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Caserio Trades Mark Ingram

Jack Burton

Veteran
Actually Caserio's lack of respect has been earned every day every month, the File Clerk did this all on own:

The Texans had the first HC opening and were the last to fill. Caserio's very first decision was to hire David Culley.

One of the first things Caserio did as Texans GM was to create $25MM in DEAD MONEY.

The result of taking a hatchet to the roster without thinking it through created not having enough money to fill out the 2021 roster.

In order to create enough money (restructuring every contract that could be restructured) Caserio had to borrow over $30MM from 2022 and 2023 to sign enough players to complete the 2021 roster.

He compounded the money mismanagement by signing players like David Johnson to $6MM contract.

In order to sign enough players, Caserio had to sign players at the end of their careers (looking for another NFL paycheck) to 1 and 2 year contracts to have enough money for a 53 man roster.

In essence he shuffled the chairs on the Titanic and it cost him $55MM to do it. $25MM in dead money and $30MM in restructuring.

In the process of all of this Caserio used draft picks to trade for four players that were cut. Players who would've been cut by the previous teams.

He started the draft with 8 picks, used an additional 2 picks from 2022 to draft 5 players.


As a result of Caserio's 2021 decisions he has also created $15MM in Dead Money in 2022. The 2022 salary cap is also $12MM less from 2021 restructuring. When you factor in additional dead money needed to trade Watson, cut Cunningham that's another $26MM subtracted from 2022 cap.

The 2022 salary cap begins with $56MM less than the full amount because of Caserio decisions.

The 2022 roster begins with 25 signed players. The projected Texans salary cap space to begin 2022 is $56MM. That's $56MM to sign 28 players to fill a 53 man roster.

Now I ask you, what makes you think that Caserio will be any different in 2022 than he was in 2021 when Nick has already said they plan to stay the course and keep doing what they have been doing?

IMO I think you can expect more of the same. The File Clerk being The File Clerk. Filling the 2022 roster will be more difficult and more expensive than the 2021 roster.
You should type up this sternly worded diatribe into a letter and mail it to The Houston Texans care of Nick Caserio.
And make sure to add,
“Now good day to you, Sir,
Sincerely, The Texian”
at the end.
 
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sandman

Brexit Advisor
Why are we acting like trading Mark Ingram was the straw that broke the camel's back on this season? He was on a 1-year contract and turning 32 before the season ends. The fact that Caserio improved the team's draft capital, even if it was a swap of later round picks, is a win.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
You should type up this sternly worded diatribe into a letter and mail it to The Houston Texans care of Nick Caserio.
And make sure to add,
“Now good day to you, Sir,
Sincerely, The Texian”
at the end.
......would it be completely inappropriate to include a black-n-white photo of himself executing the ol' leaping forward pass?
 

Mariotexan

Practice Squad
Actually Caserio's lack of respect has been earned every day every month, the File Clerk did this all on own:

The Texans had the first HC opening and were the last to fill. Caserio's very first decision was to hire David Culley.

One of the first things Caserio did as Texans GM was to create $25MM in DEAD MONEY.

The result of taking a hatchet to the roster without thinking it through created not having enough money to fill out the 2021 roster.

In order to create enough money (restructuring every contract that could be restructured) Caserio had to borrow over $30MM from 2022 and 2023 to sign enough players to complete the 2021 roster.

He compounded the money mismanagement by signing players like David Johnson to $6MM contract.

In order to sign enough players, Caserio had to sign players at the end of their careers (looking for another NFL paycheck) to 1 and 2 year contracts to have enough money for a 53 man roster.

In essence he shuffled the chairs on the Titanic and it cost him $55MM to do it. $25MM in dead money and $30MM in restructuring.

In the process of all of this Caserio used draft picks to trade for four players that were cut. Players who would've been cut by the previous teams.

He started the draft with 8 picks, used an additional 2 picks from 2022 to draft 5 players.


As a result of Caserio's 2021 decisions he has also created $15MM in Dead Money in 2022. The 2022 salary cap is also $12MM less from 2021 restructuring. When you factor in additional dead money needed to trade Watson, cut Cunningham that's another $26MM subtracted from 2022 cap.

The 2022 salary cap begins with $56MM less than the full amount because of Caserio decisions.

The 2022 roster begins with 25 signed players. The projected Texans salary cap space to begin 2022 is $56MM. That's $56MM to sign 28 players to fill a 53 man roster.

Now I ask you, what makes you think that Caserio will be any different in 2022 than he was in 2021 when Nick has already said they plan to stay the course and keep doing what they have been doing?

IMO I think you can expect more of the same. The File Clerk being The File Clerk. Filling the 2022 roster will be more difficult and more expensive than the 2021 roster.
2022 sounds even more rough…What about 2023 or maybe 2024? Nick is going for the all rookie team rebuild?
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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Why are we acting like trading Mark Ingram was the straw that broke the camel's back on this season? He was on a 1-year contract and turning 32 before the season ends. The fact that Caserio improved the team's draft capital, even if it was a swap of later round picks, is a win.
If we're talking about swapping our 5th & 6th for their 3rd & 4th, maybe.

But I'm sure our 5th & 6th will have more value than their 5th & 6th.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
2022 sounds even more rough…What about 2023 or maybe 2024? Nick is going for the all rookie team rebuild?
That's actually the best route when trying to clean the slate and start a complete rebuild. 2021 was shuffling and adding bodies to fill out a roster in the event Watson changed his mind and wanted to suit up and play.....and a backup plan should Watson stay the course with his demand of being traded.

As we can all see, the backup plan is no longer the backup plan and is now the primary plan of action. I'm certain Caserio is taking calls from any and all interested parties. His 2021 rookie class is probably off-limits and maybe another 4-5 players. The biggest part of the roster turnover could begin at the Trade Deadline and be completed at the beginning of the 2022 Off-Season.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
it can be. Just b/c we flipped a RB that wasn’t long for this teams future anyway doesn’t change that.

I’m not in the camp you’re linking me with Steelb. For me The turnaround/rebuild under NC started when he took over & I look at the sum total of his moves as overall good. Got rid of some bad contracts and players. Obviously not a complete purge like we all wanted, but nothing has really been lost by not doing that all this year. He also looks to have had a decent draft ……..with what he had to work with. & he has positioned us next year with good cap space to work with and some young talent to build on…although we need to add on to that…& the upcoming draft can help with that.
So do you have a certain time table for us?
Competing for a playoff spot next year should be the minimum goal, right?
As in barely passable. C-

Getting a playoff spot next year should be a realistic goal, right?
C+

Winning a playoff game.
B+

Getting to the divisional round.
A

Something like that?
Getting to the AFCG.
A+
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
2022 sounds even more rough…What about 2023 or maybe 2024? Nick is going for the all rookie team rebuild?
Pretty much, by then Cooks and Tunsil will be gone (likely without compensation). So come 2023 and 2024 Texans will be at point that they could have been in 2022 if they had someone who knew what they were doing.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
You should type up this sternly worded diatribe into a letter and mail it to The Houston Texans care of Nick Caserio.
And make sure to add,
“Now good day to you, Sir,
Sincerely, The Texian”
at the end.
BTW......Here is an updated version:

Caserio FUBARS Extraordinaire:


1/7 - Texans hire Nick Caserio. Refuses to consider college coaches in narrowing search and field of expertise for new HC.
Jan thru Apr Caserio refuses to take calls from any teams about Deshaun Watson
1/27 - Caserio hires David Culley first opening, last hire. Caserio's first hire is the worst HC hire in 2021.
2/12 - Texans release JJ Watt
3/2 - Resigns David Johnson to a $6MM contract.

3/11 - Caserio restructures Cooks contract. borrows $2.5MM from 2022, 2023, 2024 ($7.5MM). Restructure also cancels last year of contract. Cooks contract now expires after 2022 season.

3/20 -Caserio restructures Tunsil contract. By borrowing $10MM from future caps ($5MM 2022; $5MM 2023)

3/22 - Caserio trades for Shaq Lawson restructures contract, then trades Lawson to Jets, creates $1.8MM in Dead Cap.

3/23 - Caserio trades for Ryan Izzo. 8/31 Caserio cuts Izzo.
Caserio trades for Ryan Finley. 5/24 - Caserio cuts Finley

3/24 - Caserio restructures Mercilus contract. 10/19 - Caserio cuts Mercilus creating $7MM dead cap in 2022

3/30 - Caserio restructures Cunningham 4 year contract. Borrows $5.6MM from 2022, 2023, 2024. Likely cut/traded before 2022 season.

4/29 - NFL Draft. Caserio uses (8) 2021 draft picks and (2) 2022 draft picks to draft (5) players.

7/26 - Caserio trades for Anthony Miller. 10/6 - Caserio cuts Miller

9/9 - Caserio trades Roby to Saints, restructuring contract to eat $8.9MM in salary ($4.8MM in 2022). Value of 2nd rd pick, only gets a 3rd rd pick.

Nick Caserio has created over $37MM in 2021 dead cap money. As a result Caserio had to restructure (5) contracts to create over $35MM in order to sign a bunch of over 30 year olds to 1 year contracts in order to fill the roster.

Caserio has already created over $15MM in dead cap in 2022. Additionally reduced the 2022 salary cap by another $10MM+ from restructuring. 2022 dead cap money needed to trade Watson $16MM, to trade/cut Cunningham $12MM. $15MM + $10MM + $26MM = Caserio responsible for $51MM in reduction of 2022 salary cap.

Texans only have 27 players under contract in 2022, that's 10 players less than the avg team.


This is a mess, a clown show, a dumpster fire, absence of intelligent thought, lacking common sense and logic. An exercise in buffoonery, Tom Foolery, menopause brain, lacking in basic skills in accounting and economics.

STAY TUNED.......DEVELOPING.......
 
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Texian

Hall of Fame
You should type up this sternly worded diatribe into a letter and mail it to The Houston Texans care of Nick Caserio.
And make sure to add,
“Now good day to you, Sir,
Sincerely, The Texian”
at the end.
Then there is this that can be added:

Texans started 2021 season with 54 contracts and $6MM OVER the cap.

If the Texans had made the following moves they would've been $48MM UNDER the cap. They would not of had to resort to mortgaging the future to the tune of OVER $35MM in contract restructuring, $37MM in Dead Cap in 2021 and would've added a 2nd rd draft pick.
B. McKinneyRelease$7.00m
D. JohnsonRelease$6.90m
Z. FultonRelease$3.00m
Du. JohnsonRelease$5.15m
B. DunnRelease$3.25m
B. CooksTrade$12.00m
J. WattRelease$17.50m
Total Saved$54.80m
 
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thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
Staff member
Contributor's Club
Winning a playoff game.
B+

Getting to the divisional round.
A
Winning a Wild Card game would get you to the divisional round, so it's the same thing. Should have the same grade.

If they get a bye the first week, that should be an A+ Winning that game (a Divisional game) would be extra credit.
 

sandman

Brexit Advisor
So do you have a certain time table for us?
Competing for a playoff spot next year should be the minimum goal, right?
As in barely passable. C-

Getting a playoff spot next year should be a realistic goal, right?
C+

Winning a playoff game.
B+

Getting to the divisional round.
A

Something like that?
Getting to the AFCG.
A+
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that resembled a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having to listen to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Why are we acting like trading Mark Ingram was the straw that broke the camel's back on this season? He was on a 1-year contract and turning 32 before the season ends. The fact that Caserio improved the team's draft capital, even if it was a swap of later round picks, is a win.
I think you're too easy.
Any GM can lure an old guy with money and then trade him for a pick swap.
Besides, before you can call anything a win, it must produce results.
Right now, it's still an investment that has yet to pay off.

Has Ingram brought any value to the Texans?
Or will it ends up with Culley losing the team? Some of the morale?

From what I heard from a number of people on this board, a low round pick swap (this one will probably mean the Texans get the Saints 6th for their 7th) is next to nothing.

So the whole thing may end up as a loss of good will with the remaining players?
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that resembled a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having to listen to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
No, all of that was based on MrTex and Steelb's separate assertion that a turn-around can happen in two years.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Winning a Wild Card game would get you to the divisional round, so it's the same thing. Should have the same grade.

If they get a bye the first week, that should be an A+ Winning that game (a Divisional game) would be extra credit.
I wasn't sure with the new format how it all works from this year on.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Yeah, that it takes two years to turn things around to be competitive starting Year 3. I don't know anyone asserting that at the start of next season this team can/should be competing for playoff spots.
No, at least one of them brought up Jimmy Johnson.
Johnson gets the Cowboys to 7-9 in his second year.
That is competing for a playoff spot.

Also, 7 wins today may get a team into the playoff.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Yeah, that it takes two years to turn things around to be competitive starting Year 3. I don't know anyone asserting that at the start of next season this team can/should be competing for playoff spots.
One of them mentioned about teams with a quick turnaround among these:

 

Mariotexan

Practice Squad
Pretty much, by then Cooks and Tunsil will be gone (likely without compensation). So come 2023 and 2024 Texans will be at point that they could have been in 2022 if they had someone who knew what they were doing.
You always have a very valid incite, especially when it comes to the cap management and what a good GM should be doing. Nick inherited a mess, front office is dysfunctional (Cal and Jack) it’s so important he gets the most for Watson and hits on those draft picks for the next 2 years. I have not given up on Nick, yet. Im hopefully he has a plan for a new coach and staff…
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
You always have a very valid incite, especially when it comes to the cap management and what a good GM should be doing. Nick inherited a mess, front office is dysfunctional (Cal and Jack) it’s so important he gets the most for Watson and hits on those draft picks for the next 2 years. I have not given up on Nick, yet. Im hopefully he has a plan for a new coach and staff…
See post #113, that alone is enough to cause major concern. He clearly did not have a plan to hire his first new coach and staff. What makes you think he would have one now?
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
So do you have a certain time table for us?
Competing for a playoff spot next year should be the minimum goal, right?
As in barely passable. C-

Getting a playoff spot next year should be a realistic goal, right?
C+

Winning a playoff game.
B+

Getting to the divisional round.
A

Something like that?
Getting to the AFCG.
A+
exactly but on a year to year basis as in

next year- legit competing for a playoff spot…we likely fall short, but we shouldn’t be getting outright embarrassed like we have been this year.

year after that needs to be playoffs
Year after that winning a playoff game /deep playoff run.

next year SB or bust.


That’s the linear version everyone would like to see and hopes it happens like that, but it almost never does.

I just wanna see marked improvement from year to year & hope it comes together at some point by 2023-24
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
exactly but on a year to year basis as in

next year- legit competing for a playoff spot…we likely fall short, but we shouldn’t be getting outright embarrassed like we have been this year.

year after that needs to be playoffs
Year after that winning a playoff game /deep playoff run.

next year SB or bust.


That’s the linear version everyone would like to see and hopes it happens like that, but it almost never does.

I just wanna see marked improvement from year to year & hope it comes together at some point by 2023-24
So 8 wins next year?
That's probably the minimum to legitimately challenging for a playoff spot.
8 wins may or may not make it.
Or maybe in position to get into the playoffs in week 18 (game 17)?
 

JWTexans

Waterboy
I think you're too easy.
Any GM can lure an old guy with money and then trade him for a pick swap.
Besides, before you can call anything a win, it must produce results.
Right now, it's still an investment that has yet to pay off.

Has Ingram brought any value to the Texans?
Or will it ends up with Culley losing the team? Some of the morale?

From what I heard from a number of people on this board, a low round pick swap (this one will probably mean the Texans get the Saints 6th for their 7th) is next to nothing.

So the whole thing may end up as a loss of good will with the remaining players?
This team lost all the good will with the players and fans when DHop got traded for nothing…. But at least it was a whole lot of nothing.
 

JWTexans

Waterboy
Yeah, that it takes two years to turn things around to be competitive starting Year 3. I don't know anyone asserting that at the start of next season this team can/should be competing for playoff spots.
It’s going to be AT LEAST 3 years before this team legitimately competes for even a wild card. The damage done to this team from upper management and a disgruntled QB is far and away the most damage I can remember seeing to an organization in my 36 years of watching the NFL (not saying there hasn’t been, just that I don’t remember).
I really don’t care about pushing dead money to next year because they aren’t competing for anything but a high draft pick again next year. There is no savior at QB in this draft and you need a good one to compete for anything anyway. Next season is already lost. Culley is a lamedick coach and the players can see he isn’t the man for the job too.
So Caserio can keep trying to stockpile picks and trying to catch lightening in a bottle with some of the signings like Lindsay and maybe when we do start actually competing for something it won’t just be smoke and mirrors like our past playoff runs.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
exactly but on a year to year basis as in

next year- legit competing for a playoff spot…we likely fall short, but we shouldn’t be getting outright embarrassed like we have been this year.

year after that needs to be playoffs
Year after that winning a playoff game /deep playoff run.

next year SB or bust.


That’s the linear version everyone would like to see and hopes it happens like that, but it almost never does.

I just wanna see marked improvement from year to year & hope it comes together at some point by 2023-24
Exactly and alot of this depends on if Caserio can trade Derrick and for how much.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
So 8 wins next year?
That's probably the minimum to legitimately challenging for a playoff spot.
8 wins may or may not make it.
Or maybe in position to get into the playoffs in week 18 (game 17)?
my high end for them this year was 7..I think had Taylor stayed healthy they could’ve come close to that. But yeah 8 wins is about right.
 

Hardcore Texan

Magnet Man
So if the New Orleans Saints called you & asked for Mark Ingram, you'd have said, "Heck no, he's our ticket to the play offs."
No, I would cut him and give them to the Saints for free....oh wait we just did that with Mercilus and the packers.

I might would have hung on to him though for what is going to be... what, a 6th round pick? My point wasn't what would I do, it was that it's pretty obvious they are tanking on purpose, and that's something I despise. Also, if you are going to gut the team, put in the youngsters like Phillips and kick the tires.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
Staff member
Contributor's Club
it was that it's pretty obvious they are tanking on purpose, and that's something I despise.
I admit I have no idea what Caserio is thinking.

I'm just saying, if Nick Called the Saints & said, "What will you give me for Mark Ingram?" Then I could see coming to the conclusion that they're tanking on purpose. But if the Saints called because the Colts weren't giving up Marlon Mack... then I don't see this as part of a tank job.

But I'm also coming in with the belief that the tank couldn't be avoided. Especially not after Tyrod got hurt so early in the season.

if you are going to gut the team, put in the youngsters like Phillips and kick the tires.
I'd be surprised if Phillips isn't in the game Sunday. I'm not going to chastise them for not doing something they haven't had a chance to do. You said if they're going to gut the team, I'm assuming you mean trading Ingram... we haven't played a game since.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
I've never said that this could be turned around in 2 years since the Derrick fiasco began. I'm thinking 2024 at the earliest and that will take some luck.

Stop quoting me if you're gonna act in this manner.
See my latest posts in this thread.


You clearly said that turn around can be done quickly; not only that, but also that the Texans will have plenty of draft picks and cap space to do so.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
See my latest posts in this thread.


You clearly said that turn around can be done quickly; not only that, but also that the Texans will have plenty of draft picks and cap space to do so.
Looks like an Oops to me.
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
It definitely looks like we are tanking on purpose. The only RB that did remotely anything all year is traded. They better bring up Phillips, the other two can't make it past the LOS.
Tanking on purpose? Lol, we were picked to lose every single game before the season started and that was with a healthy Tyrod Taylor. Tanking on purpose, nope we just suck and there's not one single player who was on this roster week 1 who was/is going to make a significant difference in our win/loss outcome this year.. So you might as well make moves for the future and 30+ year old RBs don't have a future in the NFL, atleast not on our current rebuild timeline.

You know what tanking on purpose looks like? Trading away a HOF caliber WR in his prime straight up for a completely washed RB with zero heart. Although King Buffoon didn't know that's what that move was when he pulled the trigger, that's exactly what he did. You can't tank when you were already laying in the bottom of one to begin with.
 
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Texian

Hall of Fame
He had a plan

You just disagree with the plan. Culley is a placeholder while Caserio adds talent. In a couple of years there will be a new HC.
If he did have a plan it was a terrible, horrible, horrendous no good plan. So these players that the File Clerk has been accumulating, most of them have been cut or traded. That aside, the File Clerk is accumulating players for a new head coach in 2023 but the File Clerk has no idea who this new head coach and staff will be or the systems they will run? And you don't see a problem with this? What could possibly go wrong? What self respecting head coach would want to be a part of that and not have any say on the players he will coach? Is the File Clerk also going to be the ghost head coach?

HERE IS THE ONE THING THAT WE DO KNOW ABOUT THE FILE CLERK. HE HAS A DECADE OF HISTORY SHOWING HIS MANAGEMENT SKILLS AND ABILITIES ARE LIMITED TO SETTING UP AN NFL DRAFT BOARD WITH SOME VERY BAD PLAYERS.
 
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76Texan

Hall of Fame
Tanking on purpose? Lol, we were picked to lose every single game before the season started and that was with a healthy Tyrod Taylor. Tanking on purpose, nope we just suck and there's not one single player who was on this roster week 1 who was/is going to make a significant difference in our win/loss outcome this year.. So you might as well make moves for the future and 30+ year old RBs don't have a future in the NFL, atleast not on our current rebuild timeline.

You know what tanking on purpose looks like? Trading away a HOF caliber WR in his prime straight up for a completely washed RB with zero heart. Although King Buffoon didn't know that's what that move was when he pulled the trigger, that's exactly what he did. You can't tank when you were already laying in the bottom of one to begin with.
Uhm, they still have to "compete" with the likes of the Lions.
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
I know someone who would tell you a good GM could do it in a year.

Based on him being a high school QB.
The previous Astros G.M. Jeff Luhnow was one of the best G.M.s in baseball (cheating scandal aside) and it still took him multiple seasons to turn it around. I don't care if you're the greatest G.M. in the history of sports. You aren't turning anything around in 1 season when you're coming into a situation filled with a extreme lack of talent and draft resources the Texans had. Truth is, Nick and Culley are probably Ed Wade and Bo Porter and the people who are going to be here when this cluster**ck is fixed aren't even hired yet.
 
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