Should we trade Watson?

[badboy]

I would definitely try to trade up to #2 in that situation and grab Wilson. Trade Tua. He’s a mess and has too many red flags.
Also, I’m not sure about the Madden trades your coming up with.

Well I'm not sure of my trades either but I think that they are a possibility. Perhaps you could come out with some reasons why each is not a possibility?

I am not sure how many mock drafts you review but most folks that mock consistently offer many scenarios.
Mine are to encourage thinking and offering some info that some may not have.

 

[badboy]

Why take Watson instead of just drafting Zach ? One of them is "the real deal" the other is nothing but potential.

I’m not seeing the suggestion that MIA has some kind of overwhelming power to aquire Watson over NYJs. There’s absolutely nothing MIA has that NYJ can’t beat out and they are picking one, single pick behind NYJ at 3. It’s a lame argument and makes no sense whatsoever.
NYJ have MORE than MIA and are picking ahead of them at the most important pick and that’s #2.
NYJs have a more coveted QB between Darnold and Tua by far and NYJ have more trade pieces with better value and on top of all of that, NYJ have a ton more money in FA. Waaay more money to play with.
NYJ are playing with house money. They have a boatload of high picks the next 2 years, and a ton of FA money, and can offer Darnold as well, who can just be traded for more by HOU to another team.
I think there are folks trying to convince themselves to cater to some ulterior motive in aquiring a player or some such nonsense and it makes no sense.
[/QUOTE]
I agree with much of what you say but disagree on darnold over Tua. If healthy Tua T is better by far than Sam darnold and I think PFF agrees with me as they ranked Tag playing after a devastating injury higher.
As I've posted:

1.2 to 1.3 gets Wilson

1.18 >1.23

2.34< 2.35 and 2.50

2022 picks not now known Should be in favor of a trade with jets.

Discussed players:

Shut down corner X Howard > a good Q Williams.

I would be very happy with either deal.

 

[srrono]

My 2 cents on Watson trade if must.
1. At least 3 1st rounders
2. At least 2 2nd rounders
3. A probowl player at High valued position
4. A couple young upcoming stars
5. Team must take back a bad contract

 

[Texian]

For sure NYJ's best offer can trump all others , Miami included.

Thing is , they have options - Zach Wilson is a fantastic prospect , I think he might be the best QB in this draft ... keep the rest of those picks and build around him.

Or do you take the proven top 5-8 QB in Watson ?

I don't really want to send him to Miami .... but that's not because their offer isn't better than everyone (except NYJ) but because I don't want to send him to a team ready to win , especially if I'm getting future draft picks .... but also out of pure spite and as a screw you on the way out like you screwed my franchise.

If Jets were to trade for DW4 and Cooks and sign either Robinson or Fuller their offense instantly has 4000+ yards passing and 30+ TDs. What is that worth?

 

[otisbean]

If Jets were to trade for DW4 and Cooks and sign either Robinson or Fuller their offense instantly has 4000+ yards passing and 30+ TDs. What is that worth?

Not to mention that the Texans would be paying a chunk of DW’s salary

 

[steelbtexan]

Nope. Wrong. Count 'em. 6 picks and Q.
Your post 3252 you said that what you had listed was more likely for a DW 4 Value in a trade than wildroot value. You continued in fact may get less than what you had listed.

Your post 3270 said laughable trading DW4 for 7 picks.

Jack Burton 3274 Exactly lol in response to YOU saying 7 picks.

My post 3311 quoted your post 3252 and I said your evaluation is a possibility or dead wrong.

Your post 3318 "you think they will get 7 picks?"

I never said 7 picks nor did Wildroot. I was replying to you evaluation of what DW4 could bring.

Ok I counted wrong. I dont understand why you would make this kind of long post over the differenc of 1 freaking pick. But oh well, to each there own. I guess I should expect this from preposterous trade guy.

6 picks, you arent going to get 6 picks. Unless maybe if you're willing to throw in one of your picks.

The most I see them getting for DW4 is three 1sts and a couple of 2nds at the most.

 

[CWTexansFan]

If any Texan fans follow Watson and become fin fans you are welcome to them. Be helping us clear out our board but I warn you that in their eyes you will never lose a game because of the QB again and anyone that says otherwise should be dragged out into the streets.

Hey mods, am I allowed to put "**** Watson" as my title?
Thank you sirs and madames.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

 

[badboy]

Ok I counted wrong. I dont understand why you would make this kind of long post over the differenc of 1 freaking pick. But oh well, to each there own. I guess I should expect this from preposterous trade guy.

6 picks, you arent going to get 6 picks. Unless maybe if you're willing to throw in one of your picks.

The most I see them getting for DW4 is three 1sts and a couple of 2nds at the most.

As usual you missed the point even though I pointed it out to you again. It wasn't about six or seven picks. my post to you was about you stating your evaluation of a trade was more likely than wildroot's. You stated that the actual package we receive would be less than what he said And maybe even less than what you said. I replied your POV is possible but just as possible it could be wrong. You just refuse to consider that you can be wrong.

My opinion is that many posters on this message board think a large Percentage of what you say is preposterous and yet you rattle on.

I get that my opinion is just that..what I think. To you your opinion is fact and any who disagrees is stupid.

 

[FireBOB]

I dont understand why you would make this kind of long post over the differenc of 1 freaking pick.

Yeah, no one would ever quibble about one measly pick.

6 picks, you arent going to get 6 picks.

The most I see them getting for DW4 is three 1sts and a couple of 2nds at the most.

Oh, perhaps I was wrong.

 

[Texian]

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I don't think loyalty means what Deshaun thinks it means. There is regular, real everyday loyalty and then there is $160MM loyalty.

 

[Texian]

Ok I counted wrong. I dont understand why you would make this kind of long post over the differenc of 1 freaking pick. But oh well, to each there own. I guess I should expect this from preposterous trade guy.

6 picks, you arent going to get 6 picks. Unless maybe if you're willing to throw in one of your picks.

The most I see them getting for DW4 is three 1sts and a couple of 2nds at the most.

3 1st for DW4 and an additional 1st for picking up $20MM of his salary. I would also want the 3rd rd from the Jamal Adams trade and an additional 2nd rd Jets pick or Darnold. That's pretty darn cheap for 4000+ yards passing and 30+ TDs.

 

[maverick512000]

I don't think loyalty means what Deshaun thinks it means. There is regular, real everyday loyalty and then there is $160MM loyalty.

Then there is loyalty enforced by a legally binding contract.

 

[Texansballer74]

So let me get this straight, if Watson is traded the Texans will eat 67 million in deadcap. Are you Fn kidding me,

 

[badboy]

So let me get this straight, if Watson is traded the Texans will eat 67 million in deadcap. Are you Fn kidding me,

Just read corrosion post. $21.6 m of his signing bonus only that had been prorated. If traded a signing bonus automatically hits the cap the year of the trade unless the trade is after June 1st.

 

[steelbtexan]

As usual you missed the point even though I pointed it out to you again. It wasn't about six or seven picks. my post to you was about you stating your evaluation of a trade was more likely than wildroot's. You stated that the actual package we receive would be less than what he said And maybe even less than what you said. I replied your POV is possible but just as possible it could be wrong. You just refuse to consider that you can be wrong.

My opinion is that many posters on this message board think a large Percentage of what you say is preposterous and yet you rattle on.

I get that my opinion is just that..what I think. To you your opinion is fact and any who disagrees is stupid.

Wrong

I do believe that it's a touch narcissistic to make a big deal out whether it's 6 or 7 picks. You totally missed the point. Not surprised

 

[steelbtexan]

Yeah, no one would ever quibble about one measly pick.




Oh, perhaps I was wrong.

You were wrong and missed the point I was trying to make.

 

[badboy]

Wrong

I do believe that it's a touch narcissistic to make a big deal out whether it's 6 or 7 picks. You totally missed the point. Not surprised

Last time.. I did not bring up the picks YOU DID! That is why I took time to list each post so you could not argue. I disagreed when you said your evaluation would be best not Wildroot.

Moving on as all know you will continue your blind insistence.

 

[Double Barrel]

This "loyalty" tweet ....

Who's he being loyal to ?

Certainly not the people who gave him his opportunity , nor the people who made him a wealthy man.

How would Bieniemy or Saleh fit into this statement ? They've never been anything but opponents.

Does he feel Cal wasn't loyal to him because he didn't hire who he wanted for GM ? (That's the hire that triggered the tantrum - forget about the coach spot)

I don't see any way Cal wasn't "loyal" .... You'll have input doesn't mean you'll ultimately make the choice.

The more I think about this situation , Watson doesn't want to go thru the pain of a rebuild and "waste one of his years" cause really , he has no legit complaint with any decision that's been made this offseason. No one , not Cal , not Caserio and not even Easterby has done him any wrong since the season ended.

I'm starting to wonder the same thing, as well as if the "loyalty" he is talking about has to do with Bill O'Brien. He might have loved him some King Bill, the same guy that "coached him hard" and paid him very, very well.

I read something on PFT that said it would be bad for the Texans and that FA's wouldn't wont to come to Houston. I was thinking how's this and that the Texans really aren't players in the FA market so tell me again how they would be hurt? What am I missing here?

Then I realized with the Florio fluff pieces and his the Texans are gonna suck if they dont trade DW4 (Like they didn't suck with him, Florio never brings up the 14% thingy, I wonder why? PFT used to be a good site, not so much anymore.

Florio has just gotten worse since he added know-it-all Chris Simms to his show. I watch a little from time to time, mainly just for background noise, but there comes a certain point where you can clearly see his agendas influencing his perspectives. He's not an objective journalist. He's a bland entertainment personality, not much different than Skip Bayless or dozens of other talking heads vying for our limited attention spans.

Regardless of whether it was 2014 or 2021 doesn't change the fact that he grew up without a father. The date was on the tweet for all to see. Who is to say he does not have no-daddy issues? Apparently he does.

Curious, I Googled his tweet, and it is once again a rap lyric ("my heart cold cause i grew up without my father but it really made me smarter..it made me grind harder").

Maybe it's just me, but a grown man hiding behind song lyrics to represent his own thoughts just seems weird. Then again, I'm old school. Say what you mean, mean what you say sort of thing. I've been told by my oldest son that this is just not how many dudes in his generation see things. They like to play hide and seek on social media. Be mysterious.

Maybe Bill O'Brien became his surrogate father after Dabo Swinney? It would certainly shed some potential light on his loyalty tweet. Maybe that was a shot at the Texans for firing O'Brien?

Hey mods, am I allowed to put "**** Watson" as my title?
Thank you sirs and madames.

Sure. **** could mean lots of things. ILUV Watson, for instance.

 

[steelbtexan]

3 1st for DW4 and an additional 1st for picking up $20MM of his salary. I would also want the 3rd rd from the Jamal Adams trade and an additional 2nd rd Jets pick or Darnold. That's pretty darn cheap for 4000+ yards passing and 30+ TDs.

You aren't getting four 1sts for DW4.

You might get three 1sts a 2nd and Darnold at the most.

I would take Two 1sts, two 2nds and Darnold. Of course I think less of DW4 than most

 

[steelbtexan]

Last time.. I did not bring up the picks YOU DID! That is why I took time to list each post so you could not argue. I disagreed when you said your evaluation would be best not Wildroot.

Moving on as all know you will continue your blind insistence.

I think you probably need to stay out of others conversations.

I was looking at Powda and your convo yesterday (Which I stayed out of on purpose and actually said to myself BB's not that kind of guy.) Now I'm beginning to see where he is coming from.

 

[Texian]

You aren't getting four 1sts for DW4.

You might get three 1sts a 2nd and Darnold at the most.

I would take Two 1sts, two 2nds and Darnold. Of course I think less of DW4 than most

Thanks but no thanks. No discounts on 4000+ yards passing, 30+ TDs and $21.6MM salary paid.

 

[steelbtexan]

Thanks but no thanks. No discounts on 4000+ yards passing, 30+ TDs and $21.6MM salary paid.

Good, then you should be more than willing to hold onto him and hope you can get what you want for him next season. Not really a bad option IMHO.

I look at DW4's stats as being inflated from playing from behind so much last yr. I truly hope there's a GM out there that looks at DW4 the way you do, but I have my doubts.

 

[thunderkyss]

I look at DW4's stats as being inflated from playing from behind so much last yr. I truly hope there's a GM out there that looks at DW4 the way you do, but I have my doubts.

So Sam Darnold should have led the league in passing. Or Kyler Murray should be in the top 10.

 

[steelbtexan]

So Sam Darnold should have led the league in passing. Or Kyler Murray should be in the top 10.

Darnold didn't have the talent around him

Murray was actually having a better yr than DW4 when you take into account his rushing yds/TD's before he got injured. IMHO

 

[Jack Burton]

Well I'm not sure of my trades either but I think that they are a possibility. Perhaps you could come out with some reasons why each is not a possibility?

I am not sure how many mock drafts you review but most folks that mock consistently offer many scenarios.
Mine are to encourage thinking and offering some info that some may not have.

Lets look at this “trade scenario” from the perspective of an NFL owner or GM.
What is the most important position in the NFL?
Obviously the QB. By far. No other position is even close.
Hell, it’s the most important position in all of sports, period.
So, if your Caserio and you already have a franchise QB and you’ve made the decision, for whatever reason, of trading him, what do you need to do to offset your loss of a franchise QB? You must replenish that position. Period. Everything else is just window dressing. And it ultimately doesn’t matter. Picks, players, money, etc, etc. it’s in the end totally secondary to getting another franchise QB. That is priority #1 and it’s really the only priority in the grand scheme of this trade.
So, how can Caserio get another franchise QB?
It’s looking like it will be really hard to get an Aaron Rogers or a Russell Wilson. For whatever reason, I think you’d agree there. Probably not happening, but who knows.
The only other option is to aquire what you believe is a sure fire franchise QB in the very next draft. Not next year, cause who knows what can happen between now and then.
No, the priority is to get one ASAP. Never wait cause more than likely you’ll regret it. It also shows the fan base there’s a plan going forward and it shows the players currently on the team there’s a plan as well. Continuity. Plus, you won’t win without one. LoL.
This is the only priority. Everything else is secondary. If your going to trade a franchise QB, you better have a plan, using that franchise QB to get another one. The other players or picks that accompany the franchise QB are gravy but who cares. Howard, Darnold, Tua, Williams, whatever. They represent money and value and that’s great but a franchise QB represents waaaaay more.
And you know this. That’s why your own hypotheticals have Watson being so valuable. He’s a sure fire, proven franchise QB.
All that matters is getting that #2 pick. That’s the floor.
Everything else is nice but it’s ultimately inconsequential and will not have a true bearing on the outcome of the franchise.
And with all of that, we don’t even know if the QB taken at #2 will pan out. But that’s the best possible course of action with the best odds and successful outcome of this situation. HOU must put themselves in a situation where they can pivot from Watson to another franchise QB and only by aquiring the #2 pick can they make that happen.
It’s imperative that any and all trade scenarios net them that #2 pick. Everything else, including a trade with MIA for #3 doesn’t get them to their floor.
Now, I expect NC already is well ahead of us in understanding this. And I expect if and when he does finally take trade options he will consult NYJ before agreeing to any trade unless it gets him that #2 pick.
For example, if MIA wanted Watson, whatever they are offering in some capacity would then go into another trade with NYJ for #2. a sort of 3 way deal with everyone getting what they wanted and most importantly, HOU getting #2.
Along with some gravy of course.

 

[Norg]

i just want picks and no players If NIck is has good has he think he is Give him the chips and let him go to work and find us some diamonds in the haystack

i wish we could get this over with so we can look foward to the draft ...if watson does not wanna be here then just let him go thats his own personal problems .. lets get some players that acctually wanna be here and move on

 

[Norg]

Lets look at this “trade scenario” from the perspective of an NFL owner or GM.
What is the most important position in the NFL?
Obviously the QB. By far. No other position is even close.
Hell, it’s the most important position in all of sports, period.
So, if your Caserio and you already have a franchise QB and you’ve made the decision, for whatever reason, of trading him, what do you need to do to offset your loss of a franchise QB? You must replenish that position. Period. Everything else is just window dressing. And it ultimately doesn’t matter. Picks, players, money, etc, etc. it’s in the end totally secondary to getting another franchise QB. That is priority #1 and it’s really the only priority in the grand scheme of this trade.
So, how can Caserio get another franchise QB?
It’s looking like it will be really hard to get an Aaron Rogers or a Russell Wilson. For whatever reason, I think you’d agree there. Probably not happening, but who knows.
The only other option is to aquire what you believe is a sure fire franchise QB in the very next draft. Not next year, cause who knows what can happen between now and then.
No, the priority is to get one ASAP. Never wait cause more than likely you’ll regret it. It also shows the fan base there’s a plan going forward and it shows the players currently on the team there’s a plan as well. Continuity. Plus, you won’t win without one. LoL.
This is the only priority. Everything else is secondary. If your going to trade a franchise QB, you better have a plan, using that franchise QB to get another one. The other players or picks that accompany the franchise QB are gravy but who cares. Howard, Darnold, Tua, Williams, whatever. They represent money and value and that’s great but a franchise QB represents waaaaay more.
And you know this. That’s why your own hypotheticals have Watson being so valuable. He’s a sure fire, proven franchise QB.
All that matters is getting that #2 pick. That’s the floor.
Everything else is nice but it’s ultimately inconsequential and will not have a true bearing on the outcome of the franchise.
And with all of that, we don’t even know if the QB taken at #2 will pan out. But that’s the best possible course of action with the best odds and successful outcome of this situation. HOU must put themselves in a situation where they can pivot from Watson to another franchise QB and only by aquiring the #2 pick can they make that happen.
It’s imperative that any and all trade scenarios net them that #2 pick. Everything else, including a trade with MIA for #3 doesn’t get them to their floor.
Now, I expect NC already is well ahead of us in understanding this. And I expect if and when he does finally take trade options he will consult NYJ before agreeing to any trade unless it gets him that #2 pick.
For example, if MIA wanted Watson, whatever they are offering in some capacity would then go into another trade with NYJ for #2. a sort of 3 way deal with everyone getting what they wanted and most importantly, HOU getting #2.
Along with some gravy of course.

if we trade watson ...we have time we dont have to get a "franchise QB" this year this is a 2 year rebuild so we can find one next year Maybe

i could see nick acctually trade back with our 1st round pick to get more picks ...if he hasent already identify his Guy at QB ...??? IDK

either way we are tanking 2021 so in 2022 we will even have higher value picks next year along with out watson trade picks ... WE going to be buried in picks !!!! ... the key is can NICK HIT on them picks ..... should be intresting

 

[Jack Burton]

if we trade watson ...we have time we dont have to get a "franchise QB" this year this is a 2 year rebuild so we can find one next year Maybe

i could see nick acctually trade back with our 1st round pick to get more picks ...if he hasent already identify his Guy at QB ...??? IDK

either way we are tanking 2021 so in 2022 we will even have higher value picks next year along with out watson trade picks ... WE going to be buried in picks !!!! ... the key is can NICK HIT on them picks ..... should be intresting

You never wait. Ever. That’s a recipe for disaster and then your the one left in the corner saying, “I should have just drafted Mahomes. Dammit!!” Like SF. Like CHI.
And the other teams that needed a QB and passed.
Question.
Do you think Nick Caserio is wondering what his former boss Bill Belichick is feeling right now after he let his HOF QB walk to another team only to go and win another SB?
Yeah, I thought so. Caserio isn’t going to be the one without a chair when the music stops.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I don’t think Caserio even picks up the phone if the team calling has (3) RD1, (1) RD2, and a top player as their finest offer.

The moment Caserio officially puts Watson on the market it will be due to Watson agreeing to waive his NTC so Caserio can find him a new home. Caserio, Watson, and his agent know that the only 2 teams with the draft assets, cap space, and available players to make a trade is NYJ and Miami whether the NTC is in place or not.

By opening the Watson bidding to the NFL....teams that desire Watson could in fact help drive the Texans return up. It could get another bump when it boils down to the Jets and Dolphins.

I think the top offer could easily hit (4) RD1, (1) RD2, and (2) players or (1) player and another RD2 in the 2022 or 2023 NFL Draft(s).

I feel, if there was one thing Caserio took away from working with Belichick.....how to be a shrewd negotiator. Watson isn’t leaving Kirby unless he returns a rebuild bounty in picks.

 

[Jack Burton]

I don’t think Caserio even picks up the phone if the team calling has (3) RD1, (1) RD2, and a top player as their finest offer.

The moment Caserio officially puts Watson on the market it will be due to Watson agreeing to waive his NTC so Caserio can find him a new home. Caserio, Watson, and his agent know that the only 2 teams with the draft assets, cap space, and available players to make a trade is NYJ and Miami whether the NTC is in place or not.

By opening the Watson bidding to the NFL....teams that desire Watson could in fact help drive the Texans return up. It could get another bump when it boils down to the Jets and Dolphins.

I think the top offer could easily hit (4) RD1, (1) RD2, and (2) players or (1) player and another RD2 in the 2022 or 2023 NFL Draft(s).

I feel, if there was one thing Caserio took away from working with Belichick.....how to be a shrewd negotiator. Watson isn’t leaving Kirby unless he returns a rebuild bounty in picks.

I agree, especially the Belichick stuff, however those pics have to net Caserio the #2 pick. Everything else is ultimately meaningless.
What is your opinion of the QBs in this draft?

 

[badboy]

I think you probably need to stay out of others conversations.

I was looking at Powda and your convo yesterday (Which I stayed out of on purpose and actually said to myself BB's not that kind of guy.) Now I'm beginning to see where he is coming from.

If you want discussion that only you and certain people you choose can comment on that's called a private message. Threads are for all to comment and add input.
Since you brought it up you and Powda do have much in common being 2 of most controversial posters on MB. Neither of you can stand anyone disagreeing with you.
Go ahead. Have the last word.

 

[steelbtexan]

If you want discussion that only you and certain people you choose can comment on that's called a private message. Threads are for all to comment and add input.
Since you brought it up you and Powda do have much in common being 2 of most controversial posters on MB. Neither of you can stand anyone disagreeing with you.
Go ahead. Have the last word.

Unlike you I have had personal relationships with people on this MB that have disagreed with me something you obviously dont understand. Cak and I for instance used to talk on the phone regularly and we disagreed on most things. We call it debate. You can have the last word.

 

[Thorn]

If you want discussion that only you and certain people you choose can comment on that's called a private message. Threads are for all to comment and add input.
Since you brought it up you and Powda do have much in common being 2 of most controversial posters on MB. Neither of you can stand anyone disagreeing with you.
Go ahead. Have the last word.

The problem with that kind of judgement making is you lose track of who's right and who's wrong. As I have repeatedly stated, I am the only one on the board who is in all cases correct. Powda and SteelB are only right when they are in agreement with me.

 

[badboy]

Unlike you I have had personal relationships with people on this MB that have disagreed with me something you obviously dont understand. Cak and I for instance used to talk on the phone regularly and we disagreed on most things. We call it debate. You can have the last word.

See there you go again living in your own little mind. How in the world could you know whom I have relationships with and whom I do not on this message board. LOL

 

[steelbtexan]

See there you go again living in your own little mind. How in the world could you know whom I have relationships with and whom I do not on this message board. LOL

You missed the point and I do know that you talk on the phone to some of the same members I talk too. They've told me.

BTW, One of the reasons the highly entertaining BB/BL/RM Mock draft went away was because of your need to be right and I got that from the horses mouth. You need to learn to play better with others.

 

[maverick512000]

You never wait. Ever. That’s a recipe for disaster and then your the one left in the corner saying, “I should have just drafted Mahomes. Dammit!!” Like SF. Like CHI.
And the other teams that needed a QB and passed.
Question.
Do you think Nick Caserio is wondering what his former boss Bill Belichick is feeling right now after he let his HOF QB walk to another team only to go and win another SB?
Yeah, I thought so. Caserio isn’t going to be the one without a chair when the music stops.

That’s not on Belichick, BB had a plan in place for life post Brady but Brady got Kraft to overrule that and forced them to trade Jimmy G. If I was BB I wouldn’t look for another QB till after Brady left either because who’s to say same thing won’t happen again.

 

[maverick512000]

Unlike you I have had personal relationships with people on this MB that have disagreed with me something you obviously dont understand. Cak and I for instance used to talk on the phone regularly and we disagreed on most things. We call it debate. You can have the last word.

How is Cak these days? Would love to have his take on all this from a legal point of view.

 

[steelbtexan]

How is Cak these days? Would love to have his take on all this from a legal point of view.

Haven't heard from him in a while.

He called me about a week ago but my phone was charging and I missed the call.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I agree, especially the Belichick stuff, however those pics have to net Caserio the #2 pick. Everything else is ultimately meaningless.
What is your opinion of the QBs in this draft?

I believe I was the first poster to bring up Zach Wilson’s name. I had the Texans using one of their RD4 picks to get him. This was when he was projected in the mid rounds. Then his stock took off and has now moved him to his final resting spot....#2 QB in the draft.

Honestly, I liked him far more as a mid round prospect than a RD1-02 pick. This past C-19 season could go down as the season that actually inflated the value of many prospects. The jump Wilson’s stock took could have some team drafting the next Cutler versus Mahomes. I’d hate to spend a RD1-02 or 03 on what may turn out to be an inflated prospect. There would be teams that missed out on Watson who would absolutely be salivating for the #2 or #3 pick if the Texans possessed it and were willing to move back in the draft. That would be another little windfall in draft assets.

If the Texans and Caserio can build this team through the next 2 drafts while knocking the cap way down, they could then find themselves in same enviable position the Colts have been in for the past 2 seasons.

 

[Corrosion]

Haven't heard from him in a while.

He called me about a week ago but my phone was charging and I missed the call.

He called me too and I missed it ..... probably the same day.

 

[mussop]

i Want a trade with the Jets. I want #2, #23, this years second next years 1st and 2nd Q Williams and M Becton.

in return they get Watson, Cooks and Tunsil.

draft Wilson #2 if he looks like a franchise player. If not trade back and load up on draft picks. the rams pulled this trade off for the number two pick and took Robert Griffen.

Details:

St. Louis Rams received:

• Picks No. 6, 39 in the 2012 draft
• Pick No. 22 in the 2013 draft
• Pick 2 in the 2014 draft

there are 11 teams that should be looking for a QB. Start a bidding war for #2 and pile up even more picks. That might be our best hope at a quick rebu

Washington Redskins received:

• Pick No. 2 in the 2012 draft

 

[76Texan]

i Want a trade with the Jets. I want #2, #23, this years second next years 1st and 2nd Q Williams and M Becton.

in return they get Watson, Cooks and Tunsil.

draft Wilson #2 if he looks like a franchise player. If not trade back and load up on draft picks. the rams pulled this trade off for the number two pick and took Robert Griffen.

Details:

St. Louis Rams received:

• Picks No. 6, 39 in the 2012 draft
• Pick No. 22 in the 2013 draft
• Pick 2 in the 2014 draft

there are 11 teams that should be looking for a QB. Start a bidding war for #2 and pile up even more picks. That might be our best hope at a quick rebu

Washington Redskins received:

• Pick No. 2 in the 2012 draft

I like.

 

[maverick512000]

i Want a trade with the Jets. I want #2, #23, this years second next years 1st and 2nd Q Williams and M Becton.

in return they get Watson, Cooks and Tunsil.

draft Wilson #2 if he looks like a franchise player. If not trade back and load up on draft picks. the rams pulled this trade off for the number two pick and took Robert Griffen.

Details:

St. Louis Rams received:

• Picks No. 6, 39 in the 2012 draft
• Pick No. 22 in the 2013 draft
• Pick 2 in the 2014 draft

there are 11 teams that should be looking for a QB. Start a bidding war for #2 and pile up even more picks. That might be our best hope at a quick rebu

Washington Redskins received:

• Pick No. 2 in the 2012 draft

I'd keep Tunsil, what you are getting back Watson and Cooks alone are worth. If Wilson is any good then you already have an answer at LT and if he's not you can trade Tunsil in a separate deal rather than giving him away in a Watson trade.

 

[Speedy]

I believe I was the first poster to bring up Zach Wilson’s name. I had the Texans using one of their RD4 picks to get him. This was when he was projected in the mid rounds. Then his stock took off and has now moved him to his final resting spot....#2 QB in the draft.

Honestly, I liked him far more as a mid round prospect than a RD1-02 pick. This past C-19 season could go down as the season that actually inflated the value of many prospects. The jump Wilson’s stock took could have some team drafting the next Cutler versus Mahomes. I’d hate to spend a RD1-02 or 03 on what may turn out to be an inflated prospect. There would be teams that missed out on Watson who would absolutely be salivating for the #2 or #3 pick if the Texans possessed it and were willing to move back in the draft. That would be another little windfall in draft assets.

If the Texans and Caserio can build this team through the next 2 drafts while knocking the cap way down, they could then find themselves in same enviable position the Colts have been in for the past 2 seasons.

Until I’m convinced that Caserio is actually in charge instead of the Pastor, which with the signing of Johnson, doesn’t look to be the case, I don’t believe there’s any possibility of a Brigham Young QB becoming a Texan.

 

[JB]

his "loyalty" tweet ....

Who's he being loyal to ?

His agent?

 

[Jack Burton]

I believe I was the first poster to bring up Zach Wilson’s name. I had the Texans using one of their RD4 picks to get him. This was when he was projected in the mid rounds. Then his stock took off and has now moved him to his final resting spot....#2 QB in the draft.

Honestly, I liked him far more as a mid round prospect than a RD1-02 pick. This past C-19 season could go down as the season that actually inflated the value of many prospects. The jump Wilson’s stock took could have some team drafting the next Cutler versus Mahomes. I’d hate to spend a RD1-02 or 03 on what may turn out to be an inflated prospect. There would be teams that missed out on Watson who would absolutely be salivating for the #2 or #3 pick if the Texans possessed it and were willing to move back in the draft. That would be another little windfall in draft assets.

If the Texans and Caserio can build this team through the next 2 drafts while knocking the cap way down, they could then find themselves in same enviable position the Colts have been in for the past 2 seasons.

You don’t like any other QB? Obviously excluding Lawrence.

 

[Jack Burton]

i Want a trade with the Jets. I want #2, #23, this years second next years 1st and 2nd Q Williams and M Becton.

in return they get Watson, Cooks and Tunsil.
draft Wilson #2 if he looks like a franchise player. If not trade back and load up on draft picks. the rams pulled this trade off for the number two pick and took Robert Griffen.

Details:

St. Louis Rams received:

• Picks No. 6, 39 in the 2012 draft
• Pick No. 22 in the 2013 draft
• Pick 2 in the 2014 draft

there are 11 teams that should be looking for a QB. Start a bidding war for #2 and pile up even more picks. That might be our best hope at a quick rebu

Washington Redskins received:

• Pick No. 2 in the 2012 draft

I think HOU could get 2-23-34 from NYJ and Darnold or Williams. Not both. Since both are huge contractual holes for them, they wouldn’t care.
The giving up players along with Watson is intriguing. I’ve never really given much to that.
I could see them swapping Tunsil
For Becton to appease a deal.

Also that deal for Bob Griffin was solely the desire of an idiot owner who would not listen to his staff or his HC, Mike Shanahan.
It was so stupid and ludicrous that Shanahan implored Schneider not only to not make that deal but that Shanahan already had a QB picked out who he believed was a franchise QB named Kirk Cousins that he would be able to get in the mid rounds.
And as many of you know, Shanahan still drafted Cousins in that draft. Pissing off his boss to no end.
That one idiotic trade set back an entire franchise and then the owner again set it back even further by not admitting to his mistake and at the very least keeping Cousins.
No other team was legitimately calling to move up and draft Bob. Just an idiot in Washington. Which seems to be the “Land Of Idiots” these days.

 

[JB]

don’t think Caserio even picks up the phone if the team calling has (3) RD1, (1) RD2, and a top player as their finest offer.

How do you know what the finest offer is if you don't pick up the phone?

 

[JB]

I agree, especially the Belichick stuff, however those pics have to net Caserio the #2 pick. Everything else is ultimately meaningless.
What is your opinion of the QBs in this draft?

Only if you think your QB is in this draft. Otherwise you take the best offer if you have to trade. It may take a few years longer but you do what is best for the team long term. Take a GM's view, not a HC's view