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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

OptimisticTexan said:
Isn’t that the kettle calling the pot black?

Your hatred of everything Watson since he was drafted has permeated right into an opportunity at leading the lynch mob the moment this nasty mess became public. Your hatred has made you blind to the way our judicial system works whether you like the outcome or not.
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My dislike of the 3rd string QB as a player has nothing to do with this. BTW, this is a hobby and I don't hate anybody.

My leading a Lynch mob is a wrong description. Just look at the post TK put out there up thread as my reply to this part of your post.

The 3rd string QB put himself in this position and nobody else. I'm just expressing my opinion. Isn't that what this MB is supposed to be about?
 
Carr Bombed said:
I was thinking more of a boil on Houston's ass, where you just can't even sit comfortably until it all comes to head. Either way,.. yeah I'm done with it too. Just hope Watson falls to the wayside in NFL history. I hope we keep on winning while he watches on a bench too.. He wants out of Houston.. No, Houston now wants you the F out of our city Watson..
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Exactly

I just wanted to quote this post so it doesn't fall by the wayside.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not just that, we have one woman, introduced through the defense, saying, "I told y'all not to be messing with Watson."

Then you have another woman, more or less unrelated to the accusers saying, "I told Watson to be careful. His name is getting out there."

& then you have another saying, "She called me after the incident, seeking comfort."

Then there's the one who hasn't filed & gave that youtube interview against her legal counsel."

Then SI interviewed 5 other women, not with Buzbee, not with Hardin, but had similar experiences with Watson.

It's just too much & you're being obtuse if you don't agree Watson is guilty of something. Whether that's rape or indecent exposure, none of us should be comfortable with any of it.
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And in that article, all that could be managed:

In a statement in April, Hardin said, based on his firm’s internal discussions with Watson, “the answer to the question of whether we are saying that all 22 plaintiffs are lying about the allegations of sexual misconduct by Mr. Watson is a resounding yes.”
 
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otisbean said:
You've repeatedly said this throughout the thread, can you explain to me how exactly this could happen in your mind? I completely understand how being assaulted would have a lasting negative effect on someone's life, so that's not what Im talking about. How can Watson ruin a MT's life if they refuse to book a massage appointment? If the person worked for the Texans then I can see how he could negatively influence their career, but I can't figure out how he could ruin a self employed MT's career. If their entire client base were Texans football players then I can see how this could happen. I can't see it happening any other way. What is he going to do, write negative Yelp/Google reviews? Im just trying to understand how you think this would happen
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This is a reasoned reply written by a grown man in the comfort of the place of his choice.

Which is a bit different than the pressured situation of being a small woman in a room alone with a famous athlete, who happens to be a big naked man with his erect pecker demanding attention. I'm not sure, in this situation, that any woman is going to stop and logically think "what can this man really do to my career?".

None of us dudes can truly walk a mile in any of these women's shoes, so trying to act like we can comprehend their thought processes during an [alleged] sexual assault is ultimately pointless.
 
Carr Bombed said:
????.. what!?. yeah that's 1 reason.. reason #30.

care to explain why women typically don't report these attacks, here's a hint.. it certainly isn't close to the reason you posted.
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Nah I'd say it's pretty high up on the list, certainly higher than 30. But please do tell us what are the other 29 above it since you claim that.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Name the witch hunts that you're referring toward.. eager to hear them, because until you actually list all these great previous "witch hunts" I'm left to believe you're just full of **** in your defense of Watson. Name a witch hunt.
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A witchhunt is when an allegation surfaces and the public rushes to condemn the accused without substantiation of the claims. That is pretty much what's happening here. This man is deemed guilty off allegations alone without us having any substantial proof.
 
cbs1507 said:
A witchhunt is when an allegation surfaces and the public rushes to condemn the accused without substantiation of the claims. That is pretty much what's happening here. This man is deemed guilty off allegations alone without us having any substantial proof.
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Better tell the news to quit reporting on basically everything until a judgement is handed down by the court of law, if the court of public opinion offends your sensibilities so much.
 
Corrosion said:
Lets not let facts get in the way ....

The first criminal complaints were filed back in 2019 .... Long before Buzbee became involved.
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Oh I won't. Perhaps you should learn comprehension though. They are saying the alleged events happened Sept 2019 to Dec 2020. The rest of that was just their conjecture for sensationalism. Cuz noone else is reporting that.

Cuz otherwise why would HPD say this way back in March:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1373043588431548416
 
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sandman said:
1) Did the women file the complaints within the statute of limitations timeframe? That is the only timeline that matters to a judge.

2) That's... not how the court system works.
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1) What does that have to do with the fact that it was made a public spectacle first. The lawyer took to social media to search for "victims" and whole lot of other theatrics.

2) Well then explain to us why that is their "preferred path" (other than the obvious financial reasons?
 
cbs1507 said:
You go low, I go lower. Don't pick and choose when you want to get offended if that's a real principal you live by.
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I'm not the one getting offended and getting personal with posters. So don't speak on my principles, btw that's how it's spelled. I didn't "go low", I was letting you know you are skating the line here with some of these post. Take the advice or leave it.
 
cbs1507 said:
Are all those girls telling the truth about being rape? Nope. There is your stats.
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Are all of them lying?

Give me the stats in general to support your theory, not just about this case if you truly think this is going on all across this country.
 
cbs1507 said:
1) What does that have to do with the fact that it was made a public spectacle first. The lawyer took to social media to search for "victims" and whole lot of other theatrics.

2) Well then explain to us why that is their "preferred path" (other than the obvious financial reasons?
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1) It has a lot to do with it, according to your reasoning. You have stated that you do not believe these women because they came forward after the first cases were made public. This is the extent of your logic. They came forward after the first case, ergo they are money grabbing. Whereas a reasonable person would consider that there is power in solidarity that they might not feel pressing charges alone. I know you don't agree with that, but your lack of agreement doesn't make it any less true.

2) I'm not here to give you a Civics lesson. The fact of the matter is many people use civil court to find a financially punitive punishment for what cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt in a criminal court. OJ Simpson is a classic case. We all know OJ murdered Nicole Brown, regardless of that farce of a criminal trial. Her family took him to civil court afterwards and won a $50 million settlement against him.
 
Hardcore Texan said:
You're the one that quoted me and responded so it certainly looked like the comment was addressed to me.

Yes, I am now mentally handicapped, after reading your posts my IQ dropped a hundred points. Don't bother responding to me anymore, it's not worth my effort or time.
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So you gonna just sit here and LIE? Umkay

Here is the comment that YOU QUOTED:

Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Isn’t that the kettle calling the pot black? Your hatred of everything Watson since he was drafted has permeated right into an opportunity at leading the lynch mob the moment this nasty mess became public. Your hatred has made you blind to the way our judicial system works whether you like...
www.texanstalk.com

Go see who that comment was addressed to...but here is a hint...it wasn't YOU.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Because you made the statement as a general statement and I expect general statements to be supported by with stats backing up your claims.
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Sir if you don't believe me. Then show us the stats that say 100% of rape allegations are the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'll wait...
 
cbs1507 said:
So you gonna just sit here and LIE? Umkay

Here is the comment that YOU QUOTED:

Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Isn’t that the kettle calling the pot black? Your hatred of everything Watson since he was drafted has permeated right into an opportunity at leading the lynch mob the moment this nasty mess became public. Your hatred has made you blind to the way our judicial system works whether you like...
www.texanstalk.com

Go see who that comment was addressed to...but here is a hint...it wasn't YOU.
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One more time. I quoted you for stepping over the line with another poster. You quoted me directly in response and told me you go lower, I responded to YOUR quote. And now I'm lying? Like I said, don't bother responding.
 
sandman said:
1) It has a lot to do with it, according to your reasoning. You have stated that you do not believe these women because they came forward after the first cases were made public. This is the extent of your logic. They came forward after the first case, ergo they are money grabbing. Whereas a reasonable person would consider that there is power in solidarity that they might not feel pressing charges alone. I know you don't agree with that, but your lack of agreement doesn't make it any less true.

2) I'm not here to give you a Civics lesson. The fact of the matter is many people use civil court to find a financially punitive punishment for what cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt in a criminal court. OJ Simpson is a classic case. We all know OJ murdered Nicole Brown, regardless of that farce of a criminal trial. Her family took him to civil court afterwards and won a $50 million settlement against him.
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1) No what you said had nothing to do with what I said. So that's just your personal distortion. Don't attempt to "use my logic" with your own understanding because you fail miserably.

2) My guy you said this is the preferred path. So if you're not gonna explain what that means then we'll just say it's financial reasons. Now with regards to your OJ example. No we don't know that OJ killed Nicole Brown. We only know he was found not guilty based on the evidence. Her family being able to sue despite the fact that he was found "not guilty" was moreso just a broken system.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Also when Watson is charged, be prepared for his folks to start leaking that Cal knew
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I know better than to ask this. But...Out of curiosity. What would be the benefit of leaking that Cal knew? Cal wasn't the one making the appointments or laying on the massage table. How did you get to this assumption?
 
Hardcore Texan said:
One more time. I quoted you for stepping over the line with another poster. You quoted me directly in response and told me you go lower, I responded to YOUR quote. And now I'm lying? Like I said, don't bother responding.
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Yes you are lying because you were responding to me about something I said to another poster because they said something to me first. Either that or this was really just your lack of comprehension. I was obviously referring to that original comment when I initially made the "go low" response. The "you" is open ended...meaning anybody who goes low...and I was responding to someone who made a personal comment that had nothing to do with Deshaun Watson (so if that's your "principle" then keep that same energy with EVERYBODY). My whole point in saying that was, you (now this is literally you) were calling me out for something and ignoring who I was responding to.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I don't know their motives, & won't judge their character. But there's enough revealed that we know Watson's a perverted, entitled, schmuck.
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Watson is the type of person that he would say he wants to play in Houston if he sees we are a competitive team.

Just like this guy:

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cbs1507 said:
Sir if you don't believe me. Then show us the stats that say 100% of rape allegations are the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'll wait...
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Dude Watson's defense isn't that he didn't do any of this crap , but that it was all consensual. He hasn't denied a single instance occurred.

Payment records and all ....

So you buy the idea that all of these women are simply liars and wanted Watson to put his pecker in their hand / mouth / peepee ....
 
Corrosion said:
Dude Watson's defense isn't that he didn't do any of this crap , but that it was all consensual. He hasn't denied a single instance occurred.

Payment records and all ....

So you buy the idea that all of these women are simply liars and wanted Watson to put his pecker in their hand / mouth / peepee ....
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What defense? There is no trial that occurred yet. If you meant the press conference they did in response to the one by Buzbee and the accusers, then he did say there was consensual acts with some. But that isn't his legal "defense" to the 22 Jane Does, cuz a trial hasn't happened yet to sort out which ones there may have been some acts with.
 
otisbean said:
You've repeatedly said this throughout the thread, can you explain to me how exactly this could happen in your mind? I completely understand how being assaulted would have a lasting negative effect on someone's life, so that's not what Im talking about. How can Watson ruin a MT's life if they refuse to book a massage appointment? If the person worked for the Texans then I can see how he could negatively influence their career, but I can't figure out how he could ruin a self employed MT's career. If their entire client base were Texans football players then I can see how this could happen. I can't see it happening any other way. What is he going to do, write negative Yelp/Google reviews? Im just trying to understand how you think this would happen
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The woman who was not associated with Buzbee's lawsuit that gave the podcast interview claimed that she (and her mother) were receiving threatening phone calls, and they had not even filed a lawsuit or made public statements. Not sure of the minute mark in the video where this is stated, but its there.

*IF* the statement is true, how would anyone have known that Watson received a massage from this person without being associated in some way with Watsons circle?

This would be an example of how someone who had not filed a lawsuit might be impacted (if her statements are true).

 
amazing80 said:
I think of it like this,

If we crucify Watson and he's found innocent then we are **** people who crucified him for nothing.

On the other hand, if we say, I would like to hear more from these women to make sure their story checks out, there is no harm or irreversible damage done. I don't believe in wanting FACTS to be a bad thing.

Some on this board believe with 100% certainty Watson did this, based on the claims, and that's your right. But you don't get to talk down to the rest of us who say, let's just wait and see how this plays out before we leap to conclusions.
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cbs1507 said:
What defense? There is no trial that occurred yet. If you meant the press conference they did in response to the one by Buzbee and the accusers, then he did say there was consensual acts with some. But that isn't his legal "defense" to the 22 Jane Does, cuz a trial hasn't happened yet to sort out which ones there may have been some acts with.
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put the pipe down
 
cbs1507 said:
Sir if you don't believe me. Then show us the stats that say 100% of rape allegations are the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'll wait...
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Since most of my posts responding to you have been deleted there's no use in continuing this debate. Nothing I've said is personal.

I'm used to in debates if you make a claim you have to backup that claim. I guess we aren't from the same school of learning how to debate.
 
cbs1507 said:
1) No what you said had nothing to do with what I said. So that's just your personal distortion. Don't attempt to "use my logic" with your own understanding because you fail miserably.

2) My guy you said this is the preferred path. So if you're not gonna explain what that means then we'll just say it's financial reasons. Now with regards to your OJ example. No we don't know that OJ killed Nicole Brown. We only know he was found not guilty based on the evidence. Her family being able to sue despite the fact that he was found "not guilty" was moreso just a broken system.
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Now having the right to file a civil suit equals a broken system?
 
powda said:
So you either follow the law or you don't.


Where are you?
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This is the problem I have with some on this board and their “innocent until proven guilty” argument. They are acting like ANYTHING we say on this message board matters or has any baring on any of this.

You could say Watson burned down your house, ran over your dog, stole your money and beat up your wife on here and the only affect it would have is people laughing at you, saying “Pics or it didn’t happen” and the mods telling you stop being an idiot. As far as Watson and the legal system goes it makes zero difference.

So let’s stop pretending like this is anything more than the court of public opinion which is always a kangaroo court where evidence and facts can be twisted to fit whatever pre-rendered judgement a person makes whether guilty or innocent and both sides are usually right on one level or another. It’s why we don’t allow real lynch mobs with actual rope any more.
 
maverick512000 said:
This is the problem I have with some on this board and their “innocent until proven guilty” argument. They are acting like ANYTHING we say on this message board matters or has any baring on any of this.

You could say Watson burned down your house, ran over your dog, stole your money and beat up your wife on here and the only affect it would have is people laughing at you, saying “Pics or it didn’t happen” and the mods telling you stop being an idiot. As far as Watson and the legal system goes it makes zero difference.

So let’s stop pretending like this is anything more than the court of public opinion which is always a kangaroo court where evidence and facts can be twisted to fit whatever pre-rendered judgement a person makes whether guilty or innocent and both sides are usually right on one level or another. It’s why we don’t allow real lynch mobs with actual rope any more.
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I guess my biggest fundamental issue with it is people on either side are dug in like they know something and lashing out personally at one another.

You don't know sh*t. I don't know sh*t. We don't know sh*t.

And I'm not ready to hang the guy because of he said / she said.

Ya wanna know why?




We don't know sh*t. As I said elsewhere, why bother with a court when the media hands out convictions?

@thunderkyss had the right idea earlier locking this thread. It should be dormant until something relevant happens and then opened for discussion. Until then, we're just cannibalizing each other with speculation.
 
powda said:
I guess my biggest fundamental issue with it is people on either side are dug in like they know something and lashing out personally at one another.

You don't know sh*t. I don't know sh*t. We don't know sh*t.

And I'm not ready to hang the guy because of he said / she said.

Ya wanna know why?




We don't know sh*t. As I said elsewhere, why bother with a court when the media hands out convictions?

@thunderkyss had the right idea earlier locking this thread. It should be dormant until something relevant happens and then opened for discussion. Until then, we're just cannibalizing each other with speculation.
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I get it and I agree, hopefully with the season started we will have other things to talk about especially since we may not be as bad as we feared.

But in reality the media handing out convictions may cost a guy like Watson his endorsements but it’s not going to put him in jail and the ironic part is the media has actually tried to defend him without actually defending him by mostly ignoring it. If you get right down to it this should have been the biggest story in the sports world but Aaron Rodgers arguing with the Packers FO got more attention.

You’re right we don’t know all the facts but as long as none of us are on a jury or on the bench we don’t have to know all the facts because ultimately our opinions are harmless to Watson and his life.
 
steelbtexan said:
Since most of my posts responding to you have been deleted there's no use in continuing this debate. Nothing I've said is personal.

I'm used to in debates if you make a claim you have to backup that claim. I guess we aren't from the same school of learning how to debate.
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I was reading the last couple of posts and was thinking "I'm showing remarkable restraint by not jumping into this madness". But then I came across your post and I realize, I still have some work to do.

You crack me up. It's a good thing I wasn't drinking water. It would be all over my keyboard and monitor.

Edit: For the obtuse. I'm not laughing at the subject or making light of the seriousness of these allegations.
 
powda said:
@thunderkyss had the right idea earlier locking this thread.
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I locked it to catch up on some administrative stuff. A lot of deletable & warning worthy posts we’re going on & I wanted to catch up.

I don’t think locking this thread will help. The going in circles would just spill over to another thread. At least with this one active I know everything that needs to be said has been said & I can ignore the newbies who ask the same questions, or argue something we done argued months ago.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I locked it to catch up on some administrative stuff. A lot of delectable & warning worthy posts we’re going on & I wanted to catch up.

I don’t think locking this thread will help. The going in circles would just spill over to another thread. At least with this one active I know everything that needs to be said has been said & I can ignore the newbies who ask the same questions, or argue something we done argued months ago.
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That's fair from a management perspective. It's your show. However, if this team really starts to perform poorly with something like a 2-7 etc record, fans will probably begin imploding here first. Jmo.

Who needs a "basement thread" or thunderdoom when we've got this?
 
Interesting to look back at some of Watson and Jilly's Instagram supporters' comments:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1372627980850188288

The answer to that question is buried deeply in pathology.

OTHER SIMILAR COMMENTS

Now that it's been well established that he's been having, at minimum if you believe it, consensual sex with the masseuses, wonder how they reconcile their support........
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Jilly Anais' Instagram Birthday Message to Watson.............

Hand in hand? Unless I'm missing something, looks more like hand deep in butt......
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Makes you wonder how tone deaf and in denial is his inner circle.

On one hand, you have observers saying they are living their lives, feels he did nothing wrong and have the right to post whatever pictures they want.

On the other hand, they have to realize the nature of the allegations, public perception and all the drama that will come with his every move. I'm sure she has hundreds of photos to share and that is what she posts? Talk about tone deaf and not reading the room. When you're in a hole, stop digging. SMDH.
 
Earl34 said:
Makes you wonder how tone deaf and in denial is his inner circle.

On one hand, you have observers saying they are living their lives, feels he did nothing wrong and have the right to post whatever pictures they want.

On the other hand, they have to realize the nature of the allegations, public perception and all the drama that will come with his every move. I'm sure she has hundreds of photos to share and that is what she posts? Talk about tone deaf and not reading the room. When you're in a hole, stop digging. SMDH.
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These 2 aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
 
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