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In theory, but in practice can you think of a team that has benefitted from this approach?We have the actual leverage - should we choose to use it - on whether or not he ever plays in the league again..
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In theory, but in practice can you think of a team that has benefitted from this approach?We have the actual leverage - should we choose to use it - on whether or not he ever plays in the league again..
In theory, but in practice can you think of a team that has benefitted from this approach?
If a trade with Dolphins occurs and with a package that you and I both hope for and expect, Tu'a is a reasonable $8 million to us 2021. If necessary, we could cut him 2022 without the roster bonus and take only a $3.4 m hit. If not sure Caserio could use 1.3 for best QB available as insurance. I'm looking at Tagovaila as low cost throw in that if a boom would be amazing but if bust not too costly. We both have suggested using a trade to force poor contracts as Mercilus $7.5 to Miami as part of the Watson trade. We could use that to bring in Dolphins corner Xavien Howard $9.3m. IMO, we need to look at over all picture.Tua is a backup at best. I don't want him at all.
Two firsts isn't near enough for me to trade Watson, I want at least 3 firsts and multiple 2nd & 3rd round picks on top of those AND the receiving team takes on Mercilus contract.
Oh I understood. You said Tua was injury prone crap but if he is, then so is Watson due to his injuries history. I'm willing to give Tag 2021 to show he can remain healthy. We took that risk with #4 as he was ours and under contract with us.
The Texans "leverage" is making him sit out a year and then trading him for even less. Leverage is something you use to your advantage, not to everyone's disadvantage.I can't think of a team with a full on similar scenario.
It's entirely up to them to decide to put it into practice.. because that's how leverage works.
Not really. He's just another McNair mistake to me.Makes you wonder how much OB was at fault.
Different sport but Rockets & Harden?In theory, but in practice can you think of a team that has benefitted from this approach?
Don't disagree.Not really. He's just another McNair mistake to me.
I thought competition between players was something to desire? Certainly worked with Aaron Rogers.Wouldn't want the headache or expectations of Tua knowing the Texans could probably select QB- Zach Wilson (BYU) with the 3rd overall pick.
He loses most if not all his money including bonus if he sits out under new NFL rule.The Texans "leverage" is making him sit out a year and then trading him for even less. Leverage is something you use to your advantage, not to everyone's disadvantage.
But you are correct, it's absolutely up to them if they want to make the worst possible choice for all concerned.
Watson/Tunsil/Cook salaries are dysfunctional in 2022. It's will be hard for them to be competitive. Because of Cap and lack of draft picks hard to field a defense that can prevent 35 points per game on a scoreboard. To your point, if Texans trade Watson for a handful of picks, a clean salary cap slate and draft Zach Wilson who turns out to be the best QB in the draft. He comes to Houston where his career will be damaged. You hate to see Watson waste away in Houston or other new promising stars but that's the way it's going to be until Janice says Time to Sell. This is going to have to happen before you will be able to get any high profile GMs, HCs and players wanting to come to Houston.I just want this to be over. Trading Watson is not good for the organization. Or the fans of the team. Might be good for Watson.
Bring in a new QB and additional future players? So they can be alienated in a few years? Fix the problem. Which is that this is a dysfunctional organization. Trading Watson solves nothing for this franchise.
The Texans "leverage" is making him sit out a year and then trading him for even less. Leverage is something you use to your advantage, not to everyone's disadvantage.
But you are correct, it's absolutely up to them if they want to make the worst possible choice for all concerned.
I'm starting to wonder if he was leaning this way since Hopkins was traded.I'm blown away. He's pissed because his buddy got traded and either he didn't want Caserio here or wasn't part of the process of bringing him here. I'd say it's time for him to put his big boy pants on and get over it. Say he goes to another team next season and they piss him off? He gonna want to be traded again? And again and again and again? Teammates get traded personnel changes are made daily across the NFL. Get over it.
I don't understand what you're saying. What leverage does Watson have? If he doesn't want to deal with the Texans, if he wants a trade, he has to waive the no trade clause, period.The Texans "leverage" is making him sit out a year and then trading him for even less. Leverage is something you use to your advantage, not to everyone's disadvantage.
But you are correct, it's absolutely up to them if they want to make the worst possible choice for all concerned.
Hopkins wanted out. I think DW4 was at least thinking about it. Don't know why he signed his extension then this...
I think you guys underestimate the negative ramifications of having a young star like Watson, who is not only a leader on the field but an incredible role model off, having such discontent for the organization that he would be willing to sit out and miss games or force his way to be traded. Do you think we will ever recover from our image with free agents or our own free agents with the current ownership? It is much deeper than Watson and this current team.I don't understand what you're saying. What leverage does Watson have? If he doesn't want to deal with the Texans, if he wants a trade, he has to waive the no trade clause, period.
If he doesn't waive the no trade, suit up & play or sit out & freeze your contract.
Please! give him a title if not a job with the Robert and Janice Education foundation. Place a CEO/leader whatever you call it over Texans who answers to Janice only. At 84 not sure how much longer she has but four billion USD split four ways among the children should make them all happy. There was much talk by Bob when he purchased the franchise how he wanted to do it for Houston fans; so Mrs. McNair leave control in good hands just not your children's; if you still care for those fans.
I'm starting to wonder if he was leaning this way since Hopkins was traded.
Remember, Hopkins got what he wanted when he was traded. No reason anyone should be mad about it.
Hopkins wanted out. I think DW4 was at least thinking about it. Don't know why he signed his extension then this...
I agree, sort of. Like rumor says, Cal can't do nothing for him. He's escalating to Mama McNair.As a leader, Cal needs to figure out what words need to be said to mend the fence.
I think you guys underestimate the negative ramifications of having a young star like Watson, who is not only a leader on the field but an incredible role model off, having such discontent for the organization that he would be willing to sit out and miss games or force his way to be traded.
Is that speculation or has something been posted saying Watson went to Janice?I agree, sort of. Like rumor says, Cal can't do nothing for him. He's escalating to Mama McNair.
I'm thinking we're past that. This is what scorched earth feels like.
Or, he could do what Carson Palmer did in 2010. Why do something you don't have to do if you're miserable doing it, or in Palmer's case miserable doing it for someone you despise? And you know they're going to get buckets of money from your services and sacrifices (collapsed lungs for example).I don't understand what you're saying. What leverage does Watson have? If he doesn't want to deal with the Texans, if he wants a trade, he has to waive the no trade clause, period.
If he doesn't waive the no trade, suit up & play or sit out & freeze your contract.
The way this thing is going, nothing would surprise me, including Watson's "retirement" from football.
2025 I thinkHe could retire, but Texans still own his rights until 202?
He could retire, but Texans still own his rights until 202?
2025 I think
Thru 2025
If he plays the necessary seasons..
if not his contract remains frozen timewise.
Whoa... I don’t believe that is the right thing at all. Far from it.
Let Caserio do his job. If that means Easterby stays, Easterby stays. In whatever capacity Caserio wants him in.
We don’t need to expand the board room to include players.
So which is it...Watsons upset about Easterby or that he’s not being included in the decision making? The story’s all over the place. The media pushing their agenda and DW4 and the players passive aggressively pushing theirs.
I think I just need to check out for a while until DW4 officially requests a trade or we hire a HC and we see how it goes from there.
With Eberflus in town things could heat up
Yeah. Eberflus was with the Cowgirls for spell..Automatic NO for meDoubt it. He changed his mind about an interview. So he was here today and Les Frazier too. And last I looked Watson was not high on either of them
I'm not doing a good job of explaining myself... sorry, between lots of different tasks. But rather than me spending ages trying to argue a subtle point on a forum, ask yourself this: Do you think this ends any way other than DW4 playing for a team of his choice next season?I don't understand what you're saying. What leverage does Watson have? If he doesn't want to deal with the Texans, if he wants a trade, he has to waive the no trade clause, period.
If he doesn't waive the no trade, suit up & play or sit out & freeze your contract.
If there is truth to this, then ship his ass off. That should begin what should be a complete flush of our roster with the exception of Reid and Tunsil. Wipe the board and start over. Let the new HC direct Caserio in building his new roster.
The only thing we know for certain is that you are going to see Goo Gobs of Baker commercials tommorrowI'm not doing a good job of explaining myself... sorry, between lots of different tasks. But rather than me spending ages trying to argue a subtle point on a forum, ask yourself this: Do you think this ends any way other than DW4 playing for a team of his choice next season?
And last I looked Watson was not high on either of them
That's what I think. And some of his Dolphin teammates think the same thing.
We have the actual leverage - should we choose to use it - on whether or not he ever plays in the league again..
Without that clause I like our chances of a decent haul in an actual auction.
I think we'll play hardball for a while, realize that we have very little leverage and then take whatever we can get from Watson's preferred landing spot. Probably then fire Easterby way too late, just to rub it in to the fan base. In short, the usual worst possible outcome we can expect from this clown-show.
Not really. He can sit a year. After that, I would think he would have the NFLPA and a very good lawyer after Cal. That is not going to be good for the team. Most of the time if you freeze out a player, it's an older guy.
It wasn't long ago he was commenting positively in regard to Eberflus
Neither.Is that speculation or has something been posted saying Watson went to Janice?
Not really. He can sit a year. After that, I would think he would have the NFLPA and a very good lawyer after Cal. That is not going to be good for the team. Most of the time if you freeze out a player, it's an older guy.
It's not going to be a judge, it will be Goodell and he sure isn't looking for some dope of an owner to ruin a star in the league.Like Mav said, it's already been negotiated by his union reps on his behalf..
and this ain't the kind of thing that a judge likes to reverse precedent on.