The difference was back then RS/Kubiak/Gibbs were on the same page. Tell me do you think RS/BOB were ever on the same page from day 1 going forward.
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The difference was back then RS/Kubiak/Gibbs were on the same page. Tell me do you think RS/BOB were ever on the same page from day 1 going forward.
Send your resume to Kirby. If a motivation speaker can become EVP, surely a draft expert like yourself should be able to get hired by the personnel department. It would probably take years before they realize you are not using links to support your draft recommendations.
So you think Ricky went rogue and brought in Hoyer and Mallet without being on the same page with BOB? Now who is the one trying to polish a turd?
You’re going to believe what you’re going to believe, regardless how far from reality that may be.
Bottom line, even though BO’b might have wanted Mahomes, he didn’t want to trade up to 12 to get him, much less 10, or 8.
I agree with steelbtexan. If these suckers (whoever they may be) don’t win a Super Bowl in two years, ditch them & start all over, before Tunsil’s contract runs out.
I don’t think BO’b ever read the book.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
For what it's worth.....if the Texans do in fact go with Dorsey as GM, I think him and Harbaugh would be two peas in a pod. I could see them actually getting along and agreeing that every move has to be win moves. This franchise could really use an injection of a win at all cost mentality. I think Ditka had a lot to do with the Harbaugh approaches coaching a team. Ditka never played around....he held everyone accountable. Texans need this mentality in the worst way.
Luckily we don’t have to worry about that. Dorsey’s boss, Mr Easterby won’t ever sign off on Harbaugh.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I'm not sure Harbaugh gets along well with anyone. To a man they ran him out of SF as fast they could. In Kindergarten Harbaugh got an F in Gets along Well With Others.
So Earl i actually agree with you RS drafting of QB's was laughable.
It wouldn't be hard to do better than RS, BOB did.
It's not just me either, although we often disagree, Bah/BB/BL/RT etc... could've done a better job than RS/BOB did. hat I want to know is what constraints did the McNair's put these guys under.
I think that after BOB didn't get the QB he wanted in the draft RS gave him the cheaper versions of guys that knew the offense BOB wanted to run. (Fitz/Hoyerable/Mullett.) You dont have to believe me, just look at the QB's he drafted when Kubiak was here and like I said I have it on good authority that Kubiak wanted him to draft a QB after Schaub got hurt.
Just remember this the dysfunction started after RS stabbed Kubiak in the back the McNair's hired BOB without RS input and RS spent the rest of his time with the Texans trying to sabotage BOB. This isn't absolving BOB for what went wrong after RS left Kirby.
That pic that's out there sure didn't look like a man that was making the final calls in that draft.
I could be wrong and what I've learned about pepoles facial reactions over the yrs may be totally wrong. So far in my business this hasn't been proven to be true. (Thank God)
Oil/Water
RS had his feelings hurt because the McNair's didn't take his input on the hiring of BOB and RS did everything he could to keep power. Ultimately RS passing on QB's cost RS his job.
Decim8
Veteran
Bob did better than RS? Lol
I didn't say this
In fact I said if they hired Dorsey he would be the best GM since the teams inception.
Decim8
Veteran
Yes you missed something, I may not have been clear.
What I should have said was it wouldn't be hard for the new GM to clear the low bar set by RS/BOB.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
That doesn't make any sense, he sold the farm to get Osweiler and yes the blunder of Oz was a bust but Texans still got down in the mud with the reigning champions to take Denver's QB of the future away from them and then he drafted Watson who may or may not have been the best QB in that draft, thats a completely different argument, but he was at worst a very close second. If you had said he didn't want the same thing in a QB as BoB that I would agree with you on but given OB's track record on hand picking QBs I can't say that a bad thing.
I would agree he didn't protect the QB properly by building a line first and then drafting a QB but lots of teams focus on just getting a star QB and then worry about protecting them. Or if you are the little ponies you draft a sure fire star QB and then watch for years as he does a great impression of a tackling dummy then wonder why he walks out on you at the start of a season. Ah good memories.
Bob McNair forced RS to get a QB, RS chose Os. That really should tell you why he never drafted a QB until he drafted DW4. (Drafting Yates/Brink dont count LOL)
RS finally after 12 yrs made an attempt to find a QB and because he failed to put the guys in place to protect DW4 it cost him his job. (The irony) What you described happening with Luck was/is happening with DW4. BOB tried to rectify this situation by spending high draft picks and trading the farm to better protect DW4. Where BOB failed is he kept Devlin on and the new young OL regressed under Devlin's tutelage. Hopefully the new regime can find a Gibbs type OL coach to help the young guys reach their potential. In fact if I was hiring a new HC the 1st question I would ask any potential HC is who are you absolutely sure you can get to join your staff as YOUR OL coach? If he answered with a Gibbs type guy then that would be my hire for HC. The OL coach is the most important HC on a team. IMHO
If Cal was to hire say Pete Carmicheal from the Saints, I would ask him if he could get Marrone to come with him to Kirby since they have a prior relationship with the Saints.
Texian
Hall of Fame
IMO I think it was RS tunnel vision on Osweiler and forcing the situation with almost no input from BO'b that was the beginning of RS undoing. Osweiler was a huge failure. The cost and the way the Brock was dismissed was a major FUBAR and the reason RS was sent packing.
Bill O'Brien said he picked Osweiler & he convinced Rick.
It is also true that after actually meeting him, Bill O'Brien couldn't stand Osweiler.
It is also true that after actually meeting him, Bill O'Brien couldn't stand Osweiler.
Texian
Hall of Fame
My understanding is O'Brien was on his way out the door to attend a pro day when they insisted he watch a game tape of BO before departing and after watching he reluctantly gave a thumbs up because McNair and Smith wanted the guy badly. I agree that the decision on BO was made without any sit down and a one on one meeting.
There's an article, printed at the time we signed Osweiler. O'Brien is quoted saying Rick gave him a bunch of tape & info on guys in the draft & that would be available in FA. He went through it all & settled on Oz. He then called Rick in & they went over the Oz stuff together & presented to McNair that Oz was their guy.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Something went wrong along the way b/c in another interview O'Brien was asked about Osweiler and his response was, "I coach the guys I am given" or something along those lines. Maybe something happened after OB got to know OS and before that interview. That would make both sides of aisle correct in their views. Unfortunately, I think OS was a little outspoken in regards to the way OB called the offense.....my guess, several Texans QB's felt the same way but just didn't get in OB's face about it.
Yes, that's what happened. Remember, we had no access to Osweiler since he was technically under contract with the Broncos.
This was what the whole signing him to a big contract without speaking to him talk was about.
After he got here, BO'b couldn't stand him.
OB just agreed that OS was the best available FA QB... don't read any more into than that. Key word is available
amazing80
Hall of Fame
LOL you post that trash article full of guesses as proof? To say OB and Smith didn't communicate about OS is ridiculous. He was the best option in a poor class of options and they were rushed because of the market and situation. It didn't work out. They cut their loss and moved on
Exactly! That was a CYA article. For every article you find that states O'Brien didn't want OS, you can find just as many saying he wanted him.
Here are some direct quotes from O'Brien:
“We felt like he was a guy that everything that he brought to the table from his command at the line of scrimmage to his skill set as a passer," O'Brien said at the NFL owners meetings, per Deepi Sidhu of the team's official website. "For a big guy—I’m sure you guys know his history, he played basketball—he’s a very, very good athlete. We think he’s a great fit for our offense.”
O'Brien said he vetted Osweiler through those who knew and coached him previously, per Sidhu:
"I know there’s a lot of people that have coached him throughout the years that I’ve personally known so I’m sure he spoke to those guys. We spoke to those guys. That was one thing that stood out to me about him was everyone we spoke to, that was either a coach or teammate, couldn’t say enough good things a about this guy. That he was a good leader, a hard worker, a guy that really cared about his teammates, everything we’re looking for in a quarterback. So now, he’s just got to come in here and do it."
Bill O'Brien Comments on How Brock Osweiler Fits with Texans | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights
I just hope there's accountability
The GM gets the players, the coaches coach the players type of accountability. Fact is the onlyQB's selected during the 12 yrs of RS tenure were Schaub (Kubiak's choice and RS wouldn't draft a QB when Kubiak wanted him to after Schaub's foot injury, plus to make it worse he extended Schaub after that injury against Kubiak's wishes) T.J. Yates/Alex Brink (Yuck) and DW4. You can add in the Os debacle and regardless of whether BOB was involved or not in the decision (I dont think he was but it really doesn't matter) RS made the final call. RS either didn't value the QB position or wasn't good at his job.
For this alone after 12 yrs he deserved to be fired. Not to mention his track record in rds 2-4 of the draft and FA.
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Fact is Rick got the players Kubiak needed to field a top 10 offense multiple seasons. Fact is Rick got the players Wade needed to field a top 10 defense multiple years. Fact is Rick got the players Romeo needed to field a top 10 defense multiple times.
This is not to say I believe Rick was good at his job. But the only people who couldn’t field a top 10 offense/defense during Rick’s tenure are Frank Bush, & Bill O’Brien.
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Exactly! In their boardroom environment, Smith was not some dictator and poor BOB was a dumbfounded Elmer Fudd getting bullied by Smith that "Wascally Wabbit". Hell, supposedly BOB and Osweiler had to be separated from fighting. Does anyone think Smith would have given up draft picks to get rid of OS after one year if BOB wanted to give OS more than one year? Smith didn't trade OS just to trade OS. He did it for BOB. Does that sounds like a GM forcing players on the HC?
After seeing how OL talent has regress under BOB. How he kept forcing Lamar Miller and the current RBs to be power backs. How can any GM draft to meet BOB's needs when he doesn't even know what he needs or the identity of the team he coaches?
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Texian
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I guess I'm not. To be honest the first time all of this O'Brien love for Osweiler is when you brought it up on this thread. My interpretation of the links provided is after the fact and O'Brien doing his best political correctness to appease McNair and tow the line. He liked his job and wanted to keep it. My recollection of Osweiler before he was signed, O'Brien was not that involved and McNair and Smith were.
That's an agenda driven take.
Not necessarily your agenda. But for some reason that's what people want us to believe.
But like Earl34 said, if Rick had a habit of forcing players on BO'b, we wouldn't have traded draft picks to unload Osweiler. BO'b would have had to be an adult & coach him another year.
You forgot the 3 years of Richard Smith and the year of Mike Vrabel along with the year(s) of Troy Calhoun, Mike Sherman, Rick Dennison, George Godsey and Tim Kelly
Texian
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My take was from what I remember reading during this fiasco. The bottom line on this for me is it was not really a Rick Smith or a Bill O'Brien issue but rather a Bob McNair issue. At this time the Texans had been through a rather embarrassing number and carousel of a QB FUBARS since Matt Schaub lost his ability to hit the broad side of a barn. McNair was adamant and insistent he was going to fix his QB problem once and for all and Osweiler was the QB who was going to do it. RS was all in, BOB was lukewarm and didn't start his Political Correctness dance until after the deal was done.
"Two peas in a pod" ? I dunno 'bout that because we are talkin two alpha types here, right ?
See somebody has got to be the boss, have the final word. Isn't that arrangement usually challenging for one of the alpha types ?
I think Dorsey and Harbaugh would be two cats in a bag.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
With two cats in a bag it's not always the big one that wins. I don't see the Texans operating in a very sane fashion because they haven't yet done it. I still don't know why everyone thinks this time will be different. There's always the blind squirrel and his nut theory, that could always happen I suppose.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Safer than trying to catch lightning in a bottle.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I don't know about that. I think standing in the middle of a lighting storm with a bottle has better survival odds than being a blind squirrel. Especially where I live with all the stray cats.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You’re preaching the gospel here brother. When it was all said and done, it should be very clear that O’Brien was in over his head. He didn’t know what he wanted to do. If you want a power running game, how about targeting the type of line you need for that as well the type of backs. He also was trying to drive home this EP system and game to game planning. The system he employed takes years to learn and it took him 5 years to finally field a line for multiple years. That changing out 2-3 linemen ever was not going to help his ideal out at all. Then to top things off, it was very difficult for each linemen to learn their main positions but having to play other positions on that line was a bit much IMO. Point in case every year those guys would always mess up on their assignments out there.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Anybody heard that Dungy was asked about Cal’s committee and answered “what committee? They asked me what I thought about their situation and that was it” or words to that effect. Some guy called Mike Fisher (no clue what status he has as a journo) made this claim on SI website as well as saying the Texans are tied to Korn Ferry who will only hire people who are friends of Wolf/Polian/Casserly, meaning the search will always be too narrow.
Texian
Hall of Fame
It's true, I believe Dungy was on Dan Patrick show and confirmed he was not on any committee. He said he did take an informal call from Cal asking him about his opinions and advice.