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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Just settle the suits. The police investigation would go away (I'm sure the wink wink would be there with the accusers) and you can be traded. You take the PR hit now...but could recover later. Teams don't care unless there is a criminal investigation.
 

The Pencil Neck

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Just settle the suits. The police investigation would go away (I'm sure the wink wink would be there with the accusers) and you can be traded. You take the PR hit now...but could recover later. Teams don't care unless there is a criminal investigation.
To my understanding, that's not how it works in Texas. With sexual assault cases, because there is so often harrassment involved, the police continue their investigation even if the accuser changes their mind. Never mind the fact that the FBI is involved and that this isn't just a local case that can be easily swept under the rug.
 

djohn2oo8

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maverick512000

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Makes you wonder how tone deaf and in denial is his inner circle.

On one hand, you have observers saying they are living their lives, feels he did nothing wrong and have the right to post whatever pictures they want.

On the other hand, they have to realize the nature of the allegations, public perception and all the drama that will come with his every move. I'm sure she has hundreds of photos to share and that is what she posts? Talk about tone deaf and not reading the room. When you're in a hole, stop digging. SMDH.
Innocent or guilty anyone else that had this many accusers would be sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial or at best out on bail and told "don't be where we can't find you fast". These two are on some beach living it up. Yeah not going get much support or sympathy from most people for that.
 

maverick512000

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Nope not how it works. The DA’s office will not drop it. Unless it’s no billed by a GJ
Reality is that if all the accusers dropped the charges and suddenly became possibly hostile witnesses I don't see the DA's office continuing to go down this rabbit hole unless its an air tight case which it won't be. As far as the FBI goes maybe I missed something but I thought it was Hardin that said the FBI was investigating one of the women to see if her first contact for settlement would qualify as extortion. I know it has been mention a couple of times on here that Watson flying somebody out COULD be viewed as trafficking but that would be a very hard case to make and one that Hardin could poke holes in pretty easily.
 

Corrosion

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Reality is that if all the accusers dropped the charges and suddenly became possibly hostile witnesses I don't see the DA's office continuing to go down this rabbit hole unless its an air tight case which it won't be. As far as the FBI goes maybe I missed something but I thought it was Hardin that said the FBI was investigating one of the women to see if her first contact for settlement would qualify as extortion. I know it has been mention a couple of times on here that Watson flying somebody out COULD be viewed as trafficking but that would be a very hard case to make and one that Hardin could poke holes in pretty easily.

As I said before , the FBI part of this is his use of the internet to acquire his victims.

Harden was doing media damage control when he made the extortion comments and that , again pissed off the accusers just like when he called them all liars.
 

djohn2oo8

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Reality is that if all the accusers dropped the charges and suddenly became possibly hostile witnesses I don't see the DA's office continuing to go down this rabbit hole unless its an air tight case which it won't be. As far as the FBI goes maybe I missed something but I thought it was Hardin that said the FBI was investigating one of the women to see if her first contact for settlement would qualify as extortion. I know it has been mention a couple of times on here that Watson flying somebody out COULD be viewed as trafficking but that would be a very hard case to make and one that Hardin could poke holes in pretty easily.
Again they cannot drop the charges. Grand jury testimony is conducted in secret so they would have no reason not to testify. Why would they become hostile if Watson has refused to pay a dime up until this point? Hardin has called them liars on multiple occasions. That’s not going to convince anyone not to testify.
 

thunderkyss

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Nope not how it works. The DA’s office will not drop it. Unless it’s no billed by a GJ
If you could find any examples where the DA has continued after the witnesses remove their complaint, I'd appreciate it. I can't imagine a DA wanting to go to trial having to treat his witness as hostile.

I'm sure it's happened before, but I don't believe I've ever seen or heard of it in a Sexual Assault, Abuse, or even a domestic abuse case.
 

sandman

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As I said before , the FBI part of this is his use of the internet to acquire his victims.

Harden was doing media damage control when he made the extortion comments and that , again pissed off the accusers just like when he called them all liars.
I thought they were involved because the soliciting crossed state lines and they have interstate jurisdiction?
 

djohn2oo8

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If you could find any examples where the DA has continued after the witnesses remove their complaint, I'd appreciate it. I can't imagine a DA wanting to go to trial having to treat his witness as hostile.

I'm sure it's happened before, but I don't believe I've ever seen or heard of it in a Sexual Assault, Abuse, or even a domestic abuse case.
I’ll have to look for that. In the meantime it’s an article about how difficult it is to drop a complaint once a DA’s office has accepted a charge of sexual assault
 

maverick512000

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Again they cannot drop the charges. Grand jury testimony is conducted in secret so they would have no reason not to testify. Why would they become hostile if Watson has refused to pay a dime up until this point? Hardin has called them liars on multiple occasions. That’s not going to convince anyone not to testify.
Did you not read what I wrote? Stop banging the drum and listen to what I'm saying. If Watson settles and pays them off, then they can drop the civil case. Yes grand jury maybe secret but trials are not so that could be the first reason to refuse to testify. You keep talking about the Grand Jury as though thats all it would take which is really weird because you should know that grand juries don't mean anything. All they are is a dress rehearsal for a prosecutor so they don't get in a trial and get absolutely destroyed. If Watson pays them and they sign a NDA then most likely most of the women would say thats enough because I promise you they are tired of being dragged through this as well. All this would make them hostile witnesses and yes a judge can order them to testify but judges very, very rarely do that because then the testimony is in doubt and you have an impeachable witness which on a sexual assault case is pretty the death blow to the case.

Geeze man get off the soap box, stop watching Perry Mason and look at this case in terms of the real world. It absolutely boggles my mind that Watson has still refused to settle, and I'm sure it does Hardin's and Buzzbee's as well, because the odds are better than average that if he did this would go away inside a year.
 

djohn2oo8

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Did you not read what I wrote? Stop banging the drum and listen to what I'm saying. If Watson settles and pays them off, then they can drop the civil case. Yes grand jury maybe secret but trials are not so that could be the first reason to refuse to testify. You keep talking about the Grand Jury as though thats all it would take which is really weird because you should know that grand juries don't mean anything. All they are is a dress rehearsal for a prosecutor so they don't get in a trial and get absolutely destroyed. If Watson pays them and they sign a NDA then most likely most of the women would say thats enough because I promise you they are tired of being dragged through this as well. All this would make them hostile witnesses and yes a judge can order them to testify but judges very, very rarely do that because then the testimony is in doubt and you have an impeachable witness which on a sexual assault case is pretty the death blow to the case.

Geeze man get off the soap box, stop watching Perry Mason and look at this case in terms of the real world. It absolutely boggles my mind that Watson has still refused to settle, and I'm sure it does Hardin's and Buzzbee's as well, because the odds are better than average that if he did this would go away inside a year.
Again. You keep talking in circles. It doesn’t matter if Watson pays them off or not. You aren’t listening. You have multiple women who HAVE NOT filed lawsuits for monetary damage. The STATE OF TEXAS is the one who prosecutes a criminal case, so even if the victims wanted to drop the case THEY CANNOT once a police report is filed. If you think they can, find me the Texas statute that says they can. The prosecutor is the one who makes that call
 
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steelbtexan

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Innocent or guilty anyone else that had this many accusers would be sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial or at best out on bail and told "don't be where we can't find you fast". These two are on some beach living it up. Yeah not going get much support or sympathy from most people for that.
The privilege of wealth that the McNair's have him. Then he asks for a trade 6 months after he acquires generational wealth.

Yep, not gonna get much sympathy from the city of Houston.
 

maverick512000

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Again. You keep talking in circles. It doesn’t matter if Watson pays them off or not. You aren’t listening. You have multiple women who HAVE NOT filed lawsuits for monetary damage. The STATE OF TEXAS is the one who prosecutes a criminal case, so even if the victims wanted to drop the case THEY CANNOT once a police report is filed. If you think they can, find me the Texas statute that says they can. The prosecutor is the one who makes that call
Good article that’s states what happens if a victim disobeys a subpoena or is afraid to testify https://brettpodolsky.com/constitutional-rights/forced-to-testify-as-a-witness
In the stated article above a victim must call in a specific category to be excused from a subpoena.

:brickwall::brickwall::brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:

I give up, you are just flat out not listening to anything anyone says. You keep beating the drum about grand juries and can't drop the charges. No one, particularly me, has ever said that the accusers can drop the charges but the DA can and if suddenly almost all his witnesses drop their civil cases and become possibly hostile witnesses he/she/they has a VERY good reason to drop those charges. Its like you think this is some lawyer movie or TV show, this is the real world and DA 9 out of 10 times don't follow through on a case unless they are sure to win. Their not after justice they are after promotions.
 

steelbtexan

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Did you not read what I wrote? Stop banging the drum and listen to what I'm saying. If Watson settles and pays them off, then they can drop the civil case. Yes grand jury maybe secret but trials are not so that could be the first reason to refuse to testify. You keep talking about the Grand Jury as though thats all it would take which is really weird because you should know that grand juries don't mean anything. All they are is a dress rehearsal for a prosecutor so they don't get in a trial and get absolutely destroyed. If Watson pays them and they sign a NDA then most likely most of the women would say thats enough because I promise you they are tired of being dragged through this as well. All this would make them hostile witnesses and yes a judge can order them to testify but judges very, very rarely do that because then the testimony is in doubt and you have an impeachable witness which on a sexual assault case is pretty the death blow to the case.

Geeze man get off the soap box, stop watching Perry Mason and look at this case in terms of the real world. It absolutely boggles my mind that Watson has still refused to settle, and I'm sure it does Hardin's and Buzzbee's as well, because the odds are better than average that if he did this would go away inside a year.
That still wouldn't solve the FBI issues. If the FBI brings charges then the 3rd string QB is cooked. The FBI has a 95 percent conviction rate.
 

Corrosion

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I thought they were involved because the soliciting crossed state lines and they have interstate jurisdiction?

No, that's really petty stuff "he flew in a masseuse" .. its the internet crimes that got the Feds involved. Use of the internet to procure his victims.

I posted it a couple weeks ago in this thread.


Here's a bit from the FBI website on the matter:

Internet Fraud — FBI

Internet Fraud
Internet fraud is the use of Internet services or software with Internet access to defraud victims or to otherwise take advantage of them. Internet crime schemes steal millions of dollars each year from victims and continue to plague the Internet through various methods. Several high-profile methods include the following:
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Worth reviewing:

***********************************************************************************************

Sexual Violence Myths & Misconceptions

MythArt


MYTH: Victims cause the violence that has happened to them
FACT: It doesn’t matter what someone is wearing or how they are acting, no one asks to be raped. People who sexually assault often use force, threat, or injury. An absence of injuries does not indicate the victim consented.

MYTH: There is no reason for a victim not to report being raped to law enforcement
FACT: Rape is the least reported and convicted violence crime in the U.S. There are many reasons why victims may choose not to report to law enforcement or tell anyone about what happened to him/her. Some include:
  • concern for not being believed
  • fear of the attackers getting back at him/her
  • embarrassment or shame
  • fear of being blamed
  • pressure from others not to tell
  • distrust of law enforcement
  • belief that there is not enough evidence
  • desire to protect the attacker
MYTH: Victims provoke sexual assaults when they dress provocatively or act in a promiscuous manner.
FACT: Rape and sexual assault are crimes of violence and control that stem from a person’s determination to exercise power over another. Forcing someone to engage in non-consensual sexual activity is sexual assault, regardless of the way that person dresses or acts.

MYTH: If a person goes to someone’s room, house, or goes to a bar, he/she assumes the risk of sexual assault. If something happens later, he/she can’t claim that he/she was raped or sexually assaulted because he/she should have known not to go to those places.
FACT: This “assumption of risk” wrongfully places the responsibility of the offender’s actions with the victim. Even if a person went voluntarily to someone’s residence or room and consented to engage in some sexual activity, it does not serve as a blanket consent for all sexual activity.

MYTH: It’s not sexual assault if it happens after drinking or taking drugs.
FACT:Being under the influence of alcohol or drugs is not an invitation for non-consensual sexual activity. A person under the influence of drugs or alcohol does not cause others to assault him/her; others choose to take advantage of the situation and sexually assault him/her because he/she is in a vulnerable position.

MYTH: Most sexual assaults are committed by strangers. It’s not rape if the people involved knew each other.
FACT: Most sexual assaults and rapes are committed by someone the victim knows. Among victims aged 18 to 29, two-thirds had a prior relationship with the offender.

MYTH: Rape can be avoided if people avoid dark alleys or other “dangerous” places where strangers might be hiding or lurking.
FACT: Rape and sexual assault can occur at any time, in many places, to anyone.

MYTH: It’s only rape if the victim puts up a fight and resists.
FACT: There are many reasons why a victim of sexual assault would not fight or resist her attacker. She/he may feel that fighting or resisting will make her/his attacker angry, resulting in more severe injury.

MYTH: Sexual assault is often the result of miscommunication or a mistake.
FACT: Sexual assault is a crime, never simply a mistake. It does not occur due to a miscommunication between two people. Sexual assault is any unwanted sexual contact obtained without consent through the use of force, threat of force, intimidation, or coercion.

MYTH: Sexual assault won’t happen to me or to anyone I know.
FACT: Men, women and children of all ages, races, religions, and economic classes, and can be and have been, victims of sexual assault. Sexual assault occurs in rural areas, small towns and larger cities. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, a rape or attempted rape occurs every 5 minutes in the United States.

MYTH: Sexual assault is provoked by the victim’s actions, behaviors, or by the way they dress.
FACT: Sexual assault is NEVER the victim’s fault. Sexual assault is a violent attack on an individual, not a spontaneous crime of sexual passion. For a victim, it is a humiliating and degrading act. No one “asks” for or caused their assailant to commit a crime against them.

THE REST OF THE STORY
 

djohn2oo8

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:brickwall::brickwall::brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:

I give up, you are just flat out not listening to anything anyone says. You keep beating the drum about grand juries and can't drop the charges. No one, particularly me, has ever said that the accusers can drop the charges but the DA can and if suddenly almost all his witnesses drop their civil cases and become possibly hostile witnesses he/she/they has a VERY good reason to drop those charges. Its like you think this is some lawyer movie or TV show, this is the real world and DA 9 out of 10 times don't follow through on a case unless they are sure to win. Their not after justice they are after promotions.
And in the real world they aren’t dropping their cases. Not all, or almost all of them. You think hostile witness like it’s Law and Order SVU. And no that’s not reason enough for the DA to drop charges.
 

maverick512000

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And in the real world they aren’t dropping their cases. Not all, or almost all of them. You think hostile witness like it’s Law and Order SVU. And no that’s not reason enough for the DA to drop charges.
As @thunderkyss said show me any case that the DA prosecuted after the witnesses dropped their complaints. I'm not even asking you to show one that involved sexual assault, which is always hard to prosecute in the best of cases, or a rich celebrity whom we all know the rules work different for. Funny thing is I wish and hope you were right and that the pursuit of the truth was the driving factor and it would not stop until the truth is found but I've lived to long and seen to much to believe that. Fact is we don't even know what if any progress the HPD has made or if they are even really investigating. But sure keep believing what you believe about all this and that money and his celebrity status won't have any affect. There are recently posted birthday pictures in this very thread that say otherwise though.
 

djohn2oo8

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As @thunderkyss said show me any case that the DA prosecuted after the witnesses dropped their complaints. I'm not even asking you to show one that involved sexual assault, which is always hard to prosecute in the best of cases, or a rich celebrity whom we all know the rules work different for. Funny thing is I wish and hope you were right and that the pursuit of the truth was the driving factor and it would not stop until the truth is found but I've lived to long and seen to much to believe that. Fact is we don't even know what if any progress the HPD has made or if they are even really investigating. But sure keep believing what you believe about all this and that money and his celebrity status won't have any affect. There are recently posted birthday pictures in this very thread that say otherwise though.
Rusty Hardin confirmed Grand Jury subpoenas were being sent out to the accusers. Mark Berman reported a Grand Jury was being convened in his case. That’s the result of an active investigation in which we also know the DA’s office is also investigating. The FBI is also investigating. Prosecutors will present evidence to the GJ which more times than not leads to an indictment. The Feds don’t care about his celebrity status. Neither does the DA’s office. Remember you have 10 plus criminal complaints. Somebody isn’t getting charged overnight that takes time with the volume of accusations
 

djohn2oo8

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And the fact, what Corrosion posted is likely what the FBI is investigating him for, I would not want to be in his shoes. (Instagram DMs, text messages, plane ticket). They don’t get involved unless he’s a target and I’m more than sure they have already spoken to the victims.
 

thunderkyss

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In Assault cases the DA can proceed without cooperation. In the state of Texas. They’ll cooperate with the FBI and they’ll cooperate with the DA’s office.
But has it ever happened? How often? I believe the general thought is once the complainants withdraw, the DA most likely won't invest the time.

If something has changed, that's a good thing. & nice to know.

Still, even if the most likely scenario is the DA offering a settlement to keep him out of jail, then what?
 

steelbtexan

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But has it ever happened? How often? I believe the general thought is once the complainants withdraw, the DA most likely won't invest the time.

If something has changed, that's a good thing. & nice to know.

Still, even if the most likely scenario is the DA offering a settlement to keep him out of jail, then what?
He probably will have to admit to some sort of guilty in a plea bargain. Where does that leave the 3rd string QB and God'ell in regards to a suspension?
 

Dejaview

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Jilly Anais' Instagram Birthday Message to Watson.............

http://instagr.am/p/CTz95rirImd/ Hand in hand? Unless I'm missing something, looks more like hand deep in butt......
Wait, when was this photo taken? Recently? I mean if you are under investigation for murder why not post a photo of yourself taking target practice on a mannequin with a machine gun, lol. This is just insane if this is photo was taken after all the allegations.
 

steelbtexan

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Does the description of this forum say “Football talk only please” or not?

Maybe it’s just me but I think it’s past time to move this stupid thread to Non Sports. Nothing happening here but rehashing the same shit ad nauseam every 2 pages.
You're an authority on the above.

I'd I felt the same way you do about the 3rd string QB, I would want this thread locked/moved too

Fact is since he's still the 3rd string QB this thread is in the right section.

Why does this bother you so much? If you don't like the thread don't enter it.

But I think we all know why you feel the way you do. It would hurt my feelings too if I was a fan of this Pervert.

BTW, CnD put out new information that's new and has alot to do with what the future may hold for the 3rd string QB. So no, this only isn't rehashing old stuff.
 
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steelbtexan

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Wait, when was this photo taken? Recently? I mean if you are under investigation for murder why not post a photo of yourself taking target practice on a mannequin with a machine gun, lol. This is just insane if this is photo was taken after all the allegations.
Like I've been saying for yrs, he's not the brightest guy. Back then I was talking about his on field play. Now the truth is coming out in his personal life.
 

TexansBull

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He probably will have to admit to some sort of guilty in a plea bargain. Where does that leave the 3rd string QB and God'ell in regards to a suspension?
Can you plea “no contest”? Isn’t that settlement without saying innocent or guilty?

I saw it on Law and Order.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Can you plea “no contest”? Isn’t that settlement without saying innocent or guilty?

I saw it on Law and Order.
I posted this a while ago:
If Watson pleads no contest, he is telling the court I don't want to contest and is at that point not admitting guilt. But the no contest plea tells the court that Watson does not want to go to trial for the charge and allows the court to determine a punishment for the charge. The punishment would result in a criminal conviction on the Watson's record..............just as though he had pleaded guilty or been convicted after a trial.
 
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CloakNNNdagger

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Wait, when was this photo taken? Recently? I mean if you are under investigation for murder why not post a photo of yourself taking target practice on a mannequin with a machine gun, lol. This is just insane if this is photo was taken after all the allegations.
Watson posted this on his birthday............what Jilly DONE got him.............exactly just what one would want to see posted by someone getting paid millions to do nothing.
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