The facts are what they are. He was an average HC before Tom Brady. What the Browns franchise did after his departure really has nothing to do with anything. The Pats franchise was just like the Browns for a long time before Parcells first got there. You are saying we know what Bill could do without Brady and only adding up one season with Cassell in your mind and ignoring the other 5 with the Browns AND the first season with the Patriots where Belicheck went 5-11 before Brady came in there. Cassell also went 10-6 with the Chiefs shortly after that with Todd Haley as HC so we know what Cassell also proved he could do without Belicheck. Speaking of that season how is that you missed the fact that the Patriots went from 16-0 to 11-5?? That's a 5 game drop off in wins from not having Brady and being in the SB which is a lot.
I just laid out the facts of what Belicheck's career was as a HC before Brady got there. The only argument could be said for Tom Brady because Belicheck wasn't ever successful as a HC until he had Tom Brady. His success was only as a DC while he worked under Parcells. Brady has only played under Belicheck and no one else. Until I hear you make this claim for every other HOF QB regarding their coach, then this statement makes no sense especially with Belicheck's coaching record of 41-55 without having Tom Brady as his QB.
Lol, You don't have to see the rain actually falling from the sky to know that it rained.
You laid out the facts as you want to view them....& ok..that's your opinion. But you're still dismissing all the circumstantial evidence that doesn't support your stance. Jimmy Johnson was a successful HC prior to Marino. The fact that he didn't enjoy the same success he did with Aikman in Dallas isn't an indictment on him as a HC..nor Marino as a qb, it just didn't work. Ditto for guys like Pete Carroll who was barely .500 between 2 different stints as a HC & was trash his 1st 3 years in SEA before finally getting it together. In the case you're trying to make it isn't even that clear b/c Brady coming into the league had 0 track record of anything. There's a high probability that those 1st few championships go to Bledsoe............ if he doesn't get hurt early in that season. Just b/c Belichick didn't have a very good record in the NFL as a HC to that point and Brady's record was unblemished b/c he'd done nothing doesn't exactly mean Brady himself was the catalyst for Belichick's success. Correlation doesn't equal causation.
& most guys don't have the privledge of playing under the same HC their whole career...even alot of greats. But, there are a few guys who more than likely owe a substantial amount of credit for how good & successful they were in their careers to the guy roaming the sidelines...& rightfully so. Bart Starr & probably Terry Bradshaw just to name a few. But for some strange reason, its blasphemy to do that with Brady.......even though he was largely a game manager for about the 1st 5-6 years of the Pats dynasty & if you look at his numbers during that time & you remember how those teams won, Belichick's signature is all over them...But you know that..you're just being obtuse.
Dude was/is a great
COACH who was
instrumental in numerous SB
championships and
deep playoff runs for
multiple teams prior to Brady even entering the league. His lack of success with the Browns & the fact that he is still the last HC to win a playoff game for them after 20 years only gives more creedence to how good he likely was.......& it also speaks to how much of a trainwreck that organization really was while he was there...& continues to be since he's been gone.
& yes, it's a small sample size, but what is Brady's sample size without him? non-existent.