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Will Fuller suspended 6 games

We got people damn near accusing Deshaun of taking PEDs because he hasn't been injured yet? like what in f*ck?
We got other people blaming Deshaun for why WFV wasn't traded rather than the TEAM didn't like the return they would get. Also would like to add why would you as QB want one of your favorite targets to be traded anyway? What logical sense does that make?

Man yall have to stop being weird about Deshaun there was once a line and yall legitimately crossed that line some miles back south. Like, do yall honestly sit here and read the stuff y'all type and think it's ok? To what end does the random Deshaun bashing stop? stuff he has nothing to do with yall somehow manage to bring him into it and want to argue over it like what in the world?
 
SnakeEyes said:
If you don't think so I'm sorry. But right now we have 2 players who we could cut/trade and it would not be that much issue. Neither of them are not able to be replaced even with no pick till the 3rd. Meanwhile, you add in the starting QB and star DE. You now have what looks like a drug den of a locker room, a staff that has been allowing it. Because someone knew it was a banned substance seeing unless it is banned. Would give a list of any medicine you are taking to the team doctor. It's a simple trickle down effect. And suddenly the whole team looks dirty, misguided (that's the issue now) and unable to follow rules.

Again, name a HC or GM that would want to even bother trying to fix it.
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You're acting like teams have never gotten busted and broken down before. Guess what all those teams manage to find HC and GMs because, again, there are only 32 of each of these jobs and second chances, particularly for GMs, are rare. Every team that has fired their HC and GM is a dumpster fire and every newly hired GM and HC knows they are being brought in to put out that fire.
 
maverick512000 said:
Thats hindsight and if we are going to use hindsight then no team ever has really gotten it right. Would I have liked them to trade Fuller even at the time, yes because we need the picks and cap space but isn't the thing we hammered Cal for is letting OB trade Hopkins for nothing? So while I would have traded at the same time if say GB was just offering a 6th then yeah I would have kept him and taken my chances with the comp pick. I'm not going to beat up the Texans for not knowing Fuller was taking banned meds and I'm not going to beat up Watson in particular for it. Far as i know Texans are limited by the CBA in how much and often they can drug test, correct me if I'm wrong, so they like every other team has to roll the dice.
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This isn't about WFV, this is about clearing the most cap space possible. So the rebuild will be quicker. Rumor has it that they offered a 4th. A 4th plus cap space is a win-win. I've grown to expect these types of screwups from the Texans org.

All for a few meaningless wins, this is one of the things that I'm talking about when I say the Texans need to change their philosophy if they want to build a winner. Sometimes you have to take a step back to take 2 steps forward. Something that the marketing machine that is the Houston Texans unfortunately will never do.
 
Jadmakaveli said:
We got people damn near accusing Deshaun of taking PEDs because he hasn't been injured yet? like what in f*ck?
We got other people blaming Deshaun for why WFV wasn't traded rather than the TEAM didn't like the return they would get. Also would like to add why would you as QB want one of your favorite targets to be traded anyway? What logical sense does that make?

Man yall have to stop being weird about Deshaun there was once a line and yall legitimately crossed that line some miles back south. Like, do yall honestly sit here and read the stuff y'all type and think it's ok? To what end does the random Deshaun bashing stop? stuff he has nothing to do with yall somehow manage to bring him into it and want to argue over it like what in the world?
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These are the kinds of things that will be said when players are on the search committee. It goes with the territory.

Read my post above for my answer about trading WFV. It's the smart thing to do. If you want WFV back you could always re-sign him in FA after the season. This was before the PEDs.

I wouldn't expect you to understand this since you only think about DW4 and what's good for him instead of what's good for the team 3 years from now.
 
maverick512000 said:
Great info CnD, so in your opinion was the doctor just ignorant or did Fuller doctor shop till he found one that gave him what he wanted? Also how long would they have stayed in his system? The quick google search I did said 1 month for an injection and 14 days for a pill so would this have likely been something Fuller has been taking all year or did he just have the bad luck of taking 1 does and then getting popped? Last question but Tex and I were discussing if this could have been like a gel a nurse used pre therapy and Fuller might not even have been aware what they were doing. Would you say thats possible or would, in most cases, a doctor or nurse tell a person what a gel/rub is?

Sorry for all the questions but you, and maybe Otisbean, are the only ones I would trust to answer these with any real authority.
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It is difficult to answer these questions with total exactness, so I'll try to summarize.

Anabolic steroid injections can be typically detectable anywhere from 1 to 3 months following the injection depending on the type of steroid and dosage given..........and how many cumulative doses have been given............and which test is administered. Some can be detectable as far out as 1 year from the last exposure.

Testosterone oral products can usually be detectable between only 10 hours and 11 days............as opposed to testosterone injections that can usually be detected up to 1 month, but in some cases up to 60 days. The gel form is usually detectable for 3 to 4 weeks. A nurse would not apply the type of gels in question without a doctor's order.

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This is from my FDA files:

How Long Do Steroids Stay In Your System?

So you need to take a steroid test? For many jobs, pre-screening for drug use is a pre-requisite for employment. While many standard blood or urine panels only aim to detect common illegal street drugs, more complex tests do detect anabolic steroids. Likewise, if you are a muscular person, and your boss chooses to have you tested specifically for steroids, the panel will pick up anabolic agents. Let’s take a look at just how long it takes for steroids to leave the system, and not show up on tests.

More than one year

Deca-Durabolin, Norandren, Dynabolan, Anabolicum, Turanabol Depot, Durabolin, Anabolin, Fenobolin, and Turinabol all remain in the system for 12 to 18 months. If you take any of these compounds, be aware that you will likely be unable to pass a steroid test for 12 to 18 months. Since it’s very often hard to predict what field we’ll be in over a year from now, these substances should be avoided.

5–12 months

D-Bol, Dianabol, Equipoise, Equigan, Ganabol, Finaject, Finjet, and Finaplix are compounds, which can show up on drug screenings up to a year after they are taken. Some will wash out of the system within 5 months, but they may remain for up to one year.

2–4 months

Testosterone Cypionate, Primoteston Depot, Sten,Injectable steroids, Sostenon, Durateston, Anadrol, Anapolin, Hemogenin, Stenox, Halotesten, and Winstrol are drugs, which can show up on a blood or urine screen within one to four months of use. These are acceptable for off-season use by many athletes who are not tested during this period, as they are often out of the system by the time the season starts.

2 to 6 weeks

Nilevar, Parabolan, Dianabol (oral), D-Bol (oral), Primobolan Depot, Anavar, Winstrol/Stanozolol (oral), and testosterone Propionate are compounds, which work fast and move through the system very quickly. Just as their half-life is short, the positive anabolic effects upon their body are done quickly as well.

Less than one week

Clenbuterol and Testosterone Undecanoate (Andriol) clear the system in one day or less. These compounds are ideal to use up to the week before a tested bodybuilding or powerlifting show. Additionally, Testosterone Suspension clears the system in three days.
 
leebigeztx said:
I wanted Robbie Anderson last year for 10m. I like Fuller, and he could be the next Fred Taylor in terms of injuries or Jimmy Smith. I think guys like Corey Davis, a big body type of guy helps more when you have a guy like Cooks. I wish they would gamble on Martavuas Bryant, but I know better
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Agreed

Davis would be a smart fairly cheap FA signing. That's why he will never be a Texan.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It is difficult to answer these questions with total exactness, so I'll try to summarize.

Anabolic steroid injections can be typically detectable anywhere from 1 to 3 months following the injection depending on the type of steroid and dosage given..........and how many cumulative doses have been given............and which test is administered. Some can be detectable as far out as 1 year from the last exposure.

Testosterone oral products can usually be detectable between only 10 hours and 11 days............as opposed to testosterone injections that can usually be detected up to 1 month, but in some cases up to 60 days. The gel form is usually detectable for 3 to 4 weeks. A nurse would not apply the type of gels in question without a doctor's order.

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This is from my FDA files:

How Long Do Steroids Stay In Your System?

So you need to take a steroid test? For many jobs, pre-screening for drug use is a pre-requisite for employment. While many standard blood or urine panels only aim to detect common illegal street drugs, more complex tests do detect anabolic steroids. Likewise, if you are a muscular person, and your boss chooses to have you tested specifically for steroids, the panel will pick up anabolic agents. Let’s take a look at just how long it takes for steroids to leave the system, and not show up on tests.

More than one year

Deca-Durabolin, Norandren, Dynabolan, Anabolicum, Turanabol Depot, Durabolin, Anabolin, Fenobolin, and Turinabol all remain in the system for 12 to 18 months. If you take any of these compounds, be aware that you will likely be unable to pass a steroid test for 12 to 18 months. Since it’s very often hard to predict what field we’ll be in over a year from now, these substances should be avoided.

5–12 months

D-Bol, Dianabol, Equipoise, Equigan, Ganabol, Finaject, Finjet, and Finaplix are compounds, which can show up on drug screenings up to a year after they are taken. Some will wash out of the system within 5 months, but they may remain for up to one year.

2–4 months

Testosterone Cypionate, Primoteston Depot, Sten,Injectable steroids, Sostenon, Durateston, Anadrol, Anapolin, Hemogenin, Stenox, Halotesten, and Winstrol are drugs, which can show up on a blood or urine screen within one to four months of use. These are acceptable for off-season use by many athletes who are not tested during this period, as they are often out of the system by the time the season starts.

2 to 6 weeks

Nilevar, Parabolan, Dianabol (oral), D-Bol (oral), Primobolan Depot, Anavar, Winstrol/Stanozolol (oral), and testosterone Propionate are compounds, which work fast and move through the system very quickly. Just as their half-life is short, the positive anabolic effects upon their body are done quickly as well.

Less than one week

Clenbuterol and Testosterone Undecanoate (Andriol) clear the system in one day or less. These compounds are ideal to use up to the week before a tested bodybuilding or powerlifting show. Additionally, Testosterone Suspension clears the system in three days.
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Yes but test suspension is harder to detect than typical test (both injections and oral). Clen is a very tricky substance as it can aid in muscle mass but also has and is often used to cut body fat while maintaining or gaining just a small amount of size. It is common for bodybuilders to use it going into a show. Seeing it aids them keeping size while allowing them to drop body fat. It is on of the main 2 substances along with Tren that females tend to use. As they seek a less notable mass gain, yet enjoy the fat burning and increase in performance.

As a football player if properly informed, you would likely use test suspension. As you noted it has a fairly short shelf life inside the body. However, Tren and Clen both would be a good 2nd choice...minus the fact both damage the liver very fast even in lower doseages. Not being a doctor, but being trained in what each do it is hard to pinpoint what either Fuller or Roby took. However, likely the same thing and if I had to guess I would say they both got it from the same source.
 
maverick512000 said:
You're acting like teams have never gotten busted and broken down before. Guess what all those teams manage to find HC and GMs because, again, there are only 32 of each of these jobs and second chances, particularly for GMs, are rare. Every team that has fired their HC and GM is a dumpster fire and every newly hired GM and HC knows they are being brought in to put out that fire.
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No I'm acting like a fairly unattractive situation would be worse if more or higher profile players also were involved. That's it nothing more. That is the issue with 1 of 2 things.
1- Text vs verbal. Verbal you can easily understand what a person means. Text, the grammer can make something out of nothing.
2- General misinterpretation of what is said and implied.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It is difficult to answer these questions with total exactness, so I'll try to summarize.

Anabolic steroid injections can be typically detectable anywhere from 1 to 3 months following the injection depending on the type of steroid and dosage given..........and how many cumulative doses have been given............and which test is administered. Some can be detectable as far out as 1 year from the last exposure.

Testosterone oral products can usually be detectable between only 10 hours and 11 days............as opposed to testosterone injections that can usually be detected up to 1 month, but in some cases up to 60 days. The gel form is usually detectable for 3 to 4 weeks. A nurse would not apply the type of gels in question without a doctor's order.

*************************

This is from my FDA files:

How Long Do Steroids Stay In Your System?

So you need to take a steroid test? For many jobs, pre-screening for drug use is a pre-requisite for employment. While many standard blood or urine panels only aim to detect common illegal street drugs, more complex tests do detect anabolic steroids. Likewise, if you are a muscular person, and your boss chooses to have you tested specifically for steroids, the panel will pick up anabolic agents. Let’s take a look at just how long it takes for steroids to leave the system, and not show up on tests.

More than one year

Deca-Durabolin, Norandren, Dynabolan, Anabolicum, Turanabol Depot, Durabolin, Anabolin, Fenobolin, and Turinabol all remain in the system for 12 to 18 months. If you take any of these compounds, be aware that you will likely be unable to pass a steroid test for 12 to 18 months. Since it’s very often hard to predict what field we’ll be in over a year from now, these substances should be avoided.

5–12 months

D-Bol, Dianabol, Equipoise, Equigan, Ganabol, Finaject, Finjet, and Finaplix are compounds, which can show up on drug screenings up to a year after they are taken. Some will wash out of the system within 5 months, but they may remain for up to one year.

2–4 months

Testosterone Cypionate, Primoteston Depot, Sten,Injectable steroids, Sostenon, Durateston, Anadrol, Anapolin, Hemogenin, Stenox, Halotesten, and Winstrol are drugs, which can show up on a blood or urine screen within one to four months of use. These are acceptable for off-season use by many athletes who are not tested during this period, as they are often out of the system by the time the season starts.

2 to 6 weeks

Nilevar, Parabolan, Dianabol (oral), D-Bol (oral), Primobolan Depot, Anavar, Winstrol/Stanozolol (oral), and testosterone Propionate are compounds, which work fast and move through the system very quickly. Just as their half-life is short, the positive anabolic effects upon their body are done quickly as well.

Less than one week

Clenbuterol and Testosterone Undecanoate (Andriol) clear the system in one day or less. These compounds are ideal to use up to the week before a tested bodybuilding or powerlifting show. Additionally, Testosterone Suspension clears the system in three days.
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Great knowledge for all of us.

Should be required reading.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Of course, the worst, the Grade III hamstring ruptures (which are typically the only grade that requires surgery), are usually the hamstring tendons tearing away from the bone.
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Foster had a soft tissue issue, I don't remember the exact name. That became a bone on bone issue later. His hamstrings started in college and then from overcompensating for that injury, he injured his groin. Best way to explain to anyone who is not familiar.

Everything has to work in unison. In Fosters case after injury to his hamstring he tried to push it and it caused an imbalance. Which affected the groin area and other areas not mentioned. Such as hip flexor.
 
leebigeztx said:
I wouldn't. I would bring Stills back at a great price, develop Keke and accent Akins. With the college game and all the passing, you can get wrs. I've been trying to replace Fuller with Stills, Metcalf, and McLaurin for the past couple of years. Not only that, there are always discount dudes in free agency.
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Well, it’s time to see what Cooks can do.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Foster had a soft tissue issue, I don't remember the exact name. That became a bone on bone issue later. His hamstrings started in college and then from overcompensating for that injury, he injured his groin. Best way to explain to anyone who is not familiar.

Everything has to work in unison. In Fosters case after injury to his hamstring he tried to push it and it caused an imbalance. Which affected the groin area and other areas not mentioned. Such as hip flexor.
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At the time of the Foster era, I posted extensively on his injuries and mechanisms that led to the bone on bone situation. His hamstrings were a long term issue as you pointed out from his college days. In fact during his high school days as a linebacker, he also suffered his share of soft tissue injuries. Then he had at least 6 hamstring tears while with the Texans. It was his adductor longus muscle tendon that ripped off the pubic bone. The strength imbalance of his thigh muscles (caused by the injuries and the inadequate or "over adequate" unequal strength rehab of his opposing muscle groups) was what created a great deal of knee instability and knee stress.............to the extent that he suffered significant meniscus tears with articular cartilage damage in both knees that he and the Texans medical staff opted for "quick fix" earlier return to play (just like Clowney)...............opting for removal/trim of the torn menisci which exposed the bone instead of their repair..............and in his case repair was a viable option.............and hence the bone on bone, which only worsened with additional issues/injury to his hamstrings and adductors and Achilles................all which funneled a hastened end to his football career.
 
Jadmakaveli said:
We got people damn near accusing Deshaun of taking PEDs because he hasn't been injured yet? like what in f*ck?
We got other people blaming Deshaun for why WFV wasn't traded rather than the TEAM didn't like the return they would get. Also would like to add why would you as QB want one of your favorite targets to be traded anyway? What logical sense does that make?

Man yall have to stop being weird about Deshaun there was once a line and yall legitimately crossed that line some miles back south. Like, do yall honestly sit here and read the stuff y'all type and think it's ok? To what end does the random Deshaun bashing stop? stuff with stuff he has nothing to do with yall somehow manage to bring him into it and want to argue over it like what in the world?
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Can you put names to the people and all the yall please?
 
Jadmakaveli said:
They know who they are. I don't even feel they deserve to be mentioned.
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Names of people accusing...

More like the person posting who misreading the post thinks Watson is accused. When in reality people posting the situation would be worse if high profile players are involved. And who is the player who most feel is the highest profile player... Watson.

Some just don't understand grammer and examples (unless you specifically list it as one) and start freaking out about it. And saying you are blaming him, accusing, or something else. Because, they feel he walks on water.
 
So mods would it be possible to temporarily allow people to just name names because I'm getting very confused with the "posters" and "people" and all the other ways we are trying to dance around the rules. At this point it might be better to just let people call others out so that no one is confused as to who is being talked about. No joking I think it might be causing a few more problems because person X thinks that person Y was talking about them when they really were talking about person Z.
 
maverick512000 said:
So mods would it be possible to temporarily allow people to just name names because I'm getting very confused with the "posters" and "people" and all the other ways we are trying to dance around the rules. At this point it might be better to just let people call others out so that no one is confused as to who is being talked about. No joking I think it might be causing a few more problems because person X thinks that person Y was talking about them when they really were talking about person Z.
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I’m not back reading but I assume it’s about steel lol. It always involves him
 
maverick512000 said:
So mods would it be possible to temporarily allow people to just name names because I'm getting very confused with the "posters" and "people" and all the other ways we are trying to dance around the rules. At this point it might be better to just let people call others out so that no one is confused as to who is being talked about. No joking I think it might be causing a few more problems because person X thinks that person Y was talking about them when they really were talking about person Z.
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I think you just have a guilty conscience. What did you do?
 
maverick512000 said:
That is a pretty safe assumption to make.



Thats really clever actually, props for that.
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Would it not be easier to read and take a post for what it says?

If someone says the sky is blue. That's what they posted. They didn't post the sky is green or want you to assume it is.

Same here. If someone says Watson is/isn't wearing #4 that is what they said. They didn't say anything about his ability, lack of ability, IQ or anything else. They said he wears #4.

The number of people/posters who have to argue, not debate like proper adults also is nearly ALWAYS the ones who have to name call, disagree with no facts and things like this.

I can safely say Watson has a weak arm according to the numbers he posted at the combine. You can Google it, but you can not argue with that. It is a fact. Like it or not. Could it be stronger now, sure. I assume that he has gotten some more strength. However, it still will not change the fact that at the combine using radar and other technology the ball he throws did not have a high speed on it due to arm strength (lack of).

Proof that can not be argued about. Compared to the other QBs that were invited to the combine. He is the tied for the 3rd lowest. And yes 1mph/number is a very big difference.

Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)

Quarterback Ball Velocity at NFL Combine 2008-2023

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SnakeEyes said:
Would it not be easier to read and take a post for what it says?

If someone says the sky is blue. That's what they posted. They didn't post the sky is green or want you to assume it is.

Same here. If someone says Watson is/isn't wearing #4 that is what they said. They didn't say anything about his ability, lack of ability, IQ or anything else. They said he wears #4.

The number of people/posters who have to argue, not debate like proper adults also is nearly ALWAYS the ones who have to name call, disagree with no facts and things like this.

I can safely say Watson has a weak arm according to the numbers he posted at the combine. You can Google it, but you can not argue with that. It is a fact. Like it or not. Could it be stronger now, sure. I assume that he has gotten some more strength. However, it still will not change the fact that at the combine using radar and other technology the ball he throws did not have a high speed on it due to arm strength (lack of).

Proof that can not be argued about. Compared to the other QBs that were invited to the combine. He is the tied for the 3rd lowest. And yes 1mph/number is a very big difference.

Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)

Quarterback Ball Velocity at NFL Combine 2008-2023

The most respected source for NFL Draft info among NFL Fans, Media, and Scouts, plus accurate, up to date NFL Depth Charts, Practice Squads and Rosters.
www.ourlads.com www.ourlads.com
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I don't get your point. If it could be stronger now, what is the point of arguing what it was at the combine or in the past? I bet you weigh more today than you did in high school. What is the point of you telling me about your high school weight?

In other words, at what point does a fact today makes a fact from four years ago irrelevant? Do you continue arguing the fact from 4 years ago? Why was Ryan Leaf consider a better QB prospect than Peyton Manning? Arm strength. After watching Manning and Leaf's career, would you really want to argue about his arm being weaker than Leaf's?
 
SnakeEyes said:
Would it not be easier to read and take a post for what it says?

If someone says the sky is blue.
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It’s like you jumped into the middle of a debate & didn’t read either argument.

In Maverick’s argument he is referring to idiots saying, “Now ya’ll saying Watson has a weak arm.”

When one poster said Watson has a weak arm & 13 posters said otherwise.

Maverick thinks maybe the idiot misunderstood his post, if he thinks more than one (ya’ll) believes Watson has a weak arm.
 
Earl34 said:
I don't get your point. If it could be stronger now, what is the point of arguing what it was at the combine or in the past? I bet you weigh more today than you did in high school. What is the point of you telling me about your high school weight?

In other words, at what point does a fact today makes a fact from four years ago irrelevant? Do you continue arguing the fact from 4 years ago? Why was Ryan Leaf consider a better QB prospect than Peyton Manning? Arm strength. After watching Manning and Leaf's career, would you really want to argue about his arm being weaker than Leaf's?
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Bro that’s the most asinine stuff I’ve read so far on this forum. Some people are so full of themselves that they actually believe the crap they post on here. You know their stuff is slated, when they bring up stuff like “ debate like proper adults “. Dude is trying to force feed his opinion and pose it as facts. Even that evaluation stuff he posted is opinionated. That crap has been proving wrong since Watson rookie season. If he would’ve actually watched Watson play at Clemson, he would have known he actually has a strong arm. It’s not stronger than Pat’s but it legitimately strong for a NFL quarterback.


But let’s let the 1000% accurate crew have it. He’s always right. You can’t debate like proper adults when you think you’re always right. Lol
 
Texansballer74 said:
Bro that’s the most asinine stuff I’ve read so far on this forum. Some people are so full of themselves that they actually believe the crap they post on here. You know their stuff is slated, when they bring up stuff like “ debate like proper adults “. Dude is trying to force feed his opinion and pose it as facts. Even that evaluation stuff he posted is opinionated. That crap has been proving wrong since Watson rookie season. If he would’ve actually watched Watson play at Clemson, he would have known he actually has a strong arm. It’s not stronger than Pat’s but it legitimately strong for a NFL quarterback.
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Your post is proof of my point.

People will post things even with fact right in front of them. And then they don't debate the subject. They get butt hurt instead. A true stat of arm strength is not able to be argued... yet somehow you are. Compared to Cam or Rogers he has a weak arm. That is what the stats show.

Next you will say that he has just as good of an arm. Debating is not refusing to see something. You decide it is something that is true or not and then you make a remark on the topic. Not bash people who have a different opinion on the matter. That's just immature.

And you have indeed attacked Steel mainly for not agreeing with you. Which can be seen in your post/s, yet he said nothing about you.
 
What substance did he pop for? Roby popped for the same compound and both their stories vary. I don't believe either one of them. Safe to say they either gambled or messed up their protocols. I assumed WFV would be on some form of peptides for his hamstring problems. TB500 and BPC157 would have been the smarter play since the NFL doesn't test for them.


SnakeEyes said:
Yes but test suspension is harder to detect than typical test (both injections and oral). Clen is a very tricky substance as it can aid in muscle mass but also has and is often used to cut body fat while maintaining or gaining just a small amount of size. It is common for bodybuilders to use it going into a show. Seeing it aids them keeping size while allowing them to drop body fat. It is on of the main 2 substances along with Tren that females tend to use. As they seek a less notable mass gain, yet enjoy the fat burning and increase in performance.

As a football player if properly informed, you would likely use test suspension. As you noted it has a fairly short shelf life inside the body. However, Tren and Clen both would be a good 2nd choice...minus the fact both damage the liver very fast even in lower doseages. Not being a doctor, but being trained in what each do it is hard to pinpoint what either Fuller or Roby took. However, likely the same thing and if I had to guess I would say they both got it from the same source.
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Trenbolone is in your system 6-12 months, you'd be foolish to take it as an NFL player. Women don't touch the stuff either, they dabble in a bit of test and sometimes primobolan, a rather weak steroid, along with low levels of anavar, clen, or winstrol. Clen doesn't do much of anything to promote muscle gain, it's basically 40+ hour half life ephedrine. Guys take it to cut as it's a heavy thermogenic.

They both knew what they were doing. Most guys in the game are using, they were simply unlucky enough to get caught. I don't blame them one bit but it does affect their availability. I'm simply curious to know what compound.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Would it not be easier to read and take a post for what it says?

If someone says the sky is blue. That's what they posted. They didn't post the sky is green or want you to assume it is.

Same here. If someone says Watson is/isn't wearing #4 that is what they said. They didn't say anything about his ability, lack of ability, IQ or anything else. They said he wears #4.

The number of people/posters who have to argue, not debate like proper adults also is nearly ALWAYS the ones who have to name call, disagree with no facts and things like this.

I can safely say Watson has a weak arm according to the numbers he posted at the combine. You can Google it, but you can not argue with that. It is a fact. Like it or not. Could it be stronger now, sure. I assume that he has gotten some more strength. However, it still will not change the fact that at the combine using radar and other technology the ball he throws did not have a high speed on it due to arm strength (lack of).

Proof that can not be argued about. Compared to the other QBs that were invited to the combine. He is the tied for the 3rd lowest. And yes 1mph/number is a very big difference.

Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)

Quarterback Ball Velocity at NFL Combine 2008-2023

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I have no idea why you quoted me on this.
 
thunderkyss said:
It’s like you jumped into the middle of a debate & didn’t read either argument.

In Maverick’s argument he is referring to idiots saying, “Now ya’ll saying Watson has a weak arm.”

When one poster said Watson has a weak arm & 13 posters said otherwise.

Maverick thinks maybe the idiot misunderstood his post, if he thinks more than one (ya’ll) believes Watson has a weak arm.
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Wait when did I say Watson has a weak arm? I mean I may have but I don't remember it. I miss the old RS vs OB days. Back then we all agreed both sucked it was just who sucked more. Such simpler times.
 
Double Barrel said:
Fine, go to the outside doctor(s) for second, third, or infinite number of opinions.

But, as soon as any doctor hands you a little bottle or prescription, you've got several options as a pro athlete.

NFL has a toll free line for this specific subject.

The NFLPA also has specific procedures to help players 24/7/365 for verifying any meds or supplements.

Every player has an agent.

Every player has access to medical personnel on the team staff.

And there's always critical thinking for researching it yourself using the internet and a variety of resources and publications.

Blaming the doctor is like blaming Ford because I got a speeding ticket. It's a weasel-move cop out.

Dude should just be a freakin' man and own his decisions instead of acting like an entitled child that appears incapable of accepting basic accountability for his responsibilities as a professional.
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well..if it is a Ford Mustang....

I do agree with your points.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Compared to Cam or Rogers he has a weak arm. That is what the stats show.
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That’s not what the stat shows. That is what the presenter of the “stat” would like you to believe.

It would be like measuring knee separation while they test vertical jump & claiming player x has a stronger core than player z.

Nothing about the test is standardized to isolate the arm.

I don’t know if Watson’s arm is as strong as Cams & I don’t care.

We had this discussion back when Watson was drafted. So please forgive some of us if we don’t go through all that crap again & go straight to the conclusion. Your “fact” is bunk.
 
Earl34 said:
Out of curiosity, can anyone recall an athlete failing a drug test due to a doctor "prescribing" something on the ban substance list and the doctor coming forward and saying it was his mistake or vouching for the athlete's innocence?
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How come the "trusted medical professional" was not named by Fuller? He should be blasting that person as well as reading a scripted Pablum apology that read just like Roby's.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Your post is proof of my point.

People will post things even with fact right in front of them. And then they don't debate the subject. They get butt hurt instead. A true stat of arm strength is not able to be argued... yet somehow you are. Compared to Cam or Rogers he has a weak arm. That is what the stats show.

Next you will say that he has just as good of an arm. Debating is not refusing to see something. You decide it is something that is true or not and then you make a remark on the topic. Not bash people who have a different opinion on the matter. That's just immature.

And you have indeed attacked Steel mainly for not agreeing with you. Which can be seen in your post/s, yet he said nothing about you.
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You’re 1000% accurate here again.
 
Mr teX said:
Never know really. For all we know WFV was recommended to this guy by someone he knew that has worked with him and came out better for it. WFV goes to the doc and says, “I’ve been having problems with my hammy for the last few years & traditional therapies haven’t been working”...in response the doc tells him with great precision what the problem is and sells him on some new type of therapy that he’s pioneered or specializes in....WFV let’s him know about the NFL’s banned substance policy and the doc’s like:

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So....WFV’s got the word of whomever recommended him to this doc, & the doc’s word and at that point, he either decides to trusts the dude or not. & given how he was performing and likely feeling, he had no real reason to believe that his decision to trust dude wasn’t the right one. Just a tough break for a guy having a career year.
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Does anyone know where Conrad Murray is? Michael Jackson said that Murray is good for a prescription or 20.
 
maverick512000 said:
You're acting like teams have never gotten busted and broken down before. Guess what all those teams manage to find HC and GMs because, again, there are only 32 of each of these jobs and second chances, particularly for GMs, are rare. Every team that has fired their HC and GM is a dumpster fire and every newly hired GM and HC knows they are being brought in to put out that fire.
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Yeah!! Uh, so why are there no reports of all these coaches and potential GMs causing traffic jams on Kirby?
 
NastyNate said:
They both knew what they were doing. Most guys in the game are using, they were simply unlucky enough to get caught. I don't blame them one bit but it does affect their availability. I'm simply curious to know what compound.
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I like knowing the transmission in my Corolla was tested through the rigors of Lemans.

I don’t understand why sports medicine can’t lead to safe use of anabolic steroids.
 
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