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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

badboy said:
I am not sure about civil cases but in criminal he doesn't have to prove anything does he? I thought as a defendant he had to be proven guilty?
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"Proof" can mean a lot of things .... and different things in different cases.

In this case , we have 40+ women all making the same accusations , then you have text messages between the accusers and Watson substantiating these accusations.


Most of you don't realize this but the crux of this case comes down to the definition of "Consent". Watson's definition Vs that established by law.

Bottom line , Consent cannot be given / extracted under duress nor in instances where the victim is mentally incapable.
 
Corrosion said:
No , I wouldn't mind banging a new good lookin chick every night for the next 40 ....

The perversion is the part where he manipulates them into doing things they don't want to do.

Using his position to force them to capitulate .... and then claiming it was "consensual".


That and the .... Oily Anus. "get up in there!!"
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My remark here was only in response to those who thought it weird or whatever that Watson had a large and varied # of women.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Deshaun Watson

It's one thing to wrap up an internal investigation of an owner without any public record, any reveal of evidence or any written document whatsoever. It's relatively easy to broker a settlement of sorts with one of your own, allow him to restructure his organization beforehand and accept what amounts to a suspension without ever having to label it as such or answer any questions in a forthright manner about it … But what Watson is facing is very different.

This is a star player under criminal investigation and facing a civil process while already at war with his franchise. The NFL as a rule takes its cues from the justice system, and with so many allegations from so many complainants, this could linger for months barring a global settlement of sorts. Some suggest the Texans trade him, but I can't see another owner wanting to take on this player under these circumstances and I tend to believe he will end up on the Commissioner's Exempt List to start the season. Either way, barring a settlement, I don't think there is anything close to closure on this situation, and even a settlement itself wouldn't necessarily wrap up the NFL's probe into this matter. I suspect this goes into September.

Jason La Canfora
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Pretty much what you and I have said from the get go .... there aint no end in sight.
 
IDEXAN said:
My remark here was only in response to those who thought it weird or whatever that Watson had a large and varied # of women.
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I really don't believe anyone finds it out of the ordinary that someone of Watson's status would have a large and varied amount of "partners" ..... He could easily find a new tramp every day willing to indulge him.
 
Corrosion said:
"Proof" can mean a lot of things .... and different things in different cases.

In this case , we have 40+ women all making the same accusations , then you have text messages between the accusers and Watson substantiating these accusations.


Most of you don't realize this but the crux of this case comes down to the definition of "Consent". Watson's definition Vs that established by law.

Bottom line , Consent cannot be given / extracted under duress nor in instances where the victim is mentally incapable.
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And you entirely missed the point of my post. I quoted and replied to déjà vu's comment that Watson had to prove he was innocent. Watson does not have to prove anything (legally). He has to be proven guilty as that may be defined by either criminal or civil court.
What some of you do not realize, he is not in criminal court yet.
I m still waiting to see how civil court plays out.
 
Corrosion said:
"Proof" can mean a lot of things .... and different things in different cases.

In this case , we have 40+ women all making the same accusations , then you have text messages between the accusers and Watson substantiating these accusations.


Most of you don't realize this but the crux of this case comes down to the definition of "Consent". Watson's definition Vs that established by law.

Bottom line , Consent cannot be given / extracted under duress nor in instances where the victim is mentally incapable.
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Do you think he gets charged?
 
Corrosion said:
I really don't believe anyone finds it out of the ordinary that someone of Watson's status would have a large and varied amount of "partners" ..... He could easily find a new tramp every day willing to indulge him.
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Watson "learned" about the easy women pickens life from his close cohort Hopkins. But Hopkins knew how to "contain" his avid tastes for variety to those that voluntarily flocked to him. He was never known to force himself because he found no need to. And he took responsibility for his baby mamas. But when Hopkins left the picture, Watson evidently had never bothered to "learn" how to handle the most important aspect of his blessed "gifts"..............to stay within the bounds of those that wanted to bestow those gifts.

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Corrosion said:
I really don't believe anyone finds it out of the ordinary that someone of Watson's status would have a large and varied amount of "partners" ..... He could easily find a new tramp every day willing to indulge him.
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Yep. I doubt anyone is really shocked that a pro athlete regularly has a long line of women as sexual partners. That's S.O.P. for many entertainers (apparently the value of the body is a low price point for many women out there, seeing how willingly and easily they give it up just because someone is famous).

It's his M.O. that is the only part of this story that matters, and it's the part that has cost him endorsements, potential trade destinations, and possible incarceration time and/or massive financial settlements.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Do you think he gets charged?
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I think its an eventuality.


badboy said:
And you entirely missed the point of my post. I quoted and replied to déjà vu's comment that Watson had to prove he was innocent. Watson does not have to prove anything (legally). He has to be proven guilty as that may be defined by either criminal or civil court.
What some of you do not realize, he is not in criminal court yet.
I m still waiting to see how civil court plays out.
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No , he doesn't have to prove himself innocent .... but with the evidence they already possess , it's not going to be all that difficult at all for the prosecution to come away with both wins in the civil cases and multiple convictions in the criminal courts.

The only way he's avoiding criminal convictions is if he's able to buy his way out of every single case and I'd put the odds of that at slim to none .... and slim just left the building.


Them's the facts .... You are free to continue reading tea leaves (tweets and Instagram posts) and making up your own.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Watson "learned" about the easy women pickens life from his close cohort Hopkins. But Hopkins knew how to "contain" his avid tastes for variety to those that voluntarily flocked to him. He was never known to force himself because he found no need to. And he took responsibility for his baby mamas. But when Hopkins left the picture, Watson evidently had never bothered to "learn" how to handle the most important aspect of his blessed "gifts"..............to stay within the bounds of those that wanted to bestow those gifts.

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Exactly. Kind of an extreme "young and stupid" situation. I don’t think it will take long to get a guilty verdict in this one. Only because of the paper trail. In a digital world you can get every single one of the texts and DMs he sent. And from what he said he did contact one of the two women who came forward.
 
Corrosion said:
The only way he's avoiding criminal convictions is if he's able to buy his way out of every single case and I'd put the odds of that at slim to none .... and slim just left the building.
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Interesting he hasn’t been arrested yet.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Exactly. Kind of an extreme "young and stupid" situation. I don’t think it will take long to get a guilty verdict in this one. Only because of the paper trail. In a digital world you can get every single one of the texts and DMs he sent. And from what he said he did contact one of the two women who came forward.
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It all must be encrypted in the cloud & the FBI can’t find their decoder ring.

Facts... the civil suits are tied up with a hefty backlog. We’re not expecting to see any movement on this front until January 2022.

There have been criminal complaints filed. No arrests. Far as we know Watson hasn’t even been questioned by the police.

Yes, I’m losing patience with all the “this is this” & “that is that” speculating we’ve been doing. But there’s not on good reason a serious rape complaint has not resulted in an arrest.

Watson should be out on bail by now, awaiting trial.
 
Corrosion said:
with the evidence they already possess , it's not going to be all that difficult at all for the prosecution to come away with both wins in the civil cases and multiple convictions in the criminal courts
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If Casey Anthony can escape justice than it is not hard to believe that DW can escape justice. Casey escpaped justice and she had no fame or fortune to fall back on. If she can find dumb jurors than you better believe DW can as well. Even more so due to his fame and fortune. Unless evidence is so clear cut that there is no wiggle room to find him innocent, he could very well get off scott free.
 
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thunderkyss said:
It all must be encrypted in the cloud & the FBI can’t find their decoder ring.

Facts... the civil suits are tied up with a hefty backlog. We’re not expecting to see any movement on this front until January 2022.

There have been criminal complaints filed. No arrests. Far as we know Watson hasn’t even been questioned by the police.

Yes, I’m losing patience with all the “this is this” & “that is that” speculating we’ve been doing. But there’s not on good reason a serious rape complaint has not resulted in an arrest.

Watson should be out on bail by now, awaiting trial.
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There have been at least 11 criminal complaints filed.(@CloakNNNdagger 's source says that number is 13).

I think his arrest is an eventuality ....
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
If Casey Anthony can escape justice than it is not hard to believe that DW can escape justice. Casey escpaped justice and she had no fame or fortune to fall back on. If she can find dumb jurors than you better believe DW can as well. Even more so due to his fame and fortune. Unless evidence is so clear cut that there is no wiggle room to find him innocent, he could very well get off scott free.
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Don’t ever forget the manipulative abilities of a woman to escape penalties in the courts of justice that a man could never escape. Gender bias.
 
Corrosion said:
There have been at least 11 criminal complaints filed.(@CloakNNNdagger 's source says that number is 13).
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I think his
Corrosion said:
I think its an eventuality.





No , he doesn't have to prove himself innocent .... but with the evidence they already possess , it's not going to be all that difficult at all for the prosecution to come away with both wins in the civil cases and multiple convictions in the criminal courts.

The only way he's avoiding criminal convictions is if he's able to buy his way out of every single case and I'd put the odds of that at slim to none .... and slim just left the building.


Them's the facts .... You are free to continue reading tea leaves (tweets and Instagram posts) and making up your own.
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Exactly what evidence are you talking about for the criminal cases?? We have not seen any that I am aware of. A lot of accusations but numbers does not equate to evidence in a criminal trial as others have stated . What facts have I made up? You just said again "evidence they possess". What is it? You say he will be convicted multiple times in criminal court which has to mean you know the evidence that will convict; so please share.

It just seems apparent that your posts are based upon what you hope happens rather than what you know will happen.
 
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badboy said:
I think his

Exactly what evidence are you talking about for the criminal cases?? We have not seen any that I am aware of. A lot of accusations but numbers does not equate to evidence in a criminal trial as others have stated . What facts have I made up? You just said again "evidence they possess". What is it? You say he will be convicted multiple times in criminal court which has to mean you know the evidence that will convict; so please share.

It just seems apparent that your posts are based upon what you hope happens rather than what you know will happen.
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No different than posters damning the Texans to hell before they know what is going to happen going forward.
 
badboy said:
Surprising to me is with all the "evidence " some posters insist exist without any evidence of said evidence, Watson has evidently not yet been questioned by police or NFL.
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The time for questioning will come soon enough.
 
thunderkyss said:
It all must be encrypted in the cloud & the FBI can’t find their decoder ring.

Facts... the civil suits are tied up with a hefty backlog. We’re not expecting to see any movement on this front until January 2022.

There have been criminal complaints filed. No arrests. Far as we know Watson hasn’t even been questioned by the police.

Yes, I’m losing patience with all the “this is this” & “that is that” speculating we’ve been doing. But there’s not on good reason a serious rape complaint has not resulted in an arrest.

Watson should be out on bail by now, awaiting trial.
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Couldn't agree more with the last sentence in particular
 
thunderkyss said:
I believe it.



The longer this drags out, the less likely

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That could be true. However, it also is giving more time for more evidence and/or women to come forward. Side note, didn't a few drop off because of the lawsuits due to not wanting to have their name disclosed? If so have they refiled or are they still withdrawn?
 
I questioned this move real time. In a statement in April, Hardin said, based on his firm’s internal discussions with Watson, “the answer to the question of whether we are saying that all 22 plaintiffs are lying about the allegations of sexual misconduct by Mr. Watson is a resounding yes.” Calling all the plaintiffs out in public as "LIARS" cannot help but make settlement at very least much more difficult for the defendant.........and now gives the plaintiffs a huge incentive to push for trial. But if settlement is even still a consideration, it just bumped the potentially sought settlement end point $$$$s into a much higher bracket. Either way, that statement by Hardin did not reflect one of his finer moments.
 
badboy said:
I think his

Exactly what evidence are you talking about for the criminal cases?? We have not seen any that I am aware of. A lot of accusations but numbers does not equate to evidence in a criminal trial as others have stated . What facts have I made up? You just said again "evidence they possess". What is it? You say he will be convicted multiple times in criminal court which has to mean you know the evidence that will convict; so please share.

It just seems apparent that your posts are based upon what you hope happens rather than what you know will happen.
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I explained it here:
Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson | Page 115 | Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com
 
Thorn said:
Harris County has got court cases backed up for years. We've got murderers roaming the streets who are out on bail so I wouldn't look to our justice system for anything quick, or meaningful, to happen.
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yes
But Watson is not a court case yet. Charges filed but not known if DA took to Grand Jury. High profile case DA should be all over it and pushing police or DAs investigator to question DW.

And Apparently that has not happened yet.
 
badboy said:
Larry from Stafford! Been calling in for years..
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Larry should be named Houston's version "Mouth of the South." He is an angry young man who when it comes to the Texans never loses an opportunity to bash the Texans organization. Over the years, he has seldom had positive takes on the GMs, coaches and even players. He likes to agitate whenever things are already not going well. And finds support from fans that are already upset about events.............he essentially counts on and promotes herd mentality........and usually not in a good way.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Larry should be named Houston's version "Mouth of the South." He is an angry young man who when it comes to the Texans never loses an opportunity to bash the Texans organization. Over the years, he has seldom had positive takes on the GMs, coaches and even players. He likes to agitate whenever things are already not going well. And finds support from fans that are already upset about events.............he essentially counts on and promotes herd mentality........and usually not in a good way.
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He's acting like the Texans F'd over Watson. I'm still laughing at his statement about Watson holding players accountable. I wanted to call him and ask does Watson even know the meaning of accountability.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Larry should be named Houston's version "Mouth of the South." He is an angry young man who when it comes to the Texans never loses an opportunity to bash the Texans organization. Over the years, he has seldom had positive takes on the GMs, coaches and even players. He likes to agitate whenever things are already not going well. And finds support from fans that are already upset about events.............he essentially counts on and promotes herd mentality........and usually not in a good way.
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You called it! When I realized that Larry is on the phone that Larry is on the phone either disconnect or is disconnect or change radio stations.
CloakNNNdagger said:
Larry should be named Houston's version "Mouth of the South." He is an angry young man who when it comes to the Texans never loses an opportunity to bash the Texans organization. Over the years, he has seldom had positive takes on the GMs, coaches and even players. He likes to agitate whenever things are already not going well. And finds support from fans that are already upset about events.............he essentially counts on and promotes herd mentality........and usually not in a good way.
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You called it! Larry is nothing but an agitator and when I recognize him being on the radio I either change channels or turn off the radio.
 
Interesting a comment I posted yesterday has disappeared in this thread. Usually if that happens I'm notified through alerts..not so on this.
It was my surprise that after such a long time evidence against DW evidently had not been presented.

IIRC someone had 'liked" the comment. I do not see it in another thread.
 
badboy said:
Interesting a comment I posted yesterday has disappeared in this thread. Usually if that happens I'm notified through alerts..not so on this.
It was my surprise that after such a long time evidence against DW evidently had not been presented.

IIRC someone had 'liked" the comment. I do not see it in another thread.
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Well G O L L Y, I looked again and found it:

badboy said:
Surprising to me is with all the "evidence " some posters insist exist without any evidence of said evidence, Watson has evidently not yet been questioned by police or NFL.
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Guess it was moved to the Watson sexual assault thread.
 
Thorn said:
Harris County has got court cases backed up for years. We've got murderers roaming the streets who are out on bail so I wouldn't look to our justice system for anything quick, or meaningful, to happen.
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It will eventually.
 
badboy said:
yes
But Watson is not a court case yet. Charges filed but not known if DA took to Grand Jury. High profile case DA should be all over it and pushing police or DAs investigator to question DW.

And Apparently that has not happened yet.
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Covid-19 related?

The courts are backlogged?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Larry should be named Houston's version "Mouth of the South." He is an angry young man who when it comes to the Texans never loses an opportunity to bash the Texans organization. Over the years, he has seldom had positive takes on the GMs, coaches and even players. He likes to agitate whenever things are already not going well. And finds support from fans that are already upset about events.............he essentially counts on and promotes herd mentality........and usually not in a good way.
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BTW, he's got every reason to bash the Texans org.

Probably for reasons he's not aware of, or reasons he's unwilling to admit.
 
thunderkyss said:
It all must be encrypted in the cloud & the FBI can’t find their decoder ring.

Facts... the civil suits are tied up with a hefty backlog. We’re not expecting to see any movement on this front until January 2022.

There have been criminal complaints filed. No arrests. Far as we know Watson hasn’t even been questioned by the police.

Yes, I’m losing patience with all the “this is this” & “that is that” speculating we’ve been doing. But there’s not on good reason a serious rape complaint has not resulted in an arrest.

Watson should be out on bail by now, awaiting trial.
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They do take time. Especially with 11 plus complaints being filed. One sexual assault alone, in Harris County takes time because most of the time they date of the offense is months ago maybe years
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1413214352077959181

I would not like this if I were a Bears fan.
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Corrosion said:
Tua will play football this year .... the other option wont.
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I gotta wonder. If Watson is still pulling these stunts in the cities he has been in this offseason
 
djohn2oo8 said:
They do take time. Especially with 11 plus complaints being filed. One sexual assault alone, in Harris County takes time because most of the time they date of the offense is months ago maybe years


I gotta wonder. If Watson is still pulling these stunts in the cities he has been in this offseason
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Both the Pervert/Fields have Mulageta as their agent and Avery is their QB coach. Trash hanging out with trash.
 
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