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Caserio Trades Mark Ingram

TexansBull

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HERE IS THE ONE THING THAT WE DO KNOW ABOUT THE FILE CLERK. HE HAS A DECADE OF HISTORY SHOWING HIS MANAGEMENT SKILLS AND ABILITIES ARE LIMITED TO SETTING UP AN NFL DRAFT BOARD WITH SOME VERY BAD PLAYERS.
Actually we don’t know that.

We do know Bill Belicheck is the GM and it has been reported that he didn’t listen to his scouts and drafted whoever he wanted.

But hey - don’t let facts ruin a good lie.
 

76Texan

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Actually we don’t know that.

We do know Bill Belicheck is the GM and it has been reported that he didn’t listen to his scouts and drafted whoever he wanted.

But hey - don’t let facts ruin a good lie.
You're saying that Caserio has no track record?
That he has zero qualification to be a GM?
:thinking:
 

steelbtexan

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If he did have a plan it was a terrible, horrible, horrendous no good plan. So these players that the File Clerk has been accumulating, most of them have been cut or traded. That aside, the File Clerk is accumulating players for a new head coach in 2023 but the File Clerk has no idea who this new head coach and staff will be or the systems they will run? And you don't see a problem with this? What could possibly go wrong? What self respecting head coach would want to be a part of that and not have any say on the players he will coach? Is the File Clerk also going to be the ghost head coach?

HERE IS THE ONE THING THAT WE DO KNOW ABOUT THE FILE CLERK. HE HAS A DECADE OF HISTORY SHOWING HIS MANAGEMENT SKILLS AND ABILITIES ARE LIMITED TO SETTING UP AN NFL DRAFT BOARD WITH SOME VERY BAD PLAYERS.
Belichick ran that team and it really was Caserio behind the scenes calling the shots as you're inferring then I'm sure if Caserio was able to sit down and talk to you he would tell you to kiss his rings.

Get back to me in 2024 and we can talk about whether the rebuild was successful or not.

Right now, cap space doesn't matter and I'm of the belief that using late rd picks and pick swaps to move up and draft a guy you really want is a great way to do business, as well as signing FA's to 1-2 yr deals and trading them off for picks in the next draft while you're beginning a rebuild. Obviously with your background the cap is the most important thing and generally I would agree with you but not in this case at this stage of a rebuild.
 

steelbtexan

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The previous Astros G.M. Jeff Luhnow who was one of the best G.M.s in baseball (cheating scandal aside) and it still took him multiple seasons to turn it around. I don't care if you're the greatest G.M. in the history in sports. You aren't turning anything around in 1 season when your coming into a situation filled with a extreme lack of talent and draft resources the Texans had. Truth is, Nick and Culley are probably Ed Wade and Bo Porter and the people who are going to be here when this cluster**ck is fixed aren't even hired yet.
Quoted for truth
 

TexansBull

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You're saying that Caserio has no track record?
That he has zero qualification to be a GM?
:thinking:
No. I am saying we know what Texian is saying is false. It is his opinion what Caserio did during his tenure at New England. He states his opinion as fact when it isn’t. There have been articles posted to show that.

I do love reading your hyperboles and how you jump to assumptions what someone is saying though.
 

steelbtexan

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See my latest posts in this thread.


You clearly said that turn around can be done quickly; not only that, but also that the Texans will have plenty of draft picks and cap space to do so.
I didn't know Derrick was a Sexual Predator at the time or that the McNair's were going to force a trade of Hopkins etc.... at the time of that post.

Of course I dont posses your Nastradamus like visions. So there is that. BTW, I missed you giving me last nights winning Lotto numbers. So unfortunately I'm having to work so I've missed out on most of you drivel today. How do you feel about the Ingram trade?
 

steelbtexan

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No. I am saying we know what Texian is saying is false. It is his opinion what Caserio did during his tenure at New England. He states his opinion as fact when it isn’t. There have been articles posted to show that.

I do love reading your hyperboles and how you jump to assumptions what someone is saying though.
True

Not near as much as I like his ability to say thing such as Mariota is a franchise QB and use stats to back up his position. LMAO
 

Texian

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Belichick ran that team and it really was Caserio behind the scenes calling the shots as you're inferring then I'm sure if Caserio was able to sit down and talk to you he would tell you to kiss his rings.

Get back to me in 2024 and we can talk about whether the rebuild was successful or not.

Right now, cap space doesn't matter and I'm of the belief that using late rd picks and pick swaps to move up and draft a guy you really want is a great way to do business, as well as signing FA's to 1-2 yr deals and trading them off for picks in the next draft while you're beginning a rebuild. Obviously with your background the cap is the most important thing and generally I would agree with you but not in this case at this stage of a rebuild.
while visions of sugarplums danced in his head....
 

Mangler

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People want the team rebuilt (the right way) knowing damn well that the only way to do so is by getting as many draft picks as we possibly can, as the last “GM” thought he could build a successful team by trading draft picks AWAY, and signing below average players to massive contracts.

If you’re expecting this team to win and rebuild at the same time, you’ve gone full retard. Expect more trades from Caserio. No Texans player is off limits.
 

76Texan

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No. I am saying we know what Texian is saying is false. It is his opinion what Caserio did during his tenure at New England. He states his opinion as fact when it isn’t. There have been articles posted to show that.

I do love reading your hyperboles and how you jump to assumptions what someone is saying though.
I was just asking you a question.
Doesn't necessarily mean that I agreed with everything Texian said.

Maybe I should ask a better question like "how much you think Caserio play a part in the draft process when he was with the Patriots" since Belichik pretty much made all the decisions (that's what you said, right?).

The second question still stands.
"Was his experience enough to be a GM"?
 

76Texan

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I didn't know Derrick was a Sexual Predator at the time or that the McNair's were going to force a trade of Hopkins etc.... at the time of that post.

Of course I dont posses your Nastradamus like visions. So there is that. BTW, I missed you giving me last nights winning Lotto numbers. So unfortunately I'm having to work so I've missed out on most of you drivel today. How do you feel about the Ingram trade?
Please don't side track the matter at hand.
You said I shouldn't quote you on things you didn't say.
But I had just proved to you that I never did what you accused me of.

I only quote (or paraphrase) the thing(s) you said.

The content does not really matters.
 

steelbtexan

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I was just asking you a question.
Doesn't necessarily mean that I agreed with everything Texian said.

Maybe I should ask a better question like "how much you think Caserio play a part in the draft process when he was with the Patriots" since Belichik pretty much made all the decisions (that's what you said, right?).

The second question still stands.
"Was his experience enough to be a GM"?
I believe he got the draft info ready for BB and BB used it as he wished.

6 rings says yes. Who else could they have hired that had that much jewelry? Maybe they could've hired a guy like Polian, but I doubt he wanted to be a GM again.
 

76Texan

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I believe he got the draft info ready for BB and BB used it as he wished.

6 rings says yes. Who else could they have hired that had that much jewelry? Maybe they could've hired a guy like Polian, but I doubt he wanted to be a GM again.
Have you checked the Patriot's draft record of the last decade?

And please don't tell me Caserio deserves much of any credit in his early years when he was just an apprentice.
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
Hope you're wrong.

If you forced Derrick to play, he would just fake an injury. Ramsey style
Difference is Ramsey was at the end of his rookie deal, Watson extension hasn't started yet. There isn't a injury he can fake that will sideline him for an extended time to remain what he wants to do and thats play football. I'm not going to lay all this at Caserio feet, but they could've nipped this in the bud by playing hardball vs skating around it with empty coach speak. They could've been like he's our starter, give him the reps and make him play. They can still do that. If he refuses or fakes an injury, they could put him through those stress test and if the fake was that big, ir. Come back next season, same thing until he opened up a list of teams and I got what I wanted and some.
 

TexansBull

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I derived my opinion from Bob Kraft's corroborating comments about the File Clerk's FUBAR.
Once again for those in the back:


“In years past, the Patriots’ pre-draft process looked different from that of other teams and essentially saw the college scouts build the foundation throughout the year with Belichick and the coaching staff taking over from February on. At that point, most of the scouting department would be excluded with only a handful of its members still actively involved in the search for college talent between February and late April.”

“The Patriots have employed a “different approach” this year. My sense right now is that has translated inside the building in a more collaborative Belichick, who’s listening not just to his top guys, Dave Ziegler and Eliot Wolf, but also those rising through the organization, like national scout Matt Groh. Now, I don’t know if it’ll change the Patriots’ luck on draft day. Or if Belichick will pull back on it when we get there. But for now, it feels like a good positive step for them.”


What Kraft said:

“If you want to have a good, consistent, winning football team, you can’t do it in free agency. You have to do it through the draft,” Kraft said. “That’s when you’re able to get people of great talent — whether it’s Willie McGinest or Tom Brady — you get them at a price where you can build a team and be competitive. Once they get to their first contract, if they’re superstars, you can only balance so many of them.

“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years, and I really hope — and I believe — I’ve seen a different approach this year.”

Where does Kraft say specifically Caserio FUBARed the draft?
 

leebigeztx

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Yes and I’m sure the 20+ women had nothing to do with it, but sure you keep thinking it was Caserio being hired. Did a guy in a Patriots jersey run over your dog or something?
Honestly, I think it was the combination of Caserio hiring outside of the search firm recommendation, the fake think tank group, and most importantly Esterby. I mean Esterby can write a book on power moves and manipulation. He's Kaiser Soze. Think about the last press conference of Watson, when he stated people walking around with power. Cal hires this search firm to organize candidates for gm and they interviewed most of them. Then he and Esterby fly to NE , pick up Caserio, then he's hired. So basically the only gm who wouldn't fire him is his homie. That was the straw. If Cal had done what most teams do after a turnover is fire everyone and then let Caserio bring back or retain who he wants, that would've been different. Hiring Culley , don't know how to even register that one. If you brought a legit coach in and let him do coach like stuff, then confidence in the team is there,but when you basically pick all the coaches for the head coach, no say on who's active every week, all you have is a pawn falling on his sword.
 

cuppacoffee

Resident Grouch
You always have a very valid incite, especially when it comes to the cap management and what a good GM should be doing. Nick inherited a mess, front office is dysfunctional (Cal and Jack) it’s so important he gets the most for Watson and hits on those draft picks for the next 2 years. I have not given up on Nick, yet. Im hopefully he has a plan for a new coach and staff…

Lots of that going on around here.

:coffee:
 

sandman

Brexit Advisor
Once again for those in the back:


“In years past, the Patriots’ pre-draft process looked different from that of other teams and essentially saw the college scouts build the foundation throughout the year with Belichick and the coaching staff taking over from February on. At that point, most of the scouting department would be excluded with only a handful of its members still actively involved in the search for college talent between February and late April.”

“The Patriots have employed a “different approach” this year. My sense right now is that has translated inside the building in a more collaborative Belichick, who’s listening not just to his top guys, Dave Ziegler and Eliot Wolf, but also those rising through the organization, like national scout Matt Groh. Now, I don’t know if it’ll change the Patriots’ luck on draft day. Or if Belichick will pull back on it when we get there. But for now, it feels like a good positive step for them.”


What Kraft said:

“If you want to have a good, consistent, winning football team, you can’t do it in free agency. You have to do it through the draft,” Kraft said. “That’s when you’re able to get people of great talent — whether it’s Willie McGinest or Tom Brady — you get them at a price where you can build a team and be competitive. Once they get to their first contract, if they’re superstars, you can only balance so many of them.

“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years, and I really hope — and I believe — I’ve seen a different approach this year.”

Where does Kraft say specifically Caserio FUBARed the draft?
Shhhh! Don't destroy the narrative!
 

steelbtexan

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Please don't side track the matter at hand.
You said I shouldn't quote you on things you didn't say.
But I had just proved to you that I never did what you accused me of.

I only quote (or paraphrase) the thing(s) you said.

The content does not really matters.
Tell you what, I'm going to put you on ignore and you stop responding to me.

Maybe we can revisit talking again in a few months when hopefully you can learn about the meaning of the word CONTEXT. I had no idea that the Texans were going to lose 2 pro bowl level players due to their sexual deviant ways when I made that post and neither did you.

I will tell you what I was thinking/hoping at the time of that post, they had just drafted Howard/Scharping and traded for Tunsil. I thought with Hopkins/WFV and Derrick being well protected that the offense would be a SB caliber offense and that after sitting out this last draft (Not having a pick until the 3rd rd. Maybe trading up into the 2nd for 1 piece to add to the defense.) that they could rebuild the defense starting in the upcoming draft and with Watt coming off of the books they could also add a couple of premium piece to the defense in addition to to 2-3 more in the draft.

Obviously I didn't have your Nastradamus abilities to see how this would fall apart. Maybe you knew what POS the Texans had at all layers in the Texans org. (Ownership/FO/HC/Players) But I sure didn't have that ability at that time to make that call. In fact the only person who possibly could've had SOME of that info was Cal.

Life is to short to be spent visiting with pettiness.
 
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TexansBull

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Tell you what, I'm going to put you on ignore and you stop responding to me.

Maybe we can revisit talking again in a few months when hopefully you can learn about the meaning of the word CONTEXT. I had no idea that the Texans were going to lose 2 pro bowl level players due to their sexual deviant ways when I made that post and neither did you.

I will tell you what I was thinking/hoping at the time of that post, they had just drafted Howard/Scharping and traded for Tunsil. I thought with Hopkins/WFV and Derrick being well protected that the offense would be a SB caliber offense and that after sitting out this last draft (Not having a pick until the 3rd rd. Maybe trading up into the 2nd for 1 piece to add to the defense.) that they could rebuild the defense starting in the upcoming draft and with Watt coming off of the books they could also add a couple of premium piece to the defense in addition to to 2-3 more in the draft.

Obviously I didn't have your Mastradamus abilities to see how this would fall apart. Maybe you knew what POS the Texans had at all layers in the Texans org. (Ownership/FO/HC/Players) But I sure didn't have that ability at that time to make that call. In fact the only person who possibly could've had SOME of that info was Cal.

Life is to short to be spent visiting with pettiness.
If I wanted to be reminded of what I said years ago then what I meant by it then I would talk more to my wife.
 

steelbtexan

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Difference is Ramsey was at the end of his rookie deal, Watson extension hasn't started yet. There isn't a injury he can fake that will sideline him for an extended time to remain what he wants to do and thats play football. I'm not going to lay all this at Caserio feet, but they could've nipped this in the bud by playing hardball vs skating around it with empty coach speak. They could've been like he's our starter, give him the reps and make him play. They can still do that. If he refuses or fakes an injury, they could put him through those stress test and if the fake was that big, ir. Come back next season, same thing until he opened up a list of teams and I got what I wanted and some.
He doesn't want to play football for the Texans and he would've figured out a way not to play for the Texans. (BTW, I wish you were right the NFL would be much better off.)

What if Derrick was to truly get injured playing? Not to mention losing long time fans like me if Derrick plays another down for the Texans.
 

austins23

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People want the team rebuilt (the right way) knowing damn well that the only way to do so is by getting as many draft picks as we possibly can, as the last “GM” thought he could build a successful team by trading draft picks AWAY, and signing below average players to massive contracts.

If you’re expecting this team to win and rebuild at the same time, you’ve gone full retard. Expect more trades from Caserio. No Texans player is off limits.
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Hardcore Texan

Magnet Man
Tanking on purpose? Lol, we were picked to lose every single game before the season started and that was with a healthy Tyrod Taylor. Tanking on purpose, nope we just suck and there's not one single player who was on this roster week 1 who was/is going to make a significant difference in our win/loss outcome this year.. So you might as well make moves for the future and 30+ year old RBs don't have a future in the NFL, atleast not on our current rebuild timeline.

You know what tanking on purpose looks like? Trading away a HOF caliber WR in his prime straight up for a completely washed RB with zero heart. Although King Buffoon didn't know that's what that move was when he pulled the trigger, that's exactly what he did. You can't tank when you were already laying in the bottom of one to begin with.
Yes, tanking on purpose. 30+ year old RB's like Gore and Emmitt? I am not even arguing that, or anything so not sure why you are bringing up the travesties of OB here. The point was they should play the younger RB's, which you seem to agree.
 

Hardcore Texan

Magnet Man
I admit I have no idea what Caserio is thinking.

I'm just saying, if Nick Called the Saints & said, "What will you give me for Mark Ingram?" Then I could see coming to the conclusion that they're tanking on purpose. But if the Saints called because the Colts weren't giving up Marlon Mack... then I don't see this as part of a tank job.

But I'm also coming in with the belief that the tank couldn't be avoided. Especially not after Tyrod got hurt so early in the season.


I'd be surprised if Phillips isn't in the game Sunday. I'm not going to chastise them for not doing something they haven't had a chance to do. You said if they're going to gut the team, I'm assuming you mean trading Ingram... we haven't played a game since.
Yes, gutting the team way before this move is what I am saying and if that's the case why not play the younger RB? They are already playing the younger QB to see what he can do.
 

thunderkyss

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Maybe trading up into the 2nd for 1 piece to add to the defense.) that they could rebuild the defense starting in the upcoming draft and with Watt coming off of the books they could also add a couple of premium piece to the defense in addition to to 2-3 more in the draft.
it really didn’t take that much. Playing Blacklock &Greenard would have helped that defense. Low dollar journeyman LBs have replaced Whitney, McKinney, & Cunningham & are more productive.

ridiculous
 

JWTexans

Waterboy
Yes, tanking on purpose. 30+ year old RB's like Gore and Emmitt? I am not even arguing that, or anything so not sure why you are bringing up the travesties of OB here. The point was they should play the younger RB's, which you seem to agree.
You just named 2 of the greatest RBs of all time.
What about Peterson, Dickerson, Tomlinson, Dorsett, Bettis, OJ, Anderson, Alexander, Campbell, etc.? All GREAT RBs that fell off at around 30. Ingram isn’t allowed in the same conversation as ANY of those guys.
Yes you have your Smiths and Martins and Sanders and Paytons, but there are FAR more backs that have a huge drop at 30.
Ingram is averaging 3.2 ypc. It’s no great loss that he’s no longer a Texan. Getting SOMETHING/ANYTHING is the absolute right way to go, especially for a team that is going nowhere any time soon. It could be the last pick of the draft and the Mr. Irrelevant pick is still a better asset for this current team.
 

76Texan

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Tell you what, I'm going to put you on ignore and you stop responding to me.

Maybe we can revisit talking again in a few months when hopefully you can learn about the meaning of the word CONTEXT. I had no idea that the Texans were going to lose 2 pro bowl level players due to their sexual deviant ways when I made that post and neither did you.

I will tell you what I was thinking/hoping at the time of that post, they had just drafted Howard/Scharping and traded for Tunsil. I thought with Hopkins/WFV and Derrick being well protected that the offense would be a SB caliber offense and that after sitting out this last draft (Not having a pick until the 3rd rd. Maybe trading up into the 2nd for 1 piece to add to the defense.) that they could rebuild the defense starting in the upcoming draft and with Watt coming off of the books they could also add a couple of premium piece to the defense in addition to to 2-3 more in the draft.

Obviously I didn't have your Mastradamus abilities to see how this would fall apart. Maybe you knew what POS the Texans had at all layers in the Texans org. (Ownership/FO/HC/Players) But I sure didn't have that ability at that time to make that call. In fact the only person who possibly could've had SOME of that info was Cal.

Life is to short to be spent visiting with pettiness.
They lost two?
Who 's the second one?

As for Watson, like I said, Caserio will get back MORE for the cost of drafting him.
Caserio get into a 4-12 situation, which is better than 2-14.
As you had often said, only wins and losses matter.

MrTex doesn't have any problem whatsoever in owning up to his part (which is similar to yours).

I'm not putting Caserio out for anything this year.

MrTex has agreed to set a baseline next year, which is legitimately competing for a playoff spot.

BTW, the content of your post that I pulled up, like I said, doesn't matter.
I said I only pulled it up to show that I did quote you.
I didn't pull things out of thin air.
You made the accusation out of turn.
 

76Texan

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I answered your question. Pointed you to the data. Nothing really to talk about here so move along.
I said don't expect people to count the data of the previous decade, in Caserio's early years when he was but an apprentice.

The Pats' drafting record in the last decade was poor.
This was talked about by people who cover the Patriots.
 

76Texan

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I answered your question. Pointed you to the data. Nothing really to talk about here so move along.
More articles here:



I mean, they're everywhere.
 

banned1976

sleeper mode
Why are we acting like trading Mark Ingram was the straw that broke the camel's back on this season? He was on a 1-year contract and turning 32 before the season ends. The fact that Caserio improved the team's draft capital, even if it was a swap of later round picks, is a win.
So far Caserio has won nothing. I'm all for giving the guy a chance but there's nothing he, or anyone in the organization has done for any fan to chalk up a (premature) victory for the Texans. The player the Texans draft with the Ingram trade is much more likely to not make the team next year while Ingram has a real good chance of making a significant impact for the Saints. On the field and off it.

The whole "we're building a culture here" has been an insult to the intelligence of the fans and trading Ingram is just another reminder of how stupid and forgiving they think the Houston fan base is.
 
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leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
He doesn't want to play football for the Texans and he would've figured out a way not to play for the Texans. (BTW, I wish you were right the NFL would be much better off.)

What if Derrick was to truly get injured playing? Not to mention losing long time fans like me if Derrick plays another down for the Texans.
They don't care about you. I've told you that before. Have you seen the attendance this year? Its abysmal and it's going to get worse. Know why, because they don't have a clear plan, they're not trying to win, they have lied countless times, and Jack is a dark cloud over the over this organization. People hated Ozuna when he played for another team, but loved him in the Astros uni. Nobody except really you and a few would white flag it if Watson played. Guess what? Look at how many people are white flagging it vfc right now. Not to mention, NRG is coming up on 20 yrs old and we know what that means too.
 

steelbtexan

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They don't care about you. I've told you that before. Have you seen the attendance this year? Its abysmal and it's going to get worse. Know why, because they don't have a clear plan, they're not trying to win, they have lied countless times, and Jack is a dark cloud over the over this organization. People hated Ozuna when he played for another team, but loved him in the Astros uni. Nobody except really you and a few would white flag it if Watson played. Guess what? Look at how many people are white flagging it vfc right now. Not to mention, NRG is coming up on 20 yrs old and we know what that means too.
Yep, there are plans in the works to build another stadium.

Covid/Social issues are a couple of reasons attendance is down.

As for me I'm sitting this yr out because of Covid. I'm actually kind of enjoying watching the games amongst friends at home, rather than being out at the stadium.
 
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