What I listed is more likely DW4's value than what Wildroots proposal is.
In fact they may get less than what I listed.
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Should we trade Watson?
- Thread starter theCATALYST
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What I listed is more likely DW4's value than what Wildroots proposal is.
In fact they may get less than what I listed.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
So a show that is entirely made up of black men had an black guest who made a comment about young black men and that is now racist?
I am so confused.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Everything is racist nowadays. You're racist and you don't even know it.So a show that is entirely made up of black men had an black guest who made a comment about young black men and that is now racist?
I am so confused.
Fact of the matter and truth of the situation is America today is the least racist it has ever been.
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amazing80
Hall of Fame
The only story I somewhat believe from the rumor mill would be some sort of racist culture within the Texans. At least Watson feels so. That would be an emotional enough thing to make him want out. No idea if that’s the case or why he would feel that way but there has to be more to the story. His agent is a big time activist and really promotes black athletes and culture. Which is fine. But I can see them not liking something and getting emotional about it.So a show that is entirely made up of black men had an black guest who made a comment about young black men and that is now racist?
I am so confused.
It’s crazy times. So who know
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
If there’s a racist culture, then how are Mercilus, Cunningham, Cooks, Johnson, Tunsil, Murray, Omenihu, Cobb, to name a few, not demanding trades?
And how racist of the Texans to give Watson $110M guaranteed.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Also Texans had a very young, comparatively for others in the role, black GM who we all use to say was only there because he was so close to the McNairs. They just hired a black HC and in fact we’re the only team HC shopping to do so who is replacing a temporary HC who is also black and has been their DC before that for almost 10 years. Speaking of which the new DC they just hired is also black and many thought was done in the NFL.
In fact the only racist thing ever tied to the McNairs was a way blown out of proportion comment by an 80 year old man. Even he recent comments from former players is griping about wasting careers not about a bad culture.
So if Watson thinks the Texans have a racist culture, and to be fair to him he hasn’t said that, then he really is for a rude awakening on some other NFL teams,
Jack Burton
Veteran
That was awesome and encapsulates the entirety of our whiny QB and his agent.
Jack Burton
Veteran
As we discussed, NYJ would be the optimal trade partner as they have most importantly that #2 pick along with a boat load of other picks and plenty of cap space.
If I was Caserio, I would even be willing to take on Watsons bonus as long as Darnold was part of the trade and immediately put Darnold on the trade block the second he was HOU’s. Darnold unlike Tua has real trade value and teams would be calling. He’s been on a pure turd of a team dealing with a complete idiot as his HC last year and all kinds of media scrutiny. And he’s never once complained.
I do like the idea of having control of 2 drafts and would attempt to get 2 1’s this year and a 1 next year along with Darnold. I think that’s the ceiling.
I don’t think they get that much though. I’m betting they won’t get anything from 2022 draft and end up with NYJ 1sts and 2nd this year only.
I'm thinking they end up getting something like this,
1-2
2-34
2022- 1st
2022- 2nd
Darnold- Who if they could trade to a QB needy team like the Pats for # 47 and a 3rd that wouldn't be optimal but it would be a decent deal. I think Caserio might have to throw in a 2022 4th to get a deal done.
Essentially they they get two 1sts this yr (2-34 is essentially a 1st) a 2021 2nd plus a 2022 2nd (Which is essentially another 1st) and a 2022 1st and 3rd for DW4 and a 4th.
You could rebuild your team quickly if you hit on your draft capital.
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Jack Burton
Veteran
That’s actually not totally out of reach right there. The Jets have a lot and it keeps them in these drafts while still giving up a lot to HOU. I would want Darnold in that trade for sure. And I’m down with a 4th to NYJ to make that happen. And I would be OK with Caserio taking on a part of Watsons money in some capacity to make it happen.
Darnold will fetch a 2nd as you said or a player of WR Courtland Sutton’s caliber and that’s extremely important to HOU in the rebuild process right now. I don’t think Tua gets you any of that. He’s got real red flags.
Texansballer74
The Marine
How in the world was that racist. Lol he was right, where is Watson father? Haven’t seen him once and Watson never talked about him or brought him up.
Watson agent is reaching
Watson agent is reaching
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
....it could be the Jets are willing to make an offer and Williams would prefer "not" to be part of the package going to the Texans for Watson.
Same might be said for Tua and Howard if the Dolphins were to include them in an offer for Watson.
Texans obviously have a "STENCH" about them around NFL circles. I don't know if it's the McNair's or Easterby but that stench is going to eliminate them from attracting good>great UFA's in the future and watching young veterans leave versus re-signing until this cancer is identified and cut-out.
This "STENCH" removal will take several seasons and the visual of drafted rookies signing extensions to show that this all important Texans "culture" BS has finally taken a backseat to establishing winning football as its top priority.
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That was tweeted back on the 22nd,,, long before the video or his agent's response. I wonder what his purpose was?
I'm just trying to come up with realistic trade scenarios.
Not the laughable trading DW4 for 7 draft picks.
FireBOB
Waterboy
Agreed, but which of the people responsible for this culture is no longer around?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I believe the McNair's and Easterby are still on board.
FireBOB
Waterboy
Right. I'm not sure why people think anything is likely to change.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Exactly. LoL. FFS, man.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
That’s what you’re not factoring into your trade value. Texans are going to have to take on part of Watson’s money regardless. Basically whatever team Watson is traded to Texans will still have to pay him roughly 25 million over the next few years so about 5-6 million per year of his contract. That’s why his price is so high, it’s not just the talent of the player it’s because Texans are going to be paying him to play somewhere else for the next 5 years.
Edited because @thunderkyss pointed out my numbers were wrong.
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maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Unless Jets think that Texans have to trade him and they are offering a 1st and a bag of off brand chips. Also I used the metaphor in another post. Texans are the hot girl at the bar, she doesn’t have to act interested and go to guys because they are going to come to her and buy her drinks even if she all but ignores them. Despite saying they aren’t trading teams are reported to still be calling so why change their stance now?
FYI: @thunderkyss you closed the thread in the middle of it comment uploading.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
You are absolutely right. That has to be added in the trade compensation in addition to DW4's talent value alone.
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Where do you get your numbers from?
They get a break this year, but it’s more like $37M a year after that. .
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Your right my numbers are off. It’s ~25 million over the next few years so roughly 5-6 million per year. Still a hard hit but not near as bad as I thought. I’ll correct it.
Considering there are women who have raised great men and considering some men are not good fathers. I think the comments were stupid, insensitive to the great mothers out there, but a stretch to call it racist.
Maybe you should add that little factoid to your original post. The year is easy to miss and you know some posters will take that post and run with a daddy issue narrative for the next month.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Me and my homies talks about this all the time. Most of us grew up without our fathers. It’s not a shot at our mother’s who have raised us to be the men that we are today. We’re all great family men.
These type of conversations goes on in the barbershop, at church and even at work. I don’t think they were being insensitive at all. In their view they believe Watson is acting out of emotion and he’s not manning up. Meaning sitting down with his bosses and talking this thing out. I’m not always happy with my job but if things get out of hand, I will set up a meeting with my coordinator and express my concerns.
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SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Great breakdown
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
Deshaun Watson would lose up to $20.2 million if he sits out the 2021 season - ProFootballTalk
If, as it appears, quarterback Deshaun Watson will never play for the Texans again and if, as it appears, the Texans won’t trade Watson, the stage will be set for a holdout. Different numbers have emerged regarding the monetary losses that Watson would incur. Below, we’ll try to identify the...
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
Jack Burton
Veteran
Great breakdown
Deshaun Watson would lose up to $20.2 million if he sits out the 2021 season - ProFootballTalk
If, as it appears, quarterback Deshaun Watson will never play for the Texans again and if, as it appears, the Texans won’t trade Watson, the stage will be set for a holdout. Different numbers have emerged regarding the monetary losses that Watson would incur. Below, we’ll try to identify the...
Great comment in the articles comment section....
“Wish I had enough cash to lose 21 million because my boss decided to hire who he wanted.”
Jack Burton
Veteran
Another comment....
“They (HOU) own his rights for 4 more years and for every year he sits out doesn’t count towards the 4. If they trade him now, or 3 years from now his trade value will be the same so I would call his bluff to sit out. For every year he does the Texans get about $5M back in signing bonus and another $2 or $3m in fines. I think it is both financially and strategically in the teams interest to have him hold out, suck and get high draft picks next year, recover part of his signing bonus plus fines, then trade him in a year or two and get the same value in draft picks that they could get today.”
“They (HOU) own his rights for 4 more years and for every year he sits out doesn’t count towards the 4. If they trade him now, or 3 years from now his trade value will be the same so I would call his bluff to sit out. For every year he does the Texans get about $5M back in signing bonus and another $2 or $3m in fines. I think it is both financially and strategically in the teams interest to have him hold out, suck and get high draft picks next year, recover part of his signing bonus plus fines, then trade him in a year or two and get the same value in draft picks that they could get today.”
On Watson's bonus .... The Texans are on the hook for that regardless. Its already done.
The only question is when it hits their cap - as scheduled should he play for the Texans or immediately should they trade him.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Yeah, as Maverick stated above, HOU is going to be paying 5-6 mil a year. And that’s fine if they trade him.
No, the longer you wait (in term of years, but also in term of the month - taking into consideration the draft and whatever all the rules regarding compensation are), the less value you'll get from a trade.
First thing I thought was that the entire show was a plant by Mulugheta .... and the people making the statement were black.
No way a white guy makes those statements in the bathroom mirror much less a nationally syndicated TV show in todays cancel climate.
And lets be honest , the media , particularly sports media is all in on this cancel culture crap and hey , its controversial .... plenty of clicks for their show.
No , the Texans wont be paying 5-6m per , they have already "paid" it. The "Cap hit" was spread over 5 seasons (last year and 4 more).
IF they trade him , the outstanding balance ($21.6m) hits the cap instantly. It will all be on the 2021 cap.
I thought if he held out the Texans could recoup his signing bonus.
Will the prorated part of his bonus (5-6 mil) for next season count against the cap?
They can if he holds out (violation of his contract) but if they trade him they cannot.
They're kind of in a win win situation. If he holds out they save the $$$$. The team is going to suck with or without DW4 so if they trade him and have to cut players to get under the cap it doesn't really matter because they're going to suck anyway. Plus if they suck as bad as I think they will they should be in the running for 1-1 in the 2022 draft.
There's always the possibility they refuse to trade him and he sits out the season .... that's good for the team too.
They can void his guaranteed money
They can go after the signing bonus
His cap hit would be removed and that amount rolled into the 22 cap
They'd still own his exclusive rights.
I read something on PFT that said it would be bad for the Texans and that FA's wouldn't wont to come to Houston. I was thinking how's this and that the Texans really aren't players in the FA market so tell me again how they would be hurt? What am I missing here?
Then I realized with the Florio fluff pieces and his the Texans are gonna suck if they dont trade DW4 (Like they didn't suck with him, Florio never brings up the 14% thingy, I wonder why? PFT used to be a good site, not so much anymore.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Regardless of whether it was 2014 or 2021 doesn't change the fact that he grew up without a father. The date was on the tweet for all to see. Who is to say he does not have no-daddy issues? Apparently he does.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Watson's agent won't let him sit for a full season and miss out on the money. He'd probably come in then back out....could fein injury if money is the driving factor.
Texans need to move on b/c I just don't see this situation being repaired to the point that the Texans get Watson at 100%.
Watson sits, the Texans later use "Conduct Detrimental to the Team" and sit him some more games....yarda, yada, yada. His cheap season goes into the books b/c Watson decides to come back near the end of the season to get 2021 into the books. 2022 is going to expensive so I doubt Watson takes any time off....now what?
Trade Watson to the Dolphins this off-season and collect; Tua, Howard, RD1-03-003, RD1-018-018, RD2-18-050, 2022 RD1, and 2023 RD1. That's 2 starters, 4 RD1 Picks, and 1 RD2 Pick.
I think the Texans have to make the trade in order to start the rebuild versus trying to justify the standoff with Watson that accomplishes nothing in the end. A bunch of fresh talent from what would hopefully be a strong draft would still yield a more than likely top 3 draft finish for the 2022 NFL Draft. Two more RD1 picks and another full compliment of picks in 2022 should really add the needed talent. 2023 would again bring, maybe a top 12 position in the 2023 draft with another full compliment of picks. That could be 27 drafted players potentially entering the 2024 season with an abundance of cap space arriving as early as the 2022 off-season.
I just don't see the benefit or required retribution as being the best move going forward with the Watson situation.
Texans need to move on b/c I just don't see this situation being repaired to the point that the Texans get Watson at 100%.
Watson sits, the Texans later use "Conduct Detrimental to the Team" and sit him some more games....yarda, yada, yada. His cheap season goes into the books b/c Watson decides to come back near the end of the season to get 2021 into the books. 2022 is going to expensive so I doubt Watson takes any time off....now what?
Trade Watson to the Dolphins this off-season and collect; Tua, Howard, RD1-03-003, RD1-018-018, RD2-18-050, 2022 RD1, and 2023 RD1. That's 2 starters, 4 RD1 Picks, and 1 RD2 Pick.
I think the Texans have to make the trade in order to start the rebuild versus trying to justify the standoff with Watson that accomplishes nothing in the end. A bunch of fresh talent from what would hopefully be a strong draft would still yield a more than likely top 3 draft finish for the 2022 NFL Draft. Two more RD1 picks and another full compliment of picks in 2022 should really add the needed talent. 2023 would again bring, maybe a top 12 position in the 2023 draft with another full compliment of picks. That could be 27 drafted players potentially entering the 2024 season with an abundance of cap space arriving as early as the 2022 off-season.
I just don't see the benefit or required retribution as being the best move going forward with the Watson situation.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Why the Fins? Again send him to the worst team in the NFL. The Fins are a QB away from being legit. Optimistic I’m not helping them with their cause and I for darn sho not helping Watson out.
I truly believe Caserio is thinking the same way. Probably waiting on the Jets to add more to their proposal.
I truly believe Caserio is thinking the same way. Probably waiting on the Jets to add more to their proposal.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Media Headline:
John McClain calls for the Texans to trade Deshaun Watson - ProFootballTalk
The Houston Texans seem to think they’ll win a standoff with quarterback Deshaun Watson. John McClain of the Houston Chronicle knows that the team won’t.McClain, who has covered the Texans since their debut in 2002 and the Houston Oilers before that, makes the case that the time has come for the...
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
Source Article:
McClain: It's time Texans entertain trade offers for Deshaun Watson
Inferred, implied, or whatever...Florio has purposeful intent
Media Headline:
John McClain calls for the Texans to trade Deshaun Watson - ProFootballTalk
The Houston Texans seem to think they’ll win a standoff with quarterback Deshaun Watson. John McClain of the Houston Chronicle knows that the team won’t.McClain, who has covered the Texans since their debut in 2002 and the Houston Oilers before that, makes the case that the time has come for the...
Source Article:
McClain: It's time Texans entertain trade offers for Deshaun Watson
Inferred, implied, or whatever...Florio has purposeful intent
I just don't get Florio's line of thinking.