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leebigeztx said:
Tell me where a play design that states, don't block TJ Watt

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Howard looks like he shot off the line of scrimmage as if he was an eligible receiver.....does OB have anything this creative in his green spiral notebook? On a side note, did you guys see his instant separation as he ran his route? Watson should’ve fired the ball off the back of his helmet for good measure.
 
thunderkyss said:
See, I was thinking on the drive at the end of the half, when Watson hit Akins for the big gain... if that were Kelce, that would have been a TD.

Same thing when you were saying Waston should have thrown the ball to Akins or Johnson in the flat on 3rd & 15... yeah, if that were Kelce or Damian Wilson that's just as likely to pick up that first down as Watson throwing it across his body into double coverage. But we don't have playmakers like Kelce or whoever.

When we take the field, it looks like it's so small. So hard to get away from the defense. When KC takes the field, it looks so huge. Impossible to cover the whole field.

Right now, the only playmaker we have on the team, is Watson.
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Honestly I think Akins is their best playmaker - A star in the making. He runs very good routes , has solid hands , always seems to get separation - seam routes , crossing routes , out of the slot , doesn't matter and he's a beast to bring down. The more tape I watch of him , the more impressed I am.
He would be the focal point of this passing attack if I were designing / calling the plays.

Watson just needs to trust the guy to make a play and let it fly.
 
Corrosion said:
Honestly I think Akins is their best playmaker - A star in the making. He runs very good routes , has solid hands , always seems to get separation - seam routes , crossing routes , out of the slot , doesn't matter and he's a beast to bring down. The more tape I watch of him , the more impressed I am.
He would be the focal point of this passing attack if I were designing / calling the plays.

Watson just needs to trust the guy to make a play and let it fly.
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Just don't ask him to block
 
Corrosion said:
Honestly I think Akins is their best playmaker - A star in the making. He runs very good routes , has solid hands , always seems to get separation - seam routes , crossing routes , out of the slot , doesn't matter and he's a beast to bring down. The more tape I watch of him , the more impressed I am.
He would be the focal point of this passing attack if I were designing / calling the plays.

Watson just needs to trust the guy to make a play and let it fly.
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My big problem with Akins is he's a horrendous blocker. He's even a bad blocker for a wide receiver.
 
Earl34 said:
Playing devil's advocate. If Watson throws the ball away or throws a pass short of the sticks and the Texans punt. If the Steelers still score, did the short pass or punt cause a momentum swing?

Don't get me wrong the INT could have been avoided, but I have a hard time blaming an INT on the opponent's 20 yard line that was the equivalent of a punt swinging momentum in such a fashion that on their next drive, a 11 yard sack and false start had them at 3rd and 26.
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76Texan said:
Totally disagree.
It was like a punt.
The game is still in the balance. The Texans still led by one point.
The Steelers had to go a long way to score (79 yards).
If the D hold them to a FG, the task of coming back to win the game would have been better.
Momentum killer is how they got to 3rd and 15.
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Mr teX said:
You hear announcers speak to this when a team who has been struggling on offense early in a game is just happy to get 3 pts on the board even though they're still losing by a TD or more...Same concept here...IOW, Sometimes its just a confidence thing to stop the bleeding.

So to answer your question No a punt in that situation does not have the same effect for a few reasons. A TO gives the defense confidence/energy..the energy that they caused you to do something you weren't trying to do....& that energy spills over to the offense who now gets an unexpected possession. A punt has all sort of ramifications & things that can happen within it. Say we punt it & Angerer pins them deep inside their own 10...that 10 yards could be the difference between them kicking a FG or not getting into FG range....or he throws it short we pick up 5-7 yards, Fairbarn knocks in a big 55 yarder to extend the lead...Both of those are positive confidence plays for our team, that the other respective units can feed off of & use the energy from. Of course it can go the opposite way too but you get my point. It's abstract i know, but how many times have we seen a TO have a snowball effect on a team? Just last week, Keke's fumble...snowball effect on us b/c we never recovered from that although it appeared we were starting to get it going a little bit. Schaub's int in 2012 against the Pats in the playoffs..we had been playing decently until that particular play & it was pretty much over for us from then on.

Throwing it short of the sticks in that situation likely doesn't get you a 1st down, but it could possibly lead to points..you simply can't take that off the table for your team when you're struggling on offense.
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TBH, I don't understand why somebody has to be wrong here. I have no qualms with what Watson did. It was 3rd & 15, outside of FG range, and the INT was like a punt basically. At the same time, I understand the conservative approach would have been to dump it off and maybe the receiver can make a play. Either decision, you're sort of hoping for a minor miracle.
 
dream_team said:
TBH, I don't understand why somebody has to be wrong here. I have no qualms with what Watson did. It was 3rd & 15, outside of FG range, and the INT was like a punt basically. At the same time, I understand the conservative approach would have been to dump it off and maybe the receiver can make a play. Either decision, you're sort of hoping for a minor miracle.
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Clint Stoerner went into great detail about why what you’re saying is wrong. It’s fine for your personal way in which you would like for your qb to play. But it’s not from a winning football standpoint.

no biggie.
 
Mr teX said:
Clint Stoerner went into great detail about why what you’re saying is wrong. It’s fine for your personal way in which you would like for your qb to play. But it’s not from a winning football standpoint.

no biggie.
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Oh, I had stated from the very beginning that I preferred a dump off, too.

But only with the RB and the TE working in sync so they can either block for one another or to create more space for each other.

I was merely pointing out the fact that after the first chance to the RB was gone (even before Watson looked to go deep), that option was no longer available.

And that O'Brien play design was poor at best.
 
dream_team said:
TBH, I don't understand why somebody has to be wrong here. I have no qualms with what Watson did. It was 3rd & 15, outside of FG range, and the INT was like a punt basically. At the same time, I understand the conservative approach would have been to dump it off and maybe the receiver can make a play. Either decision, you're sort of hoping for a minor miracle.
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They were on the fringes of FG range .... Where the ball was spotted it would have been a ~62 yard attempt. Yeah , a minor miracle from that spot but getting 5 or 8 yards and give your kicker a realistic chance is certainly a better option than a turnover or a sack and there's always the possibility they break a tackle and pick up the 1st. Even if they come up short of the sticks it gives you the opportunity to go for it on 4th down.

The had all but conceded those underneath routes at least 5 yards , potentially more considering the coverage.

A turnover or a sack in that spot just erases all potential positive outcomes ....
 
leebigeztx said:
I mean, the Chiefs had 50 sacks, should've beat the Patriots and they fire the DC. They didn't promote the d-line coach. They brought in a veteran, superbowl winning dc. The Texans promote a guy coaching off a poor defense.
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To be fair, they were criticizing that defense after three weeks last year.
 
Corrosion said:
Honestly I think Akins is their best playmaker - A star in the making. He runs very good routes , has solid hands , always seems to get separation - seam routes , crossing routes , out of the slot , doesn't matter and he's a beast to bring down. The more tape I watch of him , the more impressed I am.
He would be the focal point of this passing attack if I were designing / calling the plays.

Watson just needs to trust the guy to make a play and let it fly.
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Said that last week
 
76Texan said:
Yeah, but he did miss a big play downfield. DUH.
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He showed up to the game in uniform. Is that positive enough? He also kindly gave Pittsburgh the ball in the second half killing all momentum we had. 2 guys open underneath. Nope, throw to the guy that is triple teamed. -"Forget sustained drives and adding to the lead, I wanna see big plays. "-texansballer
You know what dude, your right. Jesus in cleats played a perfect game.
 
Earl34 said:
For those who are interested, here is a video with Quincy Avery talking about eyes, progressions, option routes on a couple of plays in the Ravens' game. Skip to the 18:00 minute mark

https://twitter.com/x/status/1309115758971154432
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Ok , I listened to that part 18minutes in and on ..... That just gave a basic description of option routes which is really a simple concept.
It didn't tell me anything about his read process - where his eyes are and the progression from one to another.

I really wish he had a year to sit behind a good veteran QB and learn the position ....
 
santo said:
The momentum killer was when the Texans decided to start running the ball when it wasn't effective. Watson shouldn't have thrown that ball, but it seems like he didn't want to lose. If they lose against the Vikings, I can see the team not trying hard anymore.
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Do you think DW4 has got the ability to check out of plays after 4 years in the system then I can tell you BOB/DW4 will never work
 
CWTexansFan said:
He showed up to the game in uniform. Is that positive enough? He also kindly gave Pittsburgh the ball in the second half killing all momentum we had. 2 guys open underneath. Nope, throw to the guy that is triple teamed. -"Forget sustained drives and adding to the lead, I wanna see big plays. "-texansballer
You know what dude, your right. Jesus in cleats played a perfect game.
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How do you propose they sustain a drive on 3rd and 15 by throwing a 5 yard pass to an underneath guy? If you’re going to have the opinions you do, at least make ******* sense.

And funny you bring up Jesus in cleats when you’re the one expecting a miracle be made on a 5 yard dump off.
 
thunderkyss said:
The only thing that has regressed, imo, is his propensity to run. & it's not DCs keeping him in the pocket. He's just running a lot less than he used to. Maybe because of the ACL... Maybe because he wants to be a pocket passer. & without making plays with his feet, he's not good enough, yet, to consitently win from the pocket, especially when he doesn't trust his OL.
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what is this pocket you speak of?
 
thunderkyss said:
When we take the field, it looks like it's so small. So hard to get away from the defense. When KC takes the field, it looks so huge. Impossible to cover the whole field.

Right now, the only playmaker we have on the team, is Watson.
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The Chiefs have 4 playmakers (not even counting Mahomes).

And their 5th guy (who not too many know about) caught 6 TD passes last year, and he started just 5 games.

Hopkins had 7, and the rest of the receiving corp took in another 7.
 
Speedy said:
How do you propose they sustain a drive on 3rd and 15 by throwing a 5 yard pass to an underneath guy? If you’re going to have the opinions you do, at least make ******* sense.

And funny you bring up Jesus in cleats when you’re the one expecting a miracle be made on a 5 yard dump off.
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Taking that 5 yard dump off isn't expecting a miracle - its making the best of a bad situation.
You know the odds of sustaining that drive are against you and a sack or turnover are still the two worst outcomes. Any options you may have had on the following down are Nil at that point.

The best thing that can happen is you get the first.
The next best is you get so close that going for it on 4th down is a reasonable option
The next best thing is improving your FG position by X yards
An Incompletion still leaves you with options - go for it , kick a long FG or punt.
A sack removes any thought of a FG but still leaves you the option to punt
A turnover is worst case scenario - Your defense is immediately on the field.

They were conceding those routes , they probably pick up 5-7 more yards after the catch -still 3 yards short of the sticks but definitely in FG range and maybe they get close enough to go for it on 4th down.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Andy Reid has never had a limit on his creativity. To add to that I bet the Chiefs have the fastest group of playmakers at WR in the NFL. Mahomes could lob the ball almost to any point and they could run it down. Not taking anything from Mahomes as he is extremely talented.
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Corrosion said:
Taking that 5 yard dump off isn't expecting a miracle - its making the best of a bad situation.
You know the odds of sustaining that drive are against you and a sack or turnover are still the two worst outcomes. Any options you may have had on the following down are Nil at that point.

The best thing that can happen is you get the first.
The next best is you get so close that going for it on 4th down is a reasonable option
The next best thing is improving your FG position by X yards
An Incompletion still leaves you with options - go for it , kick a long FG or punt.
A sack removes any thought of a FG but still leaves you the option to punt
A turnover is worst case scenario - Your defense is immediately on the field.

They were conceding those routes , they probably pick up 5-7 more yards after the catch -still 3 yards short of the sticks but definitely in FG range and maybe they get close enough to go for it on 4th down.
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All I can say at this point is wow
 
Corrosion said:
Taking that 5 yard dump off isn't expecting a miracle - its making the best of a bad situation.
You know the odds of sustaining that drive are against you and a sack or turnover are still the two worst outcomes. Any options you may have had on the following down are Nil at that point.

The best thing that can happen is you get the first.
The next best is you get so close that going for it on 4th down is a reasonable option
The next best thing is improving your FG position by X yards
An Incompletion still leaves you with options - go for it , kick a long FG or punt.
A sack removes any thought of a FG but still leaves you the option to punt
A turnover is worst case scenario - Your defense is immediately on the field.

They were conceding those routes , they probably pick up 5-7 more yards after the catch -still 3 yards short of the sticks but definitely in FG range and maybe they get close enough to go for it on 4th down.
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Dialing up 3 deep routes and 2 very shallow crossing routes that hinder one another development is CONCEDING 99.99% of poisitive outcome.
 
76Texan said:
Dialing up 3 deep routes and 2 very shallow crossing routes that hinder one another development is CONCEDING 99.99% of poisitive outcome.
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Its funny that you are arguing over this play and trying to deflect blame onto the playcaller / designer when not one , not two but three guys came open including the deep route up the nearside seam.

Both of the under routes were wide open .... but somehow they hinder one another ?!

Someone here needs a drink ....
 
Texansballer74 said:
You still haven’t broke down any of his positive plays. Why, what exactly is your point?
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Well .... that's pretty simple - we're talking about what's wrong with this offense / team / QB play because that's what has to be fixed / made better for this team to compete for Lombardi trophy's.

Talking about what's right don't fix what's broke.
 
Corrosion said:
Its funny that you are arguing over this play and trying to deflect blame onto the playcaller / designer when not one , not two but three guys came open including the deep route up the nearside seam.

Both of the under routes were wide open .... but somehow they hinder one another ?!

Someone here needs a drink ....
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We really need to sit down and watch the All 22 view.

2 crossing routes always hinder one another around the mesh point.
 
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Corrosion said:
Well .... that's pretty simple - we're talking about what's wrong with this offense / team / QB play because that's what has to be fixed / made better for this team to compete for Lombardi trophy's.

Talking about what's right don't fix what's broke.
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The problem with the offense is the scheme and offensive line. Why aren’t you breaking down what each linemen are doing wrong, what the running backs and receivers are doing wrong?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Yes he has the smarts to check out of plays. Man stop trying to paint this type of narrative. Bill O’Brien never wants his quarterbacks audible out of his plays.
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I never questioned his smarts (Rabbit hole avoided) I asked if he was given the ability to audible out of plays and if he hasn't been given this ability after 4 yrs that speaks volumes about the BOB/DW4 relationship and this will never work.
 
steelbtexan said:
I never questioned his smarts (Rabbit hole avoided) I asked if he was given the ability to audible out of plays and if he hasn't been given this ability after 4 yrs that speaks volumes about the BOB/DW4 relationship and this will never work.
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Running the RPO itself is a form of audible.
 
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