badboy
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If Dashaun is traded I expect E to be gone also.
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Should we trade Watson?
- Thread starter theCATALYST
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You don't think Tua on a rookie contract plus the two 1sts and a 2nd isn't reasonable?
Or do you think Tua is crap??
not following your thought train
badboy
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My college player research took a big hit last two years. If Watson remains, it could just dry up. Nothing against him but draft will be uneventful for me.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Tua is injury prone crap.
That’s what started this whole thing. Time to put their cards on the table.
badboy
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The Hopkins trade; no matter how positive he tried to be, it was a kick in the gut and not just for fans. He needs to go talk to his own mama.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
badboy
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Please compare his injuries to Watson and unless you are saying so is #4, tell me why?
That's what I think. And some of his Dolphin teammates think the same thing.
Dolphins players not confident in Tua Tagovailoa's quarterbacking abilities, per report
Many Miami players saw Tagovailoa as an inferior quarterback to Ryan Fitzpatrickwww.cbssports.com
badboy
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Someone needs to voice what happened but it was given under confidentiality & I respect that.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Easterby just might get another feather in his cap if he makes the Watson trade happen. Got the first one for making Hopkins go bye-bye.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Texian
Hall of Fame
But Easterly and Caserio are still here and Deshaun wants no part of the dynamic duo from Boston.
badboy
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Well his arm strength and velocity, etc has much to do with his rehab which in my opinion was rushed to get him on field.
Then Janice needs to find another CEO.
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FireBOB
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Reading that updated SI article is so depressing. Watson is the only thing this miserable franchise has going for it and the level of ineptitude from the owner down is astonishing to behold. Cal McNair simply does not deserve a successful franchise. I wish I wasn't so invested in this team, watching them make one cataclysmic decision after another must be absolutely hilarious to outsiders.
badboy
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Oh I understood. You said Tua was injury prone crap but if he is, then so is Watson due to his injuries history. I'm willing to give Tag 2021 to show he can remain healthy. We took that risk with #4 as he was ours and under contract with us.
Even so, Tua's damaged goods. He doesn't have what it takes for a QB to impact this league. So If a trade has to be made, and Miami has the best offer, then do the deal. Just don't include Tua.
AFAIC doesn’t matter what DeShaun wants. The NFL will change in a way no team owner wants if DeShaun gets his way.
I can see Janice telling Cal to fire Easterby, then replacing Cal as CEO.
somehow I missed this the first time...
I completely agree with you.
What *I* would be doing is building this team around the franchise QB (we know those are hard to find) just starting his 2nd contract. If the Texans/Watson played this right Watson could be come a "brand" like Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees. And by connection, the Texans brand becomes stronger.
but they probably won't see this opportunity because they're still stuck on stupid
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Deshaun Watson “just wants out” of the Texans
Last month, SI.com took a close look at the uncanny rise of Jack Easterby in Houston. Now, SI.com has a new article that sifts through the aftermath of a failed season and the intense dysfunction t…
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
They paid a preacher $3 million/year to create a "culture". That "culture" he created has alienated players, the front office, and fans. With Watson having a foot out the door, and Watt soon to follow, the new "culture" will be completed.
Hope it was worth it, Cal.
badboy
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Yes sir! But no way I see that happened. I do not know if Cal is just a exceeding rich kid that lucked out with his parents or if he is just lazy. I keep thinking about the alleged comment made by H.L. Hunt father of Lamar who was founder of the KC Chiefs: when asked how long could Lamar continue to lose millions of dollars; daddy replied "100 years or so." At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
- The Hunt family's fortune originates with oil wildcatter H.L. Hunt, who inspired the J.R. Ewing character on the long-running TV series "Dallas."
It's hard to argue this any way, since I don't know the dynamic between them. But, it's clear to everyone that this franchise has become a laughingstock since Cal took over. O'Brien's not around anymore to take the blame.
amazing80
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Makes you wonder how much OB was at fault.
I will double down, if Watson is traded, I am done with this garbage franchise.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
F'ing beautiful. Cut the ties. Sundays will be less stressful.
amazing80
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Might as well be a Pakers fan, I live in WI
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
He toed the company line and took their $$$. O'Brien gets no sympathy from me.
amazing80
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Didn't say he did. Just makes you wonder how much decision making over the roster he actually had.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Tua is a backup at best. I don't want him at all.
Two firsts isn't near enough for me to trade Watson, I want at least 3 firsts and multiple 2nd & 3rd round picks on top of those AND the receiving team takes on Mercilus contract.
That's beside the point .... why did he get shipped out ?!
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Are you asking me to justify our franchise decisions? I won't do it. Our team is stupid.
badboy
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per Forbes:
Tua Tagovailoa’s Injury History: How Concerned Should NFL Teams Be?
Former Alabama Crimson Tide quarterback Tua Tagovailoa will assuredly be a first-round pick during the upcoming NFL Draft. The most glaring question most teams have in regard to the Hawaiian quarterback revolves less around his talent and more about his health and durability moving forward.
www.forbes.com
Deshaun Watson per his wiki page:
1. On October 11, 2014, Watson broke a bone in his right hand in a game against the Louisville Cardinals.[12][13] He left in the first quarter and was out for the game. As a result of the injury, he missed the games against Boston College, Syracuse, and Wake Forest.
2. He returned for the game against Georgia Tech only to suffer an LCL strain, missing most of the game. He did not play against Georgia State the following week, came back the following week to play against state rival South Carolina.[15] After defeating the Gamecocks, it was revealed to the public that Watson had played the game with a torn ACL.[16] He underwent surgery on his left knee to repair his ACL the Friday before Clemson's bowl game against Oklahoma.[17]
3. Against Syracuse on November 5, 2016, he had 169 passing yards with two touchdowns, but left the game with an apparent shoulder injury.
4. On November 2, Watson tore his ACL on a non-contact play during practice, prematurely ending his rookie season NFL.
5. In Week 6 against the Buffalo Bills, Watson passed for 177 yards, one touchdown, and two interceptions as the Texans narrowly won 20–13. Playing through broken ribs and a partially collapsed lung, he took a 12-hour bus ride from Houston to Jacksonville because of fears about what the air pressure might do to his chest.[79]
Deshaun Watson - Wikipedia
Your comment had nothing to do with productivity or whom had played longer. I think Tag's most recent injury more significant than Watson's broken ribs + lung but playing with those could have lead to his death..
Both were healthy for 2020 and Watson as I've said repeatedly is the much better player by far.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
per Forbes:Tua Tagovailoa’s Injury History: How Concerned Should NFL Teams Be?
Former Alabama Crimson Tide quarterback Tua Tagovailoa will assuredly be a first-round pick during the upcoming NFL Draft. The most glaring question most teams have in regard to the Hawaiian quarterback revolves less around his talent and more about his health and durability moving forward.
Deshaun Watson per his wiki page:
1. On October 11, 2014, Watson broke a bone in his right hand in a game against the Louisville Cardinals.[12][13] He left in the first quarter and was out for the game. As a result of the injury, he missed the games against Boston College, Syracuse, and Wake Forest.
2. He returned for the game against Georgia Tech only to suffer an LCL strain, missing most of the game. He did not play against Georgia State the following week, came back the following week to play against state rival South Carolina.[15] After defeating the Gamecocks, it was revealed to the public that Watson had played the game with a torn ACL.[16] He underwent surgery on his left knee to repair his ACL the Friday before Clemson's bowl game against Oklahoma.[17]
3. Against Syracuse on November 5, 2016, he had 169 passing yards with two touchdowns, but left the game with an apparent shoulder injury.
4. On November 2, Watson tore his ACL on a non-contact play during practice, prematurely ending his rookie season NFL.
5. In Week 6 against the Buffalo Bills, Watson passed for 177 yards, one touchdown, and two interceptions as the Texans narrowly won 20–13. Playing through broken ribs and a partially collapsed lung, he took a 12-hour bus ride from Houston to Jacksonville because of fears about what the air pressure might do to his chest.[79]
Deshaun Watson - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Your comment had nothing to do with productivity or whom had played longer. I think Tag's most recent injury more significant than Watson's broken ribs + lung but playing with those could have lead to his death..
Both were healthy for 2020 and Watson as I've said repeated is the much better player by far.
You posted all this to make a point. Cool. If you read things they don't align.
Agreed completely.
I want nothing to do with Tua. He's shown no traits that just absolutely pop. Can't expect him to necessarily excel as a rookie, but you'd like to see flashes of extraordinary talent.. and that just hasn't at all happened. And like it's been noted, even some of his teammates have observed the same.
Multiple 1's, more than one 2, something in the later rounds, and (ideally) a younger productive player. And I'm looking squarely at the Jets or Dolphins with eyes on reloading around Zach Wilson.
badboy
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Please! give him a title if not a job with the Robert and Janice Education foundation. Place a CEO/leader whatever you call it over Texans who answers to Janice only. At 84 not sure how much longer she has but four billion USD split four ways among the children should make them all happy. There was much talk by Bob when he purchased the franchise how he wanted to do it for Houston fans; so Mrs. McNair leave control in good hands just not your children's; if you still care for those fans.
badboy
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they do not have to align. You said something that isn't correct. I'm moving on.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
FireBOB
Waterboy
If he goes, then exactly this. However, that no-trade clause means he can pick his team which likely means we'll get pennies on the dollar.
Me: there's no way one man can devastate an NFL franchise like this.
My buddy: you don't know Jack
The no-trade clause could be problematic.
The Texans could also go nuclear and tell him he can either play, they trade him where the value lies, or he can just hang up his cleats.
Do I think they have the stones to do it? Of course not.. but they have that leverage.
texan279
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I'm blown away. He's pissed because his buddy got traded and either he didn't want Caserio here or wasn't part of the process of bringing him here. I'd say it's time for him to put his big boy pants on and get over it. Say he goes to another team next season and they piss him off? He gonna want to be traded again? And again and again and again? Teammates get traded personnel changes are made daily across the NFL. Get over it.
texan279
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And doesn't Andre still work for the Texans? Or am I wrong?
FireBOB
Waterboy
Without that clause I like our chances of a decent haul in an actual auction.
I think we'll play hardball for a while, realize that we have very little leverage and then take whatever we can get from Watson's preferred landing spot. Probably then fire Easterby way too late, just to rub it in to the fan base. In short, the usual worst possible outcome we can expect from this clown-show.
texan279
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I'm not big on Tua, but f it. If Watson is gonna be a constant headache good riddance. I'd probably do it for draft picks alone.
We have the actual leverage - should we choose to use it - on whether or not he ever plays in the league again..