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CloakNNNdagger said:
Derrick Henry, who sustained a Jones fracture, has no chance of returning as originally reported in 6-8 weeks. Instead of undergoing the traditional single screw repair, his fracture was repaired with a plate and multiple screws. Therefore, he has no chance of returning any time this season.
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I had a jones fracture years back. Dr said my options were a screw or a cast.
If he’s getting multiple screws and a plate, did the bone break in more places than one? Or are the plates needed for a guy of his athletic ability to return almost to normal?
 
IDEXAN said:
And all of those years I watched Mike Mayoc on the NFLNetwork, I really thought he knew what he was talking about
when it came to analyzing /evaluating college players coming into the NFL.
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I'm sure he's pretty good at evaluating players. There's just more to it than that. Hopefully he's learned from his mistakes & will do better in the future.
 
There have been 41 confirmed torn ACLs in the NFL this year through Week 9 (and Steelers vs Bears still remains)…..............There were 42 torn ACLs all of last year.
 
TexansBull said:
I can’t laugh yet because this could be our future.

Caserio better pull it together.
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The Texans have a “culture” and the Raiders apparently have their own “culture”. In this particular instance I’d take the Texans way.

I realize that means we may never win another football game again, but I don’t have to worry about anyone on the team killing anybody.
 
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Speedy said:
The Texans have a “culture” and the Raiders apparently have their own “culture”. In this particular instance I’d take the Texans way.

I realize that means we may never win another football game again, but I don’t have to worry about anyone on the team killing anybody.
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Why does it have to be a pick between the two?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There have been 41 confirmed torn ACLs in the NFL this year through Week 9 (and Steelers vs Bears still remains)…..............There were 42 torn ACLs all of last year.
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Any chance the Poke messing with players Rna could be causing the large increase in ACL injuries?
 
It's just a matter of time.................

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Tony Corrente’s antics fuel “the fix is in” crowd
November 9, 2021, 1:53 PM EST

On Monday night, referee Tony Corrente and his crew made multiple bad calls. Corrente personally was responsible for two major moments, a controversial low block that took a touchdown off the board for Chicago and a sketchy taunting call that included Corrente throwing a hip into Cassius Marsh just before throwing the flag.

Both calls were very bad. In his pool report, Corrente said whatever he had to say to justify the decisions he made, no matter how factually inaccurate his contentions were.

Corrente’s antics prove yet again the value of a sky judge/booth umpire who would have bridged the gap between the TV feed and the decisions made in the moment by the on-field officials. In a situation like the one that emerged last night, it’s the kind of thing that justifies suspicion that the fix is in.

The fix isn’t in. The NFL doesn’t predetermine the outcome of games. In large part because it couldn’t pull it off without someone blabbing.

But that doesn’t keep people from thinking the fix is in. And it doesn’t keep situations like the one that played out last night from making people think the fix is in.

Perception is reality. The more that people perceive there’s a predetermined result, the more of a problem it becomes for the NFL.

That’s why it’s critical for the league to improve its officiating function. Eventually, as legalized gambling spreads, one big scandal will become the big scandal that gets Congress to create an agency that will exercise oversight as to the NFL. When that happens, that won’t be good for the NFL.

The only way the NFL can delay that outcome is to do everything it can to improve its officiating function before someone else forces them to do it.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It's just a matter of time.................

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Tony Corrente’s antics fuel “the fix is in” crowd
November 9, 2021, 1:53 PM EST

On Monday night, referee Tony Corrente and his crew made multiple bad calls. Corrente personally was responsible for two major moments, a controversial low block that took a touchdown off the board for Chicago and a sketchy taunting call that included Corrente throwing a hip into Cassius Marsh just before throwing the flag.

Both calls were very bad. In his pool report, Corrente said whatever he had to say to justify the decisions he made, no matter how factually inaccurate his contentions were.

Corrente’s antics prove yet again the value of a sky judge/booth umpire who would have bridged the gap between the TV feed and the decisions made in the moment by the on-field officials. In a situation like the one that emerged last night, it’s the kind of thing that justifies suspicion that the fix is in.

The fix isn’t in. The NFL doesn’t predetermine the outcome of games. In large part because it couldn’t pull it off without someone blabbing.

But that doesn’t keep people from thinking the fix is in. And it doesn’t keep situations like the one that played out last night from making people think the fix is in.

Perception is reality. The more that people perceive there’s a predetermined result, the more of a problem it becomes for the NFL.

That’s why it’s critical for the league to improve its officiating function. Eventually, as legalized gambling spreads, one big scandal will become the big scandal that gets Congress to create an agency that will exercise oversight as to the NFL. When that happens, that won’t be good for the NFL.

The only way the NFL can delay that outcome is to do everything it can to improve its officiating function before someone else forces them to do it.
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Corrente is just the worst...
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The All-22 shows that several Steelers were lined up offside on the attempted field-goal...............begs the question of how all of the refs missed not one, but all of those responsible................unless they weren't supposed to.
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That game was rigged from the beginning.

Did you checkout the number of penalties on the Bears vs Steelers and the timing of some of those penalties? Of course after the Rams/Saints NFCCG a few yrs ago, this is to be expected.
 
paycheck71 said:
Corrente is just the worst...
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Crook

Added for context and I didn't have a dog in the Bears/Steelers game. One thing that should be obvious to any sane person, one should never bet on an NFL game lest they fall victim to the old addage of a fool and his $$$$ soon parting.
 
I don't think the game was actually rigged, as in a organized plan to rig a games outcome. I do think the NFL is an incompetent organization that either can't or won't fix it's problems and does make decisions that keep this incompetency in place. Indirectly, this does affect the outcomes of games however.

So whether you think it's a plan, or just a horribly run organization, the outcome is still the same. Players and coaches alone don't affect the outcome of game, you have that 3rd party, "the officials", who also affect the outcome. And that's bad, very bad. If the players and coaches alone can not determine the outcome of the game without a 3rd party having input then there's no use in pretending confidence in the outcome of the games.
 
All NFL players are equal..............some are just more equal than others..............when it comes to potential negative effects on NFL revenues (not only as to relates to COVID protocol issues.

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Other teams are “outraged” by league’s handling of Packers, Aaron Rodgers
November 9, 2021, 9:40 PM EST


Jeff Pash and Mark Murphy must be pretty good friends.

That’s the conclusion some in the league are reaching after the NFL boiled multiple blatant and ongoing violations of the COVID protocol down to a single $14,650 fine for Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers and $300,000 for the team, a publicly-held corporation that can simply tuck the punishment onto one of the lines in the balance sheet, without it ever really hurting any one person.

Rodgers repeatedly violated COVID protocols by not wearing a mask during press conferences in the facility; the NFL now admits that. But the league claims the Packers should have been enforcing the protocols, and the league refuses to regard multiple violations as “repeat” violations. The Packers never fined Rodgers for the violations, and it presumably won’t do it now.

As one source put it on Tuesday night, “That’s bullshit.” If, for example, someone engages in shoplifting twice a week every week for eight weeks, the person has committed 16 violations of the shoplifting laws. There should be 16 penalties.
Rodgers, however, got one penalty — for attending the team’s Halloween party. And the prior violations will go unpunished. Given that multiple teams faced multiple punishments last year (the Saints eventually lost a 2022 sixth-round draft pick), it comes off as favoritism for the Packers.

It’s also potentially an effort by the league to brush under the rug that fact that it knew or should have known that Rodgers repeatedly was violating the press-conference mask protocol and doing nothing about it. Ultimately, it became an issue only because he tested positive for COVID, and his true status came to light.

The league insists that the team has the primary obligation to enforce the COVID protocols. The COVID protocols aren’t nearly that specific; the league has the power to do it, too. As evidenced by the fact that the league, not the team, fined Rodgers for attending the Halloween party.

What if he hadn’t tested positive at all in 2021? He would have violated protocol a couple of times per week, every single week, and nothing ever would have been done about it.
 
Thorn said:
I don't think the game was actually rigged, as in a organized plan to rig a games outcome. I do think the NFL is an incompetent organization that either can't or won't fix it's problems and does make decisions that keep this incompetency in place. Indirectly, this does affect the outcomes of games however.

So whether you think it's a plan, or just a horribly run organization, the outcome is still the same. Players and coaches alone don't affect the outcome of game, you have that 3rd party, "the officials", who also affect the outcome. And that's bad, very bad. If the players and coaches alone can not determine the outcome of the game without a 3rd party having input then there's no use in pretending confidence in the outcome of the games.
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I don’t know, throwing a hip check into a player sure makes things awfully suspicious.

There’s always been bad officiating. I mean, humans are going to miss calls. It happens. But lately it seems those calls have been a lot more egregious. Holding calls, offensive and defensive, that have the broadcasters scratching their heads. The last couple of weeks or so I’ve even heard the replay review guy they go to question some of the calls.

It’s bad enough right now to where you can legitimately question whether the game is rigged or not, and that’s not a good thing. Conspiracy theories are usually ignorant overreactions, but when it’s bad enough to where you can legitimize the conspiracy, then you’ve got problems.

Baseball can fix a lot of their problems with an automated strike zone. I don’t know how the NFL fixes their problems.
 
Speedy said:
I don’t know, throwing a hip check into a player sure makes things awfully suspicious.

There’s always been bad officiating. I mean, humans are going to miss calls. It happens. But lately it seems those calls have been a lot more egregious. Holding calls, offensive and defensive, that have the broadcasters scratching their heads. The last couple of weeks or so I’ve even heard the replay review guy they go to question some of the calls.

It’s bad enough right now to where you can legitimately question whether the game is rigged or not, and that’s not a good thing. Conspiracy theories are usually ignorant overreactions, but when it’s bad enough to where you can legitimize the conspiracy, then you’ve got problems.

Baseball can fix a lot of their problems with an automated strike zone. I don’t know how the NFL fixes their problems.
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Let me clarify then. I don't think the NFL as an organization is orchestrating this, but that doesn't mean individuals that work for the NFL aren't.

However, the NFL is most certainly guilty of letting this happen by their non-action in correcting these problems.

Since the NFL is now in bed with gambling this is going to get a lot worse until it's corrected.
 
Thorn said:
Let me clarify then. I don't think the NFL as an organization is orchestrating this, but that doesn't mean individuals that work for the NFL aren't.

However, the NFL is most certainly guilty of letting this happen by their non-action in correcting these problems.

Since the NFL is now in bed with gambling this is going to get a lot worse until it's corrected.
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People are starting to come around to the realization that the NFL is rigged.

If the NBA is rigged and I don't think there's any debate about this, then after seeing things like the Rams/Saints and Monday Nights game then there's little doubt the NFL'S also rigged.

The NFL is doing what the NBA has done. They send a certain set of officiating crews to games they want rigged so the NFL gets the outcome they want.
 
Sam Darnold has been diagnosed with a scapular (shoulder blade fracture). This is a very unusual fracture...........a fracture I've only seen after a serious car accident.
 
steelbtexan said:
People are starting to come around to the realization that the NFL is rigged.

If the NBA is rigged and I don't think there's any debate about this, then after seeing things like the Rams/Saints and Monday Nights game then there's little doubt the NFL'S also rigged.

The NFL is doing what the NBA has done. They send a certain set of officiating crews to games they want rigged so the NFL gets the outcome they want.
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It's an interesting concept. And if it is ever truly revealed at any level, I'm not sure I can watch the NFL anymore, much less root for a local team that we know will NEVER get the calls or shown any favoritism.

The vast amounts of money with the gambling connection is certainly one that invites suspicion, distrust, and skepticism about the so-called "integrity of the shield". And understanding human nature, and in particular the lure of greed, it's not a subject that can easily be dismissed or ignored by any critically thinking person.
 
Thorn said:
Let me clarify then. I don't think the NFL as an organization is orchestrating this, but that doesn't mean individuals that work for the NFL aren't.

However, the NFL is most certainly guilty of letting this happen by their non-action in correcting these problems.

Since the NFL is now in bed with gambling this is going to get a lot worse until it's corrected.
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As an organization, you're probably correct. Otherwise, why would the organization (NFL) favor the Steelers over the much MUCH bigger market Bears?

Individuals however, well, if you've got money on the Steelers.......
 
LA, NY, Chicago, and Dallas never win yet the game is rigged in favor of big market teams the league prefers..

Instead we get Kansas City, MO and Tampa Bay, FL..
 
Mollywhopper said:
LA, NY, Chicago, and Dallas never win yet the game is rigged in favor of big market teams the league prefers..

Instead we get Kansas City, MO and Tampa Bay, FL..
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When gambling enters any picture involving sports, all predictability takes a leave. A question that needs to be taken into consideration. Does a gambler make more money betting on the expected winner.............or the expected loser that wins?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
When gambling enters any picture involving sports, all predictability takes a leave. A question that needs to be taken into consideration. Does a gambler make more money betting on the expected winner.............or the expected loser that wins?
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That has nothing to do with a league organized determining of outcomes..

If you're arguing that players or refs can be influenced then sure, we've seen that elsewhere. But that's not a systemic top-down affair.
 
Mollywhopper said:
That has nothing to do with a league organized determining of outcomes..

If you're arguing that players or refs can be influenced then sure, we've seen that elsewhere. But that's not a systemic top-down affair.
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Yep. I don't buy that the NFL itself is somehow scripting games in the same way that 'pro' wrestling does. I say this for a lot of reasons, primarily the lack of any sort of compelling whistleblower evidence. Someone would eventually spill the beans at some point.

But, like you, I do think individuals could be influenced to the point of using their power to try to change outcomes. And if it were possible, the first place I'd try is with the officials.

I went down a Quora rabbit hole recently after listening to a former player swear that games are scripted. There are some very interesting, and actually fairly deep, conversations about this subject out there.
 
Looking at the replay, it is evident to me that Jones intentionally twisted Burns' ankle.

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Brian Burns says an apology would be nice, but Mac Jones declines to apologize
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 10, 2021, 4:55 PM EST


Panthers defensive end Brian Burns wants Patriots quarterback Mac Jones to apologize for grabbing and twisting Burns’ ankle on Sunday, but Jones won’t do it.

Burns said today that he thinks Jones ought to say he’s sorry.

“It would be nice to have an apology,” Burns said. “Mac, it would be nice to have an apology. But it’s not gonna happen.”

Burns was proven right shortly after that when a reporter relayed Burns’ comments to Jones, and Jones declined to apologize.

“I already addressed that situation. I’m just looking forward to playing in this game with the guys we have on our team this week, so we’re already kind of moving forward,” Jones said.

Burns said he’s not concerning himself about whether the NFL fines Jones, but he is wishing good luck to other defensive ends who face Jones this season.

“However the NFL handles it is on them. I would just like to play them again. And I wish all my fellow D-end brothers happy hunting.”
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep. I don't buy that the NFL itself is somehow scripting games in the same way that 'pro' wrestling does. I say this for a lot of reasons, primarily the lack of any sort of compelling whistleblower evidence. Someone would eventually spill the beans at some point.

But, like you, I do think individuals could be influenced to the point of using their power to try to change outcomes. And if it were possible, the first place I'd try is with the officials.

I went down a Quora rabbit hole recently after listening to a former player swear that games are scripted. There are some very interesting, and actually fairly deep, conversations about this subject out there.
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Can you say the same about the NBA?

If you think the NBA is scripting games, then what makes you think that the NFL wouldn't be doing the same? Particularly after watching the Saints/Rams game and Monday Nights game. There have been many more games like this than meet the eye. How do the refs miss 4 Steelers offside on the GW FG? Answer: They dont. They're doing as instructed.
 
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If this had been called offsides with the Texans attempting to defend a FG this forum would've caved under the weight of the b*tch*ng..

But no, it's actually supposed to be evidence the league is scripting football games..

ok.
 
Mollywhopper said:
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If this had been called offsides with the Texans attempting to defend a FG this forum would've caved under the weight of the b*tch*ng..

But no, it's actually supposed to be evidence the league is scripting football games..

ok.
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It's the internet, where conspiracy theories live long lives.
 
steelbtexan said:
Can you say the same about the NBA?

If you think the NBA is scripting games, then what makes you think that the NFL wouldn't be doing the same? Particularly after watching the Saints/Rams game and Monday Nights game. There have been many more games like this than meet the eye. How do the refs miss 4 Steelers offside on the GW FG? Answer: They dont. They're doing as instructed.
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I don't watch the NBA so it's not something I can even speculate on.

With regards to football, the only place I could see it possibly happening is the bottleneck of officiating.

But, even then, the 'evidence' is not even close to supporting the concept of true scripting, meaning the NFL has per-determined outcomes.

We can clearly see players making plays and often teams just beat other teams in spite of bad calls.

Maybe there is some favoritism. It's clear that some QBs get better calls and protection from refs than others. If that is on purpose or not is anyone's guess, but as it pertains to actually scripting outcomes is not supported by a conclusive body of evidence.

What the NFL wants is money, and that revenue is driven by TV ratings. And since ratings are based on what the public wants to see, I can see the potential for the NFL to want its star QBs to win more than lose and even want those stars in the postseason. So in that regard, there is the potential for officiating to influence games in favor of those star players.

Gambling is the aspect that is going to really shed light on this stuff, because U.S. Congress is eventually going to get involved. The potential for gambling to influence the game is there, which is why the NFL avoided it for decades.

But there are too many eyes on the games and too many players/coaches/owners involved to believe in scripted outcomes without there being even one whistleblower by this point. JMO
 
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