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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Watson is the only one in this case who lost his moral compass? Every woman who’s filed civil or criminal lawsuit against Watson operates their lives from a moral high ground?

Outside of “she said-he said little” there’s been no absolute evidence presented publicly except words of accusations. So, which group stands more firmly on the idea of moral high grounds hasn’t been proven in a court of law at this time.

I’m with Lucky on this one. I don’t think there’s any physical evidence to fall back on outside the first shake-down/blackmail move in this whole mess. Watson may be found guilty of a lesser charge. With no priors and solid community work in his background he probably gets some probation time, counseling, and community work. The civil cases would take a hit in this outcome and payouts, if awarded, may not be what Buzzbee and his clients were looking for. The NFL probably shelves him for 6 games to appease NFL fans.

A smart Watson would then come back to the Texans and waive his “no trade clause” so the team is free to move him to the highest bidder…..otherwise, the team could wait for his 6 game suspension to conclude then bring him to practice and announce that he’s the starter for the next game….if Watson refuses to suit up, Texans can suspend him without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. I wouldn’t even let him near the practice field, in the event he’d fein an injury. Texans need only inform Watson that they can do this far longer than he can afford to.

If this case concludes in a suspension for Watson…..I see the Eagles and Dolphins as the first teams to call. I see the Giants as a far horse if Jones still can’t get it going. If Goff doesn’t flourish in Detroit, they might become an interested team as well.
Not to Sidetrack but Philadelphia has huge salary cap issues in 2022 using the NFL projected cap 200 million. There has been talk over the last year or so of trading cornerback Darius Slay to increase that space.
Not so with the Detroit Lions and as I have mocked a trade before, Detroit has two round ones and interesting players such as quintez Cephus a wide receiver who look really good late in the season. Avg 17.5 per catch.
 
All of this Watson and massage therapists talk reminds me of this Jennifer Love Hewitt interview. I guess art does imitate life.

Funny and she is a beautiful woman but that clip is what underlies the "business ". Hee hee wink wink give you what you want..as long as you pay and tip well.

When money is involved there will always be someone to provide the service. Legal or not. I am not saying all masseuse are like those portrayed in Jennifer's TV series iirc The List. Her role as a young mother needing money who is then 'pulled' into offering more for increased remuneration is seen in other aspects such as nannies , maids, secretaries and others. There will be women who extort and men who will take advantage and those are the ones that negatively impact true victims.
 
There aren't just two groups here. You're conflating and boiling down some groups that don't belong together:

-So many people have made claims, so he's probably guilty.
-So many people have made claims, so he is guilty.
-The people making the claims are lying and guilty of extortion.
-The justice system has a process, let's wait and see.
-The justice system has a process, but it's skewed to favor rich men so he's probably going to be cleared whether he did it or not.
... and probably several more I've overlooked.


And where are you?
 
Yes, basic ethics like honoring a contract you just signed. But I'm not in either group, it's not that simple. But in the end, the justice system does have a process and we do have to wait and see. And I am okay with that, and I have never had an issue with due process. But between now and then this is the discussion, and not to acknowledge what we know to be facts at this point doesn't make sense to me, it's pretty obvious he doesn't have a strong moral compass.

So your not in either group?


And then declare you fall directly into 1 of the 2 groups I described?
 
And where are you?

I'm in the "He's probably guilty" camp, but not just because so many people have made claims against him. For me, there are a lot of little bits and pieces of evidence that only seem to fit together properly if he's guilty.

For example, seeking massages from so many different people under the guise of "sports massage." If you're looking for a real therapeutic massage, you're looking for people who know what they're doing, you're looking for people with experience and who are professionals. You're not looking for unlicensed people or for people who don't even bill themselves as sports massage therapists. Once you've found someone who's good, you use them. You become a regular with them. They get to know your body and your injuries, and they have a set agenda that they're working through. I'm speaking from experience on this. So I don't believe he was looking for a sports massage, even though that was his given pretext.

Another piece of evidence for me was that he claimed it was all consensual sex. That means he's not denying that sex occurred. If he lured women to be in the room with him with the promise of being able to work with a rich client (which I believe is true from the first example), and then used the power that relationship gave him to induce them to have sex with him... that's not consent, that's coercion and that's sexual assault. From his vantage point, it may appear to be consensual sex, although from some of the stories, I doubt that as well.

Another piece of evidence was the team massage therapist who gave him references for outside therapists and warned that he was started to get a reputation. To me, that rules out the whole "these women just got together out of the blue and decided to extort him" defense.

And there are a lot of other bits and bobs that I believe shore up the story, but I'm not keeping a file on this to pull out when having discussions about it.

But I'm also in the camp that believes that the system will probably find a way to free him. Not only does he have a lot of money, but he also has the potential to be a great money-maker for the NFL, as he has been in the past. So I won't be surprised if "due process" finds him innocent even if he's guilty.
 
Watson is the only one in this case who lost his moral compass? Every woman who’s filed civil or criminal lawsuit against Watson operates their lives from a moral high ground?

Outside of “she said-he said little” there’s been no absolute evidence presented publicly except words of accusations. So, which group stands more firmly on the idea of moral high grounds hasn’t been proven in a court of law at this time.

I’m with Lucky on this one. I don’t think there’s any physical evidence to fall back on outside the first shake-down/blackmail move in this whole mess. Watson may be found guilty of a lesser charge. With no priors and solid community work in his background he probably gets some probation time, counseling, and community work. The civil cases would take a hit in this outcome and payouts, if awarded, may not be what Buzzbee and his clients were looking for. The NFL probably shelves him for 6 games to appease NFL fans.

A smart Watson would then come back to the Texans and waive his “no trade clause” so the team is free to move him to the highest bidder…..otherwise, the team could wait for his 6 game suspension to conclude then bring him to practice and announce that he’s the starter for the next game….if Watson refuses to suit up, Texans can suspend him without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. I wouldn’t even let him near the practice field, in the event he’d fein an injury. Texans need only inform Watson that they can do this far longer than he can afford to.

If this case concludes in a suspension for Watson…..I see the Eagles and Dolphins as the first teams to call. I see the Giants as a far horse if Jones still can’t get it going. If Goff doesn’t flourish in Detroit, they might become an interested team as well.

We don't know what type of evidence is around. We do know that Watson was deleting messages at one point. As one of the accusing women showed her messages and he indeed was kissing butt. Due to the cases it was not reported if he threatened her. She has publicly claimed he did
 
I'm in the "He's probably guilty" camp, but not just because so many people have made claims against him. For me, there are a lot of little bits and pieces of evidence that only seem to fit together properly if he's guilty.

For example, seeking massages from so many different people under the guise of "sports massage." If you're looking for a real therapeutic massage, you're looking for people who know what they're doing, you're looking for people with experience and who are professionals. You're not looking for unlicensed people or for people who don't even bill themselves as sports massage therapists. Once you've found someone who's good, you use them. You become a regular with them. They get to know your body and your injuries, and they have a set agenda that they're working through. I'm speaking from experience on this. So I don't believe he was looking for a sports massage, even though that was his given pretext.

Another piece of evidence for me was that he claimed it was all consensual sex. That means he's not denying that sex occurred. If he lured women to be in the room with him with the promise of being able to work with a rich client (which I believe is true from the first example), and then used the power that relationship gave him to induce them to have sex with him... that's not consent, that's coercion and that's sexual assault. From his vantage point, it may appear to be consensual sex, although from some of the stories, I doubt that as well.

Another piece of evidence was the team massage therapist who gave him references for outside therapists and warned that he was started to get a reputation. To me, that rules out the whole "these women just got together out of the blue and decided to extort him" defense.

And there are a lot of other bits and bobs that I believe shore up the story, but I'm not keeping a file on this to pull out when having discussions about it.

But I'm also in the camp that believes that the system will probably find a way to free him. Not only does he have a lot of money, but he also has the potential to be a great money-maker for the NFL, as he has been in the past. So I won't be surprised if "due process" finds him innocent even if he's guilty.

So you fit distinctly in one of the 2 categories I listed.
 
I think he’s guilty of seeking questionable people for services that aren’t related to massages and he had sex with them. Was it consensual or did he force himself? I don’t know and I don’t think we will ever know. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. He pushed and pushed and they gave in. Does that mean he assaulted them or was he persistent in trying to hook up?

I know that guys who get told not interested but keep flirting and eventually sway the women into hooking up. Is that modern day assault? I guess I don’t think it is. He held no power over them despite what some are claiming. Will be interesting to see if more evidence pops up.
 
I think he’s guilty of seeking questionable people for services that aren’t related to massages and he had sex with them. Was it consensual or did he force himself? I don’t know and I don’t think we will ever know. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. He pushed and pushed and they gave in. Does that mean he assaulted them or was he persistent in trying to hook up?

I know that guys who get told not interested but keep flirting and eventually sway the women into hooking up. Is that modern day assault? I guess I don’t think it is. He held no power over them despite what some are claiming. Will be interesting to see if more evidence pops up.
Just forcing his penis to touch them is assault itself
 
This is one of the SI articles that convinced me he’s guilty.

to summarize
  • Not represented by Buzzbee
  • Ended session
  • Did not work with Watson again
  • Confided with family member directly after incident
  • SI verified everything she said

There’s another SI article that’s even more damming I can’t find right now, SI have a bunch of articles on the subject & I can’t go through all of them, but it was posted here a few months ago.

Neither article dealt with the rape accusations, so I’m not saying he’s guilty of rape. But SI uncovered enough, easily enough, that I can’t understand why the NFL hasn’t taken action yet.
 
This is one of the SI articles that convinced me he’s guilty.

to summarize
  • Not represented by Buzzbee
  • Ended session
  • Did not work with Watson again
  • Confided with family member directly after incident
  • SI verified everything she said

There’s another SI article that’s even more damming I can’t find right now, SI have a bunch of articles on the subject & I can’t go through all of them, but it was posted here a few months ago.

Neither article dealt with the rape accusations, so I’m not saying he’s guilty of rape. But SI uncovered enough, easily enough, that I can’t understand why the NFL hasn’t taken action yet.
I do wonder, like Corrosion said charges are coming sooner rather than later, if they want to avoid the CEL all together and just suspend him when he is charged.
 
So you fit distinctly in one of the 2 categories I listed.

Nope. Here are your two categories:
-So many women have made claims he must be guilty.
-The justice system has a process. Wait and see.

I don't fit into your first group because there is a difference between "probably" guilty and "must be" guilty and because there's a difference between only the fact that a lot of people accused him versus a bunch of other facts in conjunction with that fact. And on top of that, I believe the justice system is broken.
 
Ok. I can see that. But, will any of these charges result in Watson seeing one day in prison? I see suspended sentence, probation, consoling, and community service.

What will the NFL punishment be? 6 games? A year? More? That's where the real $$$ will hit Watson.


To be honest , I think if it was a mere mortal instead of an NFL superstar , he'd have been in jail months ago and be looking at a very long prison sentence from the evidence I've seen which amounts to mostly text messages from both sides before and after multiple incidents.

From what I've been told , the criminal complaints are not just him "making them touch his pee pee" but at least 4 of those cases were either forcible penetration or oral. I believe this is why their main defense is these were consensual acts.

I don't know what the ultimate result is and you could be right that he essentially gets off with some type suspended sentence from the criminal aspect but I believe even with that , the NFL will all but have to drop the hammer on him simply because of the nature and number of cases..
With any criminal conviction I'd expect a very lengthy suspension that would require Goodell approval to return at all.
The 6 game / 1 year type of suspension would only occur if he's a loser in the civil cases (or settles) but is exonerated in the criminal cases.
 
So an Insider is leaking information from the FBI to you? If that is correct, that is part of the unethical I was referring to that seems to be going on in this case. Otherwise you know no more than we do of what the FBI is investigating.
Nothing unethical about what I was told.

They didn't leak any details regarding the investigation at all , simply the nature of the investigation.

You believe what you want .... but just remember that there's only two sources that gave you the information that Watson met twice with Cal (Once including Mulugheta) before Caserio was hired and that the first one was me.


But hey , a broken clock is right twice a day.
 
Attorney and former police officer Charles Adams Speaks On The Emergency Rustin Hardin Press Conference On The Deshaun Watson Legal Battle


"For Rusty to be complaining about Tony going to the media or social media is so incredibly disingenuous because Rusty has been a master of media manipulation since he entered the realm... but Rusty has to try to silence the discourse, his client is a creep.

"For rapists — and I’m not saying he’s a rapist because I wasn’t there — for rapists it’s never about the sex, it’s never about the availability of sex. It’s about the control, the power, the domination. And if you look at these allegations it sounds like he has a problem with sexual domination.

"I will tell you from somebody who has investigated sexual assault claims, somebody who has seen it from a variety of angles whether it’s as a police officer, a lawyer, or a judge... I believe these women. And I don’t believe in the concept of believe all women.

"But when you look at this it looks like he is, and I’m sorry, it looks like he’s a predator. Personally I don’t think he has any business on the Houston Texans, I don’t think he has any business in the NFL."

This is such a bizarre situation. If Watson has indeed done all the things that have been intimated, he and his staff of advisors have to be the dumbest MFers walking the earth. If he’s done these things, why on earth fight this out in court? First, the Harris county courts are severely backed up so this will more than likely be a multi year process. Second, he just signed a 156 million dollar contract. He could offer 2 million to each complainant and still walk away with over 100 million.

For the record, I couldn’t care less about Watson other than he represents a possible haul of draft picks.
 
This is such a bizarre situation. If Watson has indeed done all the things that have been intimated, he and his staff of advisors have to be the dumbest MFers walking the earth. If he’s done these things, why on earth fight this out in court? First, the Harris county courts are severely backed up so this will more than likely be a multi year process. Second, he just signed a 156 million dollar contract. He could offer 2 million to each complainant and still walk away with over 100 million.

For the record, I couldn’t care less about Watson other than he represents a possible haul of draft picks.
I think if he had retained Rusty in the very beginning when his firm heard from Buzbee they could have settled some of this then. But, you also have women who aren’t going for money. Hardin made it worse when he publicly called them liars. Watson is going to spend some DOUGH in these cases having to pay Rusty, and more money if any federal charges come.
 
To be honest , I think if it was a mere mortal instead of an NFL superstar , he'd have been in jail months ago and be looking at a very long prison sentence from the evidence I've seen which amounts to mostly text messages from both sides before and after multiple incidents.

From what I've been told , the criminal complaints are not just him "making them touch his pee pee" but at least 4 of those cases were either forcible penetration or oral. I believe this is why their main defense is these were consensual acts.

I don't know what the ultimate result is and you could be right that he essentially gets off with some type suspended sentence from the criminal aspect but I believe even with that , the NFL will all but have to drop the hammer on him simply because of the nature and number of cases..
With any criminal conviction I'd expect a very lengthy suspension that would require Goodell approval to return at all.
The 6 game / 1 year type of suspension would only occur if he's a loser in the civil cases (or settles) but is exonerated in the criminal cases.
The NFL needs to act soon. Once an indictment because public with the more detailed allegations, the NFL is going to take an even more serious hit
 
I think that those who have not really looked into the victims' testimonies should review these short summaries that are the massage experiences with Watson of only 20 of the alleged victims.

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Deshaun Watson accusers: A timeline of numerous lawsuits against Houston Texans quarterback
Houston Texans' Deshaun Watson faces 20 lawsuits accusing him of misconduct
Tuesday, March 30, 2021


HOUSTON -- The number of lawsuits filed against Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson, accusing him of a range of actions during massage appointments over the past year, from refusing to cover his genitals to forced oral sex, continues to grow.

Watson has denied the allegations in the lawsuits, which do not name any of the women. He is also accused of deleting Instagram messages and contacting the women in an attempt to settle.

Below is a summary of the alleged behavior, according to the lawsuits.

The lawsuits contain explicit language that can be considered graphic. Viewer discretion is advised.

March 30, 2020, at the plaintiff's home in Texas. The plaintiff has run a massage therapy business since 2018 and is a licensed therapist. He contacted her via direct message on Instagram and insisted no one else be present during his massage. The woman alleges that Watson exposed his penis and touched her hand with his penis. She says she ended the massage abruptly and Watson told her: "I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don't want anyone messing with mine." She says he texted later to apologize but she did not respond.

Read lawsuit 1: Allegations from March 2020

April 19, 2020 at a Houston spa.
The plaintiff, a licensed esthetician who owns her skin care business, says she was contacted by Watson via Instagram. During a massage appointment, Watson directed the woman to work on the crevices in his groin area, the lawsuit states. She says when he rolled over onto his back, he had an erection and repeatedly touched her hand with his penis. He ejaculated, leaving the woman "confused and mortified," the lawsuit states.

May 28, 2020 at Watson's home in Houston. The plaintiff, a certified personal trainer who did not specialize in massage, says Watson wanted to book with her anyway and told her he wanted to focus on his groin, glutes and lower abdominals. She says the massage took place in a theater room, and that at one point Watson exposed his penis and moved it to her hand. The lawsuit says Watson told her, "I hope you do not mind if we continue the massage like this." The woman says she started stuttering and said "I do not know. I do not know," before ending the massage. The plaintiff says she called her mother and best friend that day to tell them what happened, and that Watson texted her the same day asking if she was OK.

Read the lawsuit detailing the alleged incidents from May 28, 2020.

June 2, 2020 at a spa in Houston.
The plaintiff has been in the massage business about 11 years and is a licensed therapist who routinely works with pro athletes. She says Watson contacted her via Instagram and later by phone, telling her he makes "a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable and it's really hard for me to find someone who will meet my needs." During the appointment, the woman says, Watson continually tried to remove towels and exposed his penis multiple times and moved "in such a way to make his penis touch Plaintiff." The lawsuit says Watson tried to schedule future appointments but was ignored or declined.

Read the lawsuit: Allegations from June 2020

June 2020 and Aug. 17, 2020 at a hotel and later a spa in Houston.
The plaintiff, who offers bodywork and stretch therapy classes, markets her business through Instagram. She said she initially did not know who Watson was when he contacted her through the manager at a spa where she worked. She met him at a hotel where he was staying, the lawsuit says. She says Watson groped her buttocks and vagina, and she slapped him. She says he later touched her hand with his penis. On Aug. 17, she says, Watson reached out on Instagram, and she didn't realize the connection to her earlier client until he arrived. The lawsuit says Watson apologized for his earlier behavior but during the appointment exposed himself, forced the woman's mouth onto his penis and masturbated in front of her.

Read the lawsuits from June and August 2020.

July 2020 at the plaintiff's house in Houston.
The plaintiff offered Watson a teeth whitening and sauna detox when he originally reached out via Instagram for a massage. Later, by telephone, Watson asked about Swedish massage, and she said she would try to learn it before his appointment, according to the lawsuit. During the appointment, the woman says, Watson lay naked on his stomach and told her to massage the area underneath his genitals and anus before flipping onto his back. The lawsuit states that as the plaintiff massaged his groin, Watson ejaculated on her face and body. She says he then took her hand and had it touch his penis. The woman called a friend later that day to say what had happened because, she says, she was in shock.
July 15, 2020 at a home in Beverly Hills, Calif. The plaintiff, a licensed massage therapist, says Watson contacted her on Instagram. He later gave her an address to a house in Beverly Hills where she was to meet him, the lawsuit says. When she arrived, she says, she was led to a room where Watson locked the door. The plaintiff says she took out mace, and Watson laughed but didn't say anything. When the massage started, the lawsuit states, Watson asked her to massage his glutes and pointed to his anus, and the plaintiff refused. When Watson flipped over, he had an erection covered by a towel, which he removed, the plaintiff says. She says Watson grabbed her hands and moved them toward his genitals and forced her hands onto his penis. Afterward, she says, he told her, "I will not have you sign a NDA but don't ever talk about this.

Read the allegations from July 2020.

Aug. 2, 2020 at a hotel in Houston.
The plaintiff offers various wellness services in homes, hotels and offices. Watson allegedly contacted her by Instagram to set up an appointment. The woman says that, during the session, Watson repeatedly asked if he could be naked and demanded she focus on the buttocks. The lawsuit alleges that Watson told the plaintiff he wanted her to touch his anus with her fingers. After the session, according to the lawsuit, Watson was naked in the room when the plaintiff returned from washing her hands and he allegedly asked if she did more than just professional work "for more money." The woman says she immediately declined and told him to leave. Due to the incident, she left the profession, the lawsuit states.

Read the lawsuit from Aug. 2, 2020.

Aug. 28, 2020 at the Houstonian Hotel.
The plaintiff has owned a massage therapy business in Atlanta since 2019. She says Watson contacted her via Instagram and flew her to Houston for his appointment. The woman says Watson tried to get her to touch his genitals and exposed himself. She said she ended the massage and Watson grabbed her hand and arm and said, 'It is OK. It is OK.' She said she pulled away. When Watson went to shower, she says, she left for the airport and did not respond to later requests from Watson.

Read the lawsuit: Allegations from August 2020

Several encounters between Sept. 9, 2020, and October 2020 at a spa in Houston.
The plaintiff, a licensed esthetician of nine years, offers back treatments and body scrubs. In one session, the lawsuit says, Watson asked the woman "what she would do about his erection." She told him his behavior was inappropriate, the lawsuit says. In an October session, she says, Watson tried to put his penis in the plaintiff's hand so she would touch it and moved his body so his penis would touch her hand. She says he insisted she focus on his groin, complained she was wearing too many clothes and tried to kiss her. The woman says she cut the second session short and Watson left.

Read the allegations from September and October 2020.

Sept. 24, 2020 at a rented room in a Houston salon.
The plaintiff, who owns her own fitness company and offers body conditioning and wellness therapy, says Watson contacted her on Instagram. She said Watson asked if it was OK if he got naked and "if he got aroused." Later, she says, he moved his body to have his penis touch her hand. She said she moved away and Watson then ejaculated. The lawsuit says the woman "felt violated and disgusted" and immediately stopped the session.

Two sessions -- Oct. 19 and around Nov. 2, 2020 -- at the plaintiff's office in Houston. The woman owns a bodywork and stretch therapy company and had been open around six months. She said Watson contacted her on Instagram. In the first session, she says, Watson wanted her to work on his inner thighs. She said she doesn't "do that kind of work," but she did after he insisted, according to the lawsuit. During the second session, Watson kissed the plaintiff when he arrived, she says. She was shocked and left the office quickly to compose herself, and when she returned he exposed himself, the lawsuit says. Later, she says, Watson asked her to work on his buttocks and penis area but she declined. The lawsuit says he moved in a way to have his penis touch her hand and offered to pay extra if she worked on his buttocks and penis. She says when she declined, Watson got upset and left.

Read lawsuit from Oct. 19, 2020 and Nov. 2, 2020
Read the lawsuit describing the events from Oct. 19.


Oct. 8, 2020 at a spa in Houston.
The plaintiff says she had never given a massage at this spa before, and her boss had assigned her to Watson, whom she said might require a non-disclosure agreement to be signed. She did not sign an NDA. When the massage began, the plaintiff says, she started massaging Watson's lower legs, as her boss instructed. Watson later turned over and exposed his penis, the lawsuit states, and the woman continued massaging his inner thigh, lower stomach and sides as he instructed. Because his penis was exposed, the woman says, she had to brush against it during the massage. The suit says Watson told her not to be afraid to touch him, and the plaintiff responded that she was not paid to do that. She says he told her that's what he paid for, and that he left, paying only a third of what he was supposed to pay her.

Read the allegations in this lawsuit.

November 2020 at plaintiff's mother's house in Pearland.
The plaintiff, a single mother, is a flight attendant and massage therapist. She says that Watson requested services when she was a massage therapy student, and often, shared her journey of massage therapy school with her followers on Instagram. The plaintiff says that she had never worked with any athletes from the Texans organization, but had previously known Watson through mutual friends, so she initially felt comfortable around him. According to the lawsuit, Watson initially asked her to come to a hotel at his private suite to do the massage, but she declined. After refusing, Watson allegedly kept messaging her to the point it felt like harassment before reaching out to a mutual friend. The friend reached out to the woman's best friend, who encouraged her to do the massage and said it would be OK. The plaintiff says that although she told Watson that she did not have a location where she could perform the massage, he was so persistent, he offered to drive to her in Pearland to her mother's house.

Session 1: This massage happened on Nov. 6, 2020, the suit alleges. According to court documents, Watson texted the plaintiff saying, "I even have a NDA I have therapist sign too." The plaintiff says that she left the room to allow Watson to get undressed, and that he left the NDA on the table for her to sign. When she returned Watson was lying naked on his stomach with only a towel covering his buttocks. Watson is accused of becoming aggressive and telling her "get up in there," "don't be scared," and "use your fingers." She refused to move further down, and Watson eventually flipped over onto his back. The plaintiff says he kept telling her to touch his penis, and she refused. After the massage, the woman says Watson texted her, "Hope that wasn't bad." The next day, Watson allegedly texted her asking for another session. She says she agreed because she thought that from a massage standpoint, she didn't do a good job and had wanted to give it another try.

Session 2: This occurred on Nov. 10, 2020 around 11 a.m. at the plaintiff's mother's house in the living room. In this instance, Watson allegedly told the woman that he had just come from practice and received a massage but wanted another one, explaining that, as an athlete, it's normal for him to get several massages a day. The plaintiff claims the second session started the same way as Session 1. She says Watson told her, "I am just trying to help you and show you how it's done." Again, the woman says that Watson's penis touched her hand several times and that he ejaculated. Watson got dressed and asked her about getting another massage that same day. She alleges that Watson texted her, saying, "Maybe 4:30 p.m.? At Houstonian. I see you're getting comfortable with certain techniques and areas." The plaintiff says that when she declined to do the next massage, Watson texted her incessantly and called her almost three times a day.

The plaintiff says she reached out to one of her friends who played for the NFL and told him the story. He allegedly told her that there is a thin line between physical therapy and sexual pleasure, and that Watson crossed the line.

Read the lawsuit: Flight attendant who also massages part-time alleges sexual assault from November 2020

Dec. 28, 2020 at a Houston office building.
The woman, a licensed massage therapist since 2018, says Watson contacted her through Instagram. During the session, she says, Watson instructed her to slide her hands across his genitals. The woman says she started shaking and felt intimidated and threatened. The lawsuit says that he forced the woman to have oral sex and that she blacked out for a few minutes from fear. She says Watson then got dressed and left.

Lawsuit: Allegations from December 2020

Jan. 21, 2021 in Houston.
The plaintiff, a licensed massage therapist who owns her own business in Houston, says Watson contacted her on Instagram. As the massage started, she says, Watson asked if he could remove draping because he gets hot. The woman says she told Watson that he would have to remain partially covered and that the massage was strictly professional. The lawsuit says he exposed his erect penis and caused it to touch her hand.

Read the lawsuit from January 2021.

March 5, 2021 at a massage therapy business in Sandy Springs, Georgia.
The plaintiff is a licensed massage therapist who owns her own business. She says Watson contacted her on Instagram about a $55 discount massage she was offering. During the massage, she says, Watson made her uncomfortable and directed her to his groin area. She refused, and Watson exposed himself and put his penis on her hand, the lawsuit says. She says she was shocked and moved away, and Watson dressed and left.

Read the lawsuit from early March 2021.

Filed on March 29, 2021
The lawsuit says the plaintiff was referred to Watson by a mutual friend sometime in 2020. She is married and was married at the time of the alleged incidents, which happened over three sessions. The plaintiff, a licensed massage therapist for several years, marketed her business through Instagram and said she'd never had issues prior to her encounters with Watson. She claims they discussed scheduling over text messages. The first massage occurred at Watson's house. The woman says she insisted on draping, but Watson said he didn't want that, getting completely naked and urging that he didn't want her to massage his back. Instead, when he flipped over, his penis was exposed. The plaintiff said that Watson's penis touched her hand several times. Though she felt uncomfortable, she says she shrugged the incident off as nerves, wanted to keep Watson as a client to grow her business and agreed to schedule a second massage with Watson after he asked to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Session 2: The plaintiff says Watson again refused to drape or cover himself and proceeded to get nude. Watson only wanted to use a bath towel, but also complained about that, court documents say. The lawsuit states that the massage therapist was asked to massage his lower abdomen, his groin area, his penis and his testicles. The plaintiff refused, adding that she felt uncomfortable but didn't want to upset Watson or risk losing him as a client. She says his penis continued to touch her hand throughout the massage.

Session 3: Prior to the third session, Watson allegedly told the woman to "come wearing something comfortable." During the session, Watson again was naked, refused to cover himself and only wanted to wear a small washcloth, the lawsuit says. Watson is accused of "continuously and purposely" touching the woman with his penis by moving his body. By the end of the session, the plaintiff concluded that Watson wanted sex. After, she says she told Watson she was firing him as a client and did not want to jeopardize her marriage.

Read full lawsuit.

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Please note that the last victim was married.........In Texas, a sexual assault conviction for a second-degree felony charge will result in penalties of at least two years in prison with a maximum of 20 years in prison. If, however, marriage is involved (on either side) and the charge is enhanced to a first degree felony, sentence exposure is at least five years with a maximum of 99 years.
 
This is such a bizarre situation. If Watson has indeed done all the things that have been intimated, he and his staff of advisors have to be the dumbest MFers walking the earth. If he’s done these things, why on earth fight this out in court? First, the Harris county courts are severely backed up so this will more than likely be a multi year process. Second, he just signed a 156 million dollar contract. He could offer 2 million to each complainant and still walk away with over 100 million.

For the record, I couldn’t care less about Watson other than he represents a possible haul of draft picks.
This is no guarantee. If criminal charges are filed, and the Watson has paid off the victims, if the victims then are sent a "body attachment" to testify and refuse, serious contempt of court charges can be filed by a Texas DA office or by the FBI, potentially resulting in hefty fines and jail time.
 
Good deflection. The bottom line is not a single person has even come close to saying what Watson is accused of is acceptable.

Agreed, but some posters would rather this POS get a lighter sentence or not be convicted at all if it means getting more in trade for this POS and that's a sickening thought. IMHO
 
Ok. I can see that. But, will any of these charges result in Watson seeing one day in prison? I see suspended sentence, probation, consoling, and community service.

What will the NFL punishment be? 6 games? A year? More? That's where the real $$$ will hit Watson.

If found guilty, hopefully this POS gets 10 to 20 yrs of Mean Machine time.
 
This is no guarantee. If criminal charges are filed, and the Watson has paid off the victims, if the victims then are sent a "body attachment" to testify and refuse, serious contempt of court charges can be filed by a Texas DA office or by the FBI, potentially resulting in hefty fines and jail time.
Yep. Normally in these cases they don’t necessarily need the victims cooperation when there is evidence. Once they have grand jury testimony, that’s going to set the stage.
 
Once he begins playing for a different team, Watson will get more endorsements.

You really think businesses will want to be involved with a guy who's been accused of the things he's been accused of in these Metoo times we live in? If he gets convicted it's doubtful the NFL will want anything to do with him, much less companies giving him endorsements.
 
Watson is the only one in this case who lost his moral compass? Every woman who’s filed civil or criminal lawsuit against Watson operates their lives from a moral high ground?

Outside of “she said-he said little” there’s been no absolute evidence presented publicly except words of accusations. So, which group stands more firmly on the idea of moral high grounds hasn’t been proven in a court of law at this time.

I’m with Lucky on this one. I don’t think there’s any physical evidence to fall back on outside the first shake-down/blackmail move in this whole mess. Watson may be found guilty of a lesser charge. With no priors and solid community work in his background he probably gets some probation time, counseling, and community work. The civil cases would take a hit in this outcome and payouts, if awarded, may not be what Buzzbee and his clients were looking for. The NFL probably shelves him for 6 games to appease NFL fans.

A smart Watson would then come back to the Texans and waive his “no trade clause” so the team is free to move him to the highest bidder…..otherwise, the team could wait for his 6 game suspension to conclude then bring him to practice and announce that he’s the starter for the next game….if Watson refuses to suit up, Texans can suspend him without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. I wouldn’t even let him near the practice field, in the event he’d fein an injury. Texans need only inform Watson that they can do this far longer than he can afford to.

If this case concludes in a suspension for Watson…..I see the Eagles and Dolphins as the first teams to call. I see the Giants as a far horse if Jones still can’t get it going. If Goff doesn’t flourish in Detroit, they might become an interested team as well.

Is this what you want to see happen?

Human trafficking/things he's admitted to doing and all of that speaks to his character issues. Seems to me you're trying to victim shame in hopes that he beats the rap so the Texans can get more in a trade for this POS. I could careless about what they get in trade for this POS and that this POS isn't able to buy his way out of this mess that he fully created. This is all on him.
 
Is this what you want to see happen?

Human trafficking/things he's admitted to doing and all of that speaks to his character issues. Seems to me you're trying to victim shame in hopes that he beats the rap so the Texans can get more in a trade for this POS. I could careless about what they get in trade for this POS and that this POS isn't able to buy his way out of this mess that he fully created. This is all on him.

You are just hail bent on lynching this guy from the nearest tree based solely on accusation alone. One thing is for certain…..you were never at one of these closed door massages to personally see exactly what happened. So, all your conclusions are strictly based on what has been stated publicly. That’s exactly how lynch mobs formed in a very embarrassing and low time in America. You’ve expressed yourself as the judge, jury, and executioner of DeShaun Watson.

Instead of getting so caught up in the hype and personal accusations…..I’m going to watch how the conclusion is discovered in a court of law. If the verdict doesn’t go the way some are hoping, then you need to remove the emotion and look at the case once it’s been presented. If he’s found guilty then he should suffer whatever sentence is handed out. I and everyone else on this board and in the City of Houston will live to see another day…..Watson on the other hand will have time to ponder what he’s done.
 
You are just hail bent on lynching this guy from the nearest tree based solely on accusation alone. One thing is for certain…..you were never at one of these closed door massages to personally see exactly what happened. So, all your conclusions are strictly based on what has been stated publicly. That’s exactly how lynch mobs formed in a very embarrassing and low time in America. You’ve expressed yourself as the judge, jury, and executioner of DeShaun Watson.

Instead of getting so caught up in the hype and personal accusations…..I’m going to watch how the conclusion is discovered in a court of law. If the verdict doesn’t go the way some are hoping, then you need to remove the emotion and look at the case once it’s been presented. If he’s found guilty then he should suffer whatever sentence is handed out. I and everyone else on this board and in the City of Houston will live to see another day…..Watson on the other hand will have time to ponder what he’s done.

I have no emotion is this, I'm just pointing out some are going to great extremes because they want to get something in trade for this POS. Hey, I'm not lynching anybody. Fact is he admitted to being a POS whether he's convicted or not.

But hey all that matters is hopefully he gets off so the Texans can get more in a trade. Never mind the fact that this is one sick individual who will continue to prey on women if he beats the rap. Remember after was told about the coming civil cases, he was still out there doing the same things. He cant change his behavior. Total trash.
 
Once he begins playing for a different team, Watson will get more endorsements.
Michael Vick lost all of his endorsements, but Nike that statue of morality, later was the only entity to re-instate his endorsement...............saying that he "acknowledged his past mistakes"...............NINE years later...........

Watson is unlikely to ever admit wrong-doing............and again Nike, barraged with trafficking accusations for years is not about to ever "touch" Watson again.
 
You really think businesses will want to be involved with a guy who's been accused of the things he's been accused of in these Metoo times we live in? If he gets convicted it's doubtful the NFL will want anything to do with him, much less companies giving him endorsements.
Yes. This will pass. NFL QBs get endorsements. I won't be surprised if Watson goes through some kind of therapy and proclaims "I"m cured".
 
Yes. This will pass. NFL QBs get endorsements. I won't be surprised if Watson goes through some kind of therapy and proclaims "I"m cured".
That’s the thing though. In the state of Texas and across the US, trafficking is starting to be seriously Handled. This isn’t like dogfighting. Its much worse and he will be the face of it.
 
Michael Vick lost all of his endorsements, but Nike that statue of morality, later was the only entity to re-instate his endorsement...............saying that he "acknowledged his past mistakes"...............NINE years later...........
Vick was not the same QB when he came back. And he did 2 years in prison. As disgusting as Watson's purported behavior has been, he's not going to jail. He's unlikely to see a courtroom either civilly or criminally, other than agreeing to a plea. Not the same situation here.
 
To be honest , I think if it was a mere mortal instead of an NFL superstar , he'd have been in jail months ago and be looking at a very long prison sentence from the evidence I've seen which amounts to mostly text messages from both sides before and after multiple incidents.

From what I've been told , the criminal complaints are not just him "making them touch his pee pee" but at least 4 of those cases were either forcible penetration or oral. I believe this is why their main defense is these were consensual acts.

I don't know what the ultimate result is and you could be right that he essentially gets off with some type suspended sentence from the criminal aspect but I believe even with that , the NFL will all but have to drop the hammer on him simply because of the nature and number of cases..
With any criminal conviction I'd expect a very lengthy suspension that would require Goodell approval to return at all.
The 6 game / 1 year type of suspension would only occur if he's a loser in the civil cases (or settles) but is exonerated in the criminal cases.
Well depending on the outcome of these investigations, if they stick I agree the NFL’s hammer will fall if they want any legitimacy in promoting women sideline reporters and referees while strutting out the cheerleaders in masseuse dress.
 
He could plead no contest. Which would likely be by the public as a guilty plea. But still not plead guilty.
If Watson pleads no contest, he is telling the court I don't want to contest and is at that point not admitting guilt. But the no contest plea tells the court that Watson does not want to go to trial for the charge and allows the court to determine a punishment for the charge. The punishment would result in a criminal conviction on the Watson's record..............just as though he had pleaded guilty or been convicted after a trial.
 
you were never at one of these closed door massages to personally see exactly what happened. So, all your conclusions are strictly based on what has been stated publicly. That’s exactly how lynch mobs formed
I understand what you're saying. But all those things were usually about one incident with little, questionable, or no evidence at all.

This is 22+ different accusers in at least three different states basically telling the same story.

I'm not saying he's guilty of everything he's accused of, but he is without a doubt guilty of more than anything we should be comfortable with.

This "pass no judgment at all" is just as misguided, if not more sinister than the, "hang him high" mentality.
 
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The punishment would result in a criminal conviction on the Watson's record..............just as though he had pleaded guilty or been convicted after a trial.
And I think I said he would end up taking a plea deal with a suspended sentence, probation, community service, plus counseling. There's too many reasons Harris County DA's office won't want to take this to trial. There's a good chance Watson will no longer be a Harris County resident by the time this is over.
 
That’s the thing though. In the state of Texas and across the US, trafficking is starting to be seriously Handled. This isn’t like dogfighting. Its much worse and he will be the face of it.
So, have we moved on from indecent exposure, to sexual assault to sex trafficking or is it a combination of all three? Is this sex trafficking similar to what Matt Gaetz is being accused of? I can't keep up.
 
And I think I said he would end up taking a plea deal with a suspended sentence, probation, community service, plus counseling. There's too many reasons Harris County DA's office won't want to take this to trial. There's a good chance Watson will no longer be a Harris County resident by the time this is over.
This is a high profile case, and the DA or the FBI are unlikely to let is get lost in the shuffle/volume and shunt it off as if it were a run-of-the-mill case.
 
This is a high profile case, and the DA or the FBI are unlikely to let is get lost in the shuffle/volume and shunt it off as if it were a run-of-the-mill case.
I'll respectively disagree. These agencies aren't going to waste time on a dicey case when they can get an easy deal and proclaim a win in a photo op.
 
So, have we moved on from indecent exposure, to sexual assault to sex trafficking or is it a combination of all three? Is this sex trafficking similar to what Matt Gaetz is being accused of? I can't keep up.
Similar, but Gaetz's case is worse in one respect............the "victim" was a 17 year old.......a minor. A variety of federal statutes make it illegal to induce someone under 18 to travel over state lines to engage in sex in exchange for money or something of value. The Justice Department regularly prosecutes such cases, and offenders often receive severe sentences.
 
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