badboy
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What happened to our top three WRs supposedly better than most teams best three DBs? Throw in Fells and we should be rocks rolla! Maybe that starts against Steelers...
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Texans Defense is terrible. Absolutely terrible!
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badboy
Hall of Fame
if we've got a receiver at the 50 with the DB on the inside I would hope some of that speed we heard about creates separation. With sub 4.49 guys DW should be passing deep every play with one of our three open. Maybe throw in a slant by a TE or draw to one of the Johnsons occasionally.
I'm pretty sure the argument was basically if we're looking at Savage, Oz, Fitz & Hoyer... save your money & play Keenum. At least that's the way I saw it.
I'm seeing Baker Mayfield & Pat Mahomes commercials all the time. Why ain't the Texans marketing machine getting in on some of that action?
I haven't seen any Watson commercials other than a couple of HEB ones early
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Watching the Chiefs running plays vs the Texans defense on the All-22 is laughable but its not necessarily due to missing a capable space eater. Our cap guzzling LBs missed some tackles even when they were clean or simply jumbled into each other on a few plays. I also noticed the spacing was huge on some formations that grew to ginormous after the snap especially when JJ takes his usual wide angles. This could get better as they get more live game reps but it's almost a mirror image of the run defense last year which was also putrid.
I didn't see McKinney clean on any play. He was washed out on just about every play
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Mckinney and Cunningham had absolutely horrible games against KC..Cunningham i somewhat undestand b/c he was chasing around Helaire, Kelce or in some instances we had him matched up against Watkins. McKinney? he really had no excuses. there were times where it was just him & Helaire in the hole and he just whiffed b/c he was sitting back waiting for Helaire to come to him instead of attacking and forcing him to declare.
Actually it's 3
Taj Boyd
But that's not the point, what college has run a version of this offense and had a successful QB in the NFL. I cant think of 1. Maybe this guy exists and if he does I would love you to direct me to him so I can learn what he's doing to be successful in the NFL.
I did watch the game and re-watched different plays.
But I am on the road right now I can only tell you a few things:
1. The Bengals are really hurting on the Interior with a guy opting out the year and two or three more (since the beginning of TC) on the shelves.
2. So much so that Reader had to play
56 out of 58 defensive snaps (unheard of to me these days); I'm sure neither him or the coaches wanted him to go all out all the time.
3. That article also mentions that Geno was also out. The interior line is simply a weakness on that D right now.
4. I gave you the highligts for Mayfield and Chubb. You can also watch the overall highlights. And I'm saying that you won't find him as a weakness.
5. As to comments like seeing him on the grass, I'd simply respond with "if your uniform isn't dirty", you're not playing hard enough.
6. I can remember right off the bat two plays he was instrumental or a big key in stopping on the goal line, forcing a turnover on down.
You need guys like that. There are not too many drives per game, if each guy can help force a turnover like that, the D would have hold the opponent to zero point.
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I stand by my post #77 kicked his a**
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
What college coach or team has consistently produced pro qbs?
Boyd was never considered a high probability nfl caliber qb prospect. He was a hopeful based on experience, intangibles, and marginal talent.
What would you consider to be 'this offense'? After the whole EP (not Parcells) offense/WCO convo-debacle I think it important to at least get terms straight first.
The Ravens are really good. Their interior OL is below avg according to Omerta but their DL is much improved and they have 4 stud CB's.
Texansballer74
The Marine
It’s been several times last season I was screaming at the TV,” GET RID OF THE FREAKING BALL DESUAN. This is when he was trying to play hero ball. Then there are too many times in which the pocket collapses on him so fast or one of his linemen gets beat so badly ( case in point at least 4 of the sacks on last Thursday. Then you have hear the media heads over and over again with these terrible hot takes. Now the hate crew on here quickly jumps on that bandwagon and repeats that nonsense. Now we’re bringing up the all 22 like its golden. It’s a good tool but it does not tell the full story. Does Watson miss open receivers, yes. Guess what they all do.
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It's an opponnet gameplan offense. The QB needs to truly understand each weeks opponent and what they need to do each week to attack that opponent. This is why BOB/DW4 are oil/water. BOB's asking DW4 to recognize things on a weekly basis and DW4 will never be able to be truly efficient in this offense.
This is one of the reasons I want BOB gone. Because it's going to be a long 4 yrs as is. Thing is I dont see DW4 improving enough to win a championship even if the Texans fire BOB and hire this mythical HC.
I think he meant what is Clemsons offense?
You can stand, sit, lie down, however you want.
But you ain't prove nothing yet.
What would you like me to do to prove it? I think the Browns rushing for over 200 yds proves it and I only watched the 2nd qtr of Reader getting his a** kicked by #77. It might be true because I didn't watch the 2nd half, maybe Reader kicked a** in the 2nd half and I didn't watch the 2nd half.
Again, this is just your opinion.
What is real is that O'Brien's play design is really unimaginative.
Besides copying some RPO and play off the ZBS concept, and a few other stuffs, it's just "go beat your man" basically.
There's not much of "putting the players" in a position to succeed, only the opposite.
At least show me the plays where he was kicked in the rear.
It's a RPO offense but because the rules are different in the NFL vs College. This doesn't even take into account the difference in QB injury risks in college vs the NFL. If you want your QB to get hurt running the RPO will increase the chances of the QB getting hurt just like DW4 did in his rookie season. I like the RPO offense and ish the Texans would run it since that's the offense DW4's most comfortable in. But if you run that offense you are going to need 2 or 3 QB's that can run that offense if you want to be successful.
Same as your opinion
You never answered me about Reader, how did he look in the 2nd half?
In the 4th he looked like JAG
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Garbage.
Lol.....Part of why the Chiefs and Ravens are so good is b/c it is just that simple...GO BEAT YOUR MAN...& they go out and do it b/c ultimately, that's what it comes down to. You're not gonna trick, playcall and scheme your way to wins in this league dude.....not consistently anyway.
The play credited with turning the tide in the SB for the chiefs wasn't some clever playcall or schemed up play..it was a very simple play that they absolutely lived off in the regular season...probably ran it dozen of times throughout the year...& the 49ers were absolutely ready for it too. But what happened. A great player made a great play against a fierce pass rush to pull it off.....Still.
I did.
If it's so easy for you to see, it's easy enough to point out from the highlights of Mayfield and Chubb.
Why is that?
Garbage.
Go to the Chiefs playoff game thread.
I had several posts pointing out how Reid made it easy for his players.
I've been spending a lot of time noting down and posting plays on the forum the last few days already.
I'm tired from watching too much football; I need a break.
This is obvious.
I'm just wondering why it happens to be now that you chose to take a break. Very curious
Cause I just finished breaking down the first half of the Buffalo game (which I was already working on).
Took me nearly 6 hours.
& there's no method to his plan. Sometimes you'll see an offense run a play to set something up later in the game.
It took 5 years to see a wrinkle in the bubble screen that got us an easy TD.
It took 6 years before wr saw a real screen.
& then when something does work, he stops doing it.
Yes, he did.
OB is not helping his players, I'm telling you.
Sometimes his play design left me scratching my head.
Not like Reid or Kubiak, or any of those coaches that come up with a great blocking plan for a particular pass and/or how the routes are run to put the opponent in a bad spot.
You're so right. LOL.
215 yards... I think the point is DJ Reader is not the game changer some made him out to be.
Yeah, but on top of all the injuries on the line (and you know how playing next to bad players can be), the Bengals were already operating from the bottom.
They were dead last against the run last year.
Their DC was a DB coach who had never been on a succesful defense his entire/short NFL career.
Their fans are in for another long season.
Agree, except...
I can see if the QB counted for 40+ of those yards, or if they ran a bunch of sweeps or reverses or a bunch of trick plays. But Cleveland lined up in the I & mauled Cincinnati.
If you think he played well against Buffalo then I strongly disagree and discussion at this point is fruitlees.
What I will tell you and I was at that game is DW4 didn't see alot of open recievers and no I'm not going to prove it. I was there and saw it with my own eyes.
An individual gameplan offense.
This is one reason this offense is a bad fit for DW4.
There isn't a QB in the league that O'Brien can save.
His scheme is just bad.
Also, you want to remember that the Rams always kept Keenum under their nose.
He did not have TC with them in 2014 and needed time to learn the playbook.
What they did a couple of years later was to give Keenum a first round tender so that Kubiak and the Broncos couldn't poach him off their roster once he finally did have time to learn their offense.
And Keenum did knock Foles (a first round draft pick) from the starting position role.
And yes, the Broncos did give him a good offer to become starting QB for them a couple of years later.
At that time, I came on the Broncos board to remind some of the posters there not to have too high of a hope; that the Broncos are still a few years away.
Also, their spending on the defensive side was 7th in the league, and 28th on offense.
Not only that, they spent their first round pick on that pass rusher and not Quentin Nelson.
(And Boles will still by abysmal at LT).
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Foles was a 1st rd pick?
LMAO
Tell me what does DW4 doo better than Mahomes? Better yet, what does DW4 do as good as Mahomes?
Oklahoma for 1.
Tell me what OB does that is anywhere as good as Andy Reid.
Lining up in the I, the run can still go anywhere, not just through Reader's gap.
Sure, we all know the Bengals overpaid to try to get off of the cellar and they did, temporarily. They improve their run D by one spot (LOL) and their overall D by a few more spots.
The central point is they are better defensively with Reader just as the Texans are worse without him.
Just because there are open receivers, it doesn't mean they are necessarily available to the QB.
As many set of zebras' eyes as there are on the field, the referees still miss a lot of things.
And true, there's no point of discussion when you're not willing to go back and rewatch the plays in contention.
You were looking at the wrong guy.
77 is the RG; it was Covington who lined up on him most often.
He (Covington) #99 has one black arm sleeve/protector.
Reader @98 wore two white arm sleeves and he lined up most often at the nose (over the Center, #64).
Chubb first TD was off of the RT, after the RG started manhandling Covington, the RT came over to help before springing out to the second level.
The RG, LG, and C all put #98 on the ground
I wonder what this MB is going to look like after BOB is fired and DW4 looks the same under a new HC? What will the excuses be then?
Remember when everybody said Carr would be great if he just had a QB coach? They hired Kubiak and after 1 yr Kubiak told the McNair's you cant win with Carr at QB. Poof, Carr was gone. I expect the same thing to happen to DW4 in yr 3 of his contract.