If they spent their 1st and 2nd rounders on the lines next year, I'd be happy as hell.

Then again, as we all know, the draft is a crap shoot and if you don't have someone good making the decisions, it won't matter who they draft. Just ask Jacksonville. :lol:
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If picking 1-3 or 1-4 I would go for BRA.

Stingley (If healthy/ Neal/Hamilton.

If you want to fix the run game do this.

1-3 Neal
2-35 Kinnard
 
76Texan said:
You know very well that a good QB can make the other guys look better.

Throwing the receiver open. (More yards and maybe even more TDs)
Avoiding the pass rush. (Fewer sacks)
Make something happen on third down...
All of that together can also keep the offense on the field longer, thus helping out the D.
The team could be in the lead more often and start pounding the ball in the second half, again, helping to keep the D fresh.
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Oh to be able to pound the rock...
 
76Texan said:
You know very well that a good QB can make the other guys look better.

Throwing the receiver open. (More yards and maybe even more TDs)
Avoiding the pass rush. (Fewer sacks)
Make something happen on third down...
All of that together can also keep the offense on the field longer, thus helping out the D.
The team could be in the lead more often and start pounding the ball in the second half, again, helping to keep the D fresh.
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Brady must suck

He ain't making the Bucs offense look good tonight.

Constant pressure
 
thunderkyss said:
I understand that. But as of right now, especially with the running game being what it is. Tyrod gives us a much better chance to win.

3 games from now if Mills is playing at more than game manager level & the run game is able to take serious weight off his shoulder then yes it might make sense. Right now, I don’t believe it is.

We disagree. That’s ok.



You’re completely missing the point if these are your comps.
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but, Tyrod doesn't give us the best chance to win, he never did.. He is what he is and exactly what I thought he was.. a career backup and often injured who is only be available a few games anyways. Tyrod Taylor sucks. We need to be looking for a better backup honestly.
 
thunderkyss said:
I understand that. But as of right now, especially with the running game being what it is. Tyrod gives us a much better chance to win.

3 games from now if Mills is playing at more than game manager level & the run game is able to take serious weight off his shoulder then yes it might make sense. Right now, I don’t believe it is.

We disagree. That’s ok.



You’re completely missing the point if these are your comps.
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..and Tyrod Taylor is 11 years in and can't even manage to make it to games, much less manage games. He never gave us "the best chance to win". He's getting outplayed by a 3rd round rookie.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I’ll take a Davis Mills 3rd round pick over Kahalle Warring or Braxton Miller any day.

Just because you draft someone in the 3rd round doesn’t mean they fill the hole on your roster. That goes for every position.

But Mills has shown more than the majority of the Texans storied history of 3rd round picks thus far. Not saying much obviously but yeah…
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Charles Spencer was looking like a gem before he got injured.
Winston is still the best RT the Texans ever had.
Jacoby Jones is probably a push.
Brandon Brooks was a beast.

OB only had Greenard to show for.
So many wasted picks under him it's not even funny.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Sorry for them, because they need too.. what else do they want out of a 3rd rounder. Our 3rd rounder is exceeding expectations and his draft position, that's all you can ask for..
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Your bar is too low.

The guy I selected at QB was Russell Wilson; he went at no. 75.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Sorry for them, because they need too.. what else do they want out of a 3rd rounder. Our 3rd rounder is exceeding expectations and his draft position, that's all you can ask for..
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It’s not simply about Mills. If they (Caserio) see Mills as a legit prospect then the rebuild has begun & David Culley is a legit coach. Not a placeholder.
 
Carr Bombed said:
but, Tyrod doesn't give us the best chance to win, he never did.. He is what he is and exactly what I thought he was.. a career backup and often injured who is only be available a few games anyways. Tyrod Taylor sucks. We need to be looking for a better backup honestly.
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You may have gotten one now. :)
 
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