Should we trade Watson?

[banned1976]

The question about trading Watson is simplified for me to-

Are you willing to trade your offense for prospects?

That is a risk just as keeping him on the roster is a risk. If Caserio trades Watson and his return is a bag full of busts and Jags, he could (should) be fired and never get another chance at being a GM in the league. If he plays hardball with Watson and Watson sits, the 2021 Texans probably won't win a game. Worst case in the later scenario is Watson retires from the game and Wilson or one of the other quarterbacks not name Trevor Lawrence goes on to have a stellar career.

I believe I could more easily justify hanging on to Watson and him retiring or becoming a distraction than I could if I traded him and have that backfire. And that's because I have no idea how those prospect quarterbacks will play in the NFL. Nobody really knows that. What I do know is that over the last 20 years, 59 quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round and only 19 of them have played in a conference championship game. Also, for every position that measurement of success isn't reached for a large majority of 1st round picks.

Teams like the Jaguars and Browns are proof that just drafting high in consecutive years doesn't guarantee you success. Just the opposite. Trading your franchise quarterback in his prime, it's a massive gamble.

 

[Texian]

Speak For Yourself on Twitter: ""Deshaun Watson is mad at his boss for writing him a check for $156M and the only thing he can find to complain about is 'he lied to me.'" @UncleJimmySFY responds to Deshaun Watson's trade demand https://t.co/9OYvW27oOQ" / Twitter

 

[steelbtexan]

The question about trading Watson is simplified for me to-

Are you willing to trade your offense for prospects?

That is a risk just as keeping him on the roster is a risk. If Caserio trades Watson and his return is a bag full of busts and Jags, he could (should) be fired and never get another chance at being a GM in the league. If he plays hardball with Watson and Watson sits, the 2021 Texans probably won't win a game. Worst case in the later scenario is Watson retires from the game and Wilson or one of the other quarterbacks not name Trevor Lawrence goes on to have a stellar career.

I believe I could more easily justify hanging on to Watson and him retiring or becoming a distraction than I could if I traded him and have that backfire. And that's because I have no idea how those prospect quarterbacks will play in the NFL. Nobody really knows that. What I do know is that over the last 20 years, 59 quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round and only 19 of them have played in a conference championship game. Also, for every position that measurement of success isn't reached for a large majority of 1st round picks.

Teams like the Jaguars and Browns are proof that just drafting high in consecutive years doesn't guarantee you success. Just the opposite. Trading your franchise quarterback in his prime, it's a massive gamble.

We know through 27 yrs of evidence how this is going to turn out if they hang onto DW4. So there's less risk in trading DW4 than keeping him.

 

[badboy]

Why are people in such a hurry? I get the drama sucks but do you really want the team to be screwed long term just because people are tired of hearing about it? Let Seattle move quickly, they have to because they still think they can make a run, let Miami take Wilson if they want, Miami isn't offering that good a deal anyway unless a person just thinks Tua is the guy. Texans can sit on this all off season and all season and still win because Watson either suits up or starts returning checks. They can't force him to talk to them and they don't have to trade him. Let them stay on the pot, the seat is just now starting to get nice and warm.

because a win is not just sticking it to Deshaun. I want a QB to replace him, either this draft, Tua or 2022 draft. We also need other positions filled and both Jets and Dolphins rumors have indicated a Dline pass rusher or a shutdown CB would be part of those deals. I have also offered a 3 team trade that would be outstanding for all 3.

My brain goes overdrive when I try to sleep :

3 team trade

Jets get Watson

Miami gets 1.2 for their QB + Roby + Greenard

Texans get 1.3 (M) +1.18 (M)+1.23 (J) +2.34(J) +2.35(M) + 2022 round 1(J) + Quennin Williams (J) + Xavien Howard (M).

Should we trade Watson?

Hey again Texans fans!!!! Hope you guys all survived the blizzard and are heathy and well. Rumor around our Dolphins mill is that Xavian Howard is going to be offered in the Watson trade. I'm hearing something in the range of Howard Tua #3 #18 2022 1st rounder. Just wanted to see what your...

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[badboy]

hyperbole a bit much?

I did a fajita bowle when I watched the Super Bowle but just once; not much o

 

[badboy]

If the Texans are indeed not even listening that's great. Gains respect from me.

Let Watson continue to show how bitchmade he is. Oh you meet with the new coach but hey you still want out regardless huh? OK sure bro we'll get right on that. He'll lose the PR battle with his actions. And let other teams get desperate and up their offers.

There's plenty of time until the draft.

Let them dig their own graves.

my sources told me that Deshaun said "McNair hired you to be head coach?" Culley allegedly reported he heard hysterical giggling when he disconnected.

 

[badboy]

Just thinking out loud. I know it would be costly but it's the same idea of yanking the bad-aid off versus slowly (for anothe rseason) removing the band-aid. If Watson is traded it will be costly and would make this move even tougher.....financially.

The Titans want to unload RT- Isaiah Wilson since he didn't become a good fit. He's still a massive talent at a position of need. Would the Titans take Tunsil and his contract in exchange for Wilson and 2021 RD1 pick? I don't think Tunsil would ever re-work his contract for the Texans but he may do so to join a contender.

I'd park Wilson at RT and move Howard inside to RG. Texans could play the Watson (trade with Miami) RD1 picks to their favor and still drop back in RD1. The Texans could walk away with a LT- Christian Darrisaw (VA Tech) inside the top 8 picks and still have the pick position to probably get C- Landon Dickerson (Bama) as well. This would give the Texans a tremendous and young OL to develop.

LT- Darrisaw / LG- Scharping / C- Dickerson / RG- Howard / RT- Wilson

By the way, the Texans would have Miami's RD1(s) 03, 18, and then let's say the Titans RD1-22 pick. Getting these picks and unloading cap eating salaries will do the Texans good in the long run. Yes, 2021 would be absolutely ugly financially but the future would be bright going forward, especially after the financial sting(er) was removed after the season.

You know I've advocated for a Tunsil trade preferably to LA Chargers for #13 but I like your idea. However, Wilson's stupidity is major concern:

Among all 32 first-round picks in the 2020 NFL Draft, Wilson has given the most reason for concern, and it isn’t particularly close.

He played just three offensive snaps in a year in which he was arrested for a DUI, placed on the Reserve/COVID-19 list multiple times and suspended for violating club rules. That all came after he reportedly jumped off a second-floor balcony to avoid getting caught by the police at a Tennessee State University party during training camp. The latest distraction was a video of him partying on New Year’s Eve.

Per Adam Sparks of the Tennessean, Mike Vrabel said of Wilson’s future with the team, “I can’t comment on Isaiah. I wouldn’t even begin to be able to eloquently have an answer for you.”

It would be one thing if Wilson's only concerns were off the field. There are plenty of those. However, Wilson also stood out as one of the bigger reaches early in the draft when the Titans took him in the first round last year. He was ranked 111th on the PFF Big Board thanks to questions about his agility, recovery ability and ability to operate in space, which is a real concern at tackle.

It’s hard to spin this situation as anything other than concerning for Wilson and the Titans.

Gauging the level of concern for 5 disappointing first-round rookies | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

PFF's Ben Linsey examines some disappointing seasons from first-round picks and attempts to shed light on what those performances mean for the players' prospects in the league.

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[powda]

You know I've advocated for a Tunsil trade preferably to LA Chargers for #13 but I like your idea.

You've proposed so many trades your bound to get lucky.

 

[badboy]

large bets have been placed on the Jets to win the AFC East, the conference title and the Super Bowl. That money has dropped the Jets from 20-1 to 12-1 to win the AFC East -- the biggest shift in odds of any NFL team.


“Maybe they know something,” William Hill sportsbook director Nick Bogdanovich said. “I don’t know. Maybe they think Sam Darnold will start playing better.”


Or maybe they’re betting on a new quarterback, too. There’s a good chunk of change being placed on DeShaun Watson becoming the Jets starting quarterback on Opening Day. According to several reports, Watson wants out and will waive his no-trade clause to join the Miami Dolphins, Jets or Carolina Panthers.


And the NFC East? “Anyone can win that division,” Bogdanovich said.

Jets are NFL bettors’ new favorite, thanks to DeShaun Watson rumors

Seems like NFL fans have found their favorite for 2021.

www.nj.com

 

[OptimisticTexan]

You know I've advocated for a Tunsil trade preferably to LA Chargers for #13 but I like your idea. However, Wilson's stupidity is major concern:

Gauging the level of concern for 5 disappointing first-round rookies | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

PFF's Ben Linsey examines some disappointing seasons from first-round picks and attempts to shed light on what those performances mean for the players' prospects in the league.

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The only reason I mentioned this idea.....maybe the guy did nothing more than make stupid young and suddenly wealthy choices. Now, he realizes the team who drafted him no longer wants him on the team...essentially getting the boot. This could be the best wake up call he’ll ever get. He’s got the god-given talent to be a top RT but lacked the maturity to make common sense decisions.

It could be an absolute steal if the Texans could move Tunsil, get Wilson and the Titans RD1 since Tunsil is being moved with his contract already in place.

 

[badboy]

The only reason I mentioned this idea.....maybe the guy did nothing more than make stupid young and suddenly wealthy choices. Now, he realizes the team who drafted him no longer wants him on the team...essentially getting the boot. This could be the best wake up call he’ll ever get. He’s got the god-given talent to be a top RT but lacked the maturity to make common sense decisions.

It could be an absolute steal if the Texans could move Tunsil, get Wilson and the Titans RD1 since Tunsil is being moved with his contract already in place.

I agree but don't think Caserio makes it. We eat $9.7 but gain same in cap space. IW turned 22 on Feb 12th so your reasoning for stupid is very valid IMO. I also support move of Howard to RG.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I agree but don't think Caserio makes it. We eat $9.7 but gain same in cap space. IW turned 22 on Feb 12th so your reasoning for stupid is very valid IMO. I also support move of Howard to RG.

How would you view a 2021 OL of:

LT Darrisaw / LG Scharping / C Dickerson / RG Howard/ RT Wilson

 

[Mollywhopper]

I can't for the life of me think of why anyone on this earth - or any other planet for that matter - would want to just up and slot Isaiah Wilson in right off the jump as their starting RT..

Let's give a position of importance that helps protect an investment as valuable as your QB to a guy so as immature who has shown to not care in any way imaginably whatsoever beyond partying and hasn't actually done anything football-wise except washout after all of 4 downs in the league..

I just, what..

 

[badboy]

How would you view a 2021 OL of:

LT Darrisaw / LG Scharping / C Dickerson / RG Howard/ RT Wilson

As a huge Improvement! But I think you already know my view of that as I have posted wanting Christian darrisaw and Landon Dickerson. I have said before I am greedy but I would also like to have Jackson Carman who was the left tackle for Trevor Lawrence. I would start him at left guard game 1 which would be perfect if they move scharping to Center.
In a trade down scenario, I think the Panthers would love to trade number 8 for 1.3 if Watson to Miami.

 

[powda]

As a huge Improvement! But I think you already know my view of that as I have posted wanting Christian darrisaw and Landon Dickerson. I have said before I am greedy but I would also like to have Jackson Carman who was the left tackle for Trevor Lawrence. I would start him at left guard game 1 which would be perfect if they move scharping to Center.
In a trade down scenario, I think the Panthers would love to trade number 8 for 1.3 if Watson to Miami.

Go ahead and post another potential trade. Might get it right.

 

[badboy]

I can't for the life of me think of why anyone on this earth - or any other planet for that matter - would want to just up and slot Isaiah Wilson in right off the jump as their starting RT..

Let's give a position of importance that helps protect an investment as valuable as your QB to a guy so as immature who has shown to not care in any way imaginably whatsoever beyond partying and hasn't actually done anything football-wise except washout after all of 4 downs in the league..

I just, what..

Because he has the skills to be a starting right tackle in the NFL. He only played three snaps for Tennessee and it was not because of his ability it was because of his notoriety.

 

[badboy]

Go ahead and post another potential trade. Might get it right.

If you don't like my trades stop reading them. You're like the little girl that complains about a smelly jockstrap.

 

[powda]

If you don't like my trades stop reading them. You're like the little girl that complains about a smelly jockstrap.

And you posted some random stupid post a week ago about how every trade was based on your genius. Narcissist much?

 

[badboy]

And you posted some random stupid post a week ago about how every trade was based on your genius. Narcissist much?

I think everyone but you realized it was tongue in cheek LOL. That's what happens when you post with an ulterior motive.

 

[powda]

I think everyone but you realized it was tongue in cheek LOL. That's what happens when you post with an ulterior motive.

I have an ulterior motive but you take credit for every projected trade? Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

 

[badboy]

I have an ulterior motive but you take credit for every projected trade? Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

Go back and read my post 46 in the thread Nick Martin was cut. I responded to Earl 34's teasing me post that they did not try to trade Martin. As I said everyone but you understood the exchange. Also most here understand that I have a history teasing about my sources and why people laugh about my inside the Texans sources. Before he was dead, I had stated I had Bob McNair's personal cell phone number.
My post 46 referred to a previous message that said the Texans were picking up my voice messages concerning Nick Martin and Senio Kelemete. It appears you are following me and just responding to my post without any understanding of how they flow in a conversation.
Again most people on this message board know that I confronted you about your emoji of a cult leader who killed people and your comments about Christians.

I have moved on but it seems like you wish to be a troll.

 

[powda]

Go back and read my post 46 in the thread Nick Martin was cut. I responded to Earl 34's teasing me post that they did not try to trade Martin. As I said everyone but you understood the exchange. Also most here understand that I have a history teasing about my sources and why people laugh about my inside the Texans sources. Before he was dead, I had stated I had Bob McNair's personal cell phone number.
My post 46 referred to a previous message that said the Texans were picking up my voice messages concerning Nick Martin and Senio Kelemete. It appears you are following me and just responding to my post without any understanding of how they flow in a conversation.
Again most people on this message board know that I confronted you about your emoji of a cult leader who killed people and your comments about Christians.

I have moved on but it seems like you wish to be a troll.

Quote the post I referenced. Don't play the choir boy now. Do it.


And what f'ing quote did I make about Christians? Dont defame me with innuendo.

 

[steelbtexan]

Because he has the skills to be a starting right tackle in the NFL. He only played three snaps for Tennessee and it was not because of his ability it was because of his notoriety.

Does he

I wasn't impressed with him at Georgia. Big dude with slow feet.

 

[powda]

Does he

I wasn't impressed with him at Georgia. Big dude with slow feet.

Easy now. You might interrupt his genius complex.

 

[Corrosion]

You know I've advocated to trade my Granny to the Raiders for #17 but I like your idea. However, Wilson's stupidity is major concern:

 

[powda]

Go back and read my post 46 in the thread Nick Martin was cut. I responded to Earl 34's teasing me post that they did not try to trade Martin. As I said everyone but you understood the exchange. Also most here understand that I have a history teasing about my sources and why people laugh about my inside the Texans sources. Before he was dead, I had stated I had Bob McNair's personal cell phone number.
My post 46 referred to a previous message that said the Texans were picking up my voice messages concerning Nick Martin and Senio Kelemete. It appears you are following me and just responding to my post without any understanding of how they flow in a conversation.
Again most people on this message board know that I confronted you about your emoji of a cult leader who killed people and your comments about Christians.

I have moved on but it seems like you wish to be a troll.

Still waiting. Pimp that post where you call everyone piggybacking off your trades your genuis.

 

[badboy]

Does he

I wasn't impressed with him at Georgia. Big dude with slow feet.

Yes. 350 pounds may he give you the impression that he has slow feet But not everybody agrees with you.

2020 NFL Draft: Investigating the recent Isaiah Wilson hype by using a projection-based approach | NFL Draft | PFF

PFF's college-to-pro projection system takes into consideration a player’s play-by-play data along with their performance at the scouting combine. Here, we look at how Isaiah Wilson stacks up in comparison to the other top players in the 2020 NFL Draft class.

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The draft network evaluation differs from yours as well as the Tennessee Titans when they drafted him. I have seen nothing to indicate reasons why the Tennessee is ready to move on from him after only one season is slow feet. Slow between the ears? More likely.

 

[powda]

Yes. 350 pounds may he give you the impression that he has slow feet But not everybody agrees with you.

2020 NFL Draft: Investigating the recent Isaiah Wilson hype by using a projection-based approach | NFL Draft | PFF

PFF's college-to-pro projection system takes into consideration a player’s play-by-play data along with their performance at the scouting combine. Here, we look at how Isaiah Wilson stacks up in comparison to the other top players in the 2020 NFL Draft class.

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The draft network evaluation differs from yours as well as the Tennessee Titans when they drafted him. I have seen nothing to indicate reasons why the Tennessee is ready to move on from him after only one season is slow feet. Slow between the ears? More likely.

He said slow feet. Did he claim that's the problem? Your all about semantics here.

 

[maverick512000]

Kiss and make up.

 

[powda]

Try.

 

[steelbtexan]

Yes. 350 pounds may he give you the impression that he has slow feet But not everybody agrees with you.

2020 NFL Draft: Investigating the recent Isaiah Wilson hype by using a projection-based approach | NFL Draft | PFF

PFF's college-to-pro projection system takes into consideration a player’s play-by-play data along with their performance at the scouting combine. Here, we look at how Isaiah Wilson stacks up in comparison to the other top players in the 2020 NFL Draft class.

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The draft network evaluation differs from yours as well as the Tennessee Titans when they drafted him. I have seen nothing to indicate reasons why the Tennessee is ready to move on from him after only one season is slow feet. Slow between the ears? More likely.

I see what I see.

I dont just take other peoples opinions as gold.

A few I do such as when LZ talks OL I listen.

 

[Texian]

Does he

I wasn't impressed with him at Georgia. Big dude with slow feet.

I do believe Isiah Wilson was the biggest draft bust in the 2020 draft.

 

[powda]

Douchetastic.

 

[Corrosion]

Still waiting. Pimp that post where you call everyone piggybacking off your trades your genuis.

You two play nice!

 

[powda]

You two play nice!

I should've called him out on the original post. I hate egos.

 

[Corrosion]

I should've called him out on the original post. I hate egos.

Just let it go ....

 

[thunderkyss]

Listening to some of these radio dudes , particularly that moron Clint Stoerner on 610 ,dude acts like Cal shot Watson's dog or something - Watson has been wronged and is totally one sided .... the Texans screwed this up.

I can't help but laugh at the guy.

Yeah, I gave up 610 for Lent. They were seriously messing up my mojo

 

[thunderkyss]

IT's about getting draft capital to rebuild the team and set the team up financially for success long term. This isn't about 2021. Just like 2021 shouldn't be about winning football games for Texans.

Agreed. Draft picks are a bigger motivator here than "cap relief" of negative $40M

 

[Mollywhopper]

Because he has the skills to be a starting right tackle in the NFL. He only played three snaps for Tennessee and it was not because of his ability it was because of his notoriety.

No, because of his immaturity and complete lack of professionalism..

in the most professional and grinding league in the world..

to which in the meantime he's never ever shown the actual ability to hold his own as a starting RT in the NFL.. ever..

but ok, you just go ahead and immediately insert him as your starting RT on you legit(?) football team..

it's a 100% completely senseless notion.

 

[wildroot]

In a trade with the Jets, rather than demanding their 1st 3 rounds of picks for the next 3 years for Watson as was my previous ask, I have reconsidered and would accept:

2021 1-2 pick & 1-23 picks
2021 2-34 pick
Q. Williams
2022 first-round pick
2022 first-round pick from the Seahawks
2022 second-round pick.

This offer is good for 24 hrs. just to get this calamitous and mismanaged situation behind us.

Take Zack Wilson with #2

 

[Earl34]

Because he has the skills to be a starting right tackle in the NFL. He only played three snaps for Tennessee and it was not because of his ability it was because of his notoriety.

What? It was more than just "notoriety". Wilson has been unprofessional and immature. He might go done as the worst first round pick in Titans' history. When they needed help on the OL, they couldn't rely on him. While suspended, here he is partying. The guy is not mentally ready for the NFL and anyone taking a chance on him will be disappointed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1345391322920857601

 

[Earl34]

Yes. 350 pounds may he give you the impression that he has slow feet But not everybody agrees with you.

The draft network evaluation differs from yours as well as the Tennessee Titans when they drafted him. I have seen nothing to indicate reasons why the Tennessee is ready to move on from him after only one season is slow feet. Slow between the ears? More likely.

It's more than slow feet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1336806393731538950

 

[steelbtexan]

Agreed. Draft picks are a bigger motivator here than "cap relief" of negative $40M

Both should be motivators to differing degrees.

 

[JB]

In a trade with the Jets, rather than demanding their 1st 3 rounds of picks for the next 3 years for Watson as was my previous ask, I have reconsidered and would accept:

2021 1-2 pick & 1-23 picks
2021 2-34 pick
Q. Williams
2022 first-round pick
2022 first-round pick from the Seahawks
2022 second-round pick.

This offer is good for 24 hrs. just to get this calamitous and mismanaged situation behind us.

Take Zack Wilson with #2

Not realistic either

 

[steelbtexan]

Not realistic either

They would do well to get

1-2
1-23
2-34

2022- 1st.

 

[badboy]

No, because of his immaturity and complete lack of professionalism..

in the most professional and grinding league in the world..

to which in the meantime he's never ever shown the actual ability to hold his own as a starting RT in the NFL.. ever..

but ok, you just go ahead and immediately insert him as your starting RT on you legit(?) football team..

it's a 100% completely senseless notion.

That is what is meant by 'notoriority' and your comments on his immaturity lack of professionalism discussed in the article I linked. Did you read that? I am saying that I see that the shock of him being cut or traded good turn him around as it has other Young athletes.

 

[badboy]

I should've called him out on the original post. I hate egos.

You should not hate yourself for having such a large ego. We all have egos. It's just how we express them that irritates others As does yours. You have been called out in many different threads over the years by many different posters and have said yourself that you were wrong in many of the comments that you have made.

As I said you choose to ignore my comment about being a genius was tongue in cheek but continue to rant on.

 

[badboy]

It's more than slow feet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1336806393731538950

Earl that is what I said. He broke covid rules repeatedly and jumped from a second story floor to avoid cops where he had been partying. That is the notoriety that I pointed to. I am saying that he did some stupid things as a 21 year old that others have.

I do not think that he would be a target for the Texans but I think he should be as a low cost (avg about $1.5 m each next 3 seasons) high ceiling.
Actions were mostly stupid similar to a college athlete Showing up at the combine with marijuana in his system.

I get it if you do not want that on your roster. I am willing to give him that second chance. I am just surprised at others ridiculing the Texans for not going after the players who have done much more than he has been accused of yet not wanting Wilson on the team.
I am also surprised that the Titans did not put him on the field for more than three or four snaps.

 

[badboy]

They would do well to get

1-2
1-23
2-34

2022- 1st.

It has been indicated Texans would want two round ones + two round twos + two young starters preferably on defense; you are just under that so reasonable ask. I split the difference and Want Q Williams added. Williams as I posted begging Jets not to trade him indicate at least in his mind Jets could be willing to make a deal.

 

[powda]

You have been called out in many different threads over the years by many different posters and have said yourself that you were wrong in many of the comments that you have made.

You're referring to pretty much every poster whose been here for years. That only excludes the ones with egos to big to admit they're wrong - sound familiar?